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Forum Post: DO NOT burn the American Flag are you stupid

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 30, 2012, 1:59 p.m. EST by yosteve (64) from Newbury, OH
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Seriously, if you don't like America, leave.

I support this movement but not like this.

We have to work to get through to the system, change the system, even force the system but shit like this is just plain unamerican. get a clue

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[-] 4 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"Seriously, if you don't like America, leave."

That's what the British told George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and other "dirty hippies" of their ilk....:)

Luckily for us, they were stubborn bastards and they decided to stay.

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

yep thank god for treason or america wouldnt be here.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

about the treason you mentioned, America was not a country at the time, it was a collection of colonies under british rule.

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

I say if these losers want to burn the American Flag, break windows and so on we should throw the idiots out of our Country. We have a system in place that will allow us to make the changes we need. Unfortunately the masses want to reelect the same career Politicians that have helped to put us in this mess. When the masses can be educated (provided they are capable of understanding) and rallied to the polls, then we will get the change we desire. I will not support idiotic violence and working outside of the system.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

What do you mean, "lucky for us.?" You people hate America. So dont use American greats when you hate America.

[-] 0 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

so you are comparing OWSers to the founding fathers..that's funny.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Funny to a trololololololololololol, perhaps, but not to the rest of us, who know very well how the British DESPISED the founding fathers and considered them "scum", "traitors to the Crown" and "ragamuffin rebels" - the words "terrorist" or "dirty hippy" did not exist at the time.... :)

[-] -1 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

OWS be a part of history that we will be glad to get past and one that will be forgotten quickly.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

more like uninformed.

[-] 3 points by Truth4Life (43) 2 years ago

Burning the American flag is being done by paid AGENT PROVOCATEURS just as happened during the anti Vietnam war protests.

Do a Google search on J Edgar Hoover's COINTELPRO so that you can see how paid agents created violence in order to discredit the anti war movement. The government is doing the same today to the OWS movement.

Smarten up people ~ get rid of those paid agents NOW.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Occupy Oakland even bother to publicly denounce those tactics.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

I hope you're right, because flag burning is something that I'm not going to support.

[-] 1 points by Truth4Life (43) 2 years ago

In 1991 I attended an antiwar rally at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis and was in a discussion group. A student at the Univ of Minn at Morris reported that a "radical" burned a flag and police allowed him to run into the crowd and disappear. Instead of arresting the flag burner, the cops arrested the innocent student with whom we were conversing. I told him of COINTELPRO and it was then that he realized how he was set up by the cops.

A few days later I called up the Committee against war in Kuwait and told them that incident. I instructed them to openly call out this: that anyone who burns the flag or attempts to create violence is a federally employed agent provocateur ~ that each person in the rally is to record and photograph anyone who engages in violence. When the Committee held their rally they were shown live in CSPAN. Get this ~ the Committee opened the meeting by quoting me! My words were quoted in a speech broadcasted throughout the entire world.

Therefore, if OWS was smart, it too would record every person who is in these rallies ~ demand that everyone remove their masks. Put their photos on youtube or other media so that this way we can all identify who the police are that are infiltrating the rallies. When you see someone burn the flag - take his photo, demand that he present ID, and broadcast a video on youtube or anywhere else to show that police have not arrested the actual perpetrators of these crimes. If you fail to do this, then you are allowing the cops to abuse you and your rights. On that basis, OWS becomes a failure - nothing more.

[-] 2 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 2 years ago

If the system is not honoring the "principles on which it stands" (remember the pledge of allegience?), why should not the flag be burned as a symbolic act of how little the government is protecting them. Selling out democracy to "monied corporations" is not acceptable.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

We try to keep fascist cop agent provocateurs out, but it's hard to recognize them. It's much more likely to be them, rather than acutal OWSers. You should research COINTELPRO. Infiltrate and discredit is an old tactic.

[Cross-posted from post on same subject: http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-a-horrible-disgrace/ ]

[-] 2 points by NKVD (55) 2 years ago

Are you serious? So when someone does something like burn the flag it just can't be a protester? It has to be some undercover cop or a republican? Get a clue. It was probably some asshole anarchists that did it. You people that advocate non violent protest need to quit being afraid of these turds and handle them.

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[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

I find it also truly insulting and degrading and demoralizing to this country when Americans run out and buy 99 cent flags made in China and plaster their lapels and vehicles in them as if that makes them a patriot during every American crisis or American holiday. I wouldn't burn a flag because I don't consider the flag to be synonymous with the people or the government. The flag for me represents a dream of my forefather's and what they imagined we could become. The flag obviously means different things to different people. It's interesting that Americans could tolerate the the burning of African-Americans on crosses, the burning of crosses as a symbol of pride in racism, the burning of books, the deliberate lying of a football coach to cover up a pedophile friend, the heinous abuse of dogs by a football star, and yet, they are so intolerant of burning a flag. Seems to hypocritical to me.

Here is what Bill Moyers says: "I haven't thought it necessary to display a little metallic icon of patriotism for everyone to see. It was enough to vote, pay my taxes, perform my civic duties, speak my mind, and do my best to raise our kids to be good Americans.

Sometimes I would offer a small prayer of gratitude that I had been born in a country whose institutions sustained me, whose armed forces protected me, and whose ideals inspired me; I offered my heart's affections in return. It no more occurred to me to flaunt the flag on my chest than it did to pin my mother's picture on my lapel to prove her son's love. Mother knew where I stood; so does my country. I even tuck a valentine in my tax returns on April 15.

So what's this doing here? Well, I put it on to take it back. The flag's been hijacked and turned into a logo - the trademark of a monopoly on patriotism. On those Sunday morning talk shows, official chests appear adorned with the flag as if it is the good housekeeping seal of approval. During the State of the Union, did you notice Bush and Cheney wearing the flag? How come? No administration's patriotism is ever in doubt, only its policies. And the flag bestows no immunity from error. When I see flags sprouting on official lapels, I think of the time in China when I saw Mao's little red book on every official's desk, omnipresent and unread.

But more galling than anything are all those moralistic ideologues in Washington sporting the flag in their lapels while writing books and running Web sites and publishing magazines attacking dissenters as un-American. They are people whose ardor for war grows disproportionately to their distance from the fighting. They're in the same league as those swarms of corporate lobbyists wearing flags and prowling Capitol Hill for tax breaks even as they call for more spending on war.

So I put this on as a modest riposte to men with flags in their lapels who shoot missiles from the safety of Washington think tanks, or argue that sacrifice is good as long as they don't have to make it, or approve of bribing governments to join the coalition of the willing (after they first stash the cash.) I put it on to remind myself that not every patriot thinks we should do to the people of Baghdad what Bin Laden did to us. The flag belongs to the country, not to the government. And it reminds me that it's not un-American to think that war - except in self-defense - is a failure of moral imagination, political nerve, and diplomacy. Come to think of it, standing up to your government can mean standing up for your country".

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by boomshesaid2 (6) 2 years ago

WHo ever is the founder of this cause better publicly denounce the idea the this movement supports american flag burning or you are going to loose A lot of supporters.

[-] 1 points by boomshesaid2 (6) 2 years ago

I was with you guys, but after I have seen people burning the fucking flag. I am not with Occupy Wall Street any more. That's just fucking ridiculous

[-] 1 points by Truth4Life (43) 2 years ago

''I am not with Occupy Wall Street any more." That is exactly why the government employs people to burn the flag and make it look like it was a protester who did it - such incidents make you believe it was OWS who burned the flag when it was the government agent who did just as was done by COINTELPRO in the 1960s.

You have succumbed to their tactics. Many more will follow. OWS has failed because it refuses to call out agent provocateurs.

[-] 1 points by iwantfreemoneynow (58) 2 years ago

That guy who shit on the cop car, the rapists, the drug dealers, they guy who abandoned his baby, the occupiers who threw condoms at the Catholic schoolgirls are all PAID AGENT PROVOCATEURS.

Anytime anything makes us look stupid it the PAID AGENT PROVOCATEURS!!

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

"the occupiers who threw condoms at the Catholic schoolgirls"

Proof? Video?

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 2 years ago

Just as the rich say "we are not all mean / inside traders / tax evaders / etc." can you not accept that not all OWS'ers are like that (if any, ref: COINTELPRO)?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here's the thing.

Protesters attack symbols.........Flags, windows, spaces, barricades, words, ideas. Thing like that.

Those pitted against them................physically attack the individual.

Clubs, fists, hand cuffs, tear gas, motorcycles. That kind of thing.

I see a very real difference.

Do you?

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

what do you have against motorcycles?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They're not so cool, when a cop hits you with one, and then parks it on your leg.

[-] 0 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

no, they are still cool. your issue is with how it was used. were you in a parking space at the time?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thanks for being a reality challenged newbie.

It let's me know where your head is at, and it's not a pretty picture.

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

So did you get one parked on your leg? I mean, in reality.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If you can't recall what went on in New York, I have to question what you are even doing here.

What is your purpose?

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

To show you for the idiot you are. Of course, you beat me to it.

Charging a barricade or threatening to kill the police may seem like harmless actions....until you are the recepient. Action results in counter-action. In engineering, those are equal. In society you have to realize they may not be - of course perspective dependent. What are you having for lunch?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So for you it's .........................Go Police State!!!!!

Have fun with that. I hope they never park one on your leg, but that's just me.

Others may differ.

[-] 0 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

Obviously you didn't read. Beans and rice here today.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

if not using the Koren ,

return it so someone else can read it

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

im not really using my koran

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[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Free speech dude. Like it or not. The clue is reform. We've a good system that needs some proper tweaking.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21302) 2 years ago

Hi, Kirby. Agreed.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Hey sweetheart, hope the sun is shining bright on you!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21302) 2 years ago

You too.

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[-] -2 points by sayNO2demm (1) 2 years ago

They won't leave the country cause no one else won't give them a welfare check and let them be lazy bums.

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I watched a guy blow his nose on the flag. It was a red white and blue handkerchief, stars and stripes . . .

as if it were appropriate to fold it into one's pocket, to honk one's snoz as the needs of the day dictate . . .

When this nation reaches a point due to legislative policy and judicial malfeasance that people are burning the flag in the streets, I would suggest that it is high time for policy makers to sit up and pay attention.

I would also suggest that using the flag to speak rage to power is far, far more appropriate use of that august battle standard,

  • than as a snot rag