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Forum Post: Have you seen the crap spewed by Reuters? I call on the true supporters of OWS and all Occupy movements to read.

Posted 1 year ago on May 2, 2012, 1:54 a.m. EST by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN
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[-] 3 points by alexrai (812) 1 hour ago

Anyone see this crap?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/02/us-usa-occupy-may-idUSBRE8400UV20120502

Pure whorporate propaganda, I guess their masters were not listening to Jimmy Kimmel speak about the free press. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink


Does it piss you off to be described as being so stupid and violent?

Denounce the Dumb asses that planted the fake bomb at the coercion of the FBI. They have nothing in common with me or any of the good people I have met here.

Denounce the black block idiots as well for feeding violence. This is not what I am about, and I believe that most true supporters of the movements against greed corruption corporate and white collar crime feel the same way.

We can not choose who may protest nor how they protest - BUT we can speak out against violence and those who would promote it.

We will not gain the support and unity we seek and need by alienating our friends and neighbors.

Sign onto this post if you agree and feel free to tell the violent that we do not want them. That they will do as they want but please do not claim association with these legal and just movements being forwarded by OWS Occupy 99% or any other peaceful movement against greed corruption and crime.

Let them call themselves whatever they want as long as it has nothing to do with us.

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[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5688) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Signed on.

No Black Block. No violence. Definitely no bombs!

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I dropped reuters from my paper today. I agree they have some faux news action going on.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

it happens

[-] -1 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Reuters changed when they were bought by Thomsons.

Lots of double think headlines now.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is hard to find untainted sources that are not entirely independent, and so then - limited in scope.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

My paper has a pretty good collection. It's been reorganized since moving it to my personal site I replaced reuters with the feed from billmoyers.com

Starting Monday, the publication should be strictly articles that are provocative, accurate, and relevant. The weekend will be those things except I foresee a slow news release over the weekend.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good deal. We need to share the best that can be found. Education is happening and it grows with each individual that adds their own effort.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

sadly, I have found people are not looking for news, education, or even information for the most part. Typically, people are looking for articles that support their view of Occupy, be it negative or positive.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

keep bumping your website

it is useful

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I will not comment on that as you have your right to your perspective.

My mistake - you will not be a positive influence with an attitude like that.

The people who are "HERE" in "support" of the movements against greed corruption and crime are those who are aware and that are making a commitment to fight.

Present your information. Let others make of it what they will. You only defeat your purpose of sharing when you alienate.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I used industry standard techniques of gathering and analyzing data, it's not an opinion. If you were in fact interested in information, you wouldn't have had the knee jerk reaction to what I just said, thus proving my point. The statement I said was not targeted nor was it alienating anyone, it was only information and it is in agreement with recent articles about who watches what mainstream news stations and why. Also, the reinforcing of HERE as in NYC is the command center also detracts from the decentralization agreed on by consensus. Don't complain about slanted information then get shitty with me because I don't slant it in the direction you desire. It's only personal if you make it so, otherwise all I offer is support and information.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

PS, an open mind would use the information to help market relevant news masked with the preferences that would attract readers.

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 1 year ago

ows needs better pr. what happened to those tv ads? was that a hoax? if not that would be a good way to get the ows message across to millions.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TV ads would be brilliant and I do not know what is up with that effort - as I also know that it is likely a very expensive project as well.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

The "establishment" (if you want to call it that) will try to use everything they can find to besmirch OWS (no matter how ridiculous, how attenuated from OWS, etc.) ... this is par for the course (it's just too damn predictable). But put it this way, protesters in the 1960's still succeeded in pressuring Washington to pull out of Vietnam and pass Civil Rights legislation, even though groups like Weather Underground were "in fact" planting bombs, robbing, and even killing (in at least one case).

That unstable people latch onto movements like this is no surprise. I mean, look at all the unstable, paranoid, and completely idiotic shit that exists on the right. So this sort of stuff shouldn't overly concern anyone, it says nothing about OWS, nor is it a reflection of its supporters, and basically, we just need to keep on keeping on (it's as simple as that).

[-] 2 points by farmerwhite (-4) 1 year ago

Pay attention folks, it's easy...anyone who does something bad; bombing, raping, drugs, child abuse, shitting, rioting and all the other bad things are PLANTS! Never p-art of OWS, see how it works?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

My jaw still drops when I see the way this story was "handled" by the MSM! Could there be any greater justification for this movement? All of the varrying mechanisms of society have now been, at least to some degree, corrupted by money.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I agree with Nevada1 - remember radio free Europe(?) we need a radio free USA.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

TRUE! That's really TRUE! What a sobering thought!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Piped in from Canada? New Zealand? Norway?

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Flip a coin, somewhere sane . . . Sweden, Denmark, Djibouti? I don't know?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

From the Hague? Amnesty International? Casey Casum?

[-] -1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Maybe, when you think about it damn near anything would be better than what we got . . . The Congo anyone? I hear they have a great symphony orchestra in Kinshasa.

[-] 1 points by tomdavid55 (93) 1 year ago

Let's protest but without violance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTQ1WOC9RgY

[-] 1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 1 year ago

We should be doing some operations at the local news stations. Their lack of coverage for days like this needs to be called out.

And yes, I agree that the black bloc is hurting us, and I do not approve of them. They are not OWS as far as I'm concerned.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

I video tape everyone equally police or protestor. I get super suspicious when people who use black bloc techniques get really upset if my camera happens to pan across them. It's like they are afraid of something. To be honest there is a large group within OWS who is not happy of the pace we are moving. And they want fast change, more media coverage, etc. but they don't realize the negative results of their actions. And there are others who just don't care.

Do you think it is wrong to turn over footage to the police to prosecute people who are causing damage or instigating mayhem? I ask because I had gotten in a heated arguments with fellow OWS members. One using black bloc attempted to grab my camera and throw it on the ground. He was pissed because I would not turn it off during a protest. I tried to explain I document everything of the protest, police brutality, protestors emotions, etc. but he was pretty heated about it.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

The question is not whether it is wrong or not to report reckless behavior. Of course it is right to report bad behavior. The question is where is that line. Gathering in streets and blocking traffic is a form of instigating mayhem, and I applaud it. Still, there must be a limit to what should be acceptable. If you feel a line has been blurred, I would give pause. If you feel certain a line has been crossed, I would report it.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

Sorry. I was talking more about people causing damage. Like people throwing things or vandalizing things with spray paint. Those are the actions I would feel compelled to share with authorities if I caught them on camera. These protests have no place for people who want to cause mayhem.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Actions like vandalizing property should be reported, IMO.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 1 year ago

"Do you think it is wrong to turn over footage to the police to prosecute people who are causing damage or instigating mayhem? I ask because I had gotten in a heated arguments with fellow OWS members. One using black bloc attempted to grab my camera and throw it on the ground. He was pissed because I would not turn it off during a protest. I tried to explain I document everything of the protest, police brutality, protestors emotions, etc. but he was pretty heated about it."

Absolutely not.

The fact that these people are reacting so negatively to filming is the big tip off that they are not with us. We WANT to document the protest, all of it. Not just to share when the MSM will not, but also as a cover-your-ass measure against propaganda that would hurt us otherwise. Anyone who thinks that filming a protest is hurting the protest does not have the protest's best interests at heart.

I don't know if they're deluded, latching onto a popular movement in order legitimize their actions, or actual agents provocateur. I do know that whenever they arrive, they should be clearly defined as "not one of us" until they change their ways.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

I whole heatedly agree with you. It's sad when mainstream t the majority avoid the OWS movement out of dear. I saw this article about how immigrants in The March for Dignity had purposefully avoided the Occupy Oakland group, by changing their marching route just to avoid them. That is very telling and sad, which means that Occupy movement may be losing their ability unite people go a common cause.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/03/BAVM1OD5D0.DTL

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thank you. Yes - we need to communicate to every one. Clearly with the information of why these movements are happening. Deny them the mask of bewildered incomprehension.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

When you post comments that de-humanize your opposition you foment violence in the minds of already un-stable people.

Is it not possible for you to level criticism without degrading insults? Look at your own past posts. Did you ever write anything that was insulting, degrading, profane, or debasing? Why? To what end?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20506) 1 year ago

The problem with this article is choosing to start it off talking about the violence, which was small in comparison to the entire day of peaceful protesting, as well as the title, focusing on the, actually, pretty small number of arrests. But, from what I see this morning MSM is not on the side of OWS. Gee, I wonder why? MSM is either largely ignoring the story or being very brief about it. I think the establishment is getting a bit worried.

And, re: the violence. When you have a movement as broad as this there is no way to clamp down on every person and the decisions they might make. I've seen some real dolts on t.v. talking as if they are the leader of this movement and it made me cringe to listen to them, they were so far off the mark. Same thing will happen with regard to just about everything because OWS is amorphous, but it's amorphous and leaderless for a reason.

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[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-conservatives-are-either-evil-or-brainwashed/

Here is one of OWS own calling everyone who doesn't agree with OWS stupid AND violent! His entire thread WILL alienate your friends and neighbors, even if they are not conservatives. It isn't just the violent black block idiots who are undermining this movement. It's the hatred and vicious stupidity spewed by people who call themselves the "true supporters of OWS" as well.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is exactly why I try (try) to stick to presenting issues. I personally do not believe in party politics, in party's, or in categorizing leanings.

"I" try to present going forward in unity by supporting causes that support us all. And by confronting issues that confront us all.

That being said - I am not your Mother or your Father, same goes for everyone else who is here. Everyone here has their reasons for being here. If it is in support of the movements against greed corruption and crime (?) then that is a good place to start and the rest can be worked on.

[-] 0 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

Hit a little close to home, did they?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who?

What?

Why?

When?

Where?

How????

[-] 0 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

Until OWS expels the anarchists the MSM are going to continue focusing on them.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And you would have the protesters in the street do this expelling - HOW?

BTW - I think you might be confused as to what you are saying or trying to say.


The term anarchism derives from the ancient Greek ἄναρχος, anarchos, meaning "without rulers",[32][33] from the prefix ἀν- (an-, "without") + ἀρχός (arkhos, "leader", from ἀρχή arkhē, "authority, sovereignty, realm, magistracy")[34] + -ισμός (-ismos, from the suffix -ιζειν, -izein "-izing"). There is some ambiguity with the use of the terms "libertarianism" and "libertarian" in writings about anarchism. Since the 1890s from France,[35] the term "libertarianism" has often been used as a synonym for anarchism[36] and was used almost exclusively in this sense until the 1950s in the United States;[37] its use as a synonym is still common outside the United States.[38] Accordingly, "libertarian socialism" is sometimes used as a synonym for socialist anarchism,[39][40] to distinguish it from "individualist libertarianism" (individualist anarchism). On the other hand, some use "libertarianism" to refer to individualistic free-market philosophy only, referring to free-market anarchism as "libertarian anarchism".

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

How many different ways are they going to contrive to try to split this movement? Damn it's tiresome. I think when I get the energy I'm going to have to make a post on the art of the lie.

These guys have just dug up an informal logic book, and used it in reverse. They use EVERY logical fallacy in the book, literally.

I'm going to have to find a good informal logic book to recommend to our side, so we can learn to recognize the fallacys and refute them, by name if necessary.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I cannot wait to see you teach OWS the rules of logic!! Thank God someone on your side finally sees the problem you guys are having.

Of course, when all the OWS on this site expose the fact that 90% of everything posted here BY THEM and their OWS Overlords is by definition logically fallacious-the site will die. What then?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Tedious in your further use of fallacy. That is your great weapon, tedium.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

That's why so many people find OWS tedious. Your opposition doesn't even need weapons as long as posters like francismjenkins are around. Everything he's said lately undermines the credibility of the movement far more effectively than any "outsider" could.

[-] -3 points by katotohanan (-57) 1 year ago

The Democratic Party must be desperate to pay semiliterate clowns like you to co-opt this forum on their behalf...

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Iron Butt

[-] -3 points by katotohanan (-57) 1 year ago

How much has the Democratic Party paid you to pollute this forum with 7,244 points worth of co-optation propaganda, GypsyClown?

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

This is why the Democratic Party always ends up overspending and running up debt. They insist on paying semi literate clowns to do stuff that regular people would happily do for free.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The litmus test is simple - provide facts - not opinion - facts.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

True. Straight to the point.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Easy peasy. All they have is BS.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Define the difference between a FACT and an OPINION for the masses won't you? It appears that there is no consensus on the qualifying differences between them.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fact - fossil fuel is polluting/poisoning our world.

Opinion - man has no effect on global warming.


[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-35) from New Hope, PA 10 minutes ago

Define the difference between a FACT and an OPINION for the masses won't you? It appears that there is no consensus on the qualifying differences between them. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Please clarify for ALL what makes something a fact and what makes something an opinion. Merely presenting an example of each one does not define the differences between the two.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In case you are mystified.

ex·trap·o·late/ikˈstrapəˌlāt/ Verb:

Extend the application of (a method or conclusion, esp. one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing...: "results extrapolated to other groups"; "it is always dangerous to extrapolate from a sample"

So that would mean take many examples and work on the relationship - opinion or fact.

Practice practice practice.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sorry that you are to dense to extrapolate on the concept. So perhaps you need a refresher on basic examination the testing of truths and determining of opinion.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Extrapolations are estimations or generalizations made by extending known information into unknown areas. Synonyms of the word extrapolate are:guess, theorize, assume, infer, conjecture, surmise.

I may be dense, but the only thing that mystified me was why you don't know that all of those words are antonyms of the words fact, reality, proof, evidence.

Maybe you need a refresher course on what constitutes a fact and what does not.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You are the one searching (?) for the truth. What is an opinion and what is fact. If you can not take an honest formula and work with it - whose problem is that?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

In your OPINION it may be an honest formula, but in MY opinion it isn't an accurate one. If ALL of the 99% are not using the same definition of what constitutes fact and what constitutes opinion-there can never be a consensus on anything.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

A statement of fact expresses only what actually happened, or what could be proven by objective data.

A statement of opinion expresses an attitude toward something – it makes a judgment, view, or conclusion, or gives an opinion that cannot be proven true or false.

[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

So the people that are smashing cars, smashing windows etc...are not anarchists. What are they?

[-] 3 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Football and basketball fans.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Lawd help 'em if they faced real football fans, innit?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

They do more damage than all the occupies combined, but you don't hear them bitch about that, or call for a ban of pro sports.

Talk about hypocrites.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

I hear you. This little crying game they have going is getting old.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

I'd like to see one of them stuck in one of the soccer riots they have in Europe.

People die, over a stupid game.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

They do not play around.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

So you'd like them to die?

[-] 0 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

So you are saying that they are football and basketball fans that have joined OWS. So why are they smashing things?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Don't know, but they often flip cop cars over and light them on fire too.

OWS is pretty mild compared to that, especially considering World peace is a bit more important than whose team won the game,.

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[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

And the anarchist flags and shields some of them brandish? Are those fake?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

What's in a flag?

Why does that make any difference at all?

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[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

Would you say the same thing if the symbols were swastikas? Would those flags make a difference?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Send me one. I'll burn it with pride..........:)

That one has a history.

[-] 0 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

And the anarchist symbol doesn't? And you didn't answer my question? Why?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Sure send me one of those too.

How did you feel about the Boston cops throwing the American flag on the and them tossing them into garbage trucks?

You know, when they raided that camp, and took them from the wounded vets?

[-] 0 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

The violent part of OWS are anarchists. They display anarchist symbols. Why are you denying that? Why do you keep alluding to shit that has nothing to do with the issue at hand?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

I'm not.

You're the one complaining about a stupid flag.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you feel so strongly about them

[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

You say that symbols don't matter. Of course they have meaning. But since you are an anarchist....forget it. You know what I'm fucking talking about. Typical left wing garbage.

[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

Are you serious? Do you really think that any person doen't see through you? And DKA? And Matt? Shooz? In other words all of the main posters. Anarchists, every one of you. OWS is run by anarchists. You assholes finally overplayed your hand.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26733) 1 year ago

Now you think we're playing cards?

You're very strange, and make little sense.

The anarchists keep calling me a liberal.

Ahhh, but what the hell, as long as it keeps you even more confused, it's all good....................:)

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] -1 points by Blank102 (88)

Were you given that name because of the look on your face when asked a question(?) or for your opinion and you have forgotten to bring your talking points manual?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Angry????

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[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 1 year ago

Who are these black block people? Whats their game? Do they really think that petty vandalisim is going to bring about any kind of social change or bring people over to their side? I dont see how anyone with any reasoning abilities at all would think that this is a good strategy. I would guess that many of these black block are plants by the establishment to discredit the left but who knows? Mabey its some sort of cult? Does anybody have any experience with them or see them in action? I know they were active in Oakland today but I was in SF for the protest there with some friends and didn't see anything like that going on. i also heard they were in the mission district last night smashing the store fronts of small buisnesses and attacking the mission police station. I wish these people would stop this nonsense.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

It is a tactic used by a few OWS members to be anonymous. If you have 20 people dressed in black they tend to blend in with each other and it is hard for authorities to discern them apart. Unfortunately black bloc people tend to be up to no good. Originally it was a way for protestors to be anonymous, but it has now morphed to what we see today. It is like people who wear bandanas and masks.

[-] -1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 1 year ago

Who are they? They are the anarchists running this movement. They are the hands directing the violence.

[-] 0 points by BannedAgain (6) 1 year ago

So just how, exactly was the Reuters story crap...other than the content?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Answered your own question.

[-] -1 points by BannedAgain (6) 1 year ago

But I assume the content was factual, so I guess you mean violent, destructive people are the crap here? Hope so. OWS has a good msg and a disgusting enemy, but is definitely getting hurt by the bad boy hangers on

[-] 2 points by ClearTarget (216) 1 year ago

"and a disgusting enemy" Seeing how you are a conservatard, who are you kidding? You and your kind would love to guzzle the cum of 1%ers.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

I say you missed the whole point of that article and vegged on your own pre conceived notions. The thrust of that article was that it was humane and correct for Occupy Cleveland to forgo their protests in a show of solidarity with the community. Considering no one seriously took the Republicans for terrorists after Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot, it is simple minded to hold accountable a whole movement, union, company, or the thousands of other names for groups of people, for the actions of a few. I did not read into the article the same way you did.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (272) 1 year ago

I find your correlation to be offensive. If I was to attend a left extremist function, and then went out and shot up the neighborhood, would the democratic party be labeled as terrorists? I understand what you are trying to say, but it does no good to be so inflammatory with such a false statement.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Fair enough. But I'm just as offended with the inflammatory statements that the person i was communicating with had made in the above response. Though I may had made a false correlation, it was no more false than the one Banned Again made. And he did not even read the article. He skimmed it, lol.

[-] 2 points by engineer4 (272) 1 year ago

Everyone that posts should write in a better tone to promote better discussion and fair exchange of ideas. We all disagree about something. But there is no point in yelling about it. It is better to discuss and learn something (sometimes we actually do change our minds) . Others would rather just win the argument as if it was a contest to get votes.

[-] 0 points by BannedAgain (6) 1 year ago

You are right...I skimmed the op. But I didn't skim your reply. To equate Gabby's brush with death to anything but an act of a disturbed person deserves no further comment other than DID YOU SAY THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE???????

I won 't even give you credit for reinforcing my opinion about libtards, since you are obviously an abberation, or stand up comedian.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

wow, I guess I have to wait until the TV pundits make the correlation before your simple mind will ponder the similarities. I don't know, that crazy, psycho Arizonan seemed like a true believer in the Right's cause. Any who, thanks for cluing me in to how shitty of an investigator you are. You only skimmed it? LOl, You are such a hack. I guess we both get our preconceived notions reinforced. Good day!

[-] 2 points by ClearTarget (216) 1 year ago

I won 't even give you credit for reinforcing my opinion about conservatards, since you are obviously an abberation, or stand up comedian.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thank you JesseHeffran. We must denounce what is wrong. Hence the movements against corruption greed and "crime".

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You know what they say.

Ass-u-me.

[-] -1 points by BannedAgain (6) 1 year ago

Then you approve of the bs violence the black bloc unleashed today? Like out in Oakland where they tried to trash a restraraunt since it didn't close....or the fact those Cleveland asshats THOUGHT they were blowing up a bridge?

[-] -1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Remember, Radio Free Europe? Now we need, Radio Free USA.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No Shit - NO fn Shit. Piped in from Canada? New Zealand? Norway?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Wait a second. Occupy Cleveland did not go through with their plans for May Day totally out of respect.

As far as I am concerned, that is a wrap! Now, I could find news stories all over the net yesterday. Any amount of violence will be blown way out of proportion. You will notice that when there is a discussion and photos of other countries celebrating they were happy and then there were those moody ones in Europe.

From the get go, msm and many extra crispy right wingers have been incomplete denial about everything and are desperate to paint it all as a bunch of crap. It will not change

Black bloc tactics are shit. There are those people that are willing to go to jail and there are those that are NOT. Therefore, it should become obvious to someone at some point that the very people that might back them cannot. It is completely and totally selfish on their part.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

jail cost money

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Yep. Quite possibly it will cost you your job and/or your place of residence.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Under the new laws, protesting sets you up for being arrested. The question now is whether you go for protesting or you go for busting up a business that has nothing to do with the current state of our country.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the BBC was at the Midway today

I felt apprehensive about protesting there

given the the expanded laws to arrest those disrupting government functions

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Well, you know, it seems to me that the question was brought up much earlier than now. Every time that this occurs the question comes up.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I know. But you cannot back away because of that or those will be the only people left with the Occupy banner. Level headed people need to stay level headed and engaged.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thank you so much. A clear and reasoning response. Sanity rules.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Thanks, DKA.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No - Thank you and every really good person who is supporting the movements. I love this forum and I love the common cause to fight corruption greed and crime.

[-] -1 points by nichole (525) 1 year ago

May Day in NYC was a disappointment.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Willfully Blind. Good description. Thanks Nevada1.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi DKA, Thank you for this thread. Media blackout, is a serious injustice. Another control weapon against us.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thanks for your contribution. Yes media-blackout we must combat through social media and independent news sources on the internet. The word is spreading thanks to the efforts of the good people involved in these movements and forums fighting greed corruption and crime.

[-] -2 points by TheMisfit (48) 1 year ago

If the shoe fits...

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You do appear comfortable in your shoe - Square-peg in search of a mallet to fit round hole.

[-] -3 points by chatman (-478) 1 year ago

So the article is not true? who are in the pictures?

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

The backers of ows want the violence.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

You don't speak for the backers of ows!. nor do I. But I am a backer, and I do not want violence. All my friends who are backers do not want violence, After going to many ows events I haven't seen any who want violence, ows has denounced violence at their meetings and have provided non violent training. That is the truth.

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

by backers i mean the people that fund ows.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Whatever you mean you don't speak for them. This IS a non violent movement design to achieve change to benefit you and me.

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

what benefits?

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Obviously the benefit will be a government that represents and works for the people rather than corporations. Don't you see how our country has been stolen from us?

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

Stolen by the EPA, stolen by the DOE, stolen by the democrats.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

The EPA (created by republicans) serves to protect the american people from corporate pollution.Corporations only concern appears to be profit so the people must regulate/watch them or they will kill us. The DOE (tiny part of budget, & supported by many repubs) is critical because we must have an educated population or the rest of the world will kick our ignorant asses. The people who have stolen the country are the same criminals that crashed the world economy. and the politicians who protect them.

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

The EPA make laws by calling them regulations. They are not empowered by the Constitution to do so. Between the DOE and the EPA , they have crippled the production of oil, coal and natural gas in this country.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

remember hive collapse

when all the bee's were dying and no one knew why

turns out it was long tern exposure to a pesticide

france banned it

but the US has not

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

ddt was also banned , and thats too bad , it wiped out the mosquitos that cause malaria.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

These industries are not crippled. I disagree. American energy corps are the most powerful and profitable forces on the planet. The cabinet departments you listed are empowered by the leaders of this great nation! they serve the people. they've stood the test of time. There have been lots of complaints about constitutionality of them. Let them sue. until then lets enjoy the protections and benefits they provide.

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

obama is not a great leader! after the EPA puts the oil, coal and gas companies out of business and not allow nuclear plants to be built,..........what are you going to do for energy? Not solar, not wind ( those dumb windfarms actually warm the earth) and cetainly not as obama said,algae.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

I said empowered by leaders of our "great nation" not great leaders. and I was not referring to PRESIDENT Obama (Who is great) because he didn't create the agencies (President Nixon = EPA, not sure about DOE) you complained about. The president will not put the fossil fuel corps out of business they are too powerful and too important to our economy. no worries there. President Obama is the 1st President to approve new nuclear plant since the 1970's. Did you know that? Alternative energy is critical to the future of all humanity. You too! Get on board we need you.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

we need light cars , we need to control our nations oil

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

What does that mean? Please rephrase.

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

candidiate obama said that energy prices " will necessarily skyrocket". obama said that if you have a coal plant he will put it out of business. forget about solar and wind. they will never get a plane of the ground. obama is the worst thing to ever be president of the USA, great leader? Totally evil person.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

"silly"? vulgarity? name calling and curses means I win right?................ I know everything is petroleum based. I understand that trucks, boats all shipping uses oil. Manufacturing as well. Big oil knows too. That is why they have hiked the price because they only care about their profit. they don't care about America. They ain't even American companies really. They are multi national. The President is not trying to raise oil prices during an election. Thats rediculous. More likely the Koch brothers (OIL Billionaires) want oil up during the election. Don't stand with the people who are hurting American people. Support OWS Vote out oil lovin koch funded republicans.

[-] -3 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

obama energy sec (chu) said that he would like gas prices to be $10 a gallon. He said that we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline. when that statement became known , he then backed away from it.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Big oil is the problem. We drill more than ever. enough already. Production is up! we even exported oil this year. We need to stand with working American families not big Corporate oil. They are not gonna do anything for you but squeeze you every penny out of you then toss you asside. support ows. vote out oil lovin republicans

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

I agree we are drilling more wells than ever, but where did you get the idea the US exported oil?

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

we do NOT drill more than ever. silly you, you actually believe the sh*t that obama is shoveling. everything in your life has to do with the price of oil, even if you dont have a car. how do you think most goods come to market? Trucks.Their costs go up, so do yours.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

We are drilling more (oil & gas). I haven't heard of any coal plant closings. Don't believe the hype! Prices go up because of OPEC, American energy corps, and Wall st speculators (THE 1%) are screwing the American people! They have always been at the center of energy prices. The President is powerless.

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

The only drilling going on is on limited private property. NONE is going on a public land like ANWR, and the gulf coast. the epa is closing coal plants. The president is not powerless, he vetoed the Keystone pipeline.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Thats harsh. He's not evil. Energy prices WILL skyrocket. no one person is responsible for that. If they go up beyond the inevitable supply and demand forces it is because the producers (OPEC) have a cartel, the refiners (American corps) collude on prices, and commodities speculators are unscrupulous manipulators with no regard for the American people. Coal plants create too much pollution and we must keep the air clean so that people can breath. Can you support people breathing.? We need Alternative energy even though they cannot get a plane off the ground. Have no doubt that eventually electric engines will be far more powerful than any internal combustion engine. That tech is 19th century. Get with the times boss.

[+] -5 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

By not allowing the free market to work ( no drilling, closing down coal plants , limiting natural gas) you are driving up the price of energy, on purpose.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Support OWS!! Vote out big oil lovin republicans,!!

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

More insults!. If you have nothing of value to say you shouldn't waste anyones time. Support OWS. Vote out the big oil lovin republicans!

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

take your broken record or perceived "insults" and go home.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Whatever. The President has precious little power over oil prices. OPEC, EXXON, Koch bros, Wall st speculators have always controlled the industry and prices. That is why they have run them up during the election. The want to get the Dems out of office because they are scared of cap n trade, Alt energy, and losing their billions in subsidies. Support OWS, Vote out big oil lovin republicans

[-] -3 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

you're naive, a requsite for being a ows "useful idiot".

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Rockefeller doesn't have control of Exxon Mobil. His family started it 150 yrs ago. They are a planetary force that no one politician, no one country controls. They do what they want, and what they is to gouge the American people. You support them? Support OWS, Vote out big oil lovin republicans!

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

i'm a fan of big oil. the 'gouging" is from the current administration that will not allow drilling in ANWR or of the coasts.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

We have to agree to disagree. I believe the corp forces (OPEC,EXXON,Wall st) have always been in control of energy, not American politicians. You think the opposite I guess. The only politicians who can exert any control on energy are those that agree with the entities I listed. Maybe repubs! (Bush, Cheney) but not Dems. that is a stretch. You sound repub. Yes?

[-] -3 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

not the dems? try jay rockefeller.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Rockefeller is a nobody. You're reaching. Support ows. Vote out republicans.

[-] -3 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

rockefeller,...aka Jonn D. Rockefeller IV,........EXXON.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

I disagree. I know many people who report violence to the police. With all the cell phone footage yesterday more people who committed crimes will get arrested. I plan on looking through my cell phone footage and if I see people throwing objects or damaging stuff, I am going to give the video over to the police. This movement has no room for violent or criminal behavior.

[+] -4 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

the purpose of OWS is civil then violent unrest.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

You do not set the agenda or state the purpose of ows. Imho ows purpose is to achieve some progress on economic fairness. Fairness in taxes, employment, immigration. foreclusure abuse, justice for the middle class, prosecution of the criminals who crashed the world economy.

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

economic fairness is up to the individual regarding employment.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

The individual must contend with inadequate public education, being priced out of college, having American corporations send jobs overseas, Financial corps. enslaving them in excessively high interest rate debt. The government must protect the individual from the greed and excess of our system.

[-] -2 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

corporations send jobs overseas because the us has the highest corporate tax rate. why is a public school education inadequate? . college tuition? harvard has an edowment of double digit billion. there are other collegs with billion $ endowments. why are they getting govt grants?

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Corporations send jobs overseas to maximize profits it is greedy and unamerican. This great nation provides the best environment for business on the planet. taxes, regulations, markets all considered. It is traitorous to send our jobs overseas. If they do they should be penalized. If they don't like it they can leave and have their access to this greatest sales market on earth removed (let them sell to china). Simple. College is criminally expensive we should have free college education (for students) business should pay. They benefit from an educated population. Public education is inadequate as evidenced by the enormous amount of ignorant people comin out. Right? We can't agree on that?

[-] -2 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

The USA has the highest corporate taxes. Corporations are in business to make money, they have stock holders. They are not charities. Take a look at the lack of standards in a public schoool. The lowering of passing grades. Teachers that do not teach. Bad teachers that can't be fired because of the union. NY state is considering doing away with a standardized world history test because its " too hard". It's not hard if you study. I went through the NY school system, years ago. It took time and effort to pass the required tests. When I was in high school , the average class size was between 35- 40 students. If you wanted to pass, you did the work.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Corporations are not charities but they better god damn well serve this country. Send jobs overseas, get penalized. NO BUSINESS IN AMERICA if you don't hire us. I did nyc School as well. so what! what I did or you did is irrelevant. You listed problems with public ed. you must acknowledge the massive numbers if ignorant people comin out. Then we agree pub ed ain't workin' right? Maybe you don't want to agree with me.

[-] -2 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

The ignorant people that are graudated are the fault of the teachers that will not fail a student ,.........it doesn't look good for the teacher. The unions have a hand in this. Passing grades were lowerd to 55% and to pass you only needed to have 40% of your answers correct . Standards are worthless unless you set them high and adhere to them. A company should be able to do business wherever they want to.Boeing went to S.C because of the unions in Seattle.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Fine, you have identified what appears to be real inadequacies in public ed. As I said! But the individual children are the last to be blamed. I am all for corporate freedom to do business where they like...... Unless they don't hire my fellow Americans! Even foreign corps.! make them all hire here or they do not have access to the largest, strongest middle class market on the planet! God Bless America!!!

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 1 year ago

Highest corporate tax rate? Do you want me to link you some of the numerous tax loopholes and exploitation of it?

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

those tax "loopholes" are in the same tax code that obama and his wife seperately used to gift their daughters with tax free money. that is, money that mr and mrs obama did not have to pay taxes on. do you have a mortgage? you're allowed to deduct the interest on that mortgage from your income. nothing illegal about it. The usa has the highest corporate tax rate. if a company avails themselves of the legal deductions in the code they are not expoiting anything.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 1 year ago

"they are not expoiting anything." You cannot be more wrong.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

This completely defeats your "highest corporate tax rate" argument.

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

to escape the high us corporate taxes i see no problem with using the existing tax codes for a business's benefit. it isnt illegal.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 1 year ago

And here you admit your defeat. Your argument of "high taxes" no longer holds water due to exploitation of the tax loopholes.

"i see no problem with using the existing tax codes for a business's benefit." You see no problem with exploiting tax loopholes? How very unpatriotic/unamerican of you. You are no different than the other criminals at Wall Street and should belong behind bars.

"it isnt illegal." Captain obvious. It is called a tax loophole and exploiting it should be illegal.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

This is in response to your assertion that no oil wells are being drilled of Federal land. Of the 4000 permits granted, about 1500 were used (by the oil companies) by the end of fy 2010. http://beyondoil.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/drilling-in-america-february-2011.pdf

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

the wilderness society is against drilling. know your sites agenda before you cite them..

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Here's another little tidbit regarding the amount of drilling going on in the US. It is indeed at an all time high. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

The information comes from the US EIA. Look at the bottom of the page.

[-] 1 points by Incomplete212 (23) 1 year ago

Violent unrest? Are you advocating this? If so all that does is push away mainstream supporters and makes the general public avoid the movement altogether. Occupy Oakland managed to alienate people by their actions. Dignity and Respect marches in Oakland purposefully avoided the Occupy Oakland group and even gave them misinformation to avoid them.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/03/BAVM1OD5D0.DTL

[-] -2 points by cooperbl (-88) 1 year ago

I am not but the backers of ows ( soros and lasn ) are.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Against violence? Sign on and sound off.