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Forum Post: Everyday our Freedoms Are Being Chipped away at. This is a Beta Test For What is to Come Next. Please Check Out This Short Commentary that Says it like it is.

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 1, 2011, 6:27 p.m. EST by Windsofchange (1044)
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http://www.wpix.com/wpix-lionel-on-pix-gallery,0,5078472.story Check out the video--The Fat Police

You know I am also going to post another commentary by the Judge from Freedom Watch. This is also an eye opener.

What if the whole purpose of the Constitution was to limit the government? What if Congress' enumerated powers in the Constitution no longer limited Congress, but were actually used as justification to extend Congress' authority over every realm of human life? What if the president, meant to be an equal to Congress, has become a democratically elected, term-limited monarch? What if the president assumed everything he did was legal, just because he's the president? What if he could interrupt your regularly scheduled radio and TV programming for a special message from him? What if he could declare war on his own? What if he could read your emails and texts without a search warrant? What if he could kill you without warning? What if the rights and principles guaranteed in the Constitution have been so distorted in the past 200 years as to be unrecognizable by the Founders? What if the states were mere provinces of a totally nationalized and fully centralized government? What if the Constitution was amended stealthily, not by constitutional amendments duly passed by the states, but by the constant and persistent expansion of the federal government's role in our lives? What if the federal government decided whether its own powers were proper and constitutional? What if you needed a license from the government to speak, to assemble or to protest the government? What if the right to keep and bear arms only applied to the government? What if posse comitatus -- the law that prohibits our military from our streets -- were no longer in effect? What if the government considered the military an adequate dispenser of domestic law enforcement? What if cops looked and acted like troops and you couldn't distinguish the military from the police? What if federal agents could write their own search warrants in defiance of the Constitution? What if the government could decide when you weren't entitled to a jury trial? What if the government could take your property whenever it wanted it? What if the government could continue prosecuting you until it got the verdict it wanted? What if the government could force you to testify against yourself simply by labeling you a domestic terrorist? What if the government could torture you until you said what the government wanted to hear? What if people running for president actually supported torture? What if the government tortured your children to get to you? What if the government could send you to your death and your innocence meant nothing so long as the government's procedures were followed? What if America's prison population, the largest in the world, was the result of a cruel and unusual way for a country to be free? What if half the prison population never harmed anyone but themselves? What if the people had no rights except those the government chose to let them have? What if the states had no rights except to do as the federal government commanded? What if our elected officials didn't really live among us, but all instead had their hearts and their homes in Washington, D.C.? What if the government could strip you of your rights because of where your mother was when you were born? What if the income tax was unconstitutional? What if the states were convinced to give up their representation in Congress? What if the government tried to ban you from using a substance older than the government itself? What if voting didn't mean anything anymore because both political parties stand for Big Government? What if the government could write any law, regulate any behavior and tax any event, the Constitution be damned? What if the government was the reason we don't have a Constitution anymore? What if you could love your country but hate what the government has done to it? What if sometimes to love your country, you had to alter or abolish the government? What if Jefferson was right? What if that government is best which governs least? What if I'm right? What if the government is wrong? What if it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong? What if it is better to perish fighting for freedom than to live as a slave? What if freedom's greatest hour of danger is now? BTW, this guy was on Fox, but he seemed to be very impartial and very strong on our constitutional rights (not having them violated). I thought that this was an appropriate post to put up in this critical hour. We can't have our constitution ripped to shreds and our rights taking away. WE must fight this. We must stand our ground. Wake up America, don't let this happen.

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[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 12 years ago

Thanks for the List. We really, really have to watch Congress like a hawk. The S.1867 passed yesterday with 97 yeas to 7 nays. That is well over 2/3 the vote. Now how is Obama going to veto this bill?

Let us also not forget that SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and Protect IP Act that are in the House and Senate. It is amazing that they have two similar bills in each branch of Congress. That means they want to up their chances of this awful bill passing that is extremely draconian and would jail and fine anyone who violates copyright infringement rights and shut down websites such as You Tube and Face Book to name a few. It would radically change the way we use the internet. Just karoking your favorite pop song on a You tube video could get you in serious trouble.

This movement needs to spend more time in D.C, protesting in front of Capitol Hill over all this. We can't ignore what is going on over there. I understand occupying wall street, but we must also occupy capitol hill and the supreme court.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Hmm, not a minimalist with paragraphs. Still, if it is the constitution, then I'm good with it. I'm down for using the constitution to defend itself. Article 5.

Here is an actual strategy that uses article 5 and conducts lawful, peaceful rebellion.

Occupy Congress with this list as notification that the 99% considers them in violation of the constitution and their oaths. Here is the list of laws congress is violating.

Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.

5 U.S.C. 3333 required you to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,

5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,

18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.

The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.

Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.


In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311

http://www.foa5c.org/file.php/1/Articles/Coleman.htm

Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

Integrate those into a formal petititon with signers stating which congressperson is their representive.

Protestors show the above list to law enforcement at the site of protest. Explain all of the current problems are caused by the congressional violations of law and that the protst IS in the direct defense of the constitution.

How many cops are going to abuse citizens peacebly assembled in redress of specific grievance of violations of laws? Specifically congresses failure to call and article 5 convention while allowing media to abridge free speech. It has enabled treason.

Consider unconditional support for the constitution here at OWS.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/americans-unite-re-register-here-at-ows-forum-with/