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Forum Post: DemoRepubliSociaLiberConservaGreenTea party?

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 28, 2011, 7:34 p.m. EST by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL
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just an idea

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

lets just get rid of the isms, and hang with REAL Democracy. Repub/socialist/Libertarians/ conservatives.. greens... you know those are all ideologies.. i like the ideology of the greens but its just an ideology. when the real way out of the mess is through science, all mere ideologies are the problem. we do need a new political party, but it needs to be centered in science not ideology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again. 1. Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create. 2. This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system. 3. Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized. 4. The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software. 5. The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail. 6. Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites. 7. You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity. 8. I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement. 9. Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction. 10. The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country. 11. Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

MAN thats a lot. why don't you post it where it won't get covered up by trolls. you know... in two weeks i start an ad campaign for http://citicommons. and if i'm lucky, one or more of the dozen people that have signed up to write articles so far, will begin posting them.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

why don't i move on over to your forums? why don't you move on over to my wiki? i'm combating the trolls, thats WHY.

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Ok, I am a web designer and have very little writing experience so bear with me. I have signed up and will come up with something in the next few hours. have to go get my kids in a sec. Once you have more material I will add you to the resource list on my site.

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

comon, i really like this idea!