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Forum Post: good news - 4PM monday

Posted 5 years ago on Dec. 31, 2012, 4:07 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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no house vote tonight - we are going over the curb



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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

the blackmailing Rs - led by the tp will not budge
Democrats will pass a tax CUT bill for the 98% ASAP
and hopefully include unemployment benefit extension,
and sequester will cut IN to reduce our military


the Rs are really pissed because Obama got what he really wanted
if this battle was scary, and the market may drop 500 points on tuesday
THIS IS NOTHING compared to the debt ceiling debate that we will see soon

The Rs blackmailed America on the ceiling a few months ago. Raising the ceiling does NOT increase our debt - it just tells the world that America pays its debts.
The last time, the blackmail lowerd our credit rating,. raising the interest rate we pay on our debt, and cost America billions of dollars in interest.

Obama has at least two ways to INDEPENDENTLY - without congress - raise the ceiling. He should raise it to $50T so we never have to deal with this again.

one way is the 14th Amendment

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

A 50Trillion debt limit? Dont worry, the IMF states that by 2016 China is going to have a larger economy than ours, which is going to lead to something really fucked up. I dont think we will get much past about another 5 Trillion of debt before this entire thing blows up.

Its happened with every other empire. Its going to happen to ours too.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

You do understand that a $50T debt ceiling creates

It just cuts the koch-alec-tp cabal from using this weapon

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

We are spending ourselves into oblivion with a ceiling debate. Might as well just get rid of it altogether.

The country is insolvent. Globalization is changing the field, and we dont have the leadership to get through it cleanly. Hence our ever expanding global set of military bases and wars


[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

You have no idea what you are talkin about. Just talkin outta you ass again!

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

bad news - the Rs negotiated a delay in military cuts

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 5 years ago

It really is rather simple; just cut all military spending to near zero,. reduce all branches till we only operate INSIDE the boarders of the USA. You know, in a nationally defensive capacity.

Use the savings to build infrastructure for a post carbon economy,. using the fossil-fuels that still remain. These are less every day,. and we should be working to transition to other energies using the ones we are wasting now.

End the current money system. Debt based money is the single most powerful tool the 1% have in holding their power,. and taking so much from the rest of humanity,. for short-sighted and pure evil selfish greed.

Build a new monetary system based on actual wealth, the carrying-capacity of the eco-regions, and build these up for future generations, instead of pushing our consumption onto our children's children's children through monetary debt, and rampant ecocide in pursue of pointless consumerism.

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

"It really is rather simple"
I am sorry if I sound nasty, but I'm really fed up with posts that advocate the impossible.
Why not legislate honesty - or goodness ?

Concentrate on solutions, not problems.

One change is needed - just one
and it is real and it is do-able

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 5 years ago

How is anything I advocated above "impossible" ? It is not only possible, it is ,in fact, all necessary.

Your link is to a sight proposing the reversal of three (3) court decisions,. the supreme court can only reverse a decision within 25 days of making it, on an appeal. So not likely 'do-able',. no.

Also, what you advocate is petitioning the system to change itself to better suit the disadvantage instead of the advantaged, you really believe THIS system will abide such petitions?? Not bloody likely. The powerful do not readily relinquish power, especially not just because you asked nicely!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

So you read all 40+ documents and watched 70+ videos and concluded I was referring to a SCOTUS reversal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously - is English not your primary language?
Factually, SCOTUS can reverse ANYTHING it does any time.

If you learn to read: [ from the site home page ]
Our OWS Working Group has one goal -
To support the OWS Declaration
a democratic government derives
its just power from the people,
not from corporations”
and to do what polls show
80% of Americans want -
To get corrupting money out
of our political system by passing
a Constitutional Amendment that will:
►Reverse the 2010 Supreme Court decision
Citizens United that enabled super-pacs
►Reverse the 1976 Supreme Court decision
Buckley that equated money is speech
►Eliminate the 1886 judicially created
fiction that corporations are people

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 5 years ago

"read all 40+ documents and watched 70+ videos", really? If you can not summarize you position or your plan in a single concise sentence, it is not that great of a plan.

Like I said you are stuck in the "reform the system" mentality. This system is perfect, in that it is not open to change from anywhere but the top. It is a perfect CONTROL system that gives you the illusion that you can manage some from of input or control into it,. this seems to me to have been proven untrue many time over.

And why all the hostility? "If you learn to read", "is English not your primary language?" are these digs really unnecessary? I simply disagree with your "one true" solution to all the world problems.

Not only do I have a working knowledge of the English language, I also have an understanding of power, and the knowledge that those with it do not readily relinquish it. Why would an amendment to the constitution pass through this decrepit corrupted power structure? And so what if it does?,. yes the corporate personhood idea is sickening on it's face, however it is hardly the only issue we face. Why pretend that it is?

You claim it is "impossible" to end american militarism, and build much needed local infrastructure instead? Why? What knowledge do you have about this?

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

You accuse me of saying & believing things I did not say or believe.
you lied about the Supreme Court laws.
you lied about our OWS web site

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 5 years ago

Lol,. are you 12 years old? That would explain your total lack of ability to engage in debate or a civil discussion in a public forum.

I "lied" about nothing. Perhaps you could choose to learn, and improve your site, when people do not 'get' what you are attempting to say? I posted my opinion about how america can move forward, and you cried out "impossible", telling me you have the 'one true path' for reform of government, something I never even brought up.

Good luck gathering the public support you would need to implement a constitutional amendment when you are nothing but hostile towards the people you would need to support it.

Again, why is it "impossible" to end American militarism and redirect those resources into local green infrastructural ?!?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 5 years ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

WH agrees to tax cuts for up $400k income. Shouldn't have given a penny over $250k.

increased rate still not big enough. but there it is.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

You're beating a dead horse; this is a totally dysfunctional government.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

76k pages of loopholes in the tax code, bombs dropping all over, trading with slave labor counties, the Fed/Banksters stealing 85 billion a month after stealing 3 Trillion the last 5 years in broad daylight. ....

This thing is out of control. This is not sustainable.

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

If they're in the tax code , they are not loopholes, they're tax law.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Whatver you want to call em, deductions, loopholes, etc.

Bottom line is the tax code is 76k pages long. 76k pages of bullshit.

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

yes, the current tax code is long and generally undecipherable., but it is the law. a flat tax would suffice.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I suppose you think the important thing is the size of the tax law? LOL

Flat tax is regressive. Simplicity is fine but it must be progressive. 90% on income over $1mill

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

not the size, the intricacy of it all. 90% on those earning over 1 mil???????????????? why not take it all, from everyone??. the govt has a SPENDING PROBLEM

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

is that what david & charlie told you ?

[-] 0 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

do you continuously spend more and more money that you dont have? do you force your neighbors to pay your bills? the govt does .

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We just cut $1T 2 years ago. This Pres has cut more than any.

The spending problem comes from repubs and 2 wars on credit, unpaid for prescription plan, tax cuts without spending cuts, no def cuts, and then they crashed the economy.

The lack of revenue from the great recession is the problem.

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 5 years ago

good, what we need is a good old fashioned idealogical battle. This compromising nonsense is really not helping America's cause. The time has come to decide what America will really be.