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Forum Post: Democide: When Your Government Kills You

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 23, 2012, 11:03 a.m. EST by Rennaye (34)
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Democide: When your Government Kills You

by Luis R. Miranda The Real Agenda February 23, 2012

When the books of history are written and those books cite the greatest threats ever faced by humankind, they usually mention, war, famine, natural disasters, and so on, but those who write history books always forget the largest threat that has endangered humans in the last 100 years or so. This threat is Democide.

Democide is the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder. Democide is not necessarily the elimination of entire cultural groups but rather groups within the country that the government feels need to be eradicated for political reasons and due to claimed future threats. This term seems to have been coined by political scientist R. J. Rummel, although it was apparently used 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.

Rummel coined the term and this helped to account for the explicit murder of people through methods that weren’t necessarily inherent to genocide as it was understood. This meant that people who were killed in democidal actions weren’t really counted as having been killed by government. What a useful creation has this been. The fact that society has a term to measure the brutality of the State throughout the past century or more, makes it even clearer to review why the writers of history did not set up a proper way to measure their own crimes. Apparently, the “scholarly classes”, who have been almost always riding along with governments — in all shapes and forms — weren’t able to properly identify murder in the hands of the State. It took a political scientist — the term is credited to Rummel — , or a writer if you attributed it to Abel’s book The Sociology of Concentration Camps, Social Forces Vol. 30, No. 2 (Dec., 1951), pp. 150-155, to help us quantify mas murder by the State.

As it turns out, neither disease not hunger nor war are the main causes of mass murder, although in many cases these situations are also caused by out of control States — more on this later — Democide is. So let’s take a look at history to see how powerful, out-of-control States have killed not millions, but hundreds of millions of their citizens just because they could and how this turns them into the number one threat to human society. No other threat, natural or man-made has ever killed more people in the last century.

No matter how carefully I think about my college years and the courses I took in two different countries, I can’t remember ever hearing about Democide. I never even heard about the main cause of human death in the history of society. Although the following accounting only shows human death by government in the last 100 years, ancient history shows that Democide, despite its lack of identification, has been present throughout human existence. I don’t know of any record that kept tabs on how many people were killed by their own kings or pharaohs back then. The term Democide is so new, that it isn’t even recognized by my spell check tool.

Conservatively, Democide is responsible for the death of at least 262 million people. This figures account for people killed mostly during the 20th century, but also includes some from the 21st century. I’ll leave it to each reader to find a way to put this number in perspective, context or to measure it in their own terms in order to make sense of it. Right now, let’s go case by case in order to add up the millions of people killed by their own governments.

China alone killed 76,702,000 of its people between the years of 1949-1987. The country has been for many decades under the rule of the Communist Party, which is directly responsible for the oppression and murder of all of these people. Some say the Chinese rulers even show pride for their crimes and admit to them. Before Mao arrived to power, the Chinese rulers had already killed around 3,468,000 people.

The USSR, in power over a region that includes what we know today as Russia is responsible for murdering 61,911,000 of its citizens between the years of 1917-1987.

Western colonialists in recent history do not escape murder of people by the millions. The powers that control most of the world today, which launched conquest campaigns all over the planet killing locals and later their own citizens, are responsible for a total of 50,000,000 murders. Most of these happened in the 20th century, although the way things are going, there is no reason to think that these powerful forces will outdo themselves in the 21st century.

In the case of Germany, while the country was under the rule of Adolf Hitler between the years of 1933-1945, the government murdered a total of 20,946,000 people, most of whom were not Jews. Depending on what book or encyclopedia is consulted, the number of Jews murdered by Nazi mandate was about 6.000,000. So as abhorrent as the Jewish genocide seems, an even greater genocide happened to non-Jewish people under Hitler.

In the case of Japan, the country saw most of its Democide during the years of the monarchy, which was responsible for the murder of 5,964,000 people between the years of 1935-1945.

Meanwhile in Cambodia, infamous Pol Pot and his accomplices from the Khmer Rouge, who were put in place and funded by the US government, were responsible for killing 2,035,000 people between 1975-1979. This number was back then about a third of the Cambodian population. Maybe this number should be put under the American tab.

Murder by the Turkish government now comes into view. Between 1909-1918, Turkey murdered 1,883,000 of its own as well as Armenian people. Vietnam came just short, murdering 1,670,000 people between 1945-1987.

In Europe, Poland also has its own massacre record. The government in there killed 1,585,000 people between 1945-1948.

Pakistan does not escape murder by the millions either. The repressive regimes that have ruled the country killed 1,503,000 people between 1958-1987.

The nation of Yugoslavia mostly under dictator Josip Broz Tito killed at least 1,072,000 people as accounted between 1944-1987.

In the lower but not less murderous places of history appear countries like North Korea, with 1,663,000 murdered people, Mexico with 1,417,000 killed and Russia with 1,072,000 murders.

As someone rightfully put it, Government is winning the war against humanity.

It is important to explain that the conservative total of 262,000,000 murders by government does not include the deaths of people who were direct victims of military actions — military casualties. Those would amount to some 88,000,000, taking the total to about 350 million deaths by Government action.

It is also extremely important to say that all of these murders by government happened under the premise that such action — Democide — was illegal. No government had ever claimed that Democide, under any circumstance was correct, moral or legal. Except that now the United States government has done such a thing. Under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, the US government has given itself the legal prerogative to murder any and however many of its citizens under the excuse of National Security.

If illegal Democide was able to end the lives of between 262,000,000 and 350,000,000 people in just a century or so, can you imagine what legalized Democide will be able to accomplish in the next 100 years? If you are not shocked by now, please let me try one more time. The previous accounting of murder by government does not include secret government operations such as false-flag terror, sterilization campaigns, poisoning with chemicals in the food and water, laboratory-created disease and so on. That we’ll leave for another time.

By the way, the source for this article is called history.




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[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Political Ponerology, the study of governmental/power evil. http://ponerology.com/

". . . Evil requires a truly modern and scientific approach to lay bare its secrets. This approach is called “ponerology”, the study of evil, from the Greek “poneros” = evil.

"The original manuscript of this book went into the furnace minutes before a secret police raid in Communist Poland. The second copy, painfully reassembled by scientists working under impossible conditions of violence and repression, was sent via courier to the Vatican. Its receipt was never acknowledged - the manuscript and all valuable data lost. In 1984, the third and final copy was written from memory by the last survivor of the original researchers: Andrew Lobaczewski. Zbigniew Brzezinski blocked its publication.

"After half a century of suppression, this book is finally available. . . .

"Political Ponerology is a study of the founders and supporters of oppressive political regimes. Lobaczewski’s approach analyzes the common factors that lead to the propagation of man’s inhumanity to man. Morality and humanism cannot long withstand the predations of this evil. Knowledge of its nature – and its insidious effect on both individuals and groups - is the only antidote."

[-] 3 points by Rennaye (34) 2 years ago

This is a PRICELESS find. This is one of the subjects I study and have only now heard of this book. How did you uncover this information? I must order a copy.

Yes...that Zbigniew Brzezinski is evil incarnate.

O how I wish more people understood that the financial crisis is just the tip of the iceberg. That we actually have bigger problems on the horizon.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate this post. Keep up the good fight. Expose expose! Thank you.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

It's shown up here a few times. Using the http://ows.superunion.org/ search:



Tip of the iceberg is correct.

Regarding Lobaczewski's prose, one does get used it after a while. It is just a super book.

And thank you for posting on this topic. Great.

[-] 1 points by Rennaye (34) 2 years ago

Once again....I thank you for this valuable information. What staggers the imagination, is the amount of collusion that is necessary for governments to pull this off. They personify narcissistic megalomaniacs. In its purest definition....they are mentally ill.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17694) 2 years ago

The book referenced by 'nomdeguerre' above ( http://ponerology.com/ ) is a heavy, page-turning and somewhat disturbing read. If anyone doesn't want to spend the money, then this link is for a decent and printable overview : http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf .

For anyone who does want to own a copy : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Political-Ponerology-Science-Adjusted-Purposes/dp/1897244258 .

fiat lux et nil desperandum !

[-] 1 points by Rennaye (34) 2 years ago

Holy $hit shadz......I don't know how you do it! You saved me buckets of time. I will still order the book for my collection , but now I can read it tonight.

If this book isn't required reading by OWS, protesters, activists.....hell, anyone living under any government, then I don't know what is.

If the masses had this information at their disposal, then certainly, there would be light. As far as desperation, well.....so far I've managed to keep it at bay.

Thanks a whole bunch shadz

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17694) 2 years ago

Gr8 & now we all know that you are the original 'Rennaye' and NOT some other 'TrashyImposterBot' !!

pax et lux.

[-] 1 points by LetsEvolve (9) 2 years ago

Thank goodness there are people that are brave enough to post these kinds of things. These evil pieces of $hit need to be exposed !! Thanks for the post.



[-] 0 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

to me "democide" would be suggestive of killing a democracy or a democrat or something

i do not think it is a very good coinage, from a purely linguistic standpoint

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

anyway thats my 50 cents

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

you do realize that demos is a Greek word for the people. and with the military and prison industrial complexes our gov't funds, I believe the word is apt. People killers seems like a cool coinage. no?

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

oooooh no i didnt know that, i guess it is a cool coinage from a purely linguistic perspective

thats my new 50 cents

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17694) 2 years ago

'b6' : So how come there's still change left over from your dollar ? Joking aside, try this for a decent & printable overview : http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf . pax.

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

i am not in the habit of opening links in here. to me its a trap into the whole informed-about-occupy thing.

you might me trying to trick me into reading something dry

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17694) 2 years ago

Hmmmm ! Frightened of 'entrapment by information' !! Very Interesting !!!

Consider that a concomitant and corollary of 'making like an ostrich' ie. burying your head in the sand is that ... your (x) is left, high, dry and bare, so don't be too surprised if someone comes along to apply a boot once in a while ... as it is for your own benefit in the long run ;-)

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

no whats in my own benefit is smoking a joint and listening to some music and playing the piano. in the long run and the short run.

people like you will protect my other self-interests, as usual. i am counting on you, do not let me down

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

come on shadz i didnt mean to hurt your feelings. come back to me </3

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

that motherfucker never cared about my self interest after all. little bastard.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17694) 2 years ago

TCH, Tch, tch - so much for the alleged 'THC', eh?! D'you know what 'they' say about 'Love', don't you ? No! In that case try & only if you dare : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHYOXyy1ToI&feature=related

audaces fortuna iuvat !!

[-] 0 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

also, its because i used the same 50 cents i just called it new

[-] -2 points by buik6 (18) 2 years ago

i dont like that last sentence tho. its um, rude to write "its called [itself]"

if someone said that to me at the bar, its called manners or some shit, i would say what is it called when you suck my dick, man?