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Forum Post: Free assault rifles for those willing enough.

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 21, 2012, 2:25 p.m. EST by FawkesNews (1290)
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How many incompetent local law enforcement goons passed through this place in the time this was happening? No cameras? Still open? Apologetic? It is no wonder something horrible took place in that village, they were begging for it.

http://gawker.com/5970386/police-raid-gun-store-where-nancy-lanza-purchased-rifle-after-owner-was-unaware-that-a-man-stole-an-ar+15-with-plan-for-a-massacre

"Management at the store didn't know about 11 guns that Marsh had allegedly stolen last year until they were notified by detectives."

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Holy Shit !! + "Shooting Is Business, and Business Is Good", by William Rivers Pitt :

"Between 2003 and 2010, 247,131 Americans died of gunshot wounds. Since 1982, there have been more than 60 mass shootings in America. In almost every case, the weapons used were obtained legally. The number of households with guns has been declining, with a few upticks here and there, since 1990, and yet gun sales went through the roof in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, which means more people aren't buying guns, but the people who buy guns are buying more of them."

waay too fkn crazy for latin ...

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Holy Shit is right!!! It seems that the news reports what the news wants to hear.

"As of Wednesday afternoon, 180 more people have been killed by guns since the Newtown massacre."

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"NRA : No Rational Answer - Firing Back at Extreme Gun Nuts", by Brian Foley :

It may put both a frown and a smile on your face }:-l & :-)

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

What helpful intelligence. Thank you.

ridentem ex dolore

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'Laughing from the pain' indeed 'FN' & in a similar vein :

"NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre's controversial remarks about gun violence at a Friday morning press conference held in the nation's capital were upstaged by a man holding up a red fabric sign, on which it was painted in white letters, "NRA killing our kids."

"NRA stop killing our children," he shouted as he was escorted away. "It's the NRA and assault weapons that are killing our children. Not armed teachers. We've got to end the violence. We've got to stop the killing -- stop the killing in our schools, stop the killing in our malls, stop the killing in our streets. The NRA are killing our children. We've got to stop the violence and violence begins with the NRA. I'm stating the true facts -- that they are the perpetrators of the crimes that take place in our schools and in our streets!"

facta non verba ...

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

If only it were so simple as to point the finger at one anagram, rather than at the very root of the issue. The root of the issue is corruption in banking has spilled over into corruption in government and the agenda one the former has become the agenda of the latter.

morboso societatis creat morboso individuum

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"The root of the issue is corruption in banking has spilled over into corruption in government" - yes & for some excellent insight into the mechanics of this, please see :

When the sickness of fear, greed and parasitism predominates in those who purport to rule over us, then yes, it creates a trickle down sickness in people. Hey 'Guy', we need a loverevolution & a total revaluation of the theory of money, labour and capital.

Human beings and their capabilities are the only real capital ; their labour, mental & physical - is what has made societies and money is a collective figment of imagination. We really need to think towards a 'Human Value Theory Of Labour & Money' or similar in search of new paradigms for a future fit for all.

amor vincit omnia ...

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Should we be surprised that laws passed by the few do not apply to the many? Some wikis you already know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_%26_Furious

bonum quod est bonum anserem gander

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Indeed, what is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander but your links are as alarming as they are interesting. You are gently alluding. intentionally or otherwise - to state complicity in plying guns to a populace, to whom gun ownership is some kind of psychological sop to their alienation from each other and society & disenfranchisement from democracy. My best wishes for solstice, yule, xmas, new year and beyond and I would strongly recommend this article to you :

pax, amor et lux et ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

The goose may be cooked, when the overabundance of guns still is unable to unseat the oligarchy the guns were meant to discourage. Americans are unaware that the weaponry pointed at the heads of their children are those of consumerism, ethnocentrism and greed. Once these are removed from the hands of those wielding them Americans will not need guns to reclaim their country. They may learn that, they may not. I enjoy your articles and posts. Thanks.

cum amor gladii praeponderavit amare humani generis

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 1 year ago

Very Nice Comment and please also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/10-craziest-quotes-nra-press-conference-1356191664 & perhaps - http://www.nationofchange.org/nra-blames-everything-except-guns-outdated-video-games-hurricanes-and-corporate-media-led-newtown-13 . Never Give Up On Cultivating Common Sense! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity and Happy Holidays. What does the latin mean? lol!

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

The NRA is a disinformation campaign to trick Americans into believing that the right to bear arms is to fend off their fellow citizens, rather than to stand at the ready to defend against an enemy from within. As such, the NRA is a brainwashing branch of the same bankers that have ruined America. Americans do not have the fortitude to administer justice to those who deserve it the most: corrupt bankers, politicians and the lackeys that protect them. Once they do those corrupt elements will encounter the antidote to the disease they actually are.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 1 year ago

Guns confer an illusion of freedom and independence and are used as 'some kind of psychological sop (for the peoples) alienation from each other and society & disenfranchisement from democracy' as said above. Again I think that your excellent comment is deeply true and appropriate. Only The 99% can change this but it won't take the whole lot of us, just a 'critical mass'! Never Give Up Exposing The Evil Oligarchy! & also reflect upon - http://www.nationofchange.org/coaches-over-common-good-1356104369

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

There is an elephant in the room. We all need to identify it and address it collectively. It is not "bankers" or "politicians" or even "guns", it is something far more insidious and detrimental to the health of any nation. Some nations are facing this elephant head on with success and that success is encouraging other nations to do so also.

When Americans have had enough of this "elephant" then they will join those nations in the eradication of it. Until then they will remain staunch, yet unknowing, defenders of it.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 1 year ago

'Selective outrage speaks volumes in this country. For instance, deficit-focused anger about Medicare spending but not about Pentagon profligacy tells the story of a political establishment that too often prioritizes militarism over the health of its citizens. Similarly, rage about auto bailouts but not about Wall Street bailouts reveals a Republican Party that treasures Manhattan bankers more than Detroit factory workers.' - from my link above. OWS is critical in addressing what you say, and we who 'ache4change', continue to live in hope. Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity @ OWS!

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Unmotherfuckingbelievable !

I should have known.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Owner should be jailed. A lesson to all dealers. Sorry. It's too dangerous. Maybe he shouldn't own a gun store.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

No doubt !

This guy should never be allowed to operate a plug in tool again.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Gun stores get broken into all the time - and somethimes it isn't on the local news. Usually the word gets out by the local gun clubs to be on the alert.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

If you only need the gun for a couple of days that is a great way to bypass the screening process. Especially if by the time you are caught the gun will be found near your corpse.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Buncha irresponsible inconsiderate criminals? More concerned with gon owners/makers profits than they are for the fellow American gun victims?

Is that what you said

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

I don't know where you get the idea that "gun owners are more concerned about gun makers profits then they are for the fellow American gun victims.

Please provide us with some information to a link to verify this?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No!

The private (no background check) sales (40%) to criminals should be enough evidence for you. Besides the lax control this gun shop owner exhibited.

I know you don't wanna believe it. but there is nothing wrong with being tough on gun owners/dealers/mfg.

For the sake of our children

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

How about we instead focus on violent people and people who want to kill. Take care of that problem and there won't be any problem with gun ownership.

What the hell is wrong with the sanity of the people in this country especially the younger generation when we have to start talking about arming our schools. What does that tell you?

Place any weapon out on a sidewalk with a name and address tag attached to it and see how many people will return it to it's rightful owner - Yah, the gun is the problem not our society.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I agree people are the problem.

One of the biggest problems is the unscrupulous people who sell guns to anyone (even if the know they are criminals or mentally ill). These are people who put profits over people and claim 2nd amendment rights doing so.

We MUST deal with them.

Are you with us?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

you really don't get it - the thief played grand theft auto and watched the "saw" movies
and bigfoot too

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

I ask that you read the article?

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

that's what wayne told me ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

If this true it is outrageous.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

30 fucking missing guns! Makes ya wanna go on a rampage.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Federal-focus-on-gun-violence-4136754.php

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

It seems so.

I'm kind of following it but I may be reaching my limit with this entire affair because it is ridiculous at every level.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Just more evidence that we CAN make a difference by taking action against irresponsible gun owners/dealers/mfgs, closing sales loopholes, & real mental health care.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Got that right !

Apathy, indifference and NIMBY are the real culprits here.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

momentum is moving away from the NRA.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Sadly the NRA will be replaced with some as yet unformed government approved regulatory body that will behave in the same way as Nancy Lanza's brother. Nepotism will reign as it did in the USSR.

I will not miss the NRA. I will have a difficult time entrusting another government entity with the power to psychoanalyze the children of the citizenry, they have never met, while preventing their own nutjobs from being scrutinized.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well the problems of favoritism is a problem everywhere. Medical professionals should be responsible for analyzing people.

Oversight to combat favoritism must exist. We must implement something and not shy way because of possible problems.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

I couldn't agree more.

Oversight committees will likely fall prey to the banal, ignorant and well connected. The USSR fell prey to favoritism at the highest levels. That is why nothing worked very well there for many years. Oddly America now has to lease a space program from Russia. Who is the corrupted, nepotistic, inbred government now? Go figure

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oversight sounds govtal but it don't have to be. Some way of verifying those identified as mentally ill, and also to accept tips of wealthy/connected mentally ill not identified can emerge.

And the ussr comparison is pretty farout there. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

So far the only 'oversight organization' that I can stand behind is "Anonymous" for what they do to those who believe and act as if they were above the law that they espouse to enforce. "Anonymous" is indifferent enough to have an verifiable effect by exposing the privacy so cherished by those who take it for granted. If the veil of privacy were to be removed as a result of wrongdoing more often than those with the most to lose would reconsider before acting.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I would support a citizens grassroots organization, but they will have to be known. Not anonymous, because that is not transparent.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Citizen watchdog oversight is riddled with biases and ignorance, inherent to the average citizen. Additionally they have faces and names and are subjected to fears of reprisal from those they watch over, Often times those groups are unable to determine what course of action needs to be taken and settle with a bare minimum. Anonymous on the other hand is not subjected to those pressures from the organizations they oversee and are able to define an indifferent course of action that often times has a more brutal repercussion.

I understand that a vigilante organization is dangerous, but the anonymity they enjoy is superior to those they oversee.A citizen based watchdog/oversight organization is not arbitrary and is subjected to fear imposed by the very people they are due to oversee. Examples not needed I hope.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Anonymous has no way of being reprimanded. There is no reason forthem to do the right thing. Abuse of power to easy.

They have to be known and protected from threats and intimidation.

That's not a new problem, it can be addressed.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

We have embarked upon a new discussion here...

Anonymous cannot be threatened. Citizen watchdog groups can; and are. As a matter of fact, they are threatened as a norm. This limits their ability to impose justice upon those they oversee. If watchdog/oversight groups are currently biased out of fear of reprisal, than what good are they? While it is true that Anonymous is impossible to be held to accountability, they seem to expose the wrongdoers in a "highly" public fashion and are thereby absolved of reprimand, since the information they expose is the telltale truth.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I;m not against what anonymous has done. but in this regard (mental health analysis/diagnosis) I'm afraid I'll have to insist on control, & protection from threats & intimidation.

It can work.