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Forum Post: Why conservatives are either evil or brainwashed?

Posted 2 years ago on May 7, 2012, 1:07 p.m. EST by francismjenkins (3713)
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They reject science, they are by definition the defenders of the status quo, throughout history people with liberal or what can be at least loosely defined as anarchist aspirations, have always had to fight against conservatives to win liberty. From our founding fathers, to enlightenment thinkers, civil rights leaders, our great scientists and inventors, our poets, philosophers, great writers, artists, legal scholars, etc., these people have always been the liberals, the radicals, the anarchists, etc.

The right wing has always been the party of authoritarianism, violence, slaughter, racism, tribalism, poverty, illiteracy, division, and suppression. This is what they do, and this is what we're up against.

So let's not be naive about the sort of people we're dealing with. We're dealing with sociopaths and narcissists, and worse, their supporters are completely brainwashed, they generally aren't very bright, yet they're deluded into believing that they're the most brilliant people on earth (by the, I guess you can call it, American mythology propaganda machine).

Conservatives are the religious fanatics, the racists ... like a giant barbarian tribe of crazy people. So I think the best we can do is appeal to liberals and independents, people who are genuinely concerned about finding solutions and better ways of doing things. Conservatives don't even have a good ability to distinguish right from wrong. Their aspirations are drawn according to impulses like tribalism and nationalism, race and religion, not things that can be objectively defined as good, or tangible solutions to real problems concerning human well being (so in a sense, conservativism is like a lower animal trait, the exact opposite of enlightened human critical thinking). In other words, they are the enemies of progress (and they always have been).

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[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I believe most average Americans that support the reactionary-conservative political machine have been well indoctrinated by 1% propagandists. Hence, the importance of beginning a mass educational program directed at workers as quickly as possible. Education enlightens the masses as to their true potential, which is probably one of the major reasons, conservatives target education as a primary budget-cutting move.

Too many workers feel powerless against the array of wealth aligned against them, so simply plod to work on a daily basis and drearily return home only to face another day. To paraphrase Thoreau: Most workers lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.

[-] 2 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

It is a combination of indoctrination and mental deficiency. Conservatives can no longer think for themselves but are now footstools of 1%ers. They even suck on the 1%ers' phallus over the internet as evident in these forums.

[-] 1 points by sampfeifer (20) from Issaquah, WA 2 years ago

thus making it our job to convert them to our side. If you are smart enough to realize the truth of the injustice in our system than you should be smart enough to engage in a mature conversation with conservatives towards the point of convincing them of your opinion. Maybe it will not be this generation that agrees with you but who knows about a few years down the line...

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Oh they can't be converted. Ask any OWS. You can't covert "retards/animals/sociopaths" who cannot "think for themselves". Questions is...what does OWS intend to do with such people once they have taken over the world?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews has encouraged and endorsed much of this attitude.

Blurring lines of good sense and reality wherever it can.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

There's no blurring anything, find me an enlightenment thinker, a freedom fighter of any age, etc., who's been a conservative?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Nope, can't think of one.

Mostly they seem to be the ones that hold back enlightenment.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Ergo, my point. I mean, the things I listed in my OP may not be comfortable facts ... but they are facts (and how can we address problems, if we don't begin by an honest assessment of our country).

[-] 1 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

I am glad that this site, encourages people like you (mentally disabled) to speak out.

I think that is great. Good for you!

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

The republican banner, stupid people of America unite! If you like staring at your sisters ass, you might be a conservative. If dark things make you nervous, you might be a conservative. If you like to play with snakes on Sunday, you might be a conservative. If you need spell check to spell conservative, you're definitely a conservative :)

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[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

More! More! Please continue to show the world how tolerant, intelligent, understanding, and serious this movement is! It's so much better when observers read it in your own words. It adds so much more credibility to you and your cause. Fabulous!

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

conservatives aren't interested in serious discussions about serious things, so every once in a while, it's fun to just gratuitously mock them. Bad of me I know .... but the rumor is, Jesus forgives :)

[-] 3 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

That's right, we don't tolerate ignorance of truth very well, and Your Right! We don't tolerate those who disregard facts very well.

Why? Because we fight them daily right here. Batter UP Betsy.

Let's go....................

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Why I'm glad I could help you feel good about yourself :)

[-] 1 points by sampfeifer (20) from Issaquah, WA 2 years ago

good point teddy99, it is plain stupid to create divisiveness, especially against a group as large as conservatives. The majority of the conservatives are also part of the 99%, just like liberals they are subjected to corporate control of their lives and the political sphere. Conservatives understand justice and peace just like liberals. Every person who hates another group is part of the problem not the solution.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Then they need to stop voting Republican!

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Talk like that will get you voted down here. Maybe even banned.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

You already admitted that you are not even a real person, but just one of multiple usernames. It is you, based on that, that are looking to be banned.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

I'm not real? I'm imaginary? Why are you responding to me then?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

It hasn't gotten your babbling ass banned yet ... so WTF are you whining about? Oh yeah, paranoia is a big conservative thing, probably because those genes are scrambled by generations of inbreeding :)

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

You are a frothing bigot.

[-] 1 points by sampfeifer (20) from Issaquah, WA 2 years ago

r u serious?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Spoken like a "true believer".

In what? Heaven only knows, except it's not the truth.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Posts like this one just help to perpetuate the disproportionate wealth and power that's concentrated in a tiny percentage of the population, by distracting the majority with partisan bickering over red versus blue, like sports fans arguing about which mascot is better. As long as you're focused on your battle against the other half of the 99% you'll never be able to change what Occupy is aimed at changing.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Nonsense, conservatives ARE the problem. It doesn't matter where they fall on the income ladder, they enable the corruptness of the elite, and are therefore complicit.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

The liberal/conservative dichotomy is a distraction from the pressing problem of reducing the disproportionate influence of money over our political system. As long as you're too weak to accept uniting with people who don't necessarily agree with you, the problem of political corruption will continue. You're like somebody who wants to stand outside arguing about whether the New England Patriots are better or whether the Green Bay Packers are better while a hurricane is approaching.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I've said it before, I'll say it one more time.

Vote out any and all politicians that have anything to do with this organization.

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

It's simple and easy and will help.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

WTF are you talking about? There's this thing called objective reality, and in that reality, democrats may have slipped a little bit, but they're far better than the alternative ... conservatives, who make no secret about their support for corruption, war, militarization, authoritarianism, and who could give a shit less about average people.

So yes, I'm not only pissed at those who vote for conservatives, in my view, those among the 99% who vote for these psychopaths, are even worse than the psychopaths themselves, because they're not only complicit in this insanity, they're also traitors !

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Haha, 'objectively, my side is better'. If you can't see the humor in that then there is no hope at all.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Of course I see the humor .... sometimes absurdity makes a point -:)

[-] 1 points by 99forAmerica (3) 2 years ago

Lighten up dude, nobody wants to hear this kind of mean-spirited nonsense.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I'm sick of spineless bullshit ... are you afraid to offend people?

[-] 2 points by 99forAmerica (3) 2 years ago

Offend people? I have no problem with that. Mindless, counterproductive name-calling is not "offending people," it is simply undermining the credibility of the movement.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Hannity is useless as a news source

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Yes, YES!!!! Please show us how offensive you can be! Get in the FACES of the American public! I can't wait to see what happens when you do!!!

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Most of the American public isn't a bunch of right wing, babble fuck, shit-tards :)

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

If the majority of the American public are conservatives-like the SCIENCE and MATH demonstrate that they are-and you equate conservatives with "right wing, babble fuck, shit-tards" then by default that is exactly what you are saying that most of the American public IS.

How can such a critical thinker of such high intelligence not see that?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I don't consider being merely fiscally conservative as equivalent to right wing, babble fuck, shit tard.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

So when YOU howl and moan about conservatives, which "kind" of conservatives are you referring to? The "merely fiscal" kind or another kind?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Theoretically, I don't see a reason why republicans should of necessity be "evil", that is to the extent that they abide by the principles of a "republic" in the sense of Plato's Republic.

Our country is considered a republic in this sense. Also, you had republicans like Abraham Lincoln who wasn't a bad guy. I think both republican and democratic parties are corrupted by money these days, or more specifically by "neo-colonialism".

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Well, in theory no one is obligated to be evil, but modern conservatives ARE evil (it just is what it is). I'm just saying, let's not fool ourselves, let's not think conservatives are interested in anything good, or that they're even intellectually capable of imaging anything good .... because they're not. There's a reason why studies have shown that on average secular liberals have a higher IQ compared to conservatives. The mentally challenged apparently gravitate to conservativism.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

What do you mean by "evil" do you think all conservatives want to destroy or enslave all human life?

[-] -1 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

prey tell, how to you explain yourself ? You are liberal, but stupid as hell.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

That's all you can say ... otherwise you would have to admit that you're an idiot (which, btw, is the objective truth). I mean, conservatives are the party of anti-intellectualism, racism, tribalism, and every "ism" that represents the lowest aspects of human nature.

[-] -1 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

You sound like a demented liberal. Can you tell me where conservatives push the 'ism' that you talk about? Is it written down somewhere? No, its only liberal rubbish.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

here are some WRITTEN DOWN 'ism'

Study: Again, Christian Conservatives Linked To Lower IQ http://truelogic.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/study-again-christian-conservatives-linked-to-lower-iq/

Low IQ behind some conservative beliefs

http://blog.timesunion.com/hottopics/low-iq-behind-some-conservative-beliefs/7498/

University Study Shows People With Lower IQ's Are Political Conservatives

http://createperfection.hubpages.com/hub/University-Study-Shows-People-With-Lower-IQs-Are-Conservatives

Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

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[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I know what you're thinking, don't knock incest and lynching until you try it right? Or maybe, swamp life really isn't so bad .... crocodiles are friendly if you touch them in just the right spot :)

How can such bottom feeders exist in an enlightened democracy? Disgusting.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Over and over and over, it's been shown that the GOP is hard at work in the States limiting right and stomping on State constitution, and promoting State corporatism.

Some just "choose" to ignore it.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

People should realize, conservatives are the enemies of freedom, human liberty, and average people in general. They always have been. Naive idealism isn't believing humans can do better, it's believing conservatives have any interest in participating in the betterment of the human race.

[-] 0 points by cherokeechief (-26) 2 years ago

We are at war with the East, we have always been at war with the East.

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[-] 0 points by totuus (8) 2 years ago

The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future.

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[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Here's some basic science:

The academic/scientific world accepts an IQ of approx 100 as “average/mean” WITH a STANDARD deviation of 15 IQ points. (This means that everyone scoring between 85 and 115 is defined as being of average intelligence) An IQ lower than 70 is classified as mentally retarded and between 70 and 85 is the area of borderline functional ability. (Impaired but not retarded) High IQ-meaning gifted enough to be in the top 2% of the population-is somewhere between 132 and 148 depending on which test is taken and scored.

Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health demonstrated that:

“ Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as "very liberal" have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as "very conservative" have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.”

Any smart, intelligent, critical thinker can see that BOTH averages are within the standard deviation of AVERAGE intelligence. The standard deviation criteria indicates that the AVERAGE intelligence of one group is NOT significantly different from the AVERAGE intelligence of the other group.

I’m posting this because from your posts it appears that you are either A) unable to understand the basic SCIENCE used in studies such as this in the first place, or B) that you are unable or unwilling to represent the basic science used and represent the results of that science in an accurate and unbiased manner.

Even if ALL the people in the US who scored 106 on their IQ tests as children grew up to be liberals and ALL the people in the US who scored 95 on their IQ tests as children grew up to be conservatives- ALL of the people together would collectively be of “average” intelligence. The scientific community would NOT declare Liberals as “highly intelligent” and Conservatives as “impaired or retarded”.

Hodson, the author of the study, freely admitted that the research DOES NOT imply that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. “The research is a study of averages over large groups” he said. “There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals”. (You DO understand how averages are computed and arrived at don't you?)

So the question I have is : Why would Liberals who are trying to convince the world that they have superior intellect, ethics, and higher critical thinking and reasoning skills engage in the OBVIOUSLY mindless parroting of propaganda that was created by ONLY using SELECTIVE parts of scientific studies and adding “spin” to them? If the science speaks for itself, why are you and it saying two different things?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I mean, NO it's not within the standard of deviation. These are statistically significant differences (as detailed by the studies). Where did you find this supposed 15 point standard of deviation from? Do you even know what standard of deviation means?

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

http://previous.us.mensa.org/news_media/mediakit/MatterGenius.pdf

"...the IQ score of 130 is the same as the 98th percentile or two standard deviations from the mean." (which the mensa article indicates as 100) Dividing 30 by 2=15.

If you cannot calculate the difference between 106 and 95-it's 11. The number 11 is smaller than 15.

106 does NOT make a liberal student a genius and 95 does not make a conservative student a "retard". I thought you were all about the facts.

Here's a link that explains standard deviation better than I can.-http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Standard of deviation is an easy concept to understand. Technically, it just shows how much variation from the mean there is, whereas you're using it as if it means margin of error (and it doesn't).

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Let me explain this another way. 100 is the "mean" I.Q. score for a given population or group. In this particular instance, the "liberal" students scored 106-or six points higher than the mean, and the "conservative" students scored 5 points lower than the mean. NEITHER group reached the next "deviation point" AWAY from the mean. In order to be considered "above average" the liberal students would have to have reached (on average) 115 points and in order to be considered "below average" the conservative students would have to have reached 85 points. BOTH scores fall within the vast majority of the population=and that's of average intelligence.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

You don't have to explain it to me, I've taken statistics, and not at swamp university, but in a real college ... -:)

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

So either you don't understand the class you took, or you think everyone else is so stupid they'll believe what you have to say about these? Which one?

[-] 0 points by jjkennels (0) 2 years ago

What is it Occupiers are wanting? It's funny, because they are never specific. When you press an Occupier to be specific, here is the most common responses:

Free education Free housing Guranteed wages and jobs Free healthcare Free contraception

That's the top five answers from what I've gathered and witnessed personally. What do they all have in common? FREE!!!

Ok, so here's a question for all the so-called "critical thinkers".......if all of those things are free to everyone, who actually pays for it? Because we all know NOTHING in life is free, especially something valuable. Who pays for it? The 1%? Because there isn't enough money between those people to cover 1/10 of the cost to send everyone to college, buy everyone's health insurance, ensure a minimum annual wage, buy everyone a house, and guarantee everyone employment. Even if you took 100% of all their money, you couldn't pay for it.

Time to wake up folks. Stop turning down that less desireable job, and start somewhere. If half of the Occupiers were only half as qualified as they claim to be, then why are they unemployed? If occupiers are so intelligent, why are most of them out of work?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Maybe they don't want to do your job ... shoveling shit into your inbred mouth for a living.

[-] 0 points by jjkennels (0) 2 years ago

Interesting post. Because when I watch a Tea Party rally, and then I watch an Occupy rally, one DOES INDEED remind me of "tribalism", people acting like a lower animal, etc. That's the Occupy rallies. If you claim that liberals are the "enlightened humans" who are more prone to "critical thinking", then why are liberal rallies and protests always more violent and chaotic, while Tea Party rallies are pretty organized and peaceful?

Do I need to remind you of the "Rape Free Zones" that had to be set up in NYC?

Your problem seems to be one of ignorance. A clear understanding of philosophy might clear things up a bit for you. Conservatives are religious fanatics? No more than liberals are environmental fanatics. Conservatives are racists? No more than the NAACP, or the Black Panthers are racists. Conservatives are a giant barbarian tribe? No more than the SEIU..

You want tangible solutions to real problems? Stop looking to government for your solution. The tangible solutions start within yourself. Stop relying on someone else to solve your own problems. Want a few "tangible" examples? YOU decide to stay in school. YOU decide to find a job. YOU decide to save money. YOU decide how to educate your own children. YOU decide to work harder than the next guy. YOU decide to have dignity and integrity. YOU save for your own retirement. YOU pay for your own college. YOU buy your own house. YOU buy your own contraception. YOU take care of your own body. Why should anyone else be responsible for you? The only thing you can control is YOU.

It's time for you folks to take a hard look in the mirror, and really contemplate what you are demanding. Everyone here is downing the "1%". But isn't it your mission to draw nearer to that 1%? You admonish them, but are striving to be them. Take a look at the root of that sentiment. What is it? and how is it negatively effecting you personally?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

All dem gosh dang dudes without crew cuts and who have front teeth, and who aren't illiterate ... I bet it must be scary for you.

[-] 1 points by badguy (-25) from Baltimore, OH 2 years ago

Why is it that whenever someone here makes a very valid point francismjenkins responds with some ridiculous insult? Francis says that all conservatives are illiterate. That is his/her response to everything. I'm not sure if I have ever read a post from this person that actually made a point. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that this person is the real intellectual in the room.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well stated JJkennels.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Then your movement is doomed. Conservatives outnumber liberals 2-1 as evidenced by every serious, credible poll out there. 40% to 21% as of January 2012. If you continue to call the majority of Americans, crazy, animals, stupid, narcissists and sociopaths-none of that 40% will join your cause and neither will most of the "moderates" (who also outnumber you-35% to 21%).

If you think you can "win" using such tactics, your critical thinking skills are wacked.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Only in the swamp where you live ....

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Really? You have evidence proving that all the polls were conducted "in the swamp where I live" or are you just hoping readers will mindlessly and obediently believe it because you said so?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

The idea that conservatives outnumber liberals 2 to 1 is absurd on its face. How in the world could a liberal (or at least lukewarm liberal) like Obama or Bill Clinton ever get elected if our country is so overwhelmingly conservative? I mean, how exactly are you defining conservative?

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

You'll have to actually get off your ass and read how the polls define conservative to answer your own questions. I'm just stating the FACTS. They are obviously "uncomfortable facts" to you, but they are facts none the less.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I hope that imaginary world you're living in is at least pleasurable.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

I'm not the one living in an imaginary world. You ought to check out reality once in a while.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Oh please, conservatives are the bottom of the barrel in terms of intellectual capacity. You people can't think critically, you're easily brainwashed, manipulated by fear, tribalism, you have all sorts of horrible habits (like incest). I mean, conservatives are the stuff on the tissue when humans wipe their rear ends.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

This is the type of posting that reflects so well on the OWS movement. (Oh...pun) You're damaging OWS more than any "outside" group or effort ever possibly could.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Sounds like you're having one of those genetically induced episodes again. Try more of that snake oil ....

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[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Lest you forget, you are talking about Americans. Is that how you feel about your fellow Americans.

This country was not built on "liberalism" - it was built on determination, individualism and the desire to succede.

If you don't know how to succed and blame others because of it, you yourself are a loser. If you are that bitter towards Americans, maybe you need to move to another country that makes you feel more comfortable to live.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I'm not bitter towards my fellow Americans, I simply acknowledge that a huge portion of our population is barely literate, dangerous, violent, racist, and their morals are guided by the lowest aspects of human nature .... and these are the conservatives (like knuckle dragging barbarians).

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well, it sounds to me like you are bitter. when you make comments like (knuckle dragging barbarians) - what kind of statement is that?

May you disagree with people - have you had direct dialogue with the people you call "knuckle dragging barbarians" and if so how many.

You see you are using a broad brush stroke to define whom you dislike - unless you have been in touch and talked with those you call "knuckle dragging barbarians" you cannot comment about them because you know nothing about them.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Not bitter, just truthful. The truth may sound bitter to you, because you're brainwashed into thinking you're not a knuckle dragging barbarian. Conservatives are like the last species of hominin, just before we evolved into homo sapiens. The people who have sex with relatives, who would be lynching black people if they could get away with it, the barely literate, the anti-intellectuals, the people who have dreams like Jesus (a peace loving socialist hippy) told them to invade a foreign nation and slaughter tens of thousands of brown people .... yes, I call this knuckle dragging barbarian (I think it fits just fine).

[-] 1 points by badguy (-25) from Baltimore, OH 2 years ago

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that republicans are racist, illiterate rednecks? It sounds to me like the KKK has had it wrong all these years that they have supported the Democrat party. Somebody should tell them. Also, I don't remember the tea party raping innocent women and destroying private property. Just think. All of that organized and peaceful dissent and none of us were aware of how violent we were.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I'm not a democrat, nor am I an apologist for the democratic party, except to point out the obvious. The democrats haven't been the party of inbred, racist, hilly billy ass holes for decades, the republicans completely took their place in that regard. Also, I don't remember OWS raping anyone. Sure, rapes happen, sometimes in big cities like NYC they could happen in the same proximity of a protest demonstration, but I challenge you to find a single case of an "occupier" (a bonafied OWS supporter) who has been charged with felony sexual assault in or near an OWS encampment?

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I'm not brainwashed into anything. I am a survivor and can survive without blaming others should things get worse for me. I consider myself an "independent" individual and as such know how to survive.

I don't complain about the evil rich or anyone else who has wealth. If I want to be as wealthy as them all I have to do is put forth the effort.

I don't want to hear this crap about "well I can't find a job" or "I have been making the same amount of money for the last 16 years:

If that's your problem then you need to do something about it.

You know the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results". Well it sounds like a lot of people who post here have that problem.

They complain and complain but do nothing about it except criticize others for their own shortcomings.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

We're not complaining for ourselves ass hole ...

[-] 1 points by badguy (-25) from Baltimore, OH 2 years ago

Sounds like someone hit a nerve.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This country was built by terrorists. Liberal terrorists.

[-] 0 points by cherokeechief (-26) 2 years ago

Project much?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Whatever gives comfort to your simple mind :)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's just the simple truth.

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[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

15 hours ago francismjenkins: conservatives aren't interested in serious discussions about serious things, so every once in a while, it's fun to just gratuitously mock them. Bad of me I know .... but the rumor is, Jesus forgives :)

By using the words gratuitous and mocking you imply "without reason-lacking proof" and "not real, deceptive, verbally abusive" (hence your conclusion that you'd require Jesus' forgiveness for your behavior)

12 hours ago francismjenkins-Ergo, my point. I mean, the things I listed in my OP may not be comfortable facts ... but they are facts (and how can we address problems, if we don't begin by an honest assessment of our country).

But now your OP was really true, factual, based on provable evidence.

So which is it? Us poor, stupid, uneducated masses just have the darndest time figuring out which lies are jokes to you and which lies are not!

Hint-the reason you will fail is because you either actually believe that your OP is an "honest assessment of our country" (hence ill-informed, crazy, and completely out of touch) or because you actually believe that you can convince the majority of this country's citizens to believe that.

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 2 years ago

regarding racism, it was the democrat party that started the KKK. fdr's first appointment to the supreme court was hugo black, a lifetime member of the KKK. it was the democrats that fought integration.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Nothing to do with anything. First, I said nothing of political affiliation (I merely defined "conservatism"), but secondly, the republican party hasn't been the party of Lincoln or Susan B. Anthony or the abolitionists for a very long time. There is no continuum of thought between then and now. The republican party of "today" is the party of racism, tribalism, nationalism, they are the anti-intellectual party, and most disturbingly, narcissism is their official party platform.

[-] -1 points by cooperbl (-88) 2 years ago

obama is the narcissist -in-chief. i notice you have nothing to say about the dems and the KKK , about the dems fighting against integration.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I don't know what school you attended, but the KKK was not started by the Democratic Party; the first Klan was begun by ex-CSA veterans.

And, yes, the Democratic Party was for many years the party of segregation; that was back when the South voted as a solid Democratic bloc, but that all changed first under JFK then LBJ. The latter successfully led the Democratic Party from the American dark ages into the twentieth century; that's about the time the South became almost a solid Republican bloc, because many southerners and other reactionaries chose a path back into superstition and fear rather than one forward into knowledge and freedom.

Now, both parties pretty much toe the same line. It is only movements such as OWS and others that are still moving forward. You can revise history if you choose, but the books are still there, though I'm sure many reactionaries would like to change that.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Becareful of how history rewrites itself over the years.....

Just look at the kind views of Reagan and Clinton, both of whom did more long term damage than help to the country,

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

History is often an interpretation game. I don't believe we can truly judge politicians as we judge other people, since most politicians are by nature corrupt. We can only hope that, while not damaging the country as a whole, they at least have the sense to move it forward a bit regardless of the vagaries of popular opinion and the money in their pockets.

[-] 0 points by cooperbl (-88) 2 years ago

lbj was against civil rights for black whil he was in congress, the onlyy reason he changed was for personal political reasons. same with his " war on poverty"............decades later and the problem is worse, more on welfare, more on food stamps.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Before welfare and food stamps, most poor just went hungry; they still do.

Of course LBJ changed his stance. He was a politician pure and simple. Almost everything he did was for personal gain of some sort, but at least he moved the country in a direction it needed to go, perhaps, in spite of his personal beliefs.

The increasing amount of poverty in the country is directly attirbutable to the the 1%, who have purposely kept wages low in this country by outsourcing jobs and keeping the minimum wage below subsistence level.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I don't know if you were born before welfare but prior to welfare people didn't go hungry - they knew how to survive. "Long term Welfare" changed that and made them dependent on government.

What you probably don't know is that when people were on welfare way back when, they only used it as a "steppin stone" to get back to work. Not so today, they use it as a "lifestyle".

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

No, I didn't know any of that. What I do know is that during the Great Depression many people went hungry. FDR changed that by initiating socialist-type reforms like the CCC, the WPA, and--the crowning achievement--Social Security.

I do know that in West Virginia and surrounding Appalachian states during the 1960s and 1970s many people were still going hungry, which was one of the reasons the supposed "War on Poverty" was waged. Ironic how the politicians love war of some kind or another.

The point is, though I have no first-hand experience of the times, I do have history books, and they tell me you err in your interpretation of history.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

So, if you say I have "err in my interpretation of history" prove me wrong. People back then were "strong" and had fortitude and the desire to survive regardless of the circumstances.

Not so today - everyone whines when they lose their "facebook connection" and think it's an "emergency".

The Applachian states are only part of this country - there were plenty of peole throughout the whole United States that were trying to survive - they may have been poor but they survived because they knew how.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

They survived, because the alternative was not to. I don't have to prove you wrong; history proves you wrong.

[-] 0 points by cooperbl (-88) 2 years ago

lbj moved the country toward a welfare society.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Thank god.

[-] 0 points by cooperbl (-88) 2 years ago

I thought you were ignorant , now I know you're stupid.

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[-] -2 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

At least they don't believe in junk science. And judging from your rubbish comments above liberals are the ones that are uneducated and backward.

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

You wouldn't know science if it jumped up and slapped you in that thing you call a brain.

[-] -2 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

there you go. you know nothing about me and yet you are making conclusions. That is not scientific my dear liberal.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Usually, generalizations are a poor methodology, but in the case of conservatives, not so much. I mean, conservatives can only be poorly informed or morally bankrupt, there is no third alternative.

[-] -1 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

and where is your proof of this?

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

How old is the Earth?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What junk science is that?

You guys are the ones who make stuff up.

[-] -3 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

You guys? who are you guys? Let's start with social science, liberals believe that big government and social programs are the answer but in the real life laboratory, not working too well.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

(R)epelican'ts closed most of the mental health facilities.

That's the real failure, which of course makes your statement a failure. (R)epelican'ts!! don't believe in science.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Of course they did .... most of them belong in a mental health facility :)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, but there are still those who will say there is absolutely no difference between the parties.

I wonder if they've even seen the nose on their face?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

That's funny. I'd say that the evidence shows unregulated markets are the harbinger of destruction. Enron, BP, Goldman Sacks, Bain Capital and Macy Energy are all recently deregulated private institutions that wrecked havoc on our economy. Free market solutions just about brought down the laboratory, and you ask for more?

[-] -3 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

Big government has prevented us from recovering. its been almost 4 years now and the economy is still anemic.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Corporate profits are breaking records, again.

It's just plain folks that the (R)epelican'ts are fucking over.

[+] -4 points by teddy99 (-5) 2 years ago

Seems like that Unions and the taxman are doing a better job of messing up the plain folks. Corporations provide jobs, government just takes.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Is that the rumor down at the swamp? Gosh dang gobement .... doing evil things like giving grandma healthcare, not doing enough good things like torching dem dang little brown aaaarabs. I mean, wash the foam from your mouth, reject your savage ways, and join the human race (and stop having sex with relatives, you're fucking up our gene pool).

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[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Wow, you sound like a bad Right wing parody. You need to leave this topic room, quick. You are doing a terrible service for your political affiliation. Next you'll be railing that "government is not the solution but the problem." I believe you and toonces need to go brainstorm new talking points and ideas if you want your party to survive.

I know a lot of corporate welfare recipients, Bain Capital for instance, who have been taking and taking without even paying the tax man. I believe that behavior is more detrimental to our economy than some bureaucrats who gained themselves some good retirement packages.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers raised my taxes.

Unions are supported by and in support of Occupy.

So what the fuck is your problem with folks getting paid?

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Neither side, the politicians, have any desire to do what is right.

The people on both sides generally want the same things, and along the same methods to get there.

ITs all a media circle jerk.