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Forum Post: "Gore Vidal : 'We’ll Have a Dictatorship Soon in the US'" : An Interview With Gore Vidal (R.I.P)

Posted 10 years ago on Aug. 1, 2012, 9:10 a.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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Gore Vidal (R.I.P.) : ‘We’ll Have a Dictatorship Soon in the US’."

The grand old man of letters Gore Vidal claims America is ‘rotting away’ — and don’t expect Barack Obama to save it !

(An Interview With Gore Vidal)

A conversation with Gore Vidal unfolds at his pace. He answers questions imperiously, occasionally playfully, with a piercing, lethal dryness. He is 83 and in a wheelchair (a result of hypothermia suffered in the war, his left knee is made of titanium). But he can walk (“Of course I can”) and after a recent performance of Mother Courage at London’s National Theatre he stood to deliver an anti-war speech to the audience.

How was his friend Fiona Shaw in the title role? “Very good.” Where did they meet? Silence. The US? “Well, it wasn’t Russia.” What’s he writing at the moment? “It’s a little boring to talk about. Most writers seem to do little else but talk about themselves and their work, in majestic terms.” He means self-glorifying? “You’ve stumbled on the phrase,” he says, regally enough. “Continue to use it."

He points to an apartment opposite the hotel where Churchill stayed during the Second World War, as Downing Street was “getting hammered by the Nazis. The crowds would cheer him from the street, he knew great PR.” In a flash, this memory reminds you of the swathe of history Vidal has experienced with great intimacy: he was friends with JFK, fought in the war, his father Gene, an Olympic decathlete and aeronautics teacher, founded TWA among other airlines and had a relationship with Amelia Earhart. (Vidal first flew and landed a plane when he was 10.) He was a screenwriter for MGM in the dying days of the studio system, toyed with being a politician, he has written 24 novels and is hailed as one of the world’s greatest essayists.

He has crossed every boundary, I say. “Crashed many barriers,” he corrects me.

Last year he famously switched allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama during the Democratic nomination process for president. Now, he reveals, he regrets his change of heart. How’s Obama doing? “Dreadfully. I was hopeful. He was the most intelligent person we’ve had in that position for a long time. But he’s inexperienced. He has a total inability to understand military matters. He’s acting as if Afghanistan is the magic talisman: solve that and you solve terrorism.” America should leave Afghanistan, he says. “We’ve failed in every other aspect of our effort of conquering the Middle East or whatever you want to call it.” The “War on Terror” was “made up”, Vidal says. “The whole thing was PR, just like ‘weapons of mass destruction’. It has wrecked the airline business, which my father founded in the 1930s. He’d be cutting his wrists. Now when you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death, a most disagreeable combination.”

His voice strengthens. “One thing I have hated all my life are LIARS [he says that with bristling anger] and I live in a nation of them. It was not always the case. I don’t demand honour, that can be lies too. I don’t say there was a golden age, but there was an age of general intelligence. We had a watchdog, the media.” The media is too supine? “Would that it was. They’re busy preparing us for an Iranian war.” He retains some optimism about Obama “because he doesn’t lie. We know the fool from Arizona [as he calls John McCain] is a liar. We never got the real story of how McCain crashed his plane [in 1967 near Hanoi, North Vietnam] and was held captive.”

Vidal originally became pro-Obama because he grew up in “a black city” (meaning Washington), as well as being impressed by Obama’s intelligence. “But he believes the generals. Even Bush knew the way to win a general was to give him another star. Obama believes the Republican Party is a party when in fact it’s a mindset, like Hitler Youth, based on hatred — religious hatred, racial hatred. When you foreigners hear the word ‘conservative’ you think of kindly old men hunting foxes. They’re not, they’re fascists.”

Another notable Obama mis-step has been on healthcare reform. “He f*ed it up. I don’t know how because the country wanted it. We’ll never see it happen.” As for his wider vision: “Maybe he doesn’t have one, not to imply he is a fraud. He loves quoting Lincoln and there’s a great Lincoln quote from a letter he wrote to one of his generals in the South after the Civil War. ‘I am President of the United States. I have full overall power and never forget it, because I will exercise it’. That’s what Obama needs — a bit of Lincoln’s chill.” Has he met Obama? “No,” he says quietly, “I’ve had my time with presidents.” Vidal raises his fingers to signify a gun and mutters: “Bang bang.” He is referring to the possibility of Obama being assassinated. “Just a mysterious lone gunman lurking in the shadows of the capital,” he says in a wry, dreamy way.

Vidal now believes, as he did originally, Clinton would be the better president. “Hillary knows more about the world and what to do with the generals. History has proven when the girls get involved, they’re good at it. Elizabeth I knew Raleigh would be a good man to give a ship to.”The Republicans will win the next election, Vidal believes; though for him there is little difference between the parties. “Remember the coup d’etat of 2000 when the Supreme Court fixed the selection, not election, of the stupidest man in the country, Mr Bush.”

Vidal says forcefully that he wished he’d never moved back to the US to live in Hollywood, from his clifftop home in Ravello, Italy, in 2000. His partner of 53 years, Howard Austen, who died in 2003, collated a lifetime’s-span of pictures of Vidal, for a new book out this autumn, Gore Vidal: Snapshots in History’s Glare (an oddly clunky title). The cover shows what a beautiful young man Vidal was, although his stare is as hawkish as it is today.

He observes presidential office-holders balefully. “The only one I knew well was Kennedy, but he didn’t impress me as a good president. It’s like asking, ‘What do I think of my brother?’ It’s complicated. I’d known him all my life and I liked him to the end, but he wrecked his chances with the Bay of Pigs and Suez crises, and because everyone was so keen to elect Bobby once Jack had gone, lies started to be told about him — that he was the greatest and the King of Camelot.”

Today religious mania has infected the political bloodstream and America has become corrosively isolationist, he says. “Ask an American what they know about Sweden and they’d say ‘They live well but they’re all alcoholics’. In fact a Scandinavian system could have benefited us many times over.” Instead, America has “no intellectual class” and is “rotting away at a funereal pace. We’ll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being over-educated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is. Benjamin Franklin said that the system would fail because of the corruption of the people and that happened under Bush.”

Vidal adds menacingly: “Don’t ever make the mistake with people like me thinking we are looking for heroes. There aren’t any and if there were, they would be killed immediately. I’m never surprised by bad behaviour. I expect it.”

While materially comfortable, Vidal’s was not a happy childhood. Of his actress and socialite mother Nina, he says: “Give her a glass of vodka and she was as tame as could be. Growing up is going to be difficult if the one person you hate is your mother. I felt trapped. I was close to my grandparents and my father was a saint.” His parents’ many remarriages means that even today he hasn’t met all his step-siblings.

He wrote his first novel, Williwaw, at 19. In 1948, he was blacklisted by the media after writing The City and the Pillar, one of the earliest novels to deal graphically with homosexual desire. “You’ll be amazed to know it is still going strong,” he says. The “JT” it is dedicated to is James “Jimmy” Trimble, Vidal’s first love and, he once said, the love of his life. “That was a slight exaggeration. I said it because there wasn’t any other. In the new book there are wonderful pictures of him from our schooldays. He was a great athlete.” Here his voice softens, and he looks emotional, briefly. “We were both abandoned in our dormitory at St Alban’s [boarding school]. He was killed at the Battle of Iwo Jima [in 1945] because of bad G2 [intelligence].”

Vidal says Trimble’s death didn’t affect him. “No, I was in danger of dying too. A dead man can’t grieve a dead man.” Has love been important to him? “Don’t make the error that schoolteacher idiots make by thinking that gay men’s relationships are like heterosexual ones. They’re not.” He “wouldn’t begin to comment” on how they are different.

In 1956 he was hired by MGM, collaborated on the screenplay for Ben Hur and continued to write novels, most notoriously Myra Breckenridge about a transsexual. It is his satires, essays and memoirs — Live From Golgotha, Palimpsest and most recently, Point to Point Navigation — which have fully rounded our vision of this thorny contrarian, whose originality springs simply, and naturally, from having deliberately unfixed allegiances and an enduring belief in an American republic and railing sadness at how that ideal has been corrupted.

I ask what he wants to do next. “My usual answer to ‘What am I proudest of?’ is my novels, but really I am most proud that, despite enormous temptation, I have never killed anybody and you don’t know how tempted I have been.”

That wasn’t my question, I say. “Well, given that I’m proudest that I haven’t killed anybody, I might be saving something up for someone.” A perfect line: we both laugh.

Is he happy? “What a question,” he sighs and then smiles mischievously. “I’ll respond with a quote from Aeschylus: ‘Call no man happy till he is dead’.”


Requiscat In Pace ...


[Article abridged & posted under "Fair Use" in memory of Gore Vidal from : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23595.htm ]



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[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 10 years ago


Compelling writer, great thinker, biting humor, brutally honest,

Great post.


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Gore Vidal on 'The Future' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8UFX4qlC4

  • "I was born 80 years ago in a country called the United States of America and now I live in a Homeland -- an expression we haven't heard since Hitler." :

I agree with what you say about Gore Vidal and he will be very sadly missed.

pax et lux ...

[-] 1 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

On a personal note.. my Mother dated his uncle. She knew Gore personally. He was a privileged Up Town droll humorist, yet seemed to be out of touch with mainstream middle class, and the poor. He did nothing but make conjectures regarding 'Them'. ( he actually called those of less wealth.. 'Them') She liked him, but felt sorry for his ignorance of the Human Condition, and the Reality of it. Once, they were in Rio when he was Principal Speaker at an economic gathering of Forbes Peeps and the Fortune 500. ( Mother was a Guest, not a member).. There she heard from the position of an 'outsider' how the ['Fabric of the World Order was so easily empowered by approaching the economy as a 'Source', which like any Well can be dipped into and even drained. Once drained, the only other Source would be in the hands of those controlling it.'] She later called me, telling me how sickened she felt there.. could not wait to get home. She said to me.. "These people of absolute Wealth are Not satisfied with the security it brings, they are in such fear of losing it that all they can think of is What Power they can gain over others with it. .. Going on, she said 'she felt that there is an undertone of some kind of 'World Government they are hoping to run. It will be easily done , once they control the Banks." ... this was in 1982.

So, my thoughts are.. Gore Vidal was smart enough to get the attention, and respect through some semblance of 'Pity' for the Middle and Lower classes , but he showed nothing but disdain in private for 'Them'.

This is a True Story, and i stand by it. ..M.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

There's more to that than just a personal story, of course. Her observations of the mindset of those rich people and their fear of losing it all. And the world government.

[-] 3 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

yes.. a Lot more to it, but i was heading into an 'Essay'.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

That's an essay I wouldn't mind reading !!

[-] 2 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

You are too kind. I dont think there is much more to it, other than how things went after 1982, leading up to today.. Which, as you can see, It all fell into place.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

The public and the private individual.

Contradictory can the human be. Complex is the individual.

I like to sift for the good thoughts and publicize them - I like to denounce the bad thoughts bad thinking ( for being what they are - bad thoughts ) as they are publicized.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Thanx for your interesting vignette. Vidal was a a WASP Patrician and his tastes and language reflected this. However, I do feel that he tried to break the mould with his perspective and iconoclasm and I'm an admirer for that reason. His was one of the salutary voices in The USA & he will be missed.

"On June 9, 2008, a counterrevolution began on the floor of the House of Representatives against the gas and oil crooks who had seized control of the federal government. This counterrevolution began in the exact place which had slumbered during the all-out assault on our liberties and the Constitution itself."

"I wish to draw the attention of the blog world to Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s articles of impeachment presented to the House in order that two faithless public servants be removed from office for crimes against the American people. As I listened to Rep. Kucinich invoke the great engine of impeachment—he listed some 35 crimes by these two faithless officials—we heard, like great bells tolling, the voice of the Constitution itself speak out ringingly against those who had tried to destroy it."

nemo dat quod non habet ...

[-] 2 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

Yes Dear, i remember that well ( i have a Web site, non=profit that has researched Graft and Corruption, who's at fault, and what's behind it..for over 8 years..) And behind the Oil crisis is one main Factor.. It is Traded on the Open Market, When the Open Market is Rigged...

If we stopped Oil from public trading, and kept it in the hands of regulatory Branches of the DOJ and Treasury.. We would have prices back down at the Pumps to under 2 Bux in a Blink of an Eye. And, it would be seamless.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I 2nd that notion. {:-])

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Hope the 'Oil Info' above was useful or interesting to you & I do hope that you will provide a link to website mentioned above as it sounds very interesting to my ears.

Also, re. Gore Vidal, a couple of links :

pax et lux ...

[-] 2 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

Quite, and i do TY for those links.. will reply later. ..M.


(DKA, one of my Faves.. has a limitless energy providing Research and Links to inform those who are interested in what this Forum offers. A font of information is never unappreciated when you have an open mind... TY DK)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

bella bella Vi ringrazio

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Errrr ... thanx & I shall accompany you on this tangent by appending for your consideration :

Your web-site sounds interesting and perhaps you ought to consider putting up a link for our information.

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by Marlow (1141) 10 years ago

TY, appreciate your reply. I would love to Update my sight.. w/ links and a blog.. however, in this lousy economy, my Host/Server, who is also my publisher is providing his service to me Pro-bono. He believed in it so much he offered. But He is from Nova Scocia, and times are hard there.. GMF.ca , has the Prime Minister of Canada as one of his clients.. I cant as them to spend free time for me once again, until their economy perks up as ours is beginning to . You can always become a member, with all the Privacy you wish. I have no access to member info. I cannot publish either unless the Web Master is available. If you decide to post on my site, i am sure others will follow. Enjoy the week end, ..M.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Also : "Gore Vidal Dies Aged 86 :

"Like most of you, I woke to the sad news that Gore Vidal has died at the age of 86. Here's footage of some of his most notable TV appearances, including his famous duel with William F. Buckley Jr at the 1968 Democratic convention."

by George Eaton.

& by Gore Vidal :

  • "Fifty percent of people won't vote, and fifty percent don't read newspapers. I hope it's the same fifty percent."

bene decessit et "de mortuis nili nisi bonum" ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Bookmarked - love the segment with that ass William F. Buckley Jr

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

The BBC's 'Vidal' Obituary : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19074231 .

abiit ad plures ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Thanks for sharing that. If only everyone could be as apparently fearless - and with a proper education & intelect to back it up as well.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Good post, shadz, with some great quotes. I'd have to disagree about one thing, though. I think the corruption of the American people began before Bush.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

The earnest agenda of corrupting the people of the USA began just prior to WWI and has continued to pick-up pace from there - always being driven by business concerns and the governments need to control the population.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Prior to WWI. That sounds about right. I know some might think this link is a C-T website, but if you get the chance, read this article. It gives you an idea of the origins of mass media and the mindset of the men behind it. There are things about the website I don't particularly like, but I've found some compelling info from it:


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I have only so far looked at the top 3rd of the article so far - but I am impressed with the knowledge being presented - I have book marked the link for further consideration.

Can you believe that much of what I have seen so far in this article are concepts that I studied in grade school? Back when the public school system ( or at least my school ) was teaching how to be a critical thinker. Actually taught the kids to think for themselves.

At this point in time I would recommend this article as good food for thought. Thanks again for the link.


[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

This is the second time you've surprised me with a story of your education. We're fairly close to the same age, right? I'm 53, and went to public school here in St. Louis city. What bizzarro world were you living in? Critical thinking and economics 101 in public schools here in the US? I have to say, I'm a bit envious. To give you an idea, from 5th through 8th grade I went to what they called a 'gifted' school. A school for 'accelerated learning.' It was for the so-called 'smart kids.' Apparently here in Missouri, they thought it more important to teach the future intellectuals of America French (instead of Spanish) and speed reading (without the accompanying comprehension) instead of economics and critical thinking. The speed reading really gets me. Sure, I can read faster than I can talk, but what's the fucking point if you have to read the paragraph three times to understand it?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I am 54. Yes speed over comprehension is a bitch kitty. Do things at the speed of business. Nah - I don't think so. Speed of business = economic meltdown and wage slaves. I guess that you were fortunate in the regard that you still received a better education than the lions share of kids whom you grew-up with.

Key component is - YOU - never stopped looking analyzing learning for yourself.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Yes. Where did you go to school? Small town?

I think public schools back then were about indoctrination as much as education, at least in the big cities. I was going through the family archives a couple weeks ago (family archive=cardboard box) and came across one of my report cards from 1st grade (El Paso, the only non-St. Louis school of my youth) and noticed something interesting. Along with math and grammar, we were also graded in "listens well," "follows directions," "uses time wisely," "completes tasks," and "works and plays well with others."

Just the ideal traits for our future assembly-line workers and cubicle drones.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I grew-up in White Bear Lake in Minnesota. How my family got there I really have no clue - except my mom wanted to get a house and stay in one place so her kids could grow-up with a sense of community.

White Bear Lake at that time was a funny place - unusual I guess I should say - though I did not know it at the time.

Middle class Upper Middle Class and some very wealthy. We were a very low middle class family at that time. Just above the cutoff line to being considered poor.

The area in which I lived was home to the families of 3M ( Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing ) as well as a huge number of Honeywell employees - this fact may well explain the difference in educational curriculum that I experienced.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

I'll bet it does. It makes sense. St. Louis in the '60's was home to a huge number of very big players; Boeing, McDonald Douglas, Ralston-Purina, Monsanto, a long list. But we also have some top-class colleges. I guess my point is, we had a sufficient pool of highly-educated kids to fill these places, so they didn't need to 'educate' the lower classes, however intelligent, only prepare us for our future blue-collar lives. I guess they figured the smart ones would rise to the top and become, gasp, FOREMAN!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I shudder to think ( foreman such a dirty word ) - they then forgot to teach us to be callous - we got lucky I guess.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Heh heh heh. Yeah.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Gold can be found in the unlikeliest of places. It may be rare but it does happen.

The corruption of the people of the world really started in earnest with the popularity of psychology. Government and business absolutely fell in love with many concepts of psychology. Pavlov and his dog for one.

Thanks for the link - I will have a look see.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Yes it can. In fact, that's how I found this site last year. I was doing some research on "symbolism in art and architecture," of all things, went to a link, another link, found myself on that site, where they had an article about Occupy violence, and voila, I found OWS. From symbolism in Renaissance paintings to today's revolution in four easy steps. A curious mind is amazing thing, as you well know, being as you have one.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

An Open and Questing mind is awesome - thank you again for the compliment - you seem to also have an Open and Questing mind. Awesome as you will discover things that most can not begin to imagine.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

A 'questing' AND 'questioning" mind. jk

To which I 'twinkle.' Not literally, of course. ;-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I dunknow perhaps in the right light ( twinkle ). Ask your Wife/Girlfriend or just plain friends.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Heh heh heh, and yes, most my friends are rather plain. ;-)

And in response to your comment to me on the 'Voting matters in the month of May' thread in reference to repubsR, I think you may be right. Ran out of reply buttons over there, so, rather than chase you back up the thread, I decided to combine two responses in one. I'm fuckin' awesome! Just kidding again, I pretty much suck as a human being.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I kinda think that you are perhaps usually to humble - from your contributions here you do not suck as a human being. Just sayin we can be our own harshest critics. I know - I am usually my harshest critic.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Yeah, I'm pretty hard on myself sometimes. It comes from being generally disappointed in myself. For a fairly intelligent guy, I've wasted a lifetime doing stupid shit. Life is full of such apparent contradictions, as you know.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I can relate - this time on this forum has been some of the best times in how I feel about myself - being able to contribute to good causes for all of humanity. I was often quite depressed with my employment as I did not feel it was contributing a whole lot to society/humanity. My last job was OK though - even though the product manufactured was a big help in other industries productivity - the products themselves were worker friendly saving much labor and repetitive stress. Though I am sure the industries found a way to make that work against their employees all the same with new higher productivity demands. Greed Sucks.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Greed. The underlying cause of most, if not all, our present problems.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

In one form or another Greed is a killer.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Vidal hated The Bushes (& ditto !!) so his tendency for verbiage went into overdrive on that matter. In truth Gore Vidal was highly versed in the nuances of US history. I agree with your 'pov' & thanx 'g'. Also in reply I rather to tend to agree with DKAt below too. The 1913 'Federal Reserve Act' is a landmark in "the corruption of the American people" ! I abridged the article that I posted, so you'll need to use the link at the end of the 'forum-post' to read the full article. Further, please also see :

cave - bellum que ipsum alet ...

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

I shall. And I tend to agree about the Fed. It's no coincidence the Federal Reserve Act coincided exactly with the institution of the Federal income tax. What was once paid for by the rich will now be paid for by the plebs. Or the proles, plebeians, whatever the fuck they're calling us nowadays when the doors are closed.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 10 years ago

the people who have hate in their hearts and do not fall into the category of the hated will support the dictator.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Good Food for Thought - as always you provide good articles - thanks shadz.


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

You're welcome and I also append :

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

And another Great Article - shadz. Now if we could get everyone to read and consider the material you provide - you might become recognized as one of the greatest critical thinking teachers of all time - a real teacher of having a free and questing mind.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Steady On Bro' !!! Pedestals are only good for falling off !! Thanx tho' & bless you for saying so even IF my head may never fit my pillow again, lol !

Also, re. "K O ; K O" :

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

LOL - I think - that I need not worry about you being able to walk freely through doorways - you seem to be pretty well grounded.

Thanks again ( Keep-on Keeping-on ) very soul/spirit inspiring. {;-])