Forum Post: Americans Unite. Re register here at OWS forum with ART5 after your user name. Show unity under the law in defense of the Constitution. Protect and Empower Protesters with the fact they are defending the constitution, whether they know it or not.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 30, 2011, 6:29 p.m. EST by ChristopherABrownART5
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This approach will gain wide support IF people are serious about seeing demands met and is the only possible strategy countering the potential co-opting of OWS by other interests perhaps sabotaging OWS's effectiveness. Then serving to justify things like mccain is involved with right now, SOPA, and the imprisonment issue of OHS origin.
The leaderless non accountability of OWS while not overtly defending the constitution, when very clearly every single demand they have is caused by violations of the constitution by various divisions of the federal government over the last 100 years; AND protesters depend on the constitutional rights for doing what they are doing under the OWS banner, is rather offensive to my sense of common logic in our society.
Enough! Compensate with understanding underlined with unity. You are the 99% and you are the leader. You have the authority to adopt any strategy that will work to meet demands and ruthlessly pursue that with reason, evidence and law. As a human of one nation under God you are permitted, indeed it is your genetic duty to express your instinctual compulsion to preserve the rule of natural law and assure survival IF you can. The US constitution happens to be the available tool for that.
Since it is fairly impossible to "overthrow the US government", you will end up simply apprehending the infiltrators and cease their treason under law by using article 5 of the US constitution, then restore constitutional government. Article 5 is your first and last constitutional right.
First thing, Occupy congress and provide formal notice that they are inviolation of the constituion, law and their oaths. We need to Occupy Congress and put them on notice with a petition of greivance. That starts the clock ticking on the 45 day contractual period of notice for them to begin to call state delegates for a convention to propose amendments.
This is a letter that actually cites the violations of law that congress is conducting at this moment having neglected, non feased and mal feased for so long we are seriously needing to engage remedy. This could be legitimately be used to Occupy Congress in constructive notice.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?3-Letter-to-your-Representatives
Then go to the states capitols. Find who understands that protests need to be organized upon states legislatures. Understand some legal aspects too. Here is a letter template, resolution form that can be sent to state legislatures asking them to work for an article V convention.
Article 5 is our first and last constitutional right. If we don't use it now, we will not have any rights. Freedom is not free. Unity is cheap compared to the demise of the nwo default with confused sheep, not free.
Educate yourselves about article V.
Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Lots of facts here about Article V. Lawsuit filed against all members of congress, video. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8
I'm in. This is the right track.
Article 5 NOW! Excellent! Unity around a concept of freedom and government accountability hard won by the Fremen of the English forests, then won again in the Revolutionary war, will be defended lawfully and peacefully in a revolution designed to be that way.
Article 5 is a lawful and peaceful revolution.
The key to this is peace and order. The ptb trying to shake us loose are doing everything possible to confuse us -hoping we will imagine that the laws that hold them accountable are null and void(they commit crime in full view rub our noses in it) hoping we will all clamor for abolishing the very thing that simultaneously protects us against them, AND holds them accountable. THE CONSTITUTION. Just because they are stomping on it does NOT mean we should throw it out!
OUR elected representIves took oaths to defend and uphold THE CONSTITUTION. We will hold them to that.
We MUST rally around article V and branch out from there.
Awesome BleeART5! Peace and order YES. Not like the chaos our infiltrated govenment is perpetrating. AGREEMENT is the key to our future. Simple agreement. Which agreement can we all make so that we have one to make NOW?
Excellent perceptions about the ptb trying to shake us loose from that which protects us. Our love of freedom, or rights and open accountable government, not to mention each fallen soldier fighting for them, or thinking they were.
THAT is something that needs to change. Soldiers need to have methods to peacefully, orderly, lawfully defend the constitution from domestic enemies.
Therein is a source of ultimate frustration, I'm sure. In fact at the bottom of probably all soldiers complaints today. If a soldier never thought of it, that doesn't matter, another soldier did and knew that such IS of the intent of the constitution even if they could not define it as such:) -
Yes, a major expenditure of tax and corporate dollars (after defrauding taxpayers) in a vast internet infrastructure of deceit, showing after some years use;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/09/1024519/-Threats-from-the-Invisible-Industry?showAll=yes&via=blog_481394 http://politics.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/ http://boingboing.net/2011/02/18/hbgarys-high-volume.html http://revolutionmessaging.com/2011/09/21/how-to-weed-out-astroturf-identifying-fake-public-support/ http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/16173.html http://veracitystew.com/2011/02/25/astroturfing-the-season-of-disinformation-video/ http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/04/25/cv-election-truthy-memes-twitter.html
yes the ptb are trying to confuse and distract us. Article 5 is a lawful and peaceful revolution. YES! They want us to think the laws our ancestors fought and died for are "null and void". Wrong!
The ignorant and lazy cause the rest to have their faces rubbed in the blatant treasons.
Yes!!!!!!!! By ignoring the constitution and defense of it we aquiese to the eventual removal of its authority.
"Just because they are stomping on it does NOT mean we should throw it out!'
EXCELLENT you are totally getting this. We need many more Americans like you in order to remain free.
I have been thinking that we can take this approach, along with, as many others as possible. The 3 r's took years to penetrate the general populations minds. Reduce, reuse, recycle. But now, we all have mandated recycle bins in our homes.
I am not sure, the people in general need to be "woken" up. I think they need to be conditioned. Can each OWS encampment get a fund to put up an advertisement in the local major city? If every city had a billboard that asked for good business practices, was easy to read, catchy and had children growing up for years seeing the slogan, then we could condition the response in the public to practice good business.
I ask this because we have been conditioned to accept that bad business practice is normal. We can change the laws. And when things calm down, "they" will sneak in and change it back, stealthy and slowly, over the years.
Starting now, we can 1. Change the laws, 2. Change our personal habits (buy local and organic) and 3. Rear our children with the belief that it is better to treat your employees, the planet and other nations, fair and justly.
This will accomplish
I'm In !!!!! This is real. Something we can all get behind.
Some new strategy has a place to gather conceptual opinion. To conduct an article 5 convention properly, the conditions must be improved to assure that it is fully constitutional. There is a poll here where you can leave your opinion and post in forums state by state.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?15-What-initial-amendments-will-improve-and-empower-the-conditions-of-a-convention
Great link! Thanks. Yes, It's pretty obvious that information is required for democracy. Article 5 is the ultimate form of democracy for America, indeed the world. Media grip on the truth has to be broken first...that is clear.
In reading information regarding Article 5, I came across a phrase "The Greater Meaning Of Free Speech". This, I think, describes the heart of what Article 5 needs. It is vital that free speech have its greatest meaning within Article 5. But how do we break the chains of the mass media to get this information to the people?
Hmmmm, you found it. "The Greater Meaning Of Free Speech", yes information for democracy. Information for humanity. Being sure that speech vital for survival is shared and understood. That's what it's all about.
Right now it is vital for article 5 and Americans need to understand that they need to know the truth in order to begin to protect themselves from elite forces that are running away with the economy and dumping the constitution.
Basically the best way to effect protecting the environment for an article 5 convention is to revise the first amendment to include the greater meaning of free speech.
**Draft of revised First Amendment
REV. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
EXISTING: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.**
People seem afraid to change the first amendment, but most of them have never really tried hard to use it. They don't know that it is broken. Free speech is abridged. Information vital for survival cannot be shared and understood.
This is a question which reasonably can be asked of any critic of the proposal to revise the first amendment. And until they come up with parents willing to ignore these things for their childrens futures, they should not interfere in anyway.
Which mother or father in this nation will ignore or pass up the real opportunity to assure their child will grow into a nation that holds high and honors understanding that can create; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness?
In "The Greater Meaning Of Free Speech", I found this;
"Officially implemented, as a federal law recognized by all states, citizens would only have to gather a group with a common understanding based in facts, of information reasonably shown as vital, also showing how the presentation/perspective of such is currently lacking from the public information, satisfying the requsites public must have to invest in the creation of an understanding of the vital information from which can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Citizens with issues developed in this way, and a relatively small petition qualifying, would have a right to see compulsive state and federal control over network broadcasting licensure in order to compel adequate production funding and national broadcasting to effect the education of the public on given subjects."
Which is the best way I think to get power back to the people, with a necessary transparancy. It basically states that the only proof that is needed to show that any issue is prevalent enough to require action by the federal government on behalf of the people, is quite simply, that enough people congregate and put language to the same issue and bring it forth to the government. At which time the government must be compelled to behave with accountability to it's citizens. With mass media being the best way to reach the people, the government would need to have an exclusive percentage of media, a transparant state and federal government channel for this very purpose.
Simplicity itself. Funny how the simplest solutions work the best. The NWO has become insidiously proficient in using subterfuge to make peope think that politics are too complex for people to understand and take an active role in.
In deciding who and how many people bring these issues to the government, we will need some sort of system of fairness in place to help navigate the issues that doesn't end up in hierarchical or dictatorial leadership of the citizens and leaves the possibility open for anyone to be a part of the process so long as they show the ability to handle the responsibility of the task at hand. Perhaps some sort of meritocracy. This system, albeit more instinctual, is used by animals and species that live in large numbers, or communities, if you will. Meritocracy is somewhat like this but with human reason and rationale.
Okay, yes, you found the process that a citizen would have to engage in order utilize the greater meaning of free speech. It's important that it not be too easy because then media can complain that everyone would be using it and there would be no primetime for them to profit on.
Very important to be reasonable and show that the revision of the 1st amendment is not going to be the kind of thing that took their buisness away from them. When you can show that, their main complaint is diminished. Showing that the info is currently lacking on public media AND that it creates the needed undertstanding of a vital issue, fully justifies the burden on commercial media.
What I like about is this. Media now refuses to tell the truth about some issues. When the truth comes out, their malfesance and neglect become more onerous and destructive to public interest. Then the commercial media has to try and "one up" the public in order to save face. Oh man, talk about a tough pill for the PTB. HA!
If media doesn't at least make an effort, the public will hate them and try to replace them:) -
Yes, In my dreams, I have grand visions of OWS marching down to and hijacking the tv stations, removing the crew and "cast" as in actors, then speaking to the masses about some serious $**t! Did you ever see the movie "Scrooged" where they hijack a tv show and Bill Murray talks to the masses about what Christmas and humanity should really be about? We could tell the masses who the Ruling Elite REALLY are, all the crimes against humanity, all the distortions of history. Oh man, I can just see the oligarchs faces. They'd scatter like rats on a sinking ship.
You know what? All they have to know is that Occupy is going for an article 5 and working on giving speech its vital meanings, and they are going to be thinking about "scatter".
I made this thread the other day to record support for the concept of preparation for an article 5 convention by making 2 amendments. One ends the campaign finance problem and the other ends the media problem.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?15-What-initial-amendments-will-improve-and-empower-the-conditions-of-a-convention
Cool! This poll should be plastered all over the OWS website. Too bad there isn't a place on the site where simple polls could be placed, separate from the forum threads. It would allow OWS to take shape and get a clear direction by consensus, simply by virtue of how many people voted on each topic. The most important topics would rise to the top. Article 5, coming from the common sense point of view as well as people's deep desire to be heard and understood is certainly one of those that rise to the top.
Not only that, but another area could be put in place where people with expertise and other skills could be listed, and citizens could use a tallying vote so that when the time comes for the amendments and an Article 5 convention, the most suitable people will have been meritocratically voted in.
That's a good idea about a poll here on this site. If you presented that at the NYCGA they might be to be open to it because the site has little functional product besides loosely organized discussion of impermanent relationships. It brings many like minded people together, but how do they show that unspoken agreement beside posting in text, "YES I AGREE", it goes nowhere beyond the thread.
I tried to explain the site owner that it was going to be hard to get people to register at the site when there was basically nobody on the forum. Meaning the promotion for the site, custom designed for dealing with Article 5, needs to be done here.
"YES I AGREE", haha! So, assuming this site isn't set up this way, with little more than this forum, in that it intentionally wants it to "go nowhere beyond this thread", I wonder why it hasn't already set up some sort of voting area for possible strategies? It just seems like this would be a logical thing to do.
They could even select a few good issues and make "petition site" polls with links on the main forum page to see what people think about different strategies.
I'd like to see that for strategies of occupation styles and where to apply different, or why. Camping, sponsering homeless people, who end up there anyway, day protest only, such matters really are better based on publc opinion.
Article 5 Convention ~ Have you seen these guys? This is a group of Police Officers actively against the New World Order. I think they would jump at the chance to use a legal and nonviolent vehicle like the Article 5 Convention to stop the Ruling Elite maniacs. Could be worth getting in touch with.
http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/vk2k.shtml
OMG! A genuine American engaging unity behind the constitution
You are soooooooo appreciated. What an awsome, conscious thing to do.
Awesome! Our constitution is something we can unify behind and dissolve every difference we have with regard to its meaning because it IS designed to be a societal tool to enable people to work together to meet their needs. Unconditional support for this concept IS going to save our nation, our rights, our freedoms and our futures.
+25... THank you for your post. I hope more peple avial themselves of the information you provided.
Your nations children will appreciate your unconditional, support for a reasonable, peaceful and lawful rebellion.
If I were a protester I would be talking to others with OWS right now wondering why the protests are not taking advantage of the obvious immunities that must be afforded to actions that seek to defend the constitution.
When protestors stand and read something like the below and cops are listening, it will be obvious they know the protestors ARE in the right, completely lawful AND acting in defense of the constitution.
The protesters wil properly shame them. If the protestors are peaceful and well behaved, making their point, the shame grows just for being there PRETENDING there is a reason to oppose or control.
Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.
5 U.S.C. 3333 required you to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,
5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,
18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.
The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.
Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.
In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311
http://www.foa5c.org/file.php/1/Articles/Coleman.htm
Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
loving this and loving you, Article 5 is the way.. but.. i won't re-register...sorry..
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/911_was_an_inside_Job
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Article_5_Convention
But, but, but, . . . then how will people know that you support article 5 unconditionally at a simple glance?
uhm. i dunno. but gawdoftruthart5 somehow just loses its power by over focusing. i suppose i could update my information... all i can do is the best i can do. Article 5 is clearly the big thing to focus on here...The golden solution..
So i am all for it...
but i am a thoughtful person not a drum banger...
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Well, the drum bangers seem to have a certain power, something done just before war perhaps awakens a primordial fear in the hearts of authority. The absolutely need to have the best representation and guidence that is for certain. At least that which completely serves the purposes they stand for whether or not they can articualte that functionally or not.