Forum Post: Every communist revolution has needed a leader. We need one now.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 21, 2011, 9:16 a.m. EST by communistbob
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Frankly OWS is going nowhere without one. We need a leader who represents our views. He or she needs to be the proxy between us and the media to get the word out to our corrupt and greedy politicians and lead our revolution. Maybe we can nominate Michael Moore or Cornel West?
Communism = does not work with leader. Not that I am supporting Communism, but lets not forget Stalin and the many other Communist leaders. Leader and Communism is an oxymoron.
you're actually correct. Communism's most fitting system is DIRECT democracy. Literally. Its the whole point of it. I read Marx, not propaganda.
At least you come out and admit you are a communist. Should talk to your brothers in arms who are too scared to be openly communist or marxist. Lets all see your faces, so we can laugh at you and your .001%. Nobody agrees with you in America except a very very tiny group of people. You are why the movement is not going anywhere. We don't want communism in America, we just want an end to corruption. Communism is notoriously corrupt, so why would we replace one bad system with an even worse one?
You must be a paid shill from FAUX NEWS. Open your eyes. North Korea and Cuba have ZERO unemployment rates and their children are far healthier and happier. End corporate greed NOW.
Hahahahahaha!
North Korea? You are going to point to them as an example?
You need to watch this documentary made by an eye physician that was allowed into the country and secretly filmed what goes on.
http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographic-Inside-North-Korea/dp/B000M2E34K
it may be on Netflix or YouTube but you would never want to live there.
As for Cuba, Even they are changing their ways, Just this past November 3 is an example: Cuba announced a new property law Thursday that promises to allow citizens and permanent residents to buy and sell real estate — the most significant market-oriented change yet approved by the government of Raúl Castro..
This is the biggest propaganda garbage made by elites who want to protect their interests that I have seen ever in my life. Capitalist countries plundered communistic countries and made them so poor that they eventually had to convert to capitalism, which in turn made the rich richer. Guess who benefited as a result? OPEN YOUR EYES
LOL North Korea has people living like slaves in camps. They murder their own people if there is even a HINT of free will or independent thinking. The country is blighted and 95% live in abject poverty. Get an education before you start spouting this stuff. Communism is only a hyper oligarchy, the very thing you are currently against. Except communists have no compassion for anyone. You are a commodity to be discarded at the whim of a leader. You are so tragically uninformed.
Jimboiam, you should really educate yourself before you insult others of their intelligence. You are the most illiterate and dumbest capitalist pig I have come across. Have you watched the Academy-award winning Inside Job or Michael Moore's Capitalism Love Story? OPEN YOUR EYES and notice how capitalism is destroying you and your children.
I have 22 years experience running business, and 25 years experience studying history and political science, apart from traveling around the world. I have seen what communism is like. Its the same as unregulated capitalism, without any compassion by the government. You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have confirmed that you are a paid corporate shill only looking out for the 1% because you are a part of the 1%. This movement doesn't involve you. Go away.
Who cares if Jimboaim is paid by someone or not? His motive is his motive, you should be fighting his arguments. What you did is a lame logical fallacy: appeal to motive.
Ha i am not paid by anyone and i am definitely not 1%. I love America, and the freedoms that it still has. And there is no way i am letting the communists or marxists who want to enslave my American brothers and sisters to have any voice if i can help it. Communism stands for enslavement, torture, corruption, and massive poverty.
Did you just say North Korean children are happier than American children?
Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ZrP40wdlg
Sorry I had to open your eyes to look past the propaganda made by corporate shills who want to protect their interests and steal money from people like you and me.
Sorry, but I'm happy to have been born in Canada. We have free health-care and on top of that we can leave the country and speak our minds. Amazing right! Also, people can visit our country without having to be held by the hand of a protective guide. If you visit North Korea, you can't go anywhere without being accompanied by governmental agents. Wonderful.
BTW - That video is pure propaganda for the North Korean regime. You're too funny! You must be a troll trying to denigrate Occupy. I can't believe anyone would honestly think Korea children are well off.
No country in the world ever in history did communism the way Marx intended it. In fact, they were all just totalitarian dictatorships who wanted everyone to be poor. I'm tired of the scumcrud Cuba North Korea Soviet Russia redundance. People who have never read the Manifesto have no merit to speak against a comrade. Although I think this post is somewhat reeking of Troll fungus, I do think America can benfit from Marxist-inspired policies, you know, like free healthcare, college and such? And oh did I say zero-capital-driven government corruption? And true direct democracy? Oh and, you know, the WORKERS having voices? No such thing as a lazy communist either. To be communist is to be pro-worker, pro-proletariat. Read.
Iv'e read my fair share thank you.
I think it's safe to say communistbob is not serious and only trying to smear Occupy. I believe Occupy is mainly made up of anarcho-communists, but I would be really surprised if any of them thought North-Korea was better off than America. North-Korea is not only communist, it's a dictatorship. That's absolutely against anarchist beliefs. His trick might have worked had he been more subtle, but most trolls here are way too obvious.
Or Julien Assange... oh, wait...
Or one of the 99%
dude you ahve to realize that a lot of the supporters are students or grown men. people with sense. i support the movement but to me it seems like a charade because its like a bandwagon. no one really wants to grow balls and start using some real guerrilla tactics to get heard. all this "non-violent" ghandi mlk stuff is bs. if OWS really wants to get heard they need to start getting more physical and strategic.
people are to scared to take up arms against injustice.
We need more than one leader...we need many leaders to step up and start moving this thing in a productive direction. Can you lead?
http://www.youshouts.com/viewforum.php?f=3
Shout it loud, shout it today!
i nominate dom deluise unless hes dead in which case i nominate phil spector as he is one of americas most celebrated political prisoners
we don't need communism either. we don't need capitalism. we don't need socialism. we need a new democratic economic system one where the people have THE voice in making economic decisions.
Communism gives EVERYONE a voice, like Occupy's consensus process. Capitalism only funnels the fruits of labor to the corporate elite and channels greed to keep the top 1% from stealing what we rightfully own. Ask Michael Moore what he thinks of capitalism. He'll laugh in your face.
I can't take you seriously. I believe you are actually against the occupy movement. I don't need to ask Michael Moore about capitalism. he's already said what he thinks? have you listened to what he said about it? Have you listened to what he thinks about communism? I may be wrong, but, it appears that you do not know these things. I don't believe you are a communist. I believe you are a right-wing wacko actually that thinks they are clever by posing as a communist. hope you are having a good laugh. there are a lot of good Americans out there today hurting, but, its more important for you to get a good laugh for yourself.
This is not a communist revolution!
The transitional state prescribed by Karl Marx has proven to be a complete failure time and time again!
WRONG. North Korea and Cuba have FREE HEALTHCARE for their children. The healthcare in those countries are first-class. Communism is the only way to get ourselves out of this pain and suffering before more of our children die from starvation.
Canada has free health care. Why doesn't that count as one of your examples? One could argue Canadian children have a much better lifestyle than North Korean children. For one, they have freedom of speech and can leave their country.
Run along little commie. Nobody buys your garbage. Go emigrate to North Korea if you think it is so great. The CPUSA has less than .1% popularity in America. Clearly you are a fringe group. There are more nutso Scientologists than there are communists, and they believe in a frickin space alien. Hahahahaha
Actually, the polls may be wrong. I've never put my voice out there, nor alot of people I know. Most commies are in hiding thanks to the 60 years of anti-comm propaganda that has been invested in the USA media. Also, quit naming TOLTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS. There is no existing communist country that is Marxist democracy!
And there never will be, and that is the point. There are only two forms of government. A Republic which is by the people, or an Oligarchy. That's it. Which one does a marxist or communist system ALWAYS operate under. The Oligarchy. America is moving toward an Oligarchy and that is the problem. Pushing it further in that direction isn't the answer, pulling it back to our Republic is the answer. FYI i didn't bring up cuba or north korea as examples, he did.
Why do you need sumone else to tell you what to do and this isn't a communist movement. Your sarcasm is very rude and you can easily see you aren't a supporter of occupy.
I'm sorry, but I think you haven't been to one of our Occupy gatherings. There are more communists there than there are capitalists, so don't tell me this isn't a communist movement. You are uninformed. Sorry.
Che Guevara's revolution wouldn't have happened without Che Guevara. This movement is going NOWHERE without our own Che Guevara.
Well tell me what communism is?? Because I thought a movement against corporate welfare would be called capitalism...
The movement has been using communist style posters from the start. Some of the posters are exact copy of old Russian communist posters. Occupy is anarcho-communist. There's no debating.
Posters ??? Ok the fist is what u are unsettled about?? Pretty sure that fist was used during the civil rights movement too. It is usually used in defiance to govt. Not necessarily just communism.
I'm not talking about the fist. The fist is a general image used by many movements and simply represents "power to the people". I'm talking about clear communist imagery and the use of poster replicas from the Russian communist regime.
http://alternativenewsreport.net/occupy-wall-st-puppeteered/communist-socialist-propaganda/
So you are anti communist??? Or just anti communist poster??
I'm not anti-communist nor an anti-communist poster. I'm simply telling you Occupy is an anarcho-communist movement. It's a statement of fact. It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. And, even if I was, what's the point of trying to pull an appeal to motive fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_motive
I concur. I have noticed that from the beginning. If you want to know about communism, I recommend reading where it came from: a pamphlet called The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. It will blow your MIND. Not only does he raise notions regarding women's rights and how it ties into economics, but he talks about children, he talks about different methods to approach revolution, he goes into detail using historical examples and such. I've only disagreed with maybe one or two insignifigant points. Very great, very exciting book. Also, there was an anarcho-communist table at OWS called class War Camp. They had educated, intelligent speakers.
Read a pamphlet by Karl Marx. You're funny! What makes you assume I haven't read books by Karl Marx. Man, you have no idea who you are talking to.
Who else would you like to nominate? Let's make a list!
Cornel West...... a communist?
Communist?
Glad you commies don't like guns, it makes you easier to pick off when you don't shoot back.
You'll never have communism in the US, there are more people like me than there are people like you and unlike you we have no problems with ending YOUR lives to ensure OUR freedoms.
Over the years I've seen a lot of people die some really horrible deaths, so I won't lose a wink of sleep over watching your kind die either.
There are more people like me than there are like you, and we have the guns, remember that.