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Forum Post: Foreign Corporations in the US to be Allowed to Bypass US Laws and Regulations

Posted 2 years ago on June 13, 2012, 3:02 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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What the fuck? Just came across this.

Foreign corporations operating within the U.S. would be permitted to appeal key American legal or regulatory rulings to an international tribunal. That international tribunal would be granted the power to overrule American law and impose trade sanctions on the United States for failing to abide by its rulings.

-Trade document leaked - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

Seriously... what the fuck?

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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Spread the word use every means of communication at your disposal People. This must not stand or we are well and truly FUBAR.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

isn't every one in debt beyond their means already?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And what problem exactly do we have with this secret trade deal that hasn't been signed by anyone yet. Is it that corps can sue countries? I don't understand, and no one is very clear. Please help me out.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If a foreign corporation does not like the treatment it receives - such as fair trade rather then free trade they can complain to an international body and the USA has to abide by the decision.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Ah so it is a sovereignty issue? I thought there was concern that corps could avoid environmental regs or worker conditions that a given country might impose to do business in the country. I mean the huff post piece mentioned this but also included a comment that we wouldn't allow such avoidance. Some comments from the huff post piece indicated that enviro/work cond would be excluded. but you believe it is a sovereignty issue. It seem a bit confusing and a little depressing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It may well go deeper than the trade thing it may well get into environmental issues of corporations wanting to do business here. I just took a quick look before I had to go out.

It would be cool though if it made the USA and other countries adopt strict EPA guidelines. Force the issue of going green and I could get behind that.

But not to allowing foreign business to undercut domestic business. That would be so detrimental to reviving domestic business.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Trade deals seem to benefit other countries more than us but I've always thought they could be the vehicle to push our level of enviro regs, and worker cond. To be honest this partial leak of an incomplete deal that hasn't been signed yet raises more questions than it answers. I can't get too excited yet. I'll have to understand more. Thanx

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Me too I was just taking another look - the repubs are upset so I want to see more on the deal. The sierra club is upset so I don't know if they have better information then us at this point - but I look at fracking drilling and mining and I do not have a very good feeling. Like you said though we need more information.

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4464) 2 years ago

Hi Trevor,

Thank you for this post.

This thing is not about trade.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Thanks. And I agree... It sounds like Foxconn or something like that wants to come to America. They could save so much on shipping. This is speculation, but I can speculate from time to time.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So this is a secret trade deal that hasn't been agreed to by anyone yet.?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Hey Obama 2012 campaign guy!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I'm independent, left wing progressive. Can't vote for the right wing wackos, but do believe we can co opt the dems. Got a problem with that.? And what about the secret trade deal? Is that the one Bush started? You didn't mention that.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

You think you can co-opt the dems before november? Ha Ha.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Didn't say before Nov. Thats you employing republican tactics of twisting words. Whatever creates change, coopt dems, 3rd party, will take years. The right wing has had decades of effort to f%$k up the system. It will take years to take it back for the 99%

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

No it's just anywhere anyone criticizes Obama you call them republicans and attack them. So for doing that I call you Obama 2012 campaign guy. You did it to me earlier on my post about the need to end the wars now, end the sanctions now, and end the drones and the undeclared wars.

I have a dream not I have a drone.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I disagree with the secret drone attacks. I take issue with people who push the fallacy that our current drone action is the same as Bush's slaughter of millions. To suggest that, and to refuse to acknowledge the real difference simply minimizes the Bush war crimes. And that makes you the Republican plant in my eye.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Attacking nations that didn't attack us is always wrong. That is all there is to it.

Bush being terrible doesn't give Obama a free pass to suck less bad.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Haven't we been invited by the govt of those countries? Does that matter to you?

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Hi obama 2012 campaign guy!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Okay pro-war Obama 2012 campaign guy. So now you support the kill lists and secret drone program? Before you said you didn't in comments on another thread. What side are you playing Obama 2012 campaign guy?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I am against the secret targeted drone attacks, but :"attacking nations that didn't attack us" is meaning less if we have their approval. That seems to be unfounded criticism.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Yeah and the TARP bailouts were cool because Congress approved them? The war on Iraq was cool because Congress approved?

Approval means jack shit. Right and Wrong still exist.

The Targeted Kill List is Still wrong!! Still illegal!! And kills too many innocent people! The government coined the term militant so the civilian death toll looks smaller.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah I'm against the drone attacks. We should make sure Dems and Repubs end the actions. Like the ACLU I'm glad we're no longer slaughtering millions like your boy Bush., I'm glad we've closed the secret CIA prisoner camps, I'm glad we've stopped torturing and defined waterboarding as torture like your boy Bush. I'm glad we've stepped down the fear mongering by eliminating the color code warnings, and the "war on terror" terminology. I'm most concerned about the 1% continueing to prey on the 99%. You are silent on that why? You are silent on all right wing failures.! Lets see you complain about republican negligence on holding hearings to end the drone attacks. Why not? Because you are a republican plant? How come you haven't answered the real charge that your republicans in the house voted to extend ndaa while the dems voted to repeal. Why not? Because you are a republican plant?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

My boy Bush? You are too funny. I never voted for Bush nor supported Bush and his warmonger policies.

But since I am not a hypocrite I do not support the warmonger policies of the D's and R's in congress and I don't support the warmonger policies of Obama.

Being anti-war is not a republican agenda. You might remember Romney stating he wanted to keep troops in Iraq.

I have a dream not I have a drone.

“We went to war against a nation that didn’t attack us based on choice. A million innocent Iraqis died as a result. That is a significant number, and there are consequences for that. If America is to shed the shackles of war, we need to go through a period of truth and reconciliation.

“We have to recognize that we are still choosing war. We chose war in Iraq. We chose to go to war in Afghanistan. I think it was right to strike the training camps, but we chose to stay at war for more than a decade. And we are choosing to possibly go to war with Iran.

“If you go deep - and I spent the better part of the last 10 years, every single day challenging these wars - what I have learned is that people in Washington just don’t understand that there is another way to end conflict without killing people.

“When we look at Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, which was a war of choice, and after you wreak havoc on these countries and then you sing Kumbaya and work at conflict resolution, there is magical thinking there. If we create these wars, we are not accepting the consequence of what we have done. To leave it to peace keepers and conflict resolution experts, we are way disconnected from our own actions. We have a country that has not been able to shed our imperial instincts. The idea that we can dominate the world through a global war on terror is insanity.

“All our peace-building efforts will fall apart as long as we believe we can control the world through the use of force. We must acknowledge that every time we drop a bomb, it expands the war and ripples into the future ultimately coming back to us.” - Dennis Kucinich (democrat)

I support democrats like Dennis Kucinich.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Are you so ignorant you don't know the difference between slaughtering millions and killing dozens accidentally.? Or are you just trying to minimize the real war crimes of Bush with the measured military actions of Pres Obama.?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

are you so ignorant that you haven't read how many times I have posted Bush is a war criminal?

Are you so ignorant that you can't see I do not support anyone with a pro-war agenda?

Also Obama's administration has covered up more crimes under Bush than my comments could ever do. Remember the torture photos being suppressed? These photos could be used to put Bush behind bars.

Fuck Bush. And fuck the corruption in government. Remember congress shares responsibility in the wars. They vote to fund them every year and refused to impeach Bush for crimes.

Later Obama 2012 campaign guy. I will no longer respond to you because you are just being annoying now and refuse to see reason or what my comments actually say.

I stand with the ideals of the ACLU.

ACLU files law suit against the Obama administration for war crimes... not the first time either.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/al-aulaqi-v-obama

"The Obama administration’s adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president’s stated desire to restore the rule of law. ... when these photos do see the light of day, the outrage will focus not only on the commission of torture by the Bush administration but on the Obama administration's complicity in covering them up." - ACLU

http://www.aclu.org/2009/05/13/obama-administration-reverses-promise-to-release-torture-photos

"I'm not disgusted at President Obama personally. It's President Obama's policies on civil liberties and national security issues I'm disgusted by." - ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0610/ACLU_chief_disgusted_with_Obama.html

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The ACLU has commended Pres Obama for closing secret CIA prisons, defining water boarding as torture, ending torture, ending the Iraq war. The drone attacks will resolved in court. but since you still ignore and protect your repub paymasters for defeating the dem repeal of ndaa last month, and for not attempting to stop the drone attacks through House hearings they control, I guess you are clearly a repub plant.

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

He's a straight up slavering mouth peice for the democats isnt he?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And you are a republican plant. We disagree certainly. I'm independent, left wing progressive. Can't vote for right wing wackos, but do believe we can co opt the dems. Can you handle that.?

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Oh please. I'm this and I'm that. I'm a capitalist and a socialist so everybody hates me. I just don't care.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Certainly you don't make sense. That much is clear.

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Goddamn just to think I was just about to give up on this forum before I saw this story this morning. Lol

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

17,000 comments on Huffington post!

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

This thing has over 15,000 comments on Huffington post

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I saw a lot of offensive comments insults, and immaturity. Precious little substance. No specifics on what the problem is with this incomplete deal. I saw one specific comment of substance that stated "have you read the actual document it excludes enviro issues and worker cond" What would that relate to? You haven't specified your objection either. Is it a soveriegnty issue? is it worker conditions, environmental issues. What is the problem?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

It should. This is unheard of and insane. I hope this can be stopped.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21336) 2 years ago

Agreed Trevor. This is sheer insanity. Thanks for shedding light on it.

[-] 2 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

I'm ready to hit the streets right now!

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

World Trade Organization (WTO), we signed away our sovereignty when we joined. Enough of this globalism bullshit.

This specifically deals with the Trans-Pacific-Partnership Trade Act.

"The TPP might be thought to be a fairly dull negotiation, given that the US already has free-trade agreements with many of the countries in the partnership, including Australia. But the TPP is more than just a trade agreement. As the federal government’s web page on the treaty explains, the TPP "will also deal with behind-the-border impediments to trade and investment."

And that’s why it’s proving controversial. Should they agree to it, the TPP will force signatory countries to change their domestic policies to conform to the treaty provisions. As Australia has seen with the US-Australia Free Trade Agreement, that can mean flow-on changes to Australian law in areas such as copyright and intellectual property.

http://newmatilda.com/2012/03/15/free-trade-worth-it

"Multi-lateral trade negotiations have had a patchy record lately. The World Trade Organisation’s Doha round of talks has been going nowhere for years, bogged down in labyrinthine negotiations over freeing up agricultural and manufacturing barriers and reducing subsidies to protected industries. Pascal Lamy, a veteran EU bureaucrat currently in charge of the WTO, told Bloomberg that no deal can be expected this year. "The political energy tank is empty," Lamy said.

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[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

I'm about to write a nasty letter to the AFL-CIO for raising money for this jackass and then I'm eating a sandwich and taking a nap!

[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

21,000 comments on Huffington post and I'm out! We gotta protest this shit!

[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Not a word of this from most of the mainstream media