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Forum Post: Do A" students become entrepreneurs?

Posted 7 years ago on March 14, 2012, 2:08 p.m. EST by FriendlyObserverB (1871)
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Or do they become prey and victims to the exploiting capitalist. Since A students are hard working over achievers, they are highly sought after by the profit seeking investor.

Perhaps this is why many students do not try hard. They have no desire to be exploited by the greedy capitalist.

Do students try harder in a non exploiting capitalist society ?

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[-] 4 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

Or perhaps the underachievers have no interest at all in work and little thought for the future.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

But are the under achievers merely rebels of an unfair society , and do they simply refuse to be a part of an unfair system ?

[-] 3 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

The average adolescent isn't likely to think anything through or think very far beyond the moment. Rebellion is a natural part of their development process and has little to do with the society they are in. You can make any theory that you like fit around the young

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

But what triggers rebellion? A future with no promise?

[-] 4 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

In some it might be a contributing factor, but in adolescents in general there is ample evidence that hormonal changes contribute more to those feelings of rebellion then anything else. Stating otherwise is perhaps wishful thinking but baseless.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

It's not baseless. For a student to struggle hard and become someones " employee" takes the smile out of many dreams. And the will to try.

[-] 4 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

You're applying adult logic to adolescents. In effect creating a rationalization for them to fail using your standards without any evidence that they think that way. It simple fits your model of the world.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

You sound like a teacher that wants her students to fail.

[-] 4 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

Just the opposite. My job is to get them through their period of rebellion against anything and everything just for the sake of rebellion. To do it with the least amount of harm done to themselves and with as many options preserved as possible. To encourage them to develop talents and not let whole worlds be closed off from them before they are even out of puberty.

I'm simply stating that in general kids rebel, it's natural, I try to be there to listen and assist as well as to teach. I simply disagree that they see the world through your more adult eyes at this point in their life. Children have always rebelled. It's natural not the result of today's political climate. I wouldn't want to provide any additional excuse for failure.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Perhaps I should have said hopelessness instead of rebellion. Hopelessness is a feeling that comes from an unfair society that even children recognize.

[-] 3 points by MsStacy (1035) 7 years ago

In dealing with kids all the time I just don't see it. The political and economic problems are certainly real, but not to kids. I don't mean this as a negative, the reality of it is they don't think like us, that's part of what it is to be a teen.

The reasons for any failure in school have little to do with any national political/economic situation. The biggest group of at risk kids are those born to single mothers. It's more children having children creating a cycle of failure. The kids themselves though don't see it, they actually think everything will work out for them no matter what they do.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Many children do not want to enter the adult life, it is all to overwhelming to them. They give up by the heavy burden that is laid upon them. Go easy/ be gentle and encouraging.

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[-] 3 points by elf3 (4068) 7 years ago

Interesting - I think entrepreneurs are clever - A students are perfectionists who want to do well and strive to work hard. I worry that they're not cut out for the type of world that's out there. They will be swallowed alive. People who are successful in the business world are highly competitive and willing to cheat to get ahead as well as hurt others and playing meaningless social games all day. People who are A students are self-competitive and don't care about competing with others they are too busy topping themselves. The players don't like that - they will pull them down every chance they get. A students work hard - in the new society that gets you more and more work until finally you find yourself on ant-anxiety drugs and anti-depressants. All while working yourself into the ground for someone else's benefit. They will use you for all they can because they are players too and they think that the A student is just a sucker and don't understand pride or morals or working hard. That's what they pay other people to do; work hard so they don't have to. So good luck A students working your buts off for assholes whose parents didn't instill the right values in their kids and gave them a financial start over you so they can be your boss and then shit all over the country you live in by bribing your government.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 7 years ago

I agree - the vast majority of successful people do not hold back and will step on anyone or do anything to get ahead.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Please continue.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4068) 7 years ago

I was friends with a class valedictorian she was brilliant and shy perfectionist - she majored in science and now works as a masseuse - probably because she was the type who needed purpose. When you work for someone else you are subject to their values, their ideals, their whims (okay if you have a good employer but I've had plenty of bad ones) and she probably didn't understand the point of working on something she didn't care about to make someone she didn't like wealthy. I did well at my last job had the work of six people handed to me they wanted to promote me and help them get rid of two long time employees that made a bit too much money and were costing on insurance - I gave notice and quit (good employee gone) I disagreed with ethical decisions I saw that disgusted me. I was a perfectionist also. Employers like this will only ever have bad employees - the good ones leave. I don't think that the truly smart people can handle being jammed into a square hole being told to comply dealing with overly competitive co-workers who only have a shot by scaring off the employees that perform too well. Ultimately your purpose is to make someone else rich - you have to be able to like that person enough to tolerate that you'll be giving up your own life to it even more imperative when you're on the low end of the wage scale. Noone likes work but you have to be able to tolerate it. For people that don't place importance on material things - and would rather live in the moments and enjoy time (a long lost treasure) if the day to day moments are not good then what would motivate them to do it anymore. Employers used to motivate with cash now more and more people are coming to value time over things it's getting harder to motivate them - so instead they are bullying them and relying on desperation - cut employees, cut benefits, scare them. They are operating on fear. Kind of hard to perform well like that and as far as motivation goes I think it does the opposite. One day I hope the 40 hour work week will become seen as outdated and irrelevant to the times. I think that the more time people have the more they actually work while at work instead of sitting there wishing they were with their families.

Back to the point here - for A students perfectionists who have pride, determination, and drive.. they will wonder where they are putting their efforts - not everyone is motivated by money - especially A students (they are motivated by purpose and by curiosity, and challenging themselves as well as time to pursue things that have meaning to them)

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

We must do something to encourage/ challenge the A students. They are an extremely valuable asset to mankind. The whole system needs rethinking. The Forbes list are the wrong people on top.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Some do and some don't. :/

There are those that aren't seeking academic success but have every intention of opening a business.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

I would think Astudents have a quality not found in the slimy entrepreneur.

A students have pride.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

I have met some C students that have no desire to go to college but are taking or are intending to go into a trade and then open up their own business.

If you have a D/F student then there is something else going on.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

It's really about those who work hard vs those who exploit those who work hard.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

There is no one size fits all.

What you would like is a rather simplistic answer.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

There is a line between backrider and worker. The entrepreneur is a backrider wannabe. The shoe fits GF.

[-] -1 points by Badsexchange (1) 7 years ago

Long ago there was a book called 'Motorcycle Maintenance' by Persig, and in that book he said ...

'F' students are free thinkers,

'A' Students are shit eating muppet parasites that can mimic,

To answer your question, most famous entrepreneurs were 'F' students, ... Dropouts, Bill Gates dropped out, and so did Mr. iPhone.

Read the book and learn the real, the 'A' student is just someone that can please everyone all the time, and the 'F' student doesn't give about anything but himself. Surely society prefers the 'A', but the 'F' gets rich.

So its funny cuz in our society we only respect 'money' so at the end of the day the 'F' student wins the admiration, and gets the gold, glory, and girls. The 'A' student may become a politician, or get some boring job brown-nosing.

The secret of getting an 'A' is the ability to brown nose ALL your teachers.

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 7 years ago

There is a little thing called applied science. Academic achievement isn't always an indication of future success.

[-] 1 points by azazel (1) from Catskill, NY 7 years ago

No, Simply because an A student isnt going to take risks.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Very interesting.

[-] 1 points by amanofnoimportance (82) from Orlando, FL 7 years ago

The only thing being an "A" student proves is that you can follow an instructor's directions and recite information.

Try and find a way you can get less than an A if you do just the above.

You can be an "A" student and have no character; no boldness. You can lack creativity. You can lack the social development necessary for higher levels of suggestions, persuasion, and many other valuable skills to make you more relevant after school is done.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

I hope my post does not offend A students, it was not my intention to do so.

A students have the quality to become our leaders. We need them right now.

[-] 1 points by PopsMauler (182) from Chicago, IL 7 years ago

Riches and connections seem to advance people loads further the way things are right now. Personal achievement or hard work means little to nothing.

You also have to realize that the cost of tuition has skyrocketed. Many students including myself work nights or multiple jobs just to put a small dent into their debt. Time for that extra effort just isn't there. The FAFSA being based primarily on parents' income is a joke, and in all honesty the whole system is a mess.

I think that everyone would try harder in a non exploiting capitalist society.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Thanks for the comment.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 7 years ago

It all depends on what kind of "hard work" and "personal achievenment" a person has in mind.

[-] 1 points by PopsMauler (182) from Chicago, IL 7 years ago

Or it depends on being able to afford school in the first place...

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 7 years ago

Not all people are cut out to go to college - that's why there are alternatives. But there are trade schools and a person can get a 2 year degree in certain chosen fields.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 7 years ago

An A student may not necessarily be an entrepreneur, but they are without question hard workers and may or may not be just plain smart.

Irrespective of whether they were just plain smart or hard workers, an A is evidence of the fact that they have the drive to succeed.

Students try harder when they want to better their situation. Stop giving them an easy life. Let them understand that their future rests on their own academic and/or professional success. That while you are there to support them now, you will not always be. If education is not what they want to pursue then let them pursue a trade. The fact is... they WILL need to be "A grade" / excel at something... preferably something productive that lets them earn enough to live the life they want.

It will make them tougher, more determined to succeed. I firmly believe that the generation that will emerge from this recession will be tougher, more motivated and more successful.

When I was a kid, my parents were pretty well off, but I was never given anything more than I absolutely needed. Of course this meant that I was not the cool kid in school, but it also meant that I worked my rear off to get the things I wanted on my own. It meant that I would get A's in order to get squeeze out a bonus on my allowance. It meant I would do chores around the house, work part time or do a lot of DIY stuff. I used to make things out of scrap.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Capitalists use a similar method, by keeping the working class poor they are always willing to work.

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 7 years ago

Grades have little to do with anyone's character or performance. Anyone can recite information and get a good grade but that doesn't mean that they have any business acumen or an innovative mind. Corps know this too. Some of the world's greatest entrepreneurs were flunkee drop outs who simply didn't fit into the ' one size fits all' scholastic model that we employ. Dave Thomas ( Wendy's) dropped out at 15, Richard Branson ( Virgin) was a drop out, Steve Jobs made terrible grades, Peter Jennings had a tenth grade education, George Eastman ( Kodak) dropped out. Those are just some of the few millionaires with little education and poor grades. George Bernard Shaw wrote about how he hated school and thought it was a prison for small minded people. hahahah Investors and corps look for people who are independent and innovative thinkers, leadership experience, ambition, a bit of eccentricity and if they were or are good at sports because athletes are competitive and driven to succeed as well as work well in a team environment.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

capitalism has little to do with ones performance

only how much money they make

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 7 years ago

In some cases that's true. That's why slavery worked so well for a few at the top.

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[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 7 years ago

That's good, glad to know that.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

academic achievement is not motivated by money

[-] 1 points by RayLansing (99) 7 years ago

Is there such a thing as a "non exploiting capitalist society"?

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

I think it really says something about our country if most people think that students that get A's are over achievers.

How much money must one make to go from being exploited to being an exploiter? One would think the top students in any high school class are going to have higher lifetime incomes, on average, than those further down the list. So maybe those who get good grades ultimately have a higher standard of living, given the capitalistic society we live in.

[-] -1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

I personally dont feel a man has economic freedom until he earns above $300000/year and has his debt under control.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

I don't believe it's either, or. I know a man who never got less than an A througgh college and law school. His ambition is dope and the bar scene. I also know people that never got an A, never graduated from high school, stuck needles in their arms, and survived it all and have a shitload of money now. Some people have it, others don't.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

This defends the idea A students do better in a non exploiting environment ie. school is non exploiting , but once out in the real world the A student is destroyed.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

It's not either or. Don't you know A students who are doing well financially? You can find people to defend your premise, and other examples that contradict it.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

I think it would be rare to find an A student becomes a middleman capitalist.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

Well, my guess is their are many that are and many that aren't.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Well than you must not have been an A student.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

Got some A's, mostly B's, and a C when I hated the class and the instructor. Got a C in Mrs. Penders Home Ec class, even though I really applied myself. I think she got sick of this 14 year old skinny little weakling staring at her. She was such a hotty. All of the 14 year old boys stared at her.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

.... right

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[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 7 years ago

It's interesting you mention this because all of the "A" students I graduated with are now struggling to survive - not all just about 99.9%.

The ones who succeded were the ones who had to work harder to earn their C or B. So if you look at it from that perspective, they have more drive to get what they want and as a result are more successful. So very true.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 7 years ago

As are easy to get. I don't think they are an indicator of anything, besides maybe one's ability to follow directions.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

A's are easy to get !

How about ditch digging , is that easy also ?

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

Ditch digging is incredibly easy today. Think about it clearly.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Operating a bank has always been easy. Think about it clearly. That heavy equipment was built by hard labor.

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

Says who? You? You dont count. The market places on each.

[+] -5 points by DKA4today (42) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

You should know.

I mean you are digging a ditch here - Right?

Or is it just going to be another hole.

Anyway happy digging.

[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

Ditch digging is done by earth movers and backhoes. No where in America is someone hand digging a ditch. Thank heavens for capitalism and ambition that gave us machines!!!

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[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

The market will tell us the value of each.

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[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

Yes.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

marketing is the bankers jobs

[+] -6 points by DKA4today (42) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

And the wage slaves to operate them?

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

no. Most heavy equipment operators are owner operators. Of course, you dont like work, so being a small businessman ie owner operator is horrid to your senses.

get a job.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 7 years ago

Yeah...Your point?

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

My point.. Everyone finds something easy.

[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 7 years ago

The word "underachiever" is clear in its intent. It implies a person was given tools but made no effort to use them. Lazy comes to mind.

You cant get into the top business schools and end up as an investment banker w/o both intellect and ambition.

Most people on this forum are decently intelligent but lack ambition. They want it handed to them with $115000 minimum wages or dollar coins.

Hard work is always rewarded in america, always.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

hard work can be rewarded by the money of the people

but only if the people have money

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Not necessarily true. Take someone with a banks degree and hand him a shovel , how much work will he accomplish? It's not necessarily lazy or ambition it's just a mismatch of interest and talent. Same with operating one of those huge earth moving machines. The operator is highly skilled but may have no interest sitting in a bankers office.

[-] -2 points by ibanker (-99) 7 years ago

Really? So you are telling me that all those class mates of mine in high school who doped on weed and did not study at all and made fun of me because I was a 'geek' did this to avoid getting 'exploited by capitalists'. I see. Keep telling yourself that. May help you get over the abject failure that is your life while I go shop for a Lexus.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Those underachievers generally become entrepreneurs , looking for the easy way out , while the A students like yourself go unrecognized as the true achievers. Keep up the effort. Things are about to change.

[-] -1 points by ibanker (-99) 7 years ago

I am sorry, are you telling me Zuckerberg or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Wozniak were under achievers? haha. Mark went to Harvard, so did Gates, Woznaik went to UC Berkeley and the Google founders to Stanford.

and FYI entrepreneurship is not easy at all. Getting straight As or a perfect SAT/GRE score or even graduating summa cum laude is any day easier than entrepreneurship and I am saying this despite not being an entrepreneur.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

People like zuckerburg and Steve jobs are less important to me than the plumber who installed running water in my home. Wealth to me earns no respect. Keep at those straight A's

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[-] -2 points by ibanker (-99) 7 years ago

Your plumber sure didnt get straight As ;-)

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

He does in his profession !

[-] -2 points by ibanker (-99) 7 years ago

His profession does not demand a great deal of intellectual prowess either.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Zuckerburg would never beable to rough in the plumbing for tower one or two nor would he beable to carry in the materials needed. Let alone draw up the schematics. Sure computer programming takes a bit of know how but absolutely no physical strength or skillful trade. He might get metacarpal tunnel syndrom though.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

A students are not always hard working over-achievers...many times they are go-along get-along types that accept the opinions of the instructors as fact and don't challenge incorrect information....

case in point we had a girl in my high school who had a 4.0 grade point average and was the darling of the teachers, and yet during standardized testing she got one of the lowest scores of the entire school.......she hadn't learned anything, but she was agreeable to the faculty and as such got great marks...

don't confuse good grades with real education...

Often the entrepreneurs of our society are those rejected by mainstream "education", or those who see it for the bullshit that it is, and self-educate and recognize the opportunity that the education system veils from the sight of most with it's propaganda....

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

If you can't make it with good grades, than you could always drop out and become a capitalist backrider and exploit those classmates that were tougher than you. Hey all you have to do is work retail for a while on commission , save up some cash for a loan and start your own little backriding scheme. Who needs education when the man with the money is BOSS.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

Tell me, where do you think most products, and companies would be without the "backriders" who provide financing, marketing, and sales talents to create, finance, bring and sell the products to consumers?

or haven't you thought that much about it?

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

It is always easier to delegate the work than do the actual work. Therefore those that do the actual work should be paid the most. Someone supplying finance should be paid the least of all. There is no work in supplying finance.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

easier to delegate work? have you ever managed people?

delegating work is a difficult task, as many "workers" will do all they can to avoid doing what they are paid to do........

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

That's because they see the CEO sitting on his ass getting paid 500X what they make. Can you blame them.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Delegating is not the same as getting someone to do something. If the job needs doing and it needs doing right. The worker refuses to see this. Then that is grounds for dismissal. The Backrider does not even have to break a sweat as the nonworking individual leaves. Unless of coarse he is concerned that that individual was wrongfully let go and could be waiting outside for closing time.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

The investor certainly doesn't break a sweat.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

you know nothing about investing either.....and the long hours analyzing charts and figures, etc.......and the massive amount of competition in that field, one bad mistake and you're out on your ass.....

[-] 3 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

I know that the investor doesn't do it to create jobs. it's all about making profit correct.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

so......animals don't shit to fertilize the ground either.....but, it's a nice benefit

[-] 3 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Wall street represents mostly investors , and right now there is a protest named occupywallstreet. What does that tell you about investors ?

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

"investors" are pension funds, 401k's, individuals, retiree's, etc, etc.....

people that want their money to work for them, and, as a result, new and existing enterprises are funded.....creating jobs

there is an OWS because the modern world is full of petulant children who refuse to grow up and take responsibility for themselves and their decisions/behaviors

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

I thought you just said " investors work long hors reading charts. Now you are defending my statement " they don't break a sweat !

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

they did to earn the money they are investing with those who do the hard work of due diligence in studying trends and such...

you said it's "workers" that do all the work, it is also, largely "workers" who are the investors......through various pension, and retirement accounts, and through private investment....

the idea that there are "workers" and "investors" in two separate classes is nonsense....

without the investor, there is no enterprise, and without the enterprise there is no worker who makes his living off the machinery of the enterprise.....

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Most of the big investors are reinvestors, using profits from previous investments. And once a certain point is reached , it is all reinvestment of profits.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

And as such should not weigh high on compensation. He/She/They put up money but do not make the operation a success.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

But they will bleed the operation to reinvest elsewhere and grow their empire on the blood of everyone from management to worker. The investor loves capitalism.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

That is why you can not let them have ownership interest in the business as they will sell it off whole or in pieces to make a killing and to hell with the people who work there.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Isn't that what Romney does ?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

That is exactly what he did. Venture capitalism.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

He should be in prison, not in congress.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

He is the corrupts chosen puppet to be.


[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (643) 2 minutes ago

Well it is totally unethical. A person like Romney has no business in politics. How does he get support ? It boggles my mind. He should be pounded with rotten tomatoes. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 7 years ago

Pounded with rotten tomatoes. Will Romney then be Americas' first Red president?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Well that is the unfortunate thing. Venture capitalism is not illegal though it should be.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Well it is totally unethical. A person like Romney has no business in politics. How does he get support ? It boggles my mind. He should be pounded with rotten tomatoes.

[-] 0 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

it isn't grounds for dismissal in many work environments.....the marginal effort provided by many is accepted and even defending in many of them...

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Could this be perhaps that it is recognized that the workers are being stressed to do more then is good for them? Because let me tell you a successful enterprise will not support non-workers. You have a quota and you meet it or meet the street. An operation will only allow what you might perceive as lallygagging if they are making their needs ( PROFIT ) and know that they are honestly asking too much from their workers.

PERIOD.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Backriders provide something?

Are you shitting me?

The only thing they provide is back strain.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

you obviously know nothing about supply chains, or marketing, sales, and organization......

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

You wish. I worked with and oversaw much of that. For twelve years I was the head of QA for a multimillion dollar per year manufacturing operation that designed and built tools for industry.

But I always saw the inequity. I was not popular with executive management.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

Is that why you're speaking in past tense?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

yes/no I am retired.

[-] 2 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

I worked in the Coon Rapids area as a toolmaker and QA for a sheet metal job shop for almost 30 years. I called it as I saw it with management as well, and when I got hurt on the job and had a nagging injury, they cut my ass. Best thing that ever happened to me. I started my own business, and work for myself with no employees, except for some very part time people who help out when I need time off. I hate to admit my bitterness towards my former employer, but I am.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I can and do understand the bitterness. Glad you found a way to be successful on your own. You have my respect for that.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 7 years ago

Thanks neighbor.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Glad your here. You are able to shout down a lot of the bullshit that is spouted by trolls. Experience it is not always pretty but it can be very helpful.

[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 7 years ago

Quality Assurance has nothing to do with those things, that is a production, pre/post-production arm of industry and has no input into sales, marketing, establishment of supply lines, organizing sales and dealer networks, establishing customer relations or any of the things that have NOTHING to do with production, but are ESSENTIAL to the success of an enterprise .......please try again....

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Bullshit. It depends on the size and number of personnel in an operation. Quality Assurance is so much more than many understand. Most especially if you are an International Standards Organization Certified business.

QA is top to bottom in such an organization.

[-] 3 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Tell 'em DKA !

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thank you. Stupid asshole thinks he can just bullshit his way through life.

[-] 3 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 7 years ago

Lol. Most of them do.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Yeah yeah I know makes them obvious and an obvious waste of someones money.