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Forum Post: Gay Marriage and the Need for State Recognition

Posted 7 years ago on March 26, 2013, 7:37 p.m. EST by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL
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First off, Im pro gay rights. Have no problem with it at all. Those that do are just more hypocrites that want some freedom, but not others.

Well, freedom isnt always perfect for everyone, depending on their beliefs.

But this brings me to another point: The desire to be recognized by the state.

Why is it, we are so adamant about the state and federal politician's approval? Who says the state has to be involved at all?

What the fuck is the state doing in marriage to begin with?

What the fuck is a "marriage license"? Why would anyone humor this? And what the hell are the churches doing by supporting this?

Why on earth would anyone want a bunch of old, rich, racist, sexist, and homophobic people making judgments at all?



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[-] 3 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 7 years ago

Please don't be fooled. The core issues have not been intelligently discussed by either progressives or neo-cons.

There are at least three types of marriage that are not the same, and to imply they are the same is foolish, and frankly, a bit malevolent.

Heterosexual fertile marriages are truly different from all other marriages because the potential for offspring as a result of most marital encounters can weigh heavy on a heterosexual couple and influence their day to day behavior heavily.

On the other hand, infertile heterosexual marriages are really no different than gay marriages.

Three types of marriages vying to be considered exactly the same. Gays shouldn't insult fertile heterosexuals by saying their marriage is identical to theirs, and heterosexuals who can't conceive a baby who think their marriage is different from a gay marriage are insulting gays as well.

[-] 2 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 7 years ago

two core issues regarding gay marriage are the right to be "recognized" as family when one partner has to go to the hospital.

Another core issue is shared social security benefits.

If a couple is married for at least 10 years, then the spouse gets the husbands "share" (assuming the husband made more during their lifetime) even after the husband passes in place of what they were receiving on their own.

This also leads to medicare issues as well.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Im just saying, people can go get married whenever they want. Why the hell do we care what the state says?

Its because the state has gotten their hands in it. All their rules and bullshit, and who can and who cant.

Throw them out of it 100%.

[-] 2 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 7 years ago

That is called a "Civil Union", and I agree with you, and unfortunately the gay marriage movement decided to throw Civil Unions under the bus.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

And that's great from a philosophical approach but not so much when you take in all of the so called benefits that married straight people have.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Republicans are insane. You wont get an arguement from me there.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 7 years ago

So straight people should not get "marriage" certificates, and get fed benefits, visitation rights, inheritance rights?

here's a pertinent bit of info.



[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Why the hell can anyone tell you who can visit and who cannot? And why the hell does the state have the right to create "inheritance rights"? Thats all total bullshit to begin with.

And why the fuck would any couple care about a fuckin certificate from the state?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 7 years ago

Well a hospital can decide who enters their facility. The peoples govt has determined that hospitals cannot forbid family.

Hospitals retain the right to forbid unrelated, or too many, or certain hours.

It would take more action by the peoples govt to change those rules.

Right? But you already know that.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 7 years ago

So that is good, It is only one injustice that gay people must contend with.

Doesn't change your question or my answer, but there are many inequities introduced to a couple when they are forbidden from marrying.

And as a result Occupy has taken the stand that we support marriage equality, and gay rights.