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[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Who removed this post?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

what was it ?

can you repost it ?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Why was this post removed?

[-] 1 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Good post. Worth reading. Plebes unite.

Bankers = Nattonal interest? Sounds like his personal interest.
We are too lazy to unite? Yea, looks to be so

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Stock Buy Back with the cheapest money in history - On The Back of QE (Queasing!) AND on the back of the 2008 Bank Bailouts is now beyond unconscionable by executives bent on lining their own pockets before their tenure in post runs out! Also fyi - http://www.natlawreview.com/article/stock-repurchases-we-can-t-think-anything-better-to-do-your-money The utter, psychopathic venal nature of some people takes some believing! + see http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42017.htm We aren't''too lazy''btw!

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Have no fear, another election is near.

The bankers are smiling and the people are dialing.

Waiting for the gods to appear. .

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

I would of course ''twinkle'' you for that IF I could but alas, you and I don't seem to have been allowed ''Voting Rights" here! I really do not like manipulative assholes who tamper with our Voting Rights, as evidenced here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/trump-this/#comment-1064536 + It is a shame that the person who created this forum-post chose to delete it .. as there is really quite a lot of good info here however, directly below, is my older excerpted from the OP reply .. that also has a link to the source ... http://occupywallst.org/forum/dimon-says-chase-shareholders-are-lazy-as-bankers-/#comment-1060433

[-] 1 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Wow. Thanks again. Excerpts from last link above

"The first thing to understand is that these so-called “partnerships” are not laws written by Congress. The US Constitution gives Congress the authority to legislate, but these laws are being written without the participation of Congress. The laws are being written by corporations solely in the interest of their power and profit. The office of US Trade Representative was created in order to permit corporations to write law that serves only their interests. This fraud on the Constitution and the people is covered up by calling trade laws “treaties.”

Indeed, Congress is not even permitted to know what is in the laws and is limited to the ability to accept or refuse what is handed to Congress for a vote. Normally, Congress accepts, because “so much work has been done” and “free trade will benefit us all.”

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Ponzi Scheme America - You’ve Been Scammed!" by Tom Engelhardt - http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176005/tomgram:_engelhardt,_going_for_broke_in_ponzi_scheme_america/ - from which I excerpt:

''Just how the vast sums of money flooding into American politics do their dirty work may not matter that much. Specific contributions from the .01%, enacting their version of trickle-down politics, may not even elect specific candidates. What matters most is the deluge itself. These days in the American political system, money quite literally talks (especially on TV). Via ads, it screams. In the 2016 election season in which an unprecedented $10 billion is expected to be spent and just about every candidate will need his or her “sugar daddies,” the politicians will begin to resemble you; that is, they will find themselves dragging around previously unheard of debts to various plutocrats, industries, and deep pockets of every sort for the rest of their careers.

''Take just two recent examples of the new politics of money. As the New York Times reported recently, Florida Senator Marco Rubio has been supported by a single billionaire auto dealer, Norman Braman, for his entire political career. Braman hired him as a lawyer, hired his wife as a consultant to a family foundation, financed his legislative agenda, helped cover his salary at a local college, helped him right his personal finances and deal with his debt load, and is now about to put millions of dollars into his presidential campaign. Rubio, as the article indicates, has returned the favor. Though no one would write such a thing, this makes the senator quite literally a “kept” candidate. Other plutocrats like the Koch brothers and their network of investors, reputedly ready to drop almost a billion dollars into the 2016 campaign, have been more profligate in spreading around their support and favors.

''As that system, awash in plutocratic contributions to politics and taxpayer contributions to the military-industrial-homeland-security complex, morphs into something else, so will you, whether you realize it or not. Though never thought of as such, your debt is part of the same system. A society that programmatically trains its young into debt and calls that “higher education” is as corrupt as a wealthy country that won’t rebuild its own infrastructure. Talk about the hollowing out of America: you are it. No matter how substantial you may be in private, you are being impersonally emptied in what passes for the real world.

''f Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton are kept politicians, then you are un-kept Americans. You are the ones that no one felt it worth giving money to, only taking money from.

''Being on the sidelines, it turns out, is an expensive affair. The question is: What are you going to do so that you aren’t there, and in debt, forever?''

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Make no mistake. The Federal Reserve System was created one hundred years ago by bankers for the benefit of bankers. It would be insane for us not to make sure our cronies are put in charge of the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury to protect our interests. As a result, every president has appointed our chosen emissaries to run these government institutions. These associates work for us, first and foremost. The welfare of the banks, particularly the big banks, is their priority and they have not failed us yet.

''We were rewarded for our foresight in this regard when we were bailed out in record time in 2008. Our designated advocates did their job extremely well, just as we expected. They successfully spooked congress into thinking that the world would end, if we weren’t bailed out. We couldn’t have written the script any better. Kudos to Paulson, Geithner, and Bernanke for a job well done. Well done indeed!

''Every once in a while, some politician feels the need to spin bullshit into cotton candy and criticize us. This is particularly true at election time. We get that. Rest assured that these politicians are in the tank for us and will support us at every turn when it matters. And what matters most to us is making huge risk-free profits.

''If we lend you money, we want to get paid back on time. Period. If you stiff us or even think about stiffing us, we will come after you mercilessly. Further, we don’t appreciate it when someone or something comes between us and the money we are due.

''We will not hesitate to make easy money when the opportunity presents itself. If we know our clients are stupidly buying dubious securities from us, we will make certain we are on the other side of their trades. It would be silly for us not to take advantage of a sure thing, even if our own clients are the ones getting burned. It isn’t illegal. Look it up. That’s why we have never been criminally indicted for any wrongdoing in this regard. And never will be.

''We intend to police ourselves and will not countenance any government watchdog or regulator, whom we don’t control, to impede our ability to rake in bigtime profits. We know the banking business better than anyone on the planet and don’t appreciate some outside agency telling us what we can or cannot do. We understand the need to placate the pain-in-the-ass public for sake of appearances by having some putative regulatory body oversee the banking establishment. That’s alright as long as it doesn’t interfere with our business practices.

''No one tells us what to do, if we don’t approve it beforehand. Moreover, it is sheer folly for some ambitious bank analysts to question the financial integrity of our banks when our incredible wealth speaks for itself, underscoring our success. If it ain’t broke, we don’t intend to fix it.

''Elected officials are never going to refuse our political contributions and we are never going to stop contributing to them. That’s the way pay-to-play works in this country. If you don’t like it, go live somewhere else.''

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Abridged from the link above.Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/jamie-dimon-blasts-lazy-shareholders-as-bankers-try-to-defend-themselves-from-angry-americans/#oAgVE9uWDF0YgPZe.99 and a great BIG ... HHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhh!!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

"Big banks run everything: Austerity, the IMF and the real story about world economy that the media won’t tell you"

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/big_banks_run_everything_austerity_the_imf_and_the_real_story_about_world_economy_that_the_media_wont_tell_you/

So, it's austerity for the 99%? Or austerity for the banks? Bailouts for the 99%? Or bailouts for the banks?

There's enough money. It's just about what we allow to be done with it. Humans? Banks? Corporations? What really matters? Who really matters?

And, don't forget Iceland:

"Iceland convicts bad bankers and says other nations can act"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/13/uk-iceland-bankers-idUKKBN0LH0OC20150213

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

SSShhh. Never mention Iceland! It's just not done! How could you do such a thing?

https://twitter.com/jojokejohn/status/452429801186279424/photo/1 - but don't look!

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

Sadly, we had turkeys voting for Thanksgiving tonight, and they weren't even Americans. Greek MP's say yes to Europe's bullying austerity and all out coup.

Why so much silence about the story of Iceland? Why so much fear embedded in the Greeks and such desire to hold onto the Euro at any cost?

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Sadly Greeks voted like lambs going off slaughter - just before being cooked into a Bankers' Moussaka!

Given the good information here - I can't work out why this forum post was deleted! I did excerpt it above

http://occupywallst.org/forum/dimon-says-chase-shareholders-are-lazy-as-bankers-/#comment-1060433

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

A quote from an article you linked,

"Financial technocrats were put in place to serve the domestic oligarchy and foreign bondholders. Greece was under financial attack just as deadly as a military attack. Finance is war. That is this week’s lesson."

"And for the first time, debtor countries are realizing that they are in a state of war."

Finance is War! Pay up or prepare to suffer horrible consequences. Greeks would be subject to this suffering as opposed to creditors making LESS profit, not even losing any money! Profit has become God!

The Greeks were like lambs going to slaughter, they bought some time but at what cost? Solidarity!

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Trust me - you really do need to watch this .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=xu5sTyAXyAo

A mesmerizing one hour of cool, calm, logical investigation that's worth a thousand articles re.Greece.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Is there more news from Spain? They seem aware of necessary steps with this election. Not much media coverage.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Spain's Anti-Austerity Podemos, Ciudadanos, En Comu etc. - must now prep for the November General Election + fyi please see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/25/podemos-ciudadanos-local-election-spain_n_7435276.html Spain and Portugal's problem with Dogmatic, Neoliberal Banksterism will extend to Italy too. Also fyi: http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-httpwwwleftforumorg-thom-hartmann-and-profrdwo/

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

Iceland! Iceland! Iceland! lol.

"Bankers jailed. Politicians replaced. No shots fired!"

We can do it too!

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Good reply. Iceland is a good example of how the people took control of their government. These normally reserved people got out in the streets, and demanded *systemic change." Only by us doing the same will we get Change That We Can REALLY Believe In.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

Greece can learn from Iceland:

"Three charts that show what Greece can learn from Iceland's banking crisis"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/three-charts-that-show-what-greece-can-learn-from-icelands-banking-crisis-10329085.html

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Isn't great that people who want to put other types of people in charge of banking policy besides the ones that take their money and then bail them out, are considered the "opt out do nothing" crowd on an occupy website?

Just shows how a dedicated group of trolls can destroy basically any form of online communication if they work hard enough at it.

Edit: And then act like children and result to classic troll behavior by spamming and in theory wrecking the very site they claim to care about. Oh so predictable. Troll behavior 101.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

How about Yanis Varoufakis and Alexis Tsipras? Now them there's some real revolutionaries! Go Syriza! Go Podemos next! Governments and economies for the people!

And, all you say is true, but we must forge on despite the absolute ridiculous and embarrassing behavior of a few here.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I'm a big Yanis fan, wich he hadn't of resigned. I suppose he figured he did his damage, time to get out before getting whacked :)

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

I follow Yanis Varoufakis on twitter, here:

https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis?lang=en

He posts some really good articles. And, he never did answer me when I asked him if he'd be our (the 99%'s) leader, lol.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33200) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

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[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

He was replying to me. Why did you chime in with your negativity?

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33200) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You were having a private conversation? Kinda silly on an open forum. I commented properly on his negative statement. To bad so sad you are so messed up.

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[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The damage the Democrats did here is much less than what they did in the real world, as in SHUTTING DOWN OCCUPY.

DKA/Shooz doesnt realize this, because participation was never the goal.

I'm still trying to figure out how some Dem moron from Michigan managed to grab moderating powers for a NYC based movement?

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

The American Ruling Class keeps demonstrating that it will not tolerate any opposition to its interests. The attack on the OWS protesters and the shut down of various Occupy sites .. made it clear that the defense of democratic rights is incompatible with the enormous levels of social inequality that sparked the Occupy movement itself.

The basic interests of the working class are actually incompatible with the capitalist system. It is NOT a matter of protesting to the powers that be, but of mobilizing The 99% and working class for the taking of political power and the reorganization of economic life to meet social needs, not private profit. This really means a break with the capitalist two-party system and all those who work to channel opposition behind the Democratic Party.

The military-style police actions in New York .. involving hundreds of officers, was carefully coordinated with similar actions throughout the country. The mayors of many major US cities, both Democrats and Republicans, held meetings and conference calls to work out the best way to strangle the protests.

There are many willing accomplices with that and then there are unwitting dupes and re. the 'mods and modding' here - that was an issue from the get go but could have been controlled if 'the founder' was not waaay off to the right these days! Also fyi: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy Consider .. Occupy Is A State Of Mind and Solidarity to you and yours.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33200) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

5th track: (We copy from the worst)

We sing our own politi-speak (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic) - tossing aspersions and providing no plans - we're the next best thing to the rethuglicans in office - listen to us sing and pay no attention to the fact that we forward nothing that would be supportive of the people - and so we serve the status quo.

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[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I got one too. Looks like someone was drunk and moderating again lol.

Once again, in occupy, there was a reason why the moderator of that nights GA stayed out of the opinion category, its an obvious conflict of interest.

How did this loser from Michigan get its hands on the OWS website in NYC?

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33200) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"

As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities

Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc

Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:

"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"

"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"

Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.

We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.

Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.

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[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Maybe - but not with a bunch of DicKheAds whose factsRfukt! The next time you meet one, play them

this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEwbzEBw14 and wish them well! + G'night + Solidarity bw.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

Exactly right. Fighting for the status quo is exactly what the oligarchs, bankers and corporations want.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Solidarity for http://www.leftforum.org/ and we all forge on - despite the machinations of TPTB ici! http://occupywallst.org/forum/bernie-sanders-socialism-may-have-mainstream-appea/#comment-1060445 The''status quo'' manifests itself in many ways and in many different places.Struggle On.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Of course. 6 straight years of free money from the Obama administration and now Democrat Dimon is a fuckin billionaire.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

He should be in jail.

"Why is JPMorgan’s Jamie Dimon immune from prosecution?"

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/12/pers-a12.html

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

When the ones who are suppose to prosecute are the ones taking the cash, and there is about 20% of the population who demand we continue down the same road, and they are the loudest idiots in the room, we are officially living in Idiocracy.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

Idiocracy. That's a good one. Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, (something I first heard on these boards years ago.)

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Its the squeaky wheel syndrome. The partisans are the ones who get them the ratings and pull the levers, so its really only them that they have to pander to.

The other 80% of the population is not really in interested in creating anything outside the Dem/Rep duopoly, so they pretty much have the game figure out I guess.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

One of the biggest obstacles to bringing about change is getting people to realize that they are not stuck with things the way they are. Our political environment, our economic system, none of it is inevitable. It is all man made and can be literally undone and revamped and started anew by we the people if we set our minds to it.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I don't think the people actively support either party

it's simply all they know

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Its a valid point. But there is the squeaky wheel section of the population - the 10% that support Dems wholeheartedly and the 10% that support Republicans wholeheartedly- that are gumming up the entire process.

That 20% is who you see at the midterms. The die hards. No amount of corruption will ever change their mind.