Forum Post: Ebola, the latest 'it' disease to fear unnecessarily. EVERY GOD DAMN YEAR FOR A DECADE RUNNING!
Posted 10 years ago on Oct. 1, 2014, 12:25 p.m. EST by StillModestCapitalist
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Yet again, we are being told by the sold-out corporate affiliated media what we 'need to know' about the latest 'it' disease. For the 2014/2015 season, it's Ebola. Well, because the sold-out corporate affiliated media has a conflict of interest, and a LOUSY record of broadcasting anything remotely resembling common sense, I will attempt to do so for them.
First of all, I find it EXTREMELY suspicious that the 'first' case of Ebola 'diagnosed' in the US was admitted in Texas while the last American with Ebola to return from Liberia was admitted on the East Coast. That spread of over 1000 miles effectively spreads the 'fear' of Ebola across the entire country.
Coincidence? Maybe not. After all, it would have made more sense in my book to isolate him in the same fashion as the last case and fly him to the same hospital on the East Coast where the last case was flown for 'treatment' and supposedly cured. Instead, they effectively spread fear nationwide by admitting the latest case near the opposite end of the country.
That being said, I am seriously considering the possibility that Ebola was flown into this country for the purpose of spreading more hypochondriac fear, thus driving tens or hundreds of thousands more to the emergency room to have their VERY COMMON symptoms checked, thereby driving the cost and the profits for healthcare UP AGAIN. Also for the purpose of securing YET ANOTHER batch of VERY expensive and unnecessary meds to be purchased by our sold-out government. Historically, these meds have ended up expiring and going to waste.
Without further adieu and in total contrast to what is currently being broadcast live on CNN and every other major network.
What we 'need to know' about Ebola:
NOTHING. NOT A GOD DAMN THING UNLESS YOU ARE PLANNING A TRIP TO LIBERIA. OTHERWISE NOT A GOD DAMN THING. YOU ARE A THOUSAND TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE IN A CAR ACCIDENT ON YOUR WAY TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM TO BE CHECKED FOR EBOLA THAN YOU ARE TO ACTUALLY CONTRACT EBOLA.
JESUS GOD DAMN FUCKING CHRIST CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX, AND EVERY OTHER NETWORK. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY YOU SOLD OUT COMMERCIALLY MOTIVATED FEAR MONGERING PIGS.
Update: A CNN newscaster just coughed during the live Ebola segment. What are the odds? That clinches it.
They are all up to no good. You mark my words people. YOU MARK MY WORDS. Like the previous half dozen 'it' diseases hyped up in order to promote excessive healthcare intervention thereby driving up profits, this one will go down in history as YET ANOTHER 'it' disease to kill only a handful of Americans while SCARING THE HOLY HELL out of MILLIONS.
CALM THE FUCK DOWN PEOPLE. YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO DROWN IN YOUR WASHING MACHINE.
And if you get the opportunity, then please, for the good of society, smack a newscaster right in the face. HARD.
The cdc has stated the greatest disease threat facing our world is the failure of pharmaceutical companies to develop antibiotics to keep up with evolving germs like staph which has become the MRSA strain. The would rather make Viagra and drugs that cost more and make larger profits. Currently there is not one company developing new antibiotics...even as the food industry contaminates our meat and milk as well as gmo products decreasing the effectiveness of those we already have.
The corporate-profit model of economic distribution of goods fails all of us worldwide. Ask MRSA, MERS, and Ebola if the color of your skin protects you, you will get No, No, and No!
If Africa has a million cases of Ebola, will it bleed to the U.S.? Yes!
We are not helpless though because culture matters and cultural practices can be improved.
The CDC has it's place but I do strongly suspect that they conspire with the healthcare industry to drive up profits. In fact, I'm absolutely sure of it.
I see your point regarding the more profitable drugs.
FDR said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."
If the number of Ebola cases grows at the current rate of doubling every three weeks, the crisis must end by the end of 2015. Do the math and you will see why. If the promised (but still undelivered) surge does not bend the curve soon, NO ONE will even care about the numbers any more by New Year's Eve of 2015 - there would be more important things to do.
Grapes, you are spreading more irrational fear and I'm not going to let it go unchecked. I have asked you several times to give me your best educated guess regarding the NUMBER of American lives lost to Ebola between now and April 1st of 2015 when I fully intend to say "I told you so." You have responded to my repeated requests for that best guess with excuses and diversionary tactics.
You are behaving as if you have something to lose if people calm down. I find this to be EXTREMELY suspicious. My suspicion is that you have a financially motivated dog in the fight. Either a position in media, a position in healthcare or an investment made.
I'm giving you one last chance to give me your best guess regarding the number of AMERICAN lives lost to Ebola between now and April 1st of 2015. If you do not answer or answer with yet more games, I will create a page challenging you to answer.
I will be proven right on April 1st of 2015. That's a given. You may as well count on a VERY BIG 'I TOLD YOU SO' thrown right in your face on April 1st of 2015 unless you answer the question.
Based on what you know today, how many American lives do you expect Ebola to claim between now and April 1st of 2015?
Show me you know math.
my whole life is a show without a payoff
Learn how NOT to work for a capitalist but for a community instead.
The concept of 'exponential growth' is old news and incredibly easy to grasp with no research whatsoever. The old 'start with a penny and multiply by ten ten times' game is based on the concept. IT'S OLD NEWS. You may as well ask me to name the first President.
The answer is $100,000,000. There. I know math. Now answer the question. Keeping in mind that it's not that simple.
Based on what you know today, how many American lives do you expect Ebola to claim between now and April 1st of 2015?
Show the process of your computation with 3400 dead by now, doubling every 20 days, to April Fools' Day, 2015. How many will be dead? As for how many American dead by then, it will be determined by the psyche of Americans - read Micah White's article - so the media are working on that.
Up to now, the world community has mostly ignored the Ebola crisis. Who uttered the phrases "unlikely," "well-prepared," etc.? And where are we now with Ebola having arrived in Dallas, an American city. Even the emergency rooms that I thought might have saved us had failed us, AFTER the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital personnel had just been trained to handle Ebola.
exponential growth in
interest and communicable diseases
can quickly get to large to handle
Both of these curves need to be whacked, bent down, or expunged.
The Liberia growth curve, even if accurately represented by the media, which I doubt, has no chance to apply anywhere near as significantly in rich, fertile, comfortable, developed countries with abundant supplies of food and fresh water. Not to mention indoor plumbing, toilets, and water treatment centers.
No chance whatsoever.
I stand by the guarantee.
Thank you for trying to calm me down. I think I might have been oversensitized by the horrors of the 1918 flu. I was careful about H1N1 flu for good reason but to no avail. I wonder a bit if I was actually lucky for having ancestors who had survived the 1918 culling (90%+ dead in the immediate clan) so I had some genetic advantage against H1N1.
1918 influenza - airborne transmission - stone age medical technology and understanding of disease - WWI and mass transport of troops in enclosed spaces ( Training Camps - barracks - Staging areas - barracks - Troop Trains - Troop transport ships ) for long periods of time - and then release into the general population at their points of departure and arrival.
We do not live under any of these same conditions that served to be so ripe for the transmission of the influenza.
Filovirus has RNA subject to much higher rate of mutation than DNA. Every person harboring the Ebola filovirus is like a human incubating vat for new varieties of the Ebola-Zaire virus. Some strains of Ebola were already airborne so the possibilities are there, greatly increased if we get a few hundred thousands of human incubating vats going in parallel in a few months.
[ edit ] WHhhaaaattttt ??? Where the hell did you hear that? Show documentation from a trustworthy medical source.
edit-> If you can't provide well respected documentation - then all you have got is a wild - who the hell knows where it came from - Rumor/wild story.
Ebola-Reston (now Reston virus) in monkeys was airborne but no human-to-human transmission occurred. After the Ebola outbreak in Uganda, Canadian researchers demonstrated transmission of Ebola from piglets to macaque monkeys.
Kind of a milkmaid cow pox immunity to small pox - experience?
BTW - is this from the same tabloid source - article?
RNAs are not structurally sound. That was probably why most lifeforms use DNAs instead of RNAs. RNAs engage in "sex." That is why the damned flu's are still with us because they keep mutating and recombine in different hosts. Ebola-Reston (now Reston virus) and Ebola-Zaire are different strains but they are closely related. If we got enough RNA "sex" going in many hosts, we may get really unlucky and get an airborne pandemic.
Ahhh! Look at the whole face instead of just the nose.
[ edit ] So looking at that link http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1005845/pg1 - the monkeys were placed close enough for contact from saliva from the piglets. So not blood borne contact - but bodily fluid contact. So - so far nothing new - as bodily fluids are already being noted as to avoid contact with.
edit-> and again - not a scientific publication - but basically an unsubstantiated Opinion Piece = no link to the actual study nor links to any study to replicate the findings of the original study either.
You did not look at the detailed link below that in the same comment. I guess that is the problrm of someone summarizing. I tend to use people's comments as pointers or hints to dig deeper.
Airborne is a fuzzy concept. The assurers use it in the technical sense, i.e. nothing like measles or flu. For most people I guess it means breathing in the same room perhaps three feet apart. The study showed that in the non-technical sense, there was airborne transmission. I wonder if this deliberate swerving to assure the public also got the medical professionals messed up. I am thinking of the U.S. doctors and medical personnels infected in Africa.
Show the studies. Though - also Note - that if the monkey to monkey airborne strain is real -? - that that strain has not made it to being a human contagion yet - so is not relevant at this point in time. BTW - How was the study done - two monkeys not allowed any physical contact or sharing of facilities - ? - or what?
Query - were the piglets just put into a location where they could make casual contact with the monkeys? or was transmission achieved by injection?
Humans were infected but exhibited mild symptoms and no additional infection in humans was found for the Ebola leak in Reston, Virginia.
Here was what I looked up quite a while ago because I felt creepy about getting assurances.
And have a wide spread network of health care centers and an understanding of make no unprotected physical contact - and supplies to make that no unprotected physical contact possible.
It still makes me feel uneasy that Thomas Eric Duncan was released from the emergency room visit. What good do all these centers do if they cannot isolate the patients?
Nigeria isolated about 500 people for just one Patrick Sawyer. It seems that the number of people isolated for every patient is at least 10 to 100, fairly big numbers.
That hospital fuck-up should not have happened - but it did - hopefully they have corrected their communication problem - hopefully other Care Treatment centers have taken note as well as have been contacted by the national health alert system and will do a better job having had this error pointed out. Thing is - there was a follow-up procedure that went into action to trace that man's rout and possible contacts and quarantine has been enacted on those who had possible contact.
Like I said - we are fortunate that this is not an airborne transmission disease. We are also fortunate that health care - medicine - is no longer in the cave man era of understanding and practice.
I do take some comfort in that the U.S. can react fast due to its communicative capacity. I just hope that people take precautions meticulously.
The medical community should already be well practiced in contact transmission prevention due to MRSA.
Perhaps Spain is not a developed country "with abundant supplies of food and fresh water. Not to mention indoor plumbing, toilets, and water treatment centers." Dogs are potential Ebola transmitters.
Do we need to stop walking our dogs outside to pee and poop or do we need to diaper our dogs soon?
I surely hope that it doesn't come to that-even though I have a PHD in Fecal Engineering,courtesy of the People and Animals of the City of New York.
We may need your PhD guidance as to how best to avoid dogs from sticking their noses into utility poles, trees, and fire hydrants where bodily fluids of other dogs or humans may be found.
What companies make diapers for dogs? Do we need to worry about feral cats, too?
We may not want to curb the population of feral cats in NYC unless we have first made sure that the mice and rats so numerous there (wrestling tournaments of mice near NYPD headquarter [may well be fed by the doughnut debris from cops' snacks] in broad daylight and foot-long rat in midtown at night) do not get out of control. I am assuming that the feral cats are killing the mice and rats.
We always need to worry about Feral Cats.The even exist in Antarctica-an astonishing true factoid.I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this,but there are companies currently manufacturing Diapers,Asswipes AND Sanitary Napkins for Dogs-because you can make a Profit doing it-Believe It Or Not.As for the contagion,I guess we are going to find out EVERYTHING we Never Wanted To Know about the Ebola.
And it is proclaimed on tv ( what - by their prime minister or something ? ) - that Spain has the best medical health care system in the world ( or was that one of the best ? ). Anyway what a sad statement for world health care - when a nurse who was taking care of a patient with Ebola complains of feeling ill and is not taken seriously.
I think that the best and one of the best health care systems have already been covered by the U.S. and Spain, as having been claimed many times before. After all there were rulers of countries seeking medical care from them. Both countries' health care systems seem to be reluctant to recognize that Ebola can possibly be for real. Maybe it is the corollary to the "Take two aspirins and call me tomorrow" classic doctoring.
Well when one considers that there are still major areas of the world with no access to health care ( Dr.s or medicine ) it can be an easy claim to make = being one of the best. Sad that that claim is set to such a low bar overall.
As expected. More diversionary BS. I will create the page challenging you for a straight answer. and I'll be pointing at you saying 'look at the fear mongering moron' on April 1st of 2015 when your fear mongering crap has been thoroughly proven utterly absurd. and again at the end of next year when your 'game over 2015' crap has become the most colossal fear mongering blunder of all time.
I'm telling you that Ebola will kill FEWER than ONE out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND Americans. In all likelihood, A LOT FEWER.
I would say that you can take that to the bank but I strongly suspect that you were hoping instead to cash in on mass hysteria.
By the way, how many of those 3400 dead are Americans? Why did Ebola 'break out' in Liberia and not in a rich, fertile, comfortable, and developed country instead?
uh. but. err. because. umm. you don't. it's the math. umm. sigh.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I'll be pointing at you saying 'there goes the fear mongering moron' on April 1st of 2015.
I trust numbers if they are real. I trust some people in my life greatly but that excludes the majority of Americans who let my country be taken over by corruption. I know how not to be a fool with hubris so yes, it saved me from the Great Recession. I do not do highly non-linear predictions because I do not see around the corners as most drivers cannot. I see a ravine ahead and steer clear away but if we fall or not depends on whether my horse (the U.S. populace) responds well. I wish that I have Reagan, a good horse rider, with me.
Well, then. I will be proven psychic on April 1st. Because I'm telling you that not one, not two, not three, but ALL of the Ebola fear mongers regardless of their level of 'expertise' or 'inside knowledge' will be proven DEAD WRONG.
Ebola will kill FEWER than ONE out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICANS. In all likelihood, A LOT FEWER.
The page will be created today.
Be sure to show how you arrive at your "guarantee." It is good if you can add our private messages verbatim, too.
I've already explained how I arrived at my guarantee. With a combination of reading between the lines and common sense.
I stand by the guarantee with absolute certainty.
It is now 10:10 AM. 16 more minutes have passed. Grapes is taking his sweet time yet again. Still refusing to make a simple one-line prediction. At this moment, he is either ignoring my request hoping that it will just fade away or he is typing yet another long winded excuse 'teching up' the issue unnecessarily as if it is not humanly possible to make a simple prediction based on current knowledge.
I stand by the absolute guarantee. Ebola will kill a handful of Americans. FAR fewer than one out of every five hundred thousand. Unfortunately, the irrational fear will drive hundreds of thousands to the emergency room unnecessarily. Damn near all of the Ebola meds purchased by the US government will be thrown out or at best, sent to Africa.
Although I suspect it, I am not certain that Ebola was flown into America as part of a calculated plan to drive up healthcare profits and secure that US government purchase but I AM certain that Ebola is being hyped up unnecessarily for the very purpose of driving up healthcare profits. No doubt whatsoever. I stand by the guarantee with absolute certainty.
Guarantee means nothing in reality if you understand why I can "guarantee" 2015 will be the end of this outbreak of Ebola.
Fischer Black once said that Wall Street market is far from being efficient when viewed closeup. If you can trace how he and his economist cadre are connected through human avarice of banks to cause the Great Recession of 2006-2011, you may humble your guarantee much more. 9/11/2001 had ample warnings (during the white-Negro carpetbagger regime) but the U.S. was under the ideologically fanatic Texass regime.
Ebola crisis is similar to the runup to 9/11/2001 providing ample warnings but I suspect that MERS can be worse although Saudi Arabia is opposite from Liberia on the wealth scale and is likelier to contain a contagious disease better. If you are into finance, you should try to understand the "black swan." All "swans" (H1N1, SARS, MERS, Ebola, [Russia's sovereign debt default and Asian Contagion causing the collapse of the too-profitable-to-fail] LTCM, JP Morgan Chase, 0-interest credit, CountryWide, Joe-6-pack, Standard & Poor Ratings Agency, Morgan-Stanley, Citi, Merrill-Lynch, Bear-Stearns, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc.) are white until you no longer keep an eye on them and one of them turns "Black-Scholes-Merton."
I'm not denying the existence of Ebola. I'm only swearing to you with absolute certainty that it is being hyped up unnecessarily and to an OUTRAGEOUS AND TOTALLY ILLOGICAL extent for the purpose of spreading more hypochondriac fear thus, driving up healthcare profits.
I stand by the guarantee.
CDC director Thomas Frieden was greatly astonished at how bad things got in West Africa regarding Ebola when he went there to see for himself. WHO was underestimating the potential impact of Ebola because it missed the boat, although not entirely its fault. CDC knows diseases' growth potential well so it has revised its estimate greatly. Yes, it itself was alarmed. The security implication is dire if Ebola does get out of hand in Africa. There are already Boko Haram in Nigeria, al-Shabab in Somalia, al-Nusra, etc.
The U.S. media had been briefed en masse a while back by the CDC so they were primed - a little bit like arrows already mounted on the drawn bows. With the breach of the well-reiterated mantra "Ebola cannot get to the U.S.," they naturally shoot out. Profits drive many things in a capitalistic economy but malevolence is less likely as long as the pursuit of profits are not considered evil.
But the pursuit of obscene or ill-gotten profits ARE evil. They spread corruption like wildfire.
Like I said in a previous entry, I am absolutely certain that the CDC conspires with the healthcare industry in order to drive up profits. The same goes for the corporate affiliated 'for profit' media. It's called 'cross marketing'. After all, it was just a few years ago that H1N1 was widely referred to as a 'public emergency'. It drove hundreds of thousands to the hospital unnecessarily. SARS, bird flu, smallpox, West Nile, malaria, Hepatitis, ect. There has been a widely reported 'it' disease to fear EVERY SINGLE YEAR for a decade running. ALL of them drove up industry profits but not one of them has proven worthy of the widespread fear. This is no coincidence. We live in the most profound era of greed and fraud ever. The health care industry is no exception. They have been CAUGHT perpetrating OUTRIGHT FRAUD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I can post 20 links to prove it.
If you're just a user with an opinion and not a healthcare rep with a commercially motivated dog in the fight, then I respect your opinion and what you're trying to accomplish here. But no matter how much you 'tech up' this debate, I will not be phased. After all, the technical aspects of these 'it' diseases are always teched up. All of them without exception.
In this profound era of greed and fraud, there are two things to consider before taking the word of an 'expert'.
1. The knowledge of said 'expert'.
2. Their motive.
Of course, the corporate media and the healthcare industry both have a conflict of interest. A number of public figures do as well. I'm not accusing you of anything but I am curious. Do you have one as well? Not that a conflict of interest necessarily indicates deceit. Sometimes, they are unavoidable. But I am curious.
I was immobilized by H1N1 carried home from the germ factories known otherwise as schools. I do not have conflict of interest. I do not want any repeat with me or my loved ones so I presume that most people do not want to gain that experience, with Ebola or otherwise.
What Ebola medicine was purchased by the U.S. government? I really hope that something safe and effective is available. We are right now going against an exponential-growth curve in West Africa. A little difference in response time will make a huge difference in the outcome. I sure hope that I do not have to watch the tobacco plants grow ZMapp to rescue me.
They have been dropping hints. That's all I need to guarantee that a HUGE 'no bid' government purchase is in the works. Damn near all of the Ebola meds purchased by the US government will expire or at best, be sent to Africa where they MAY do some good.
I stand by the guarantee.
What Ebola meds?
The Ebola meds that have or will soon be purchased by the US government. Damn near all of them will expire because they were never needed in America to begin with or at best, they will be sent to Africa where they MAY do some good.
I stand by the guarantee.
Name the Ebola meds. The U.S. is nearly useless on the production front of Ebola medicines. Canada is a better prospect because it went through SARS hell so it was highly sensitized. The U.S. outsourced many things, including the production of medicines.
oooooooo fracking and toxic waste storage too?
That must await geological studies upon the response. Pennsylvania may not be happy about the competition if StillModestCapitalist lives in New York State but there is a chance that J.R. Ewing shall ride again.
Doesn't he already - in the dreams of such as the Dick Cheney and Davie & Charlie as well as Texass's own Rickey P. ???
You mean the Four Horsemen, eh?
Now that is funny - The dick as War - Charlie & Davie as pestilence & famine - and Rickey as death ?
Oil! Oil! Oil! Oil! Bloody mess.
Yep - war famine pestilence death - doesn't get much clearer than that.
low energy living
The government purchase hasn't been reported yet as far as I know. Mark my words. It will be. Damn near all of the meds will expire or at best, they will be sent to Africa where they MAY do some good. But they will be sold to the US government unnecessarily in order to reap MAXIMUM PROFIT.
I stand by the guarantee.
Okay, StillModestCapitalist, isn't that the capitalist way that you adhere to?
I believe in producing legitimate product and service accurately represented through traditional advertising with no psychological tricks and no hype for modest profit keeping in mind what the people can afford and always with regard for the distribution of wealth. In other words, reasonable compensation in return for legitimate contributions made for the benefit of society as a whole.
I am not ashamed to be a modest capitalist.
Would you put out what ExxonMobil put out as a campaign to lower its future labor costs?
Note especially the discrepancies between the comments by the people and the company's narrative. Is it a modest campaign for legitimate contributions made for the benefit of society as a whole?
I learnt from my ancestor who had the heart to save others by taking great risks. If the U.S. has these Ebola medicines, I say that we send them to the frontlines in West Africa ASAP. It is far easier to stop it there now than here later when it has gone through exponential growth. If they succeed over there, we are saved. If they do not, we are going to get whacked anyway in this globalized world. The chance of success is much better in the earlier part of the exponential-growth curve of Ebola.
I have no problem with helping out in West Africa but that doesn't change how I feel about the media hype.
We don't need 'saved' from Ebola. It will go down in history as yet another 'it' disease hyped up unnecessarily.
I stand by the guarantee.
If the media shut up, everything will be fine, really? Are you going Communist or Fascist? Free speech saved more lives than Whatchamacallit.
The race for lives is about outrunning an exponential growth curve or whacking it hard enough to bend it down. I prefer human success to nature's success which is inevitable by New Year's Eve of 2015.
The National media should cut it's coverage of Ebola to 1% that of current coverage and use terms like 'don't worry' and 'extremely unlikely' in place of this 'what we need to know' and 'check your symptoms' crap. Like I said, the individual is MUCH more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the hospital than they are to contract Ebola.
The CDC and other authorities directly involved don't need CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX or any other TV network to tell them how to contain or treat Ebola. The American infected and his close contacts don't need them either.
The National media should SHUT UP, drop their coverage to a RESPONSIBLE AND CALM 1% that of current coverage and let those tasked with containing Ebola do their jobs. Instead, they are spreading MORE irrational hype and fear. Just like they did and or still do with Bird Flu, Swine Flu, SARS, Hepatitis, West Nile, and another two or so 'it' diseases that I don't recall at the moment.
Regarding the confined host of American Ebola patient Thomas Duncan. Again, I find this EXTREMELY suspicious. First, that Duncan was flown DIRECTLY FROM GROUND ZERO right into the most paranoid hypochondriac Nation on Earth where there has been an 'it' disease to fear EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR A DECADE RUNNING. Second, that he was admitted over 1000 miles west of the last American who was supposedly cured on the East Coast thereby effectively spreading Ebola fear nationwide. and now that his recent host is confined and running her mouth for the fear mongering media.
So why in the name of all that is logical don't they just admit her to the same hospital for testing and get to the bottom of that possibility right away? What? Now, they can't even RULE OUT Ebola contamination for three weeks REGARDLESS?
I'm calling BULLSHIT. They should admit the bitch, test her, then test her again, and go from there. Instead, they have made her YET ANOTHER AGENT of FEAR WITH A FULL TIME GIG FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT THREE WEEKS.
At this point, I am DAMN NEAR CONVINCED that Ebola was INTENTIONALLY flown into this country for the VERY PURPOSE of spreading MORE HYPOCHONDRIAC FEAR. CH'CHING!
I realize that the media is upping their ante on Ebola but I STILL stand by my ABSOLUTE GUARANTEE. Ebola will go down in history as YET ANOTHER 'it' disease HYPED UP in order to STRIKE FEAR into the hearts of MILLIONS thus driving healthcare profits EVEN HIGHER in the most HYPOCHONDRIAC nation on Earth while ultimately killing FEWER than ONE out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICANS.
I God damn fucking GUARANTEE IT. The individual is more likely to die from obesity than they are of Ebola. However, the American Corporate mass-dumbing complex already has that one covered with over-priced diet plans that almost never work and over-priced pharmaceuticals which often make their users lethargic and less healthy overall because of side-effects.
It was time for another 'it' disease to stoke those American hypochondriac coals. Now, they have one along with the implication that it's the worst one yet. Ch'Ching!
I stand by the guarantee and I'm not buying the 'exponential growth' bit. Maybe in dirt-poor half-starving Africa but not in a rich and developed country. The patient is isolated. There was no legitimate reason to multiply the Ebola coverage by 100.
Yes, the media should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let those tasked with containing and treating Ebola do their jobs. Instead they are CASHING IN ON FEAR. CH'CHING!
Tell you what grapes. I want your prediction right now. I say that Ebola will kill FEWER than ONE out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICANS. I have already scheduled my 'I told you so' day for April 1st 2015.
What is your prediction? and no more of that 'if this or that crap'. I want your prediction based on what you know right now. If you refuse to give it, then I will become very suspicious of your motives.
I agree with you on the lurid media coverage,StillMod.It is Fear Porn,without a doubt.The crisis is being utilized by Media Manipulators ala Mockingbird to get the public lathered up.Same thing with the coverage of IS.If Ebola is such a terrifying Threat,why didn't the Rich Countries mobilize a huge effort to contain the contagion by treating ALL of the patients in Africa that could be found and offering major aid and logistical assistance when it became clear that the situation was getting out of control? IS has been known about for a decade.Why were they allowed to run riot when it was well known what they were planning? Answer-Disaster Capitalism and Fear Porn.They can't get enough of it.
There are dependable very short term and long term predictions. Intermediate term predictions are for fools with hubris. Blitz traders and Warren Buffet all make tons of profits. The working class folks fancying being rich lose their savings.
Some long term predictions are the fabled Northwest Passage to the Orient will open up, disabled Fukushima and Chernobyl nuclear reactors will continue to leak radiation, Sierra Nevada will become just Sierra, no more Nevada, California will get long-term droughts, California produce prices will shoot up, crude oil prices will keep on going up exceeding inflation rate, Palestinian-Israeli conflict will continue to be the Rock of Gibraltar for Middle East strifes, China will become the number one economy in the world (if it does not break up first, pray! Even for godless Communist Party - Jesus is Love!), Russia will shrink in economic significance as its oil and gas reserves shrink, the U.S. will keep on whacking moles with one hand and feeding the other moles with the other, the (Non-)Federal (No-)Reserve will continue credit expansion, and the U.S. national debt will stay being fiscal. I hope it does not go postal.
The intention of briefing the media is to get the information out to the U.S. populace so as to minimize deadly infections. The media are not impeding those tasked with containing (but not treating - there is supportive care but NO treatment) Ebola. I suggest your turning off your radios, televisions, computers, and not reading the Ebola articles in newspapers, etc. to achieve de facto shutoff of the media.
Most probably, Thomas Eric Duncan intentionally flew Ebola to the U.S. knowing that he had been contaminated due to the behavioral pattern espoused by other people. It is unlikely that he did it to spread fear. It is far likelier that he did it hoping for a better chance at life after his exposure to Ebola. He has family in Texas so that is why he went there to die perhaps - perfectly reasonable for human nature but extremely selfish and unwise (it is not good to spread deadly disease to virgin territories because the chance of re-infection is heightened). We in the U.S. have many connections to West Africa. When things get bad "over there," they WILL come here to die, like Thomas Duncan.
The Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital did not have the capability to diagnose Ebola. It was outsourced to CDC and Texas state. Even CDC cannot get to the bottom of the possibility of Ebola contamination right away until symptoms show up. The medical establishment cannot rule out Ebola contamination for up to three weeks because it takes up to that long for the symptoms to show up. It takes only a single Ebola virus for Ebola contamination to occur and virus is just macromolecular size. It is far far far far far harder to find the single virus in the human body than finding a particular person on Earth.
No grapes. I'm not buying it. In fact, I find it suspicious that every single one of your comments regarding Ebola is pro-media, pro-commercial healthcare intervention, pro-hype, and pro-fear. Especially that 'game over' 2015 crap. You may as well work PR and advertising for both industries because you have toed their commercially motivated lines flawlessly while downplaying every single anti-hype and anti-fear point, ignoring my comment about outright fraud within the healthcare industry, and ignoring my request for your prediction regarding American lives lost to Ebola.
I understood the issue with early testing when I posted the comment above. That's why I mentioned admitting the close Duncan contact for repeat testing. Three weeks of incubation for symptoms is one thing assuming it's entirely true. But three weeks before reliable test results? Again, I'm calling BULLSHIT. Not to mention the time already passed since the woman last had contact with Duncan.
Or the 'American News cameraman' on his way to America carrying Ebola. That clinches it.
I am not psychic and I can not say for sure how many people are players or how many people are pawns but there is no longer any doubt in my mind. No doubt whatsoever. Ebola WAS flown into America for the purpose of spreading hypochondriac fear and jacking up healthcare profits. Almost certainly to secure and justify that government purchase as well.
I'm asking you again. Based on what you already know, how many Americans do you expect Ebola to kill?
With regard to your latest excuse and diversion posted below. I already informed you of my 'I told you so' day scheduled for April 1st of 2015. So give me your prediction for American lives lost to Ebola between now and then. You can take an educated guess. After all, you had the nerve to post that 'game over in 2015' crap. A comment like that could literally cause people to commit murder/suicide if they are dumb enough to believe it. This is your chance to redeem yourself by revising your 'game over' crap to something less reckless and irresponsible.
April 1st of 2015. What is your best guess?
What should be done - is a place of destination quarantine of sufficient duration for observation and testing prior to release back into the public - of people who are coming out of Ebola outbreak areas. Flights out of those areas should not be broken up into other flights going to other areas ( dispersal of people from infected areas into other groups of travelers ) - until those individuals from the outbreak areas have gone through a quarantine observation and testing period.
Quarantine will not do if new people are added to the place on an ongoing basis because the newly added ones may not have the disease but may be infected by the symptomatic ones. Also the incubation period of 21 days is too long to be tolerated by travelers.
We may have a better statistical feel by now for the distribution function of the duration from exposure to symptom presentation. If so, let us set the quarantine duration so that 95% (statistical certainty) of the infected individuals would have become symptomatic.
The mixing of travelers was for convenience as well as profits so there would be great resistance.
Gonna have to have separate facilities - log em in - process em - log em out - NEXT - log em in - process em - log em out - rinse repeat. Everywhere has travel lodges/motels/hotels for the air and ground traveler. These facilities must be used.
21 days too long to be tolerated by travelers? Damn sight better than being dead which will be for a hell-uv-a lot longer than 21 days.
Fuck the resistance to the needed/necessary Quarantine program and the required amount of time.
Some travel lodges/motels/hotels may become willing to provide space for quarantine as the tourist trade dries up but that may take a while. Remember the bogeyman of the exponential growth curve - time is an extreme luxury in the current situation.
No nope not - as in they do not have a choice - they clear their facilities and turn them over for the Quarantine - bill the government for standard daily rate.
Like you said - time is an extreme luxury - which - we Do Not Have.
We respond to this - With All That We Have - Immediately.
This makes sense but requires international cooperation which the world did not have. Which country is giving up their traveling citizens to be quarantined in a foreign West African country? Sovereignty for a state is its beginning and will be its end. Hopefully some will realize early enough that desperate times require desperate measures and agree to quarantine.
If I must take a stab at this, I probably would settle for a quarantine of two weeks as good enough. Life is not about making the optimal decisions. It is about making the good enough decisions.
Yep = Plan for and be Prepared for immediate ( personnel supplies housing/facilities logistics ) implementation - FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO. After the crises has passed then deal with perishable goods left over as possible aid give away's and put the rest back in place for the next need.
Yes, the U.S. military "wagon train" is coming to the rescue. I am glad that the U.S. military is starting to act. It proved itself time and again in making logistical support work globally and fast. The endless wars honed its skills of getting things done.
Yay for illegal wars/invasions/droning
Best to impose major inconvenience - than to risk spreading the disease to more populations. And everyone can be happy as it will be so much less expensive and easier than dealing with millions of infected in several or more countries than it is already in.
When no one is inconvenienced, everyone will be. When everyone chips in some, the problem dissolves. I don't rely on the "Don't worry, I guarantee it. Well, how could I have possibly known that?" insurance guarantees. Being sorry is not good enough.
Commenting here - @ [-] 2 points by trashyharry (2181) from Waterville, NY 32 minutes ago
Ever read or see the documentary "Shock Doctrine" ? If so - then - also consider - that - a manufactured crises can also get out of control - out of the control of those who caused it.
Government purchasing - what an F'n cluster Fuck. Bend over public as you is gonna get reamed time after time after time.............. Here we go a lot of toilet seats required - only 200.00 per unit - cheap at twice the price . . . for the handy man we got screwdrivers - only 500.00 per unit - nope sorry no lifetime guarantee - what you think these are? Craftsman tools from Sears? . . . . . . . . .
Some believe that your points indicate incompetence on the part of those government officials involved. I don't believe that for one second. They know exactly what they are doing.
Of course they know exactly what they are doing - paving the way to a private sector position by ladling out the gravy to contractors. It is not incompetence - it - IS - criminal/corruption.
Your mention of toilet seats just expanded my range of thought.
There will be a number of fortunes reaped because of this Ebola hype.
Yes - sad but true - someone (s) will be looking to cash in on this - on the hype as well as on the actual outbreak.
But the outbreak is on the other side of the world in dirt-poor, half-starving, very hot, very dirty, and very little clean water Africa. There will be no outbreak in the United States. Only a very tiny minority of scattered cases. The next of which, a PAID REPRESENTATIVE of the corporate fear mongering media is about to be flown in from ground zero. It will be very interesting to see where they decide to admit him.
You did not disclose your location so profits flee from your hometown. The pattern that I see is that controlled-return Ebola cases are put into high-level bio-containment centers built explicitly for the purpose but the uncontrolled already-well-advanced case of Thomas Eric Duncan stays put in the community (Dallas) where it starts. Moving well-advanced cases around may spread Ebola into more communities so staying put makes sense.
Where are you located, StillModestCapitalist? I propose your hometown as the destination for this PAID REPRESENTATIVE (has money, will pay anything to save his own life!). He will perk up your town's healthcare industry's bottomline. DKAtoday missed out on Patrick Sawyer but hey, we have got to be fair to capitalists. Name your town and profits shall roll to it. I guarantee that!
Texass? The CDC is there.
Funny that that guy showed up in Texass where they are trying to get the border with Mexico hermetically sealed - ya know because of south americans could be infected and just sneak on into the country - to bad the guy came in on a plane from Liberia - now how are they gonna work that into the necessary hermetic sealing of the Texass/Mexican border action that they want.
More people will probably get MRSA when going to the hospital to be told that - NO - they do not have EBOLA.
I'm not buying it grapes. Your 'game over 2015' crap is nothing but reckless and irresponsible fear mongering. It is far more likely to cost lives than to save them.
Hysteria kills. If you are able to convince 100 people that the human race will likely fall to Ebola by the end of 2015, then it is VERY likely that a few of those 100 will commit murder, suicide, both, die in car accidents because they could not concentrate or drop dead from heart attacks.
You have become the enemy. I will do everything I can to prevent you from causing death.
I stand by the guarantee. Ebola will kill FEWER than ONE out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICANS. In all likelihood, A LOT FEWER.
All those people who got Ebola and survived have immunity so why would I even try to convince people that the human race would fall to Ebola by the end of 2015?
Europe went through the Black Death and yet it is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. Even more recently, the so-called "Spanish" flu killed many people and you and I are still alive. I can attest to how bad it got because my lineage lived through the culling. There are stories from ancestors. Yep, nobody really cared about the count any more. Everybody still strong enough dug!
You've made the implication by making repeated reference to a mathematical formula in which the entire human race becomes infected with Ebola by the end of 2015. You made a similar implication with that 3400 dead doubled every 20 days crap.
Your comment regarding immunity is the very first regarding Ebola that isn't fear mongering.
Those numbers happen to be real - 3400 dead doubling every 20 days. When I first started worrying about this Ebola outbreak, the count was fewer than 100. I watched it balloon to more than 32 times and these are not fiscal numbers. There was accusation of my fear-mongering but I felt that this one going to major population centers would have different dynamics from prior outbreaks.
Maybe I forgot to include the survival rate of Ebola patients. 40-50% of them recovered. Basically, it is a toss of the coin - heads you live and tails you die if you have contracted Ebola in this outbreak.
Even if the reported Liberia/Africa numbers are accurate and no exaggerations whatsoever have been made by corrupt officials, the curve still won't apply in any rich, fertile, comfortable, developed country with abundant supplies of food and fresh water. These benefits alone have a way of drastically reducing mortality rates. Not to mention indoor plumbing, toilets, and water treatment centers. I will acknowledge the benefit of medical intervention as well but not the level of media coverage or hype. It may be a toss of the coin at ground zero but not in America.
I stand by the guarantee with absolute certainty.
This is a rather egalitarian disease once you have it. There is no cure, no treatment aside from supportive (actually palliative) care. The odds are not much better than a toss of the coin.
A number of Ebola patients have been cured. This may not get much coverage by the sold-out fear-mongering medical test and drug promoting mass-dumbing mainstream media but the reports are all over the web. Not to mention the 40-50% you admit 'recovered'.
I stand by the guarantee with absolute certainty. In fact, I'm leaning more and more towards FAR LESS than one out of every five hundred thousand Americans.
Correct me if I am wrong ( and yes - that is very possible ) - but - aren't vaccines made from the blood serum taken from disease survivors?
usually cross animal variations is used as a vaccine after the germ has mostly dies
I don't know. Sorry.
{ edit } Types of Vaccines | Vaccines.gov
A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
Interesting stuff.
{ edit } Just looking at this - it seems as though - white blood cells could be harvested and given to matching blood type individuals to stimulate the proper white blood cell immunity production - from survivor to the ill. Though This is not my field - so I could very well be wrong. It could be that a whole blood injection from the survivor to the currently ill patient might be the way to go - as the defeated microbe would be present as would the bodies immune response from the survivor.
I'm one of the few who are undecided about vaccines in general. That may surprise you given my position on pharmaceuticals in general. Sorry, I don't have much to add with regard to any vaccine.
Nothing to be sorry about. I don't much care for pharmaceuticals either - they are all too often very toxic and with side effects as bad as or worse than what someone is taking em for - and all to often are not any sort of a cure - but instead are something meant only to address symptoms on an unending need basis.
Those numbers are hypothetical = dead doubling every 20 days.
A hypothetical based on a worst case scenario. This is a disease which spreads by contact - not through breathing the air.
So if precautions and monitoring are in place - contact transmission should be contained fairly quickly = quarantine = no new contact transmission.
Quarantine was tried in the West Point neighborhood and it did not work. In fact, it caused clash resulting in a fatality. Forget about quarantine unless you are willing to kill en masse. Our air marshalls will be no match for people who clamor to fly to the U.S.
The ill are gonna fly themselves out? Just storm the airports and go? The airplanes have no form of communication to the airports they would be flying into? The airports that received a flight of the ill have no ability to contain those arrivals? Quarantine is the easiest solution other than mass vaccinations ( if there was a vaccine ) - and fear mongering is feeding the panic on the ground in Africa = https://occupywallst.org/forum/ebola-the-latest-it-disease-to-fear-unnecessarily-/#comment-1049559
I hope you are right - after all it is far better to keep Ebola in Africa than getting it here in America.
It is best to keep the outbreak as contained as is possible - period.
I am listening to No Agenda 9/2/14 podcast media analysis on Ebola&IS right now.Beyond Hilarious.LMMF'nAO! Massive Fear Porn-Ava-LANCHE!
Good Post
Tell you what people. If Ebola kills one out of every FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND Americans over the next six months, I will change my user ID to 'FuckingMoron' and post a full page apology to all those above who I accuse of spreading more commercially motivated hypochondriac fear. That's a promise.
Swine Flu
Bird Flu
Aides
Now Ebola
The Parade of disease fear manipulation continues marching forth.
To what end?
Apparently not in improving the Health Care system.
Apparently only to tighten border security = Land Sea & Air.
Odd response?
Some Might Think So. Especially if they have had a sheltered education/life.
True, the corporatist government and especially the corporations that own it do play on fear for whatever they can gain in money or power. That doesn't mean there are no honest, sincere people in and out of government that work for the common good. It also doesn't mean that the threats exploited are not real. Perhaps the mentioned diseases would have been worse except for the works of the low profile good people in the system. We'll probably never know, especially if we clean house indiscriminately.
True - or we wouldn't be having this conversation - as the internet would be off limits - and there would be no social security - and there would be no unemployment insurance - and there would be no ACA to bitch about - and and and and and
I have to say ...why are the white people getting experimental treatments...and the poor black guy is basically been told " sorry pal"? I know he put people at risk...but it's still weird...we would let someone die based on the circumstances of infection? Do doctors decide life and death based on their moral opinions now? What happened to the hippocratic oath?
You can add red state governors and red state governments to the list of death dealers as they deny ACA coverage to the poor in their states. Talk about death panels.
They actually deny ACA coverage that the poor would otherwise be entitled to? I wasn't aware of this. How?
complexity
Turning down the ACA is also why they try so hard to deny the vote to the elderly and poor.
the votes are all fixed anyway
poll surveys will soon be invalidated by mail in make it up ballots
If so - they wouldn't care about preventing anyone from voting and would drop a stupid position/tactic that hurts them.
so possible when heeded
[ edit ] What?
edit-> Matt - when making a comment - have you ever considered making that comment a complete thought - rather than a small fraction of a thought?
ab hominid?
They just turn it down. Means a loss to each state of billions of federal dollars. I am not sure of all of the particulars - but that is basically how it boils down.
My guess is that it has something to do with commercial market demographics.
The Fear Porn is now OFFICIALLY out of control.Our local news station is now broadcasting Helpful Tips on How To Avoid Catching The Ebola.This is absolutely Ridiculous.
Here is an idea. Don't swap spit in Liberia.
That would probably be a good policy even during times when Ebola,Marburg,Reston,et.al., are not in Breakout Mode.
I wonder how this will affect the sale of lawn size plastic bags surgical gloves and military surplus gas masks.
How on Earth could these people seriously be on The Teevee telling people in a Provincial Backwater like the Mohawk Valley they need to worry about The Fucking Ebola when the illness is not even spreading? Somebody entered the country who is now ill.Apparently Nobody Cared before-not one thing was done to make sure it did not happen.They made sure it did!WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot!
You were not tuning in. I learnt that I could take the horses to the water but I could not make them drink. They drink when they want to out of their own thirst. CDC took steps to stop the importation of Ebola from happening. There was forward screening of airline passengers in Liberia. There were air marshalls - one was stabbed by a syringe. There were things done to make sure it does not happen. I myself even thought that our emergency room policy would have kept Ebola patients isolated. That hospital staff also got Ebola handling training. Alas, there are still loopholes.
You are right.I assumed that the Avalanche of phone calls and emails to the Congress would at least do something.Apparently not.There is something going on at the CDC that is not good.All of the Bureaucrats in DC are very Scared of the POTUS.
Read the last sentence from this: Texass discovers that it is on planet Earth!
I quote: The head of the new Texas team, Texas A&M Health Science Center Chief Executive Brett Giroir, called Ebola a "serious concern" for Texas.
"We live in an interconnected world, where an outbreak anywhere is a risk everywhere," Giroir said. End quote.
The U.S. is to planet Earth as Texass is to the U.S. Hope eternal still lives.
Coulda,shoulda,woulda been easier to contain the problem as close as possible to where it first appeared.Another example of the Harm Racism can Do.From a long and growing list...
Our ancestors succeeded in getting as far away as possible from the "Old World" but our isolationist streak no longer suffices, largely because of our own great inventions: aluminum, powered-flight, and refined hydrocarbons.
Many in the U.S. still have this residual sense of safety distance in our minds but this idea of "over there" "them" does not fit our reality at all. I try to be a realist. While I savor our victories over yellow fever and malaria making our continental integration from shore to shore possible, I still recall the horrors of the 1918 flu pandemic. We must be mindful of how thin the armor of civilization is and avoid complacency. The stupid idea of race needs to be countered and eventually expunged.
Racism isn't just a Shameful and Ugly Moral Failing.It has an economic cost.It has a cost in terms of productivity.It interferes with the economy is a massive way because it interferes with efficiency-theoretically,and I'm sure in technical terms.No doubt an in depth analysis could produce actual numbers-how much it costs.If any such studies have been done,I've not heard of it.Supposedly economists eschew study of things like Racism because they consider such issues to be "normative" judgements.A stupid way to look at Economics,IMHO.
One must admit that economists and the school of economics - has gotten really really dumb in the last forty years. The evidence is all around us - is all around the world.
They propagate all kinds of stupid notions.Silly and self serving ideas are bad and distorting enough.Some of their Propaganda promotes all kinds of Death on a massive scale.
TRUTH
lol
And-that's not all.None of them wants to harm their future Corporate Career by demonstrating a shred or 2 of Moral Fiber.
It is all - ALL - a continuing campaign to own the government by the wealthy and business.
Much less expensive just to own the POTUS - once the teeth have been pulled from the Senate and Congress.
How does one go about doing that = pulling the teeth of the Senate and Congress?
Well how about if situations were to come about ( fostered supported directed ) to run government into a wall. Situations making the Senate and Congress basically useless as they are stalemated internally.
With the Senate and Congress effectively dead for all practical intents and purposes.
Well Then.
The POTUS must act. And in so doing bypasses the rest of government.
Because a situation/crises was manufactured to make that happen.
Problem! Reaction! Solution!-The Romans!
This time around - the Emperors can play their fiddles while the world burns around them. The current Russian Emperor is threatening Nuclear fire and the USA Emperor is meeting that threat with a renewed increase in his own nuclear fire capability.
As they all get ready to say - Burn Baby BURN
Putin will not be the only one in Pain over the slide in Oil Prices.The question is-who has the Cojones to outlast the others?
The smart one ( s? ) - would go "ALL IN" on clean alternatives while they still are making profits or still have the ability to do so easily.
Not many have the Cojones to go long on Energy.Not least because the US has NO officially sanctioned Energy Policy.Because Policy Wonks inside the Beltway have NO Cojones at all.They don't even have a place for them to potentially Exist,IMO.
And - so - a recent e-mail/response - that I just sent out.
https://occupywallst.org/forum/a-reply-i-sent-to-a-dnc-e-mail-about-attending-the/
Up to the minute update on who has the smarts to get out of fossil fuel now.
Germany's Solar revolution threatens fossil fuel based generation
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Another world "is" possible - it just takes vision and implementation.
Push People PUSH
How can anybody love money so much they are willing to Blow UP Lifeboat Earth? Maybe it's just me,but-I JUST DON'T GET IT!
Psychopath/Sociopath (s) ?
They don't care - as long as they figure that they won.
Nothing sane about it.
Ya gotta check it out = Shock Doctrine
Read it as soon as it came out.Best book of that decade,IMHO.I was hoping to see Naomi Wolf at Occupy 3.No celebrities-they all went to the Climate March.Even Chris Hedges didn't show.Too many Commies around I guess.I saw some people speak at Occupy 3 who will be famous someday-without a doubt.
[ edit ] I am replaying the documentary now. Another good documentary to see and share is " Inside Job " - all about the economic meltdown and who was involved and how they were involved. Someone should send Eric Holder a copy - as it is apparent that he was not informed (?) as to what all was going on ( criminally ) that caused it.
edit-> My bad - that wasn't the link to the documentary - but was rather a link to a presentation given by Naomi - and dealt with recent happenings here in the USA that related to her book and documentary.
He is one of the people from the Clintons who helped set it all up.They did it all with Malice Aforethought.I have seen Inside Job.Figuring out what they did-"unwinding" the Malfeasance and Criminality is not hard to do at all.But you gotta Want To-Justice Don't Want To-simple as that.
On problems with justice and justice wanting to do it's job - the following is a comment I made on Leo Yo's post - as - it is related - as to how things are done.
https://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-the-new-york-fed-secret-recordings-and-a-cu/#comment-1049444
https://occupywallst.org/forum/simple-math-the-rich-have-become-too-rich-period-n/#comment-1049465
It goes to show how far government and public institutions have fallen away from honoring the constitution and have been captured by private interests.
Play ball or not only will you lose everything,the System is rigged in such a way as there are NO Second Chances.Those who fall into Poverty can only fall deeper.It is a frightening prospect,without a Doubt.
And the fall of the new Rome continues apace.
All around the world,demand for physical gold&silver increases every day-yet the prices slide&slide.Only one of the many signs that Markets are not performing in a normal way.Investors still want to buy fancy residential properties in the US&UK-but why?Investors are still buying US T-Bills-but-WHY? I would not bet a nickel on a country that is led by people whose Heads are so far up their Asses they are completely Immobilized as a Plethora of Crises bear down.
You provide a snapshot of some of the rampant insanity in TPTB.
History proves that when the greedy insane assholes of a society ( in this case the whole world ) go rampant - The Pitchforks WILL come out.
Perhaps the massive and mysterious downward pressure on gold in a seller's market is a sign that Rats need a way to Leave the Sinking Ship?
frozen lands towards the poles
Quite Possible.
" Worked out Perfect for TPTB."
Yes - yes it did. Shock doctrine at work to manipulate the public to calling for action or for supporting action in the direction that TPTB want to go.
Sounds like she had a healthy conscience and the troubles of our world intruded on her sleep. Like for many of us these troubles are vast and can not be completely dealt with ( processed ) in our waking hours.
She was waking up thinking the whole thing was a bad dream.I woke up for years having the same thought,and getting the punch in the Gut that comes with the realization that it is no dream,and that the only possible way to stop it is if the American People collectively decide to resist.And they did resist the first attempt at attacking Syria.I think that whole thing with Long Devil was a farcical cover for the POTUS because they knew they could not pull it off without some fake videos and Fear Porn by the Media.So they needed a way to not be seen as caving to pressure from the peasants.Long Devil is a Klutz,but he can't be totally Stupid.Now Americans are all for more wallowing in the Quagmire because of a group that was created and armed by the US.Where is the outrage? I guess people are too worried about getting their bills paid to pay proper attention.Worked out Perfect for TPTB.
[ edit ] " Another World is Possible " = No Boubt Adout it.
" Conventional Wisdom " = does not appear to exist in the halls of power or education or business.
" We need to base decisions of consequence on Data.We have enough Data to conclude that you can Bomb the World to Pieces but you can't Bomb the World Into Peace." = Data ( real - truthful - Data = reality ) does bear this out.
EDIT-> Evidence ( history ) also amply bears out the fact that poverty ( strife ) feeds violence and creates criminals and criminal operations of all kinds as well as creates terrorists.
LOL-Conventional Wisdom-Army Intelligence-Military Justice-Court Ordered Anger Management-Self Regulating Industry-Minute Rice-American Health Care-Free Enterprise Zone-Free Speech Zone-Urban Development-&c. LOL!
Shift the paradigm - from capitalism driven by profits at any cost - to capitalism driven by Health 1st in all things.
Thanks again for the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suJQe57b3RY
Understanding economics - really isn't all that difficult as it has been made out to be.
Another World is Possible if we revisit these Questions with a True Spirit of Inquiry,discarding Conventional Wisdom&Preconceived Notions.We need to base decisions of consequence on Data.We have enough Data to conclude that you can Bomb the World to Pieces but you can't Bomb the World Into Peace.
Smoke can dissipate on a breeze - mirrors can be covered with dirt and grime and/or broken in a hail storm?
Anyway we need to get back to reality - so - let the storm rage and the hail fall.
What shall we produce? How shall we create products? Who shall we create products for?
Nothing - BUT - Smoke and Mirrors.
So much less substantial than even a House of Cards.
LOL-at least fumbleitis or a Sneezure Seizure can blow away a House of Cards.A Bad Dream goes away when Dreamers Awake.An Illusion produced by a Wizard behind a Curtain can also be stopped by taking away from the Wizard the Tools of Deception.I only hope I someday see the beginning of that process.VQP.
Well if so ( and YES - the rats really do have to go ) - I look forward to the bottom dropping out of fossil fuel investment - ASAP.
I just don't believe the shitty contraption strapped together with duct tape and superglue and rusty baling wire can keep on going.How can markets function with constant interference?There is no price discovery that is related to the real world.There is no production of real wealth.There is no creation of capital,or anyhow,not nearly enough.No mark to market.No trustworthy information.No way to figure out investment strategies.Looks like Universal Cluelessness to me.That is what it is-but it isn't an Economic System.
" It was quite Surreal."
No doubt.
Mark Riley was broadcasting live in the morning from Occupy.That was surreal because I listened to him for years on Air America,and on wwrl.
Laughter is good medicine - it helps to keep us from tearing out our hair and gnashing our teeth and running screaming into the night at the colossal display of insanity all around us.
My mother was in her 80's when she passed on.When the Iraq war was started,she would often say to me first thing in the day:"I just woke up-I've had the most terrible dream..."
NAH - you were right ( was it you? ) when you proposed market manipulation to get people to dump their gold investments so that they could be all bought up on the cheap.
Rats-needing a way to Leave a Sinking Ship,IMHO.
Concerning Bad Dreams and the times in which we live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFUmo8VVg0
Doctor, my eyes have seen the years And the slow parade of fears without crying Now I want to understand
I have done all that I could To see the evil and the good without hiding You must help me if you can
Doctor, my eyes Tell me what is wrong Was I unwise to leave them open for so long
'Cause I have wandered through this world And as each moment has unfurled I've been waiting to awaken from these dreams People go just where they will I never noticed them until I got this feeling That it's later than it seems
Doctor, my eyes Tell me what you see I hear their cries Just say if it's too late for me
Doctor, my eyes Cannot see the sky Is this the PRICE for having learned how not to cry
Jackson Browne was at the first Occupy.I saw him there.There was a flurry around me and then-there was Jackson Browne,standing right next to me.I was startled by that! Tom Morell was with him,and Amy Goodman also,I think.It was quite Surreal.
Ebolapalooza: Stephen Colbert lampoons Ebola fearmongering
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UnFingBelievable - Fux Spews trying to cause panic riots in the streets.
Stephen Colbert destroys Fox News for pushing extreme Ebola conspiracy theories
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Is there hype? You Bet.
Deathpocalypse Now: Stephen takes a look at ebola
But that being said - I do believe that there should be special handling of travelers out of those outbreak areas. So Steve? - fail on the air travel portion of your bit.
The great Ebola lie — Outbreak hyped for funding & media attention By Michael FumentoDecember 14, 2014 | 11:48pm Modal Trigger
Photo: Getty Images The current Ebola outbreak is “the most severe, acute health emergency seen in modern times,” Ian Smith, the World Health Organization’s executive director, announced at a mid-October press conference. Huh? Worse than the “Spanish flu” of 1918-19? Extrapolated to today’s world population, that would mean 60 million to 150 million deaths. Worse than AIDS, with its 35 million deaths? But the media weren’t asking skeptical questions. The next day, reporting on a separate WHO conference, a New York Times headline blared: “New Ebola Cases May Soon Reach 10,000 a Week, Officials Predict.” The “soon” in that warning from the WHO’s Bruce Aylward was “by the first week in December.” Well, the WHO has now reported cases for that period. Total: 529. It was no fluke; the average over the last three weeks was 440. You’ve been lied to, folks. For months. In fact, the Ebola epidemic peaked a full month before those press conferences, in mid-September. Says who? The WHO. In its data, which is available to anybody with Internet access. It peaked at the same time the WHO was demanding a billion dollars to prevent the epidemic from getting far worse — and before President Obama pledged $1.26 billion and sent in the troops and the European Union pledged another $1.26 billion. In fact, before almost any outside intervention. The political chiefs at the WHO — and at our own Centers for Disease Control — were promoting hysteria in bids for more funding. They either refused to look for the facts, or ignored them. The simple truth is this: Epidemics have been peaking and disappearing throughout history, long before there were health organizations, vaccines or effective treatments. Ebola was no different. Where did the 10,000 cases figure come from? Apparently from the imagination of Aylward, the WHO’s Ebola head, who produced it from nowhere at that press conference. The WHO never published any support for Aylward’s estimate, but merely rallied around him afterward. (When I asked about the basis of the number, the WHO gave me a bizarre explanation that combined cumulative cases with new ones.) Throughout the epidemic, health agencies and other scientists released outrageous estimates that the media faithfully relayed — and faithfully forgot by the time the “warnings” proved false. In August, the WHO predicted over 20,000 cases by Oct. 2. By early October, the media were repeating new WHO warnings without noting that the agency’s immediate-prior warnings had already proved false. Also in August, the Centers for Disease Control published an astounding estimate of 540,000 to 1.4 million cases by Jan. 20. For the record, with 36 days to go before Jan. 20, total cases reported have been fewer than 19,000. I seem to be the only one who publicly challenged these numbers at the time the WHO and the CDC issued them. The World Bank added its two cents — and then some. It predicted Ebola could cost West Africa $36.2 billion. I wrote it was utter nonsense, and at least the bank has admitted it was wrong: Its estimate is now down to $3 billion to $4 billion. Then there was Laurie Garrett, a Council on Foreign Relations fellow, who has grotesquely exaggerated every major epidemic since the 1996 Ebola outbreak. (Her serial sensationalism has reaped great rewards: She’s the only writer ever awarded all three of the big “Ps” of journalism: the Pulitzer, the Polk and the Peabody.) “Wake up, fools,” Garrett wrote in August. “What’s going on in West Africa now [is the] movie ‘Contagion,’ ” — where the death toll hit 26 million. All the hysteria led to fears, some understandable and others just hysterical, about Ebola coming here — which I debunked in my Aug. 5 Ebola column in The Post, “Why Ebola’s Nothing To Worry About.” That prompted the American Council on Science and Health to label me a “know-nothing,” though I’ve had an impeccable track record on debunking disease-outbreak hysteria since AIDS in 1987. (This accuracy may explain the lack of “Ps” on my shelf.) Don’t get me wrong: Our troops and folks like Doctors Without Borders have done great good in the face of this epidemic. But it’s crazy to throw billions more at Ebola, as Congress seems poised to do ($5 billion!), when the real need is to combat less “glamorous” endemic diseases like malaria, tuberculosis and childhood diarrhea — each of which kills more people every few days than have died of Ebola during the entire outbreak. When the WHO finally admits that the epidemic never reached the levels the WHO had predicted, it will surely claim some credit for the lower numbers — suggesting that quick and dramatic action staved off disaster. The global health bureaucrats certainly won’t admit that their own numbers show that the epidemic peaked before the WHO had even begun to act. They’ve gotten away with it time and again. With AIDS, SARS, avian flu, swine flu and two past Ebola hysterias. And they’ll keep repeating this Chicken Little game as long as the media keep falling for it and the politicians keep rewarding it with billions of dollars.
Chicken Little saved 7.2 billions of people again! Chicken Little for President 2016.
Grapes, I got off your case weeks ago because I didn't see any point in harassing you once the Ebola hoax was finally confirmed. Also because I agree with some of your views on other issues.
I posted this update because its informative and I want as many people as possible to realize what a calculated world we live in. My hope is that the healthscare pigs and sold-out media fraudsters will think twice before pulling this fear mongering crap again anytime soon.
Ebola is not yet under control but the medical and informational "vaccinations" of the healthcare systems in Liberia and the U.S. and their populace have already occurred so we can breathe a bit easier with protocols amended and screening procedures deployed. I guess Chicken Little gets no vote from you but turkeys are very much on my mind today, thanks to beautifulworld. Will American Turkey for President 2016 attract votes?
We had nothing to breathe heavy about to begin with except for being lied to.
Ebola never stood any chance to become anything worth losing one moment of sleep over anywhere outside of Africa.
Here is an update from a Spanish doctor with the International Rescue Committee which is and was one of the very best NGOs working rather quietly on very real humanitarian problems: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/corruption-vs-ebola-in-sp_n_6327466.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living
Notable is the paragraph about no-fever Ebola-infected father and his two fevered Ebola-uninfected children, all three coming down with Ebola. There IS very likely asymptomatic contagion of Ebola and I quote the doctor, "In medicine, two and two rarely make four."
Another notable item is that Ebola has raged out of control in Sierra Leone and I quote, "Right now, in Sierra Leone, there may be more than 1,000 new cases each week."
Of course it's an issue in West Africa. But even those statistics have been exaggerated.
Unfortunately, the U.S. is still just West West Africa in this globalized world!
U.K. and Belgium are just North Sierra Leone and North Guinea. India is just East U.K. Indonesia is just East Guinea. All are within a few airline flights of each other.
The conquest of distance means diseases, pests, and invasive species are also mushed together.
I hope that you are correct. Europe is more connected to Africa than the U.S. so I'll be watching the European hubs of London, Brussels, etc. as transit points for Ebola to Indonesia, India, etc.
It is now being reported that our Federal government is doing it's money part to 'speed up' development, testing, and production of Ebola vaccines.
Meanwhile with only one fatality involving a Liberian national who traveled to America after becoming infected, it is being thoroughly proven that Americans never had anything to fear from Ebola.
Every God damn year for a decade running.
Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah-someone's in the kitchen,I know-oh,oh,oh-someone's in the kitchen with Dinah-strummin' on the ol' Banjo!
What happens to a person - when they falsely cry fire in a crowded theater?
What should happen to someone who does it on the internet or TV ?
When Conspiracy Theories Kill
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I guess that "I" would have added MSM fear hyping as well.