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Forum Post: God's plan by George Zimmerman

Posted 2 years ago on July 19, 2012, 2:36 p.m. EST by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV
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In an interview with Fox News Zimmerman claims the events leading to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin were part of God's plan. Zimmerman is a poor excuse for a human being to use God as an alibi for his own poor judgement.

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[-] 4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Debating current events not related to the Occupy movement are in poor judgement.

[-] 3 points by flip (6775) 2 years ago

i agree - unless we talk about dance moms

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

No, that's only your opinion. Nobody is ever going to ask YOU if it's relevant or not. Neither should they.

Come Together NOW

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Current events are what we about. the injustice visited upon the 99% is current. Maybe you have some problem with Trayvon Martin?

Not related to OWS? huh? it's a gun issue, a racism issue, a justice issue, Why wouldn't this be OWS business.

Do you think Zimmerman was right to kill Trayvon Martin.?

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

OWS's main issues are economic and political inequality and how to overcome those injustices. We cannot address every possible issue of injustice here, although many try.

Dividing our message by every injustice weakens our message. Limiting our message to the most fundamental injustices will strengthen it.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oooh! So to discuss this issue would hurt OWS.

Wow you are so thoughtful and protective of the movement. Whatta guy.

Y'know there was a big march in NYC Union sq for Travon and guess what? OWS was there! In force. Could it be you are mistaken? Certainly you don't speak for OWS. This is just your opinion.

So the question is why don't you wanna talk about it.? Do you support the racist, bully Zimmerman? We don't have to discuss it. Just say yes or no.

I think the movement might survive even if you go on the record.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Zimmerman is inconsequential to Occupy. It is a distraction from the essential goal.

What would you say are Occupy's main goals?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

stopping the conservative 1% plutocrats.

The same ones who passed the stand your ground laws (also pushed the ALEC voter suppression laws). The same ones who discriminate against all minorities and immigrants. The same ones that use fox (like Zimm) to brainwash half the 99% (repubs) into supporting right wing policies that serve the 1% plutocrats.

It ain't a long way from Zimmermans 21st century legal lynching to the plutocrats who support him.

I guess you are afraid to say you support Zimm. S'ok. Your silence is deafening. Takes all kinds brother.

Peace out

[-] 2 points by throaway (57) 2 years ago

You know what. I don't know, I wasn't there. And neither were any of you folks that have already tried and convicted Zimmerman.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

As I've posted before let the courts decide whether Zimmerman is guilty of homicide, but when a man uses feeble theological arguments of "God's plan" to explain the incidents that transpired, whatever and however they occurred, he's either grasping at straws or mentally unstable.

[-] 1 points by throaway (57) 2 years ago

We agree. Let the courts decide. I am just blown away by all the people that have decided he is guilty based on news coverage when there were no witnesses.

I must say I think he meant "it was fate" when he said "God's plan", btw.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

If he wants people to not judge his character, he should stay off the talk shows.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah but we know he was guilt of lying to the judge. and we know he was guilt of hiding money, we know he shot a 17 yr old in the chest and killed him. We know he disobeyed the police instructions that led to the conflict. We know the kid wasn't doing anything wrong. We know Zimm is using the racist Hannity for cover, We know Zimm using religion to justify the killing of Trayvon (and that is offensive).

We know Zimms aquaintences have called him a racist, a child molester, and a bully.

So anyone who defends this coward, liar, and and whatever else he is does a desservice to Trayvon. The victim.!

I think he is guilty. I'm allowed to say that right.? Even if you would defend this piece of shit human being.

[-] -1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I believe anyone using theology to make a statement about a questionable act, which may be considered political considering the people and events involved, is well within the realm of the Occupy movement. Or maybe you believe we should only discuss what you deem important.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Zimmerman invokes God to cover his own tracks by blaming God for what happened and absolving himself of any responsibly since it wasn't his action rather God's.

And yes, the GOP plays God Card anytime they see a gain for doing it. It is relevant to discussions here and those who advocate censoring the free discussion here are forgetting about A reality and B the people in this forum are NEVER going to bullied by some dominate poster who aspires to telling us where to get off. Maybe that one forgot that this is leaderless movement. This is when we can see the brilliance in the method. Shove off JR, make your posts, and let these people freely chose what they want to take about. It is their prerogative just like mine. Frankly it's you, if anyone, that gets off message by your in-fighting. How do you strengthen the movement by telling others their wrong, and supposedly we're on the same side, really? Maybe you are the one that weakens our standing by telling us we're wrong. I know I'm not.

Come Together NOW

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

All of that because I protested one post. I do apologize that I haven't protested more.

A group that cannot tolerate dissent within itself has no right to practice dissent outside itself.

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Whatever......just work it out.....it's your problem. I'm not bound by you or anyone else, slap around the words all you want, putting some clever words together doesn't make truth and truth is NEVER bound by your words or mine.

Come Together NOW

Right ON!!!

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

All for come together now... Sounds like an old Beatle's song.

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Certainly is..............

http://occupywallst.org/forum/come-together-people-beatles/

And JUST imagine........................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs&feature=related



Come TOGETHER right NOW

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Thanks for the links.

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[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Zimmerman invites scrutiny and scorn every time he speaks publicly.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

That interview is now evidence. He will now be found guilty.

"I got out of my car and followed him"

[-] 1 points by 71353933 (85) 2 years ago

Reminds me of the 'devil made me do it......'

Flip Wilson

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

There's an old country song, Black Rose, sung by Waylon Jennings among others; one of the classic lines goes, "Well the devil made me do it the first time. The second time I done it on my own."

Maybe that'll be Zimmerman's defense: "This was only the first time."

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Posting guidelines:

Before posting, please ask yourself if you're actually making a contribution to on-topic discussion.

This post is completely off topic. This forum is filled with these garbage posts. The trolls are not nearly as effective in diverting our attention from the important issues as the members are.

[-] 0 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

So if an apparently racially motivated killing, which the survivor claims was an act of God, is not an important topic for Occupy, what is?

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Economic and political inequality. If we could bring Trayvon back from the dead, it would effect a few dozen lives. If we bring back our economic and political power back from the dead, it will effect 300 million lives.

[-] 0 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The way to best eradicate weeds is to destroy their roots. Racism is one of the root causes of this nation's economic and political disparity.

I decided to add this little tidbit: in one of the first international speeches Che Guevara made, he told the assembly Cuba was working to eradicate racism, much of it a relic of Yankee domination, in which white Americans wanted beaches free of non-whites. Racism is an important, relevant topic.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

We had worse racism in the 70's but better economic equality.

[-] 0 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Unless you happened to be African American or Hispanic; two groups that still have far more economic inequality than others.

I'm not trying to labor a point, just point out that all of us in Occupy need to work against all forms of inequality, even those masked beneath theological rigmarole.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

We can't work against all forms of inequality at the same time. We must choose our battles wisely or be defeated in all of them.

Here are two of the more important battles:

Citizens United and money in politics.

Higher wages through strikes, unions, and collective bargaining.

What are yours?

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I don't believe the two-party system can be repaired or restructured to provide fair representation for the working class. To support that I refer you to Lenin's The State and Revolution.

I do believe in the collective power of workers and promote the unity of workers to free themselves of their shackles. I quote the Communist motto of the 19th century: "Workers of all countries, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains."

That is my only battle, wherever it takes me.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

I also agree that the two party system needs to be cut out. It is more cancer than flesh. The workers should unite against injustice, and gain back their economic and political power, but they should give up as little of that power as possible to a carefully chosen government.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I suggest you read Marx's speech on "The Paris Commune." He describes the system of government the Communards practiced. It's remarkable. The Paris Commune still stands out as the only true workers' government.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Thanks for the link. I will add it to my reading list which multiplies faster than my ability to turn the pages.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

LOL! I'm buried in "to read"s.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I don't buy that. but......

Are you suggesting we should be more racist to have a better economy?

[-] 5 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

You know the point of my comment and instead dishonestly choose to twist it's meaning.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I asked a question. and I reject your suggestion that we had more economic equality. I further reject you suggestion that the increased racism ofthe time is in anyway related.

You diidn't answer my question. Once again your silence on a race question is deafening.

Are you a racist?

[-] 4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

I am against race, and gender, and party, and against all labels that are placed on differing groups when they are really so similar.

Occupy was formed by people fighting economic and political injustice, not by people opposed to nuts who use God to defend their actions.

Even this rebuttal is a waste of time and space on this forum and I will end it here.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

OWS does not support religious wacko policy that much is certain.

And what does it mean "your against race...." "And gender......"

Which race are you against? All of them.? And which gender?

That was a clever way to avoid answering the question.....

Again!

[-] 3 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

I would call you a douchebag, but that would be an insult to all the douchebags out there...

You know what JR is saying, he was making a simple point the OWS needs to focus to be successful. If you don't agree with him, fine - but accusing the guy of being a racist is ridiculous.

Jeez. What a tool.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

you resort to name calling and the school yard bullying tactics of your candidate Romney.

insults=weak arguments.

If the hood fits....

[-] 3 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

How appropriate. You resort to calling people racist in an attempt to bully them like the people that support your candidate, Obama. The term "racist" is so politically charged that you figure you can put people on the defensive or make them back down so they aren't stuck with that label.

I read this somewhere... "insults=weak arguments"

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The important thing you left out is that we did not have more racism. or better economic equality. That isn't a fact. It was his opinion. And I rejected it.

You left that out. So since it was his opinion I was justified in questioning his use of racism in his comment.

Get over it. People disagree. asking a question is allowed. your not gonna bully me into silence.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I ain't the arbiter. And no one has to respond. If someone appears racist. I ask.

Thats ok whether you agree or not. Lotsa people support Zimm. This guy seemd like one.

Give it a rest.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"purple elephant"? thats silly. I know that religious zealots have been at the center of the anti choice movement forever. I won't pretend otherwise.

If someone expresses racist notions I can and will question them. Nothing wrong with that. Your objections to my reasonable approach to these profound issues reflects on you poorly.

He didn't have to respond. But I can ask why not. And if he still doesn't it is fair to say the silence is deafening.

I ain't done nothing wrong. You csan't handle the truth. Thats all. You defend religious zealots and racists. Thats your thing. I challenge them.

Thats my thing.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

I'm trying to decide if your issue is more reading comprehension or just outright ignorance. Let me review for you - follow the bouncing ball:

Titus: "Racism is one of the root causes of this nation's economic and political disparity."

Hirsch: "We had worse racism in the 70's but better economic equality."

You:"Are you suggesting we should be more racist to have a better economy?"

Hirsch: "You know the point of my comment and instead dishonestly choose to twist it's meaning.."

He didn't express a racist notion, he made a statement of fact. Because the word "racism" was in his statement, you took that to mean he was a racist somehow. He didn't respond to YOUR question, so that makes him a racist. And of course, now I am defending religious zealots and racists. Again, you might want to try some self-examination - I think the racist is in the mirror.

His lack of response is probably because he thinks discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time, and he would be correct. In fact, I'm right there with him. Enjoy the rest of this thread by yourself.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And i only ASKED if he was a racist. He appeared to be avoiding the issue. And still hasn't responded. his silence is deafening. now he has you defending him. You seem to support religious extremists and we know how religion has been misused to oppress the non white races.

Do you defend that too?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

You just jump from one assumption to the next. Why does he owe you a response? If you called me a purple elephant, I probably wouldn't respond to that either. It is just more of your nonsense.

Again, you are attributing all anti-abortion to religious extremists. Those two things aren't necessarily related. I can tell you that not all religious extremist are anti-abortion and not all anti- abortion people are religious extremist. Whenever you deal in absolutes, you are almost always going to be wrong.

You are so hung up on religion and now racism. You have some issues that you need to deal with, and I don't think this forum counts as counseling.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Whatever. You seem to be against a womens right to choose. I call people who are racist. A racist. You call me douchbag if I disagree with you.

You don;t know the difference?. That is your misfortune

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

I didn't call you a douchebag because I disagree with you. I disagree with a lot of people, and some of them I greatly respect. I called you a douchebag because of they way you handle yourself on this forum. The guy was making a simple point about how OWS should focus, and then suddenly you are the arbiter of racist labels - and everyone must respond to your post.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6973) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

This is one of the problems with personification of God, people start having Him/Her/It? doing all kinds of crazy things.

But to play along, do you suppose God wants him as a prison preacher?

[-] 0 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

That's always possible: :{). Trayvon Martin's father made an astute observation in response, when the man said, George Zimmerman must have a different God.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6973) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

a lot of people have several

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Our believe the national god has become Violence; a god of raw power eager to snuff out human lives.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6973) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I hear a lot about the stuff "god" hates, it would almost make you think he's a damn angry fella of course that might have more to do with the folks that keep telling us what all he hates.

Funny thing though, the folks that bring up all that hating seem to always forget the “money changers” and if recall my Sunday school it was them, this Jesus fella had the most trouble with.

[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The TP (toilet paper) Christians don't want to read or hear those parts of the Bible with which they disagree. Instead, they quote a partial verse or only one section omitting the parts that may contradict the bilge by which they live.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28460) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This fact is pretty common in most people in most/all things - to be honest - if they are put in a position to defend their beliefs/practices and are not prepared to deal with the realities of their beliefs or actions.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6973) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Fair enough, a real DOM act would outlaw divorce, and make marriage as God intended, problems arise when people start writing the rules to suit themselves, and claiming their from God.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6973) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the nuns are in trouble for helping the poor and tolerating the gays, if that’s against what Jesus said then it’s been too long since I read the book, but maybe the Pope knows better than Jesus, maybe he got an update or something

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

That seems to be a problem with many zealots of whatever faith. They claim to have private pipeline to God. Look at the evangelicals, who claim many disasters are God's revenge for human errors.

They fail to read the Bible and the real words of Jesus. Instead, they pick and choose to justify their own contemptible biases and hatreds.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Zimmerman appears to be a bully, and racist. No wonder he's got Fox's Hannity colluding with him. I've heard Hannity has been donating to Zimms funds and certainly shills for Zimm on his show.

Another Bully, and racist.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Whether Zimmerman is guilty of homicide or not, I leave to the courts, but I believe that his cloaking irresponsible, racist actions under the banner of twisted theology is a crime in itself.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

using bronze era invisible man in the sky philosophy to justify murder is old school. Zimm is just playin to the fox audience hoping to bring in more money.

It's despicable

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

True. Maybe one of the big-name tele-evangelists will climb aboard the Zimmerman bandwagon and hold a massive telethon to pay defense costs and support the notion that all who "bear the mark of Cain" should be kept in the place God intended.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

LMFAO

very good

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

It would be funnier, if there weren't so much "truth" in it. :()

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It is sad. And Zimm is raising crazy money. He also has Hannity & Fox in his corner so I could a Falwellian type exploiting the situation. It may already be planned.