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Forum Post: Democide: Murder by Government - When Your Government Kills You

Posted 8 years ago on April 29, 2013, 6 p.m. EST by Renneye (3874)
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"Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars."


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by Luis R. Miranda The Real Agenda February 23, 2012

When the books of history are written and those books cite the greatest threats ever faced by humankind, they usually mention, war, famine, natural disasters, and so on, but those who write history books always forget the largest threat that has endangered humans in the last 100 years or so. This threat is Democide.

Democide is the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder. Democide is not necessarily the elimination of entire cultural groups but rather groups within the country that the government feels need to be eradicated for political reasons and due to claimed future threats. This term seems to have been coined by political scientist R. J. Rummel, although it was apparently used 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.

Rummel coined the term and this helped to account for the explicit murder of people through methods that weren’t necessarily inherent to genocide as it was understood. This meant that people who were killed in democidal actions weren’t really counted as having been killed by government. What a useful creation has this been. The fact that society has a term to measure the brutality of the State throughout the past century or more, makes it even clearer to review why the writers of history did not set up a proper way to measure their own crimes. Apparently, the “scholarly classes”, who have been almost always riding along with governments — in all shapes and forms — weren’t able to properly identify murder in the hands of the State. It took a political scientist — the term is credited to Rummel — , or a writer if you attributed it to Abel’s book The Sociology of Concentration Camps, Social Forces Vol. 30, No. 2 (Dec., 1951), pp. 150-155, to help us quantify mas murder by the State.

As it turns out, neither disease not hunger nor war are the main causes of mass murder, although in many cases these situations are also caused by out of control States — more on this later — Democide is. So let’s take a look at history to see how powerful, out-of-control States have killed not millions, but hundreds of millions of their citizens just because they could and how this turns them into the number one threat to human society. No other threat, natural or man-made has ever killed more people in the last century.

No matter how carefully I think about my college years and the courses I took in two different countries, I can’t remember ever hearing about Democide. I never even heard about the main cause of human death in the history of society. Although the following accounting only shows human death by government in the last 100 years, ancient history shows that Democide, despite its lack of identification, has been present throughout human existence. I don’t know of any record that kept tabs on how many people were killed by their own kings or pharaohs back then. The term Democide is so new, that it isn’t even recognized by my spell check tool.

Conservatively, Democide is responsible for the death of at least 262 million people. This figures account for people killed mostly during the 20th century, but also includes some from the 21st century. I’ll leave it to each reader to find a way to put this number in perspective, context or to measure it in their own terms in order to make sense of it. Right now, let’s go case by case in order to add up the millions of people killed by their own governments.

China alone killed 76,702,000 of its people between the years of 1949-1987. The country has been for many decades under the rule of the Communist Party, which is directly responsible for the oppression and murder of all of these people. Some say the Chinese rulers even show pride for their crimes and admit to them. Before Mao arrived to power, the Chinese rulers had already killed around 3,468,000 people.

The USSR, in power over a region that includes what we know today as Russia is responsible for murdering 61,911,000 of its citizens between the years of 1917-1987.

Western colonialists in recent history do not escape murder of people by the millions. The powers that control most of the world today, which launched conquest campaigns all over the planet killing locals and later their own citizens, are responsible for a total of 50,000,000 murders. Most of these happened in the 20th century, although the way things are going, there is no reason to think that these powerful forces will outdo themselves in the 21st century.

In the case of Germany, while the country was under the rule of Adolf Hitler between the years of 1933-1945, the government murdered a total of 20,946,000 people, most of whom were not Jews. Depending on what book or encyclopedia is consulted, the number of Jews murdered by Nazi mandate was about 6.000,000. So as abhorrent as the Jewish genocide seems, an even greater genocide happened to non-Jewish people under Hitler.

In the case of Japan, the country saw most of its Democide during the years of the monarchy, which was responsible for the murder of 5,964,000 people between the years of 1935-1945.

Meanwhile in Cambodia, infamous Pol Pot and his accomplices from the Khmer Rouge, who were put in place and funded by the US government, were responsible for killing 2,035,000 people between 1975-1979. This number was back then about a third of the Cambodian population. Maybe this number should be put under the American tab.

Murder by the Turkish government now comes into view. Between 1909-1918, Turkey murdered 1,883,000 of its own as well as Armenian people. Vietnam came just short, murdering 1,670,000 people between 1945-1987.

In Europe, Poland also has its own massacre record. The government in there killed 1,585,000 people between 1945-1948.

Pakistan does not escape murder by the millions either. The repressive regimes that have ruled the country killed 1,503,000 people between 1958-1987.

The nation of Yugoslavia mostly under dictator Josip Broz Tito killed at least 1,072,000 people as accounted between 1944-1987.

In the lower but not less murderous places of history appear countries like North Korea, with 1,663,000 murdered people, Mexico with 1,417,000 killed and Russia with 1,072,000 murders.

As someone rightfully put it, Government is winning the war against humanity.

It is important to explain that the conservative total of 262,000,000 murders by government does not include the deaths of people who were direct victims of military actions — military casualties. Those would amount to some 88,000,000, taking the total to about 350 million deaths by Government action.

It is also extremely important to say that all of these murders by government happened under the premise that such action — Democide — was illegal. No government had ever claimed that Democide, under any circumstance was correct, moral or legal. Except that now the United States government has done such a thing. Under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, the US government has given itself the legal prerogative to murder any and however many of its citizens under the excuse of National Security.

If illegal Democide was able to end the lives of between 262,000,000 and 350,000,000 people in just a century or so, can you imagine what legalized Democide will be able to accomplish in the next 100 years? If you are not shocked by now, please let me try one more time. The previous accounting of murder by government does not include secret government operations such as false-flag terror, sterilization campaigns, poisoning with chemicals in the food and water, laboratory-created disease and so on. That we’ll leave for another time.


There is great forum discussion on this subject on this thread as well...

Courtesy of GirlFriday: http://occupywallst.org/forum/right-wing-medias-own-legal-experts-undermine-camp/



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[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

gnomunny (4287) "Throughout human history, political and economic leaders genuinely have been the cause of enormous amounts of death and misery, and they sometimes have engaged in conspiracies while at the same time promoting conspiracy theories about their targets. Hitler and Stalin would be merely the 20th century's most prominent examples; there have been numerous others. In some cases there have been claims dismissed as conspiracy theories that later proved to be true."

Bears repeating.....

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Anybody heard of the Creel Commission? Do you know the government mounts a campaign to convince you to got to war? Well then how about the campaign to keep the Korean war quiet and popular, or how about the campaign to keep the Vietnam War popular, Well how about the campaign to keep the Pentagon papers quiet, how about the Watergate documents, .. how about the campaign to keep the False Flag start of the Vietnam war secret, how about all the false evidence presented in the start to the Iraqi war...

Well it is only a Nobel Lie. The nation must send kids to die, so that we keep America strong and militaristic.

Does it matter if you are lied to about the reasons for war.???

It is an honest question as we have new generations going to war or pressing the buttons to send drones to kill people in houses.

But I wouldn't know anything about it.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

The Creel Committee ~ Shaping public opinion to accept...even desire various forms of 'Democide'.

Thanks bunches, 'Ma', for sharing further still, the vast and enlightened vestibules of your brain!!

~ "The Committee on Public Information, also known as the CPI or the Creel Committee, was an independent agency of the government of the United States created to influence U.S. public opinion regarding American participation in World War I. Over just 28 months, from April 13, 1917, to August 21, 1919, it used every medium available to create enthusiasm for the war effort and enlist public support against foreign attempts to undercut America's war aims.

The purpose of the CPI was to influence American public opinion toward supporting U.S. participation in World War I via a prolonged propaganda campaign.[3] The CPI at first used material that was based on fact, but spun it to present an upbeat picture of the American war effort. In his memoirs, Creel claimed that the CPI routinely denied false or undocumented atrocity reports, fighting the crude propaganda efforts of "patriotic organizations" like the National Security League and the American Defense Society that preferred "general thundering" and wanted the CPI to "preach a gospel of hate."[4]

The committee used newsprint, posters, radio, telegraph, cable and movies to broadcast its message. It recruited about 75,000 "Four Minute Men," volunteers who spoke about the war at social events for an ideal length of four minutes, considering that the average human attention span was judged at the time to be four minutes. They covered the draft, rationing, war bond drives, victory gardens and why America was fighting. It was estimated that by the end of the war, they had made more than 7.5 million speeches to 314 million people in 5,200 communities.[5]" ~


[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Creating the Desire for our own democide. Good Point, RE.

Yes, Madison Avenue meets K Street meets the President's Administration and Congressional Defense Players.

After all... it is the President that Sells the War, Drones, NDAA, the Patriot Act, Domestic Spying programs through AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or who have you.

Analysis of seven Fascist Regimes leads to the following trends:

  1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.

  2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.

  3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.

  4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.

  5. Rampant sexism.

  6. A controlled mass media.

  7. Obsession with national security.

  8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.

  9. Power of corporations protected.

  10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.

  11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

  12. Obsession with crime and punishment.

  13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.

  14. Fraudulent elections. and as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Fascism Anyone?

Fascism’s principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for.

By Laurence W. Britt

The cliché that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm.


[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag." - Huey Long

Wonderful link, 'Ma'.

I noticed this very same modus operandi starting a couple of years ago, to play out right before my eyes.

This romanticizing of war...and it seems to have worked up to a fever pitch as of late. I see the beating of the war drums everywhere.

The propagandized MSM news is a given, but I see it in the schools, commercially wrapped army recruitment vehicles, and its absolutely rampant in the entertainment business. I see it strategically weaved into current pop culture in movie theatres and music videos...and sadly the military indoctrination is hitting hard in children's cartoons and other programming.

The Pentagon has an 'Entertainment Division', if you can imagine! Sheesh!!


Thanks once again, 'Ma', for your teemingly informative contributions on democide, and other important subjects on the forum.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Watching park Avenue reflecting on how hard it is to listen to others who might be in Republican party or Tea party... It is hard to say, "Yes, we are losing privacy & rights, but can you see we are also Violating Human Rights".

I swear last month I met a guy that said, "I Like when the World was Afraid of the USA. I think it was Great when we Dropped the Nuclear Bombs".

This man apparently is unhappy with Obama & the Democrats, but he is unwilling to break from the TWO PARTY Paradigm. He says he watches the History Channel about the US Military. Maybe the History Channel has something to answer for here.

OWS is full of people that are willing to engage in conversation and mix with people. This is a huge strength for the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, ETC.

Somehow I have to sell my belief that the US Conspiracy is supported and Enabled by Both Parties. How?

I think the Financial Crisis, The Fraud, The Lack of Reform, The Money in Politics, the Corruption are all the points to winning over GOP Voters. We have to be smarter and better informed than they are so we can will the debates. I think this is how Christianity conquered the West. The Created A Doctrine at the Nicaean Convention.


You see before the Nicaean Creed there were Heterodox Views. These people were called Heretics.

  The Nicene Creed has been normative for the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, and many Protestant denominations, forming the eponymous mainstream definition of Christianity itself in Nicene Christianity.[2]     

GOP has an Orthodox republic view. OWS is heterodox. I say that much of the GOP is Heterodox to America. Corporatism, Laissez-Fair Capitalism, Status Quo Politics, and Neoliberalism are Orthodox to the Republican Party.

Progressive Business and Government Practices & Policies could be called Conservative Practices. Laissez-Fair Capitalism and Deregulation could be called Heterodox.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

shhhhh - "loose lips sink ships"

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

UK Democide and Conspiracy?

Pat Finucane (solicitor)

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For other people named Patrick Finucane, see Patrick Finucane (disambiguation).

Mural in Falls Road, west Belfast Patrick Finucane (1949 – 12 February 1989)[1] was a Belfast solicitor killed by loyalist paramilitaries. His killing was one of the most controversial during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.[2] Finucane came to prominence due to successfully challenging the British Government over several important human rights cases in the 1980s.[3] He was shot fourteen times as he sat eating a meal at his Belfast home with his three children and his wife, who was also wounded during the attack.[4] In September 2004, a UDA informer, Ken Barrett, pleaded guilty to his murder.[5]

Two public investigations concluded that elements of the British security forces colluded in Finucane's murder and there have been high-profile calls for a public inquiry. However, in October 2011, it was announced that a planned public inquiry would be replaced by a less wide-ranging review. This review, led by Desmond Lorenz de Silva, released a report in December 2012 acknowledging that the case entailed "a wilful and abject failure by successive Governments";[6][7] however, Finucane's family called the De Silva report a "sham."[8]

Looks like it.

I found reference to this here:


MURDER OF HUMAN RIGHTS ATTORNEY PATRICK FINUCANE Committee on Foreign Affairs: Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights, and International Organizations held a hearing entitled ``Recent Developments in the Investigation of the Murder of Human Rights Attorney Patrick Finucane''. Testimony was heard from public witnesses.


The British government was heavily criticised at a US congressional committee on Wednesday for reneging on a pledge to hold an inquiry into one of the most controversial incidents of the Northern Ireland Troubles, the killing of Belfast civil rights lawyer Pat Finucane.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago


Good to see the term in circulation.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Democide totals are so large above. We seem to have avoided much of the Death seen In Europe and in China in the 20th Century. The USA is lucky to be Isolated and Modern.

I know there are still people in Europe that feel the US should have come to war sooner in WWII. And I even ran into a guy once that said the US left the Czech Republic in a bad situation of brutal repression in 1968 in a Prague Spring when the Soviets Invaded.


Approximately 350,000 Hungarian officials and intellectuals were purged from 1948 to 1956.[98]

Fraudulent Polish elections held in January 1947 resulted in Poland's official transformation to a non-democratic communist state by 1949, the People's Republic of Poland. Resistance fighters continued to battle Communists in the Ukrainian annexed portions of eastern Poland, the Soviet response to which included the arrest of as many as 600,000 people between 1944 and 1952, with about one third executed and the rest imprisoned or exiled.[91]

I can't imagine how many FEMA Camps it would take to imprison 600K....

Hm... I didn't know East Germany actually had a SMERSH

An elaborate political police apparatus kept the population under close surveillance,[68] including Soviet SMERSH secret police.[65] A tight system of censorship restricted access to print or the airwaves.[68]

Most of Germany east of the Oder–Neisse line, which contained much of Germany's fertile land, was transferred to what remained of unilaterally Soviet-controlled Poland.[58] At the end of World War II, political opposition immediately materialized after occupying Soviet army personnel conducted systematic pillaging and rapes in their zone of then divided Germany,[59] with total rape victim estimates ranging from tens of thousands to two million.[60][61][62]


[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Yves Smith Article Secret Free Trade Negotiations will Gut Regulations (Economy) further enrich multinationals and big Financial Firms


Baker describes in scathing terms why these types of deals are bad policy:

…these deals are about securing regulatory gains for major corporate interests. In some cases, such as increased patent and copyright protection, these deals are 180 degrees at odds with free trade. They are about increasing protectionist barriers.

All the arguments that trade economists make against tariffs and quotas apply to patent and copyright protection. The main difference is the order of magnitude. Tariffs and quotas might raise the price of various items by 20 or 30 percent. By contrast, patent and copyright protection is likely to raise the price of protected items 2,000 percent or even 20,000 percent above the free market price. Drugs that would sell for a few dollars per prescription in a free market would sell for hundreds or even thousands of dollars when the government gives a drug company a patent monopoly…

Wendesday, May 1st, 2013, Yves Smith,

The Trans-Pacific Partnership and the US-European Union “Free Trade” Agreement are both inaccurately depicted as being helpful to ordinary Americans by virtue of liberalizing trade. Instead, the have perilous little to do with trade. They are both intended to make the world more lucrative for major corporations by weakening regulations and by strengthening intellectual property laws.


  • The Trans-Pacific Partnership
  • The US-European Union “Free Trade” Agreement
  • The WTO, General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS)
  • SOPA

  • The idea is that once a deal is completed there will be enormous political pressure for Congress to approve it no matter what it contains….news outlets like the Washington Post will use both their news and opinion sections to bash members of Congress who oppose a deal. They will be endlessly portrayed as ignorant Neanderthals who do not understand economics.

  • The reality of course is that it is the “free traders” who either do not understand economics or deliberately choose to ignore it. Many of the provisions that we are likely to see in these deals, like stronger patent protections, will slow growth and cost jobs.

  • These deals will also lead to more upward redistribution of income. The more money that people in the developing world pay to Pfizer for drugs and Microsoft for software, the less money they will pay for the products that we export, as opposed to “intellectual property rights”….

  • This is yet another case where the government is working for a tiny elite against the interests of the bulk of the population.

Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/05/secret-free-trade-negotiations-will-gut-regulations-further-enrich-multinationals-and-big-financial-firms.html#Qy0wpDG6Lk6C7zXf.99

So the Principal here could be, A) if it is created in the Dark with the appearance of Deceit, then congress should not sign it. B) Congress should not Sign Anything, Any Law that it does not Fully Understand. C) If Congress is being pressured to Sign any US Trade or Foreign Agreement, then that looks like Manipulation, Conspiracy, Racketeering, and Congressional Capture ... if not Regulatory Capture D) What the hell does Congress think we have it up there for if not to Prevent Legislative Coups, Deregulation of Banks, and Creation of a Special Class of US Citizens who get Special Tax Rates because they work as Hedge Fund Managers!!!???@#%&

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

But hey...according to many here at ows, governments and corporate elite don't conspire against their people, right? It is to laugh. ~.^

Thanks again, for your amazing work here, 'Ma'!!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Thanks, what a nice thing to say. I thought I was in a lightly visited café/salon today... I guess there are a few of us here.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

No, 'Ma'...thank you. And no worries about being alone on this forum. 98% of my time on the forum is spent reading, learning and looking on.

I'm watching you. ~.^

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

SMERSH An elaborate political police apparatus kept the population under close surveillance,[68] including Soviet SMERSH secret police.[65] A tight system of censorship restricted access to print or the airwaves.[68]

bumping this for fun. Thanks for the wink. It's the only love I got today... I guess I should phone a friend, lol. =;-) Mohawk.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

SMERSH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMERSH

That's pretty messed up 'Ma'! I think that perhaps life has 'never' been what we thought it was.

'the only love I got today'. Oh my, well, that's just unacceptable! ~.^

I hope said call, turned out well, 'Ma'. That's what friends are for.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

You have your king. We look for total change. Forgive the lyrics being to a woman from a man. We can all be Heroes. We can do the Right Thing. All Science Fiction is about insiders making a personal decision to oppose the system. That is why systems are so closed off. In the end it is Individuals that will start the world wars. In the end it is Individuals that will oppose the order to kill hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands.

I, I will be king
And you, you will be queen
Though nothing will drive them away
We can beat them, just for one day
We can be Heroes, just for one day

And you, you can be mean
And I, I'll drink all the time
'Cause we're lovers, and that is a fact
Yes we're lovers, and that is that

Though nothing, will keep us together
We could steal time,
just for one day
We can be Heroes, for ever and ever
What d'you say?

I, I wish you could swim
Like the dolphins, like dolphins can swim
Though nothing,
nothing will keep us together
We can beat them, for ever and ever
Oh we can be Heroes,
just for one day

I, I will be king
And you, you will be queen
Though nothing will drive them away
We can be Heroes, just for one day
We can be us, just for one day

I, I can remember (I remember)
Standing, by the wall (by the wall)
And the guns shot above our heads
(over our heads)
And we kissed,
as though nothing could fall
(nothing could fall)
And the shame was on the other side
Oh we can beat them, for ever and ever
Then we could be Heroes,
just for one day

We can be Heroes
We can be Heroes
We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be Heroes

We're nothing, and nothing will help us
Maybe we're lying,
then you better not stay
But we could be safer,
just for one day

Oh-oh-oh-ohh, oh-oh-oh-ohh,
just for one day

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

"We Can All Be Heroes"

Ahhhh yes, 'Ma'. A truer beauty would be hard to find. The love of humanity for each other.

"We can do the right thing."

You are sooo right! . We, have it within our grasp, to do the right thing. We, can make the personal choices each and every day to not perpetuate the suffering of our fellow human beings. We can quite literally starve the beast with relatively simple things to get rid of the demand for the things we think we need, that keep our brothers and sisters in chains.

Thanks kindly, 'Ma'...for this captivating written version of the David Bowie song.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

I was regretting posting this. There are many emotions in art. This song has a quality of youth... immaturity.

But consider what art or Spirit is without emotion.

Some of us can live in a culture that doesn't sing in our community... doesn't dance in our community... doesn't value creating music nor playing instruments... doesn't seem to acknowledge value in letting go, showing emotion, doing kind acts in the work place...

Of course we can be raised to value work, working, earning, ability to earn, toughness, coldness, aloofness, aggressiveness, displays of anger, displays of dominance, displays of commitment to career, displays of extra efforts to advance career & within the organization.

This is why I find Soul in Latin America and Asia.

This is the deeper value of Native Americans or Aboriginals.

I visualize workers being very sterile, emotionless, cold & power hungry. Only to be slightly off set by choosing sports teams, watching MSM entertainment. Maybe this is part of the Value for Young low wage earning workers or immigrant work forces. Maybe others see this Vision of a London Suit or a Soldier who has lost his soul.

Culture and Art brings Creativity, Karaoke, Late night dancing, and new Inventions, and Discoveries.

And so it is with mixed feelings that I post Lyrics.

Thanks, for your Kind Remarks.... I think you hit the point better than I did. Recently heard a man say he changed anothers Life, by suggesting the person perform acts of kindness everyday.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Awww...never regret, mon chere. What are we here working for, if it isn't to do away with the ugliness of corporate oppression and replace it with freedom and peace. To live a life of beauty with our fellow human beings, sharing in 'culture & art, creativity, new inventions, discoveries, and mmmmm........late night dancing.'

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Mon ami, j'ai négligé les langues Romance. Je suis si désolé. Pardonnez-moi.

Beaucoup de culture et la créativité sont indiquées par la langue.

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

I'm lucky to speak two languages, others are luckier still. If globally, our kids could focus on education and learning languages instead of child labour and governments killing them, our world would be a much more empathic one. Understanding, compassion and LOVE would reign.

Do not apologize, mon chere...you do so beautifully in your mother tongue. Besides, music is the universal language, every note and cadence, understood by all. ~.^

A Better Place ~ Playing For Change - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVHOqrw3Jks

And, for you...

Sloe Jin ~ Joe Bonamassa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_6yCHnSI4

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Hm, wow good picks for me. Thanx Great Internet Collaboration on first one for International Human Rights Day. On the second you reminded me I never actually fully crossed over into Electric Lead (I'm terrible).... but I never tired light strings. When I was like 16 I broke strings on my acoustic guitar, but didn't really have the money so stuck with medium or heavy strings.

I have stress injuries now, but I should get out the guitar and see if I need to try out light strings to really express my lead soul.

Joe Bonamassa, turn it up a little. He is using space well. I like the mood. I like the Buddha lite up on stage. The lyrics speak to me as well. The perfect gift. Thanks, RE.

Alas, our response to needing resources is to make people work and berate them... even when they are children. What is wrong with Peace Love and Understanding? Especially as we struggle in this human experience. And I'm guessing based on old Hollywood that fewer Americans Value other cultures and language, but could be that our American Cities are secret melting pots that still welcome immigrant culture. I still find great restaurants, new bakeries, and new European stores when I visit the cities.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

You're welcome, 'Ma'...and so sorry to hear about the stress injuries.

Glad you enjoyed Joe Bonamassa. He's a special talent. Not unlike yourself, 'Ma'.

Thank you, for your incredible body of unique information and more recently, your unique perspective & philosophy on this information. Your thoughts on 'Democide', being no exception.

"What is wrong with Peace Love and Understanding?" Well, absolutely nothing.


[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

That's a great song. Just your style, too.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

I enjoyed your response. Thanks for your help here. Looks like a sunny day now. The sun is coming up. Have a couple of ideas to look at. Hope you are inspired today and that all of your people are well. Going to try to explore more regarding Nick Lowe song. I see others have sung it as well. I'm not really aware of Nick's work, but I was quoting him in the above post.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

I dont think anyone wants to see my late night dancing... Makes Elaine from Seinfeld look like Usher.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Depends on your perspective, hc. Good entertainment is hard to find. I might pay good money to watch your late night dancing. ~.^

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

A few of us. May is scheduled to be busy.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

I couldn't see anything yesterday on the live feed, so I haven't checked back on it.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Me either - but I figure it has some to do with the reduced traffic.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Silly sellouts/shills/corpoRATists.

As I don't think there are whole lot of naive OWS supporters.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Thanks, DKA. You're right. I think I just took in a little too much bad news. I can get a little cynical sometimes. I'll pull out of it.

Emmylou Harris - Let Us Pause In Life's Pleasures - live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UGkS-GsJwg&list=PL15266DAD02C3EE80

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago
[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago
[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Nice back! Funny, I was just discussing that movie with someone the other night. Alison Krauss is amazing. Her and Emmylou Harris have worked together several times.

I'm not even slightly religious, but I fully embrace everyone's right to believe whatever they want. But...don't be too upset with me, if I try to gently change your mind. ~.^

If nothing else, some of the world's most beautiful music has come out of religion.

Emmylou Harris - Satan's Jewel Crown - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94dm-dBY4GM

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I don't believe in religion - it is man made. But I really liked the song ( Alison Krauss "is" amazing ) - and prayer? Can be a good meditation tool.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Ditto to all, DKA. My mistake then. I don't know what I'm remembering, but I thought you believed.

Well, if that's the case, then perhaps this is a better choice.

Playing For Change ~ United - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_HdA6Vnx4

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I believe in God - I do not believe that life was an accident and I do believe that there is more to life than what we are experiencing - I just don't believe in religions.

Playing For Change ~ United - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_HdA6Vnx4

Very nice.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

CIA Suitcases of US Cash. The New York Times had reported that for more than a decade, the CIA had given the Afghan National Security Council tens of millions of dollars in monthly payments delivered in suitcases, backpacks and plastic shopping bags.


There has to be a better way.

I been saying for years that we are using foreign policy that is 50 years or going back to the end of World War II, 68 years old.

The USA wants access to the Smartest Scientist & all Global Resources just as any modern country does. We use negotiations, incentives like money, aid money, humanitarian aid, economic aid, developmental aid, weapons, loans for weapons, training for military forces.... Maybe Trust Funds in Off Shore Bank Accounts???

Clearly our Foreign Policy has to do with:

1) The Permanence of War some where near all countries
2) No Belief in Sovereignty or Self Determination for other countries
3) The Policy that we can Invade any failed State
4) The Policy of First Strike (Bush Doctrine?)
5) Not so subtle Covert Regime Change Actions and support of Political Actors in other countries
6) Expeditionary War, where we go more than 500 miles off shore to attack, bomb, drone strike, send troops, conduct military operations on the ground
7) Use International Organizations, US Think Tanks, US Foundations, and US Economic Ideology to influence the foreign counties Banking, Finance, Labor Policy, Social Programs, and Private Ownership & Public Ownership of Resources to our advantage...

Well, with all of these Capitalist Institutions and the Deep Beliefs in Neoliberal Policies in Europe, America, Latin America, and now China and all of Asia.... Seems that only Small Changes will be possible.

A) Maybe we will set aside expeditionary war in the future
B) But the more likely influence will be International Treaties and Agreement being Created to Formalize Global Trade Ideas, Proprietary Rights, Copy Rights, and Preserve the "Old World Order" and probably Neoliberal ideology since the USA is so Influential.

LATE ADD: Chinese Backlash over US Foreign Policy


Comment Crew’s continuous spying reportedly provided China with a wealth of secret information on QinetiQ’s drones, satellites, military robotics, and the US Army’s combat helicopter fleet. The spies also stole several terabytes – equivalent to hundreds of millions of pages – of documents and data on weapons programs.

NOTE: China has been Attacking & Hacking US Defense Computers for at least 13 Years. Can you say someone should be Fired. Can you say Criminal Negligence. Can you say shouldn't the US Leadership start holding People Accountable instead of Promoting them and Giving them a Peace Prize or Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Thinking out loud here. The question is how to stop the cycle.

We know Washington DC is Wired for Racketeering through many different devices and structures that are in place.

1) Revolving Door from Government work to Industry Jobs
2) Regulation Capture
3) Gifts, Lobbying, Campaign Donations, Favors to congressmen, Low rate Mortgages, Great Low Price Deals, Selecting Trades and Congressmen's Accounts to post the Impossible Stock Trades, Setting up Trust Accounts, Setting up Off Shore Accounts
4) Career Favors for Future Favors, Career Promises, Loyalty provided by the Underling to keep his kids healthy & educated.

If I assume the US President is elected to a job that is wired so tight he can't implement Progressive Changes or Be "Successful". Then where does that leave us???!!!!@#%&$

If the Supreme Court is Wired.....
If the Congress is Wired....
If all big Players are Dependent on the Big Banks.....
If the Federal Government is dependent on TBTF Banks to keep gold & Silver Prices Down, to Loan the Treasury Money, to proved a good Credit Rating to US Bonds, to provide campaign funds....

Seems like we could only depend on a Financially Independent Wealthy American to Fight the System and survive the "Blowback".

But Protesters have been successful in the USA for 100 years. So what is a winning combination here.

1) Progressive Think Tanks
2) Progressive Universities
3) Progressive bankers & Economists
4) Progressive Foundations
5) Wealthy True Believers to fund Progressive Institutions
6) Activists, Community Organizers, Protesters, Watch Dog organizations, Alternative News Sources
7) Progressive Infiltrators into Banking, Military, Congress, Court Systems, Local Governments, State Governments
8) Education Efforts to get workers benefits, medical Benefits, Governments away from Financial Schemes and TBTF Investment Banks, formation of State Banks/Public Banks.

Not sure if that really fits your post about Democide...

Progressives have to be the Smartest Guys in the Room when there is a government meeting or a Banking Meeting or Congressional Debate about War and Individual Rights.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Great repost, Renneye. I must have missed it the first time around.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I must have missed it the first time around.

Didn't we all.

Great re-post, Renneye.


[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Thanks, 'gnomunny'...but, how would you know what's 'just my style'? ~.^

Pour Toi...

Joe Bonamassa ~ Driving Towards The Daylight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ-BAjpk0xQ

Joe Bonamassa ~ Driving Towards The Daylight - Live at Vienna Opera House (Acoustic version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8-wHaH_5JU

Joe Bonamassa ~ Wild About You Baby - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br9pE14K_Is

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (4268) from St Louis, MO 2 days ago

That's a great song. Just your style, too.

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[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

How would I know? Why, from your additions to the "Replenish, Recharge" thread. How else? ;-)

And 'Wild About You Baby' just became my favorite blues song du jour.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

"Wild About You Baby", huh? ~.^

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Well, that was before I listened to the other one. In fact, I'm going to go back and listen to 'Driving' one more time right now. What do you think of that?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago
[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Ah, yes. You can never go wrong with Carlos. One of the absolute best, I think.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Food for the soul/spirit.

Ya wanna live (?) - music will take you there.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

An absolute necessity in life. Food for the soul, yes!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago


Yes it is an absolute - music speaks to the soul - the soul is conversant with music - it - IS ( can be ) - magical.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago
[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Mmmm, Santana....

Here's to memories old...and new. May the future hold as much peace & soul as Carlos has bestowed in our past.

Very nice selection DKA...you surprise me sometimes.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

you surprise me sometimes.

How so?

One likes 2 B somewhat unpredictable - But? you surprise me sometimes? Not ALL of the time?

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Lol! I think the first song you ever posted to me was "Me and You and a Dog Named Boo". Cute, but...you know. "Samba Pa Ti", is...errr...umm, about as far from that as it gets. So yes, lets go with 'unpredictable' ~.^

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Me and You and a Dog Named Boo aAHAHAha Samba Pa Ti - about as far from that as it gets - HEEHehee - True - But - unpredictable??? - U flatter Me - perhaps wide ranged?

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Lolol!! Ok DKA, lets go with 'wide-ranged', 'cause I can't go anywhere else without getting into trouble.~.^

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

lol - Trouble - is Not necessarily a bad thing.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Heheheh! You don't have to convince me, DKA. Some of the best times I've ever had was when I was getting into trouble.

Depends on the kind of trouble you're talking about, but in my book, getting into trouble is highly underrated.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Trouble - need not be more then an unfamiliar situation. Go into it with no expectations or fears - experience the moment.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

you surprise me sometimes.


EDIT: am I really that much of a flesh eating barbarian?

Santana can take one on a flight. Ya just gotta be ready ( willing ) to travel.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Hmmm, well...one can only hope. ~.^

With Santana?! Have gypsy dress - will travel

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Got the hots for Santana, do you?

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Lolol!! Well kinda. You ok with that? ~.^

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Well, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . no, not really.

Heheh, just kiddin', Miss 'T,' just kiddin'. ;-)

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Hahahahah!! Well, good to know you're just kiddin'...Mr. 'M' ~.^

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago


G'nite, 'Renneye.'

And this time I mean it people!

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago


G'nite, 'g'.

Sleep well.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (4322) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

Night, DK.

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G-night though I may have 2 stay up for another run-through. Or 2

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

G'nite - I gotta finish the album.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Night, DK.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

If not - it IS still understandable.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Why travel - when U can FLY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIBfCj948OY

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

I'm way ahead of you, DKA...in fact, I'm already there.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Is this not one of the most awesome albums - EVER??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIBfCj948OY

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

A feast for the senses and the soul. Though not necessary...a cup of 'tantric' tea intertwines nicely.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

'tantric' tea intertwines nicely.

Uhrrrr? Sounds kinky [ That's SoooooHot ]

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Lol! Well, it does have a kind of Kama Sutra-esque feel. But hey, what do you expect...with Santana.~.^

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

what do you expect...with Santana

To soar high above the madness.

U ?

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Its cool you like Joe Bonamassa, 'g'. If you want a real treat. Youtube 'Joe Bonamassa Beacon Theatre'. Its arguably his best concert.

Actually, I'll PM the songs to you. I have them saved in a group, somewhere. Happy listening!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Sounds good. Thanks, 'R,' aka 'effoffNWO.' heheh

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Lol! Good memory, 'g'! I'd forgotten about that one. jdr ~.^

Here's a couple for tonight...

Joe Bonamassa ~ Slow Train - Live @ Beacon Theatre - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJkxyh8-KVU

Joe Bonamassa - Django - Mountain Time (At the Beacon Theatre) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbUsvNLQE_o

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Hehehe, that was definitely my favorite, I think. I laughed my ass off when I saw that username pop up.

Thanks for the tunes, Ren. The boy sure can jam.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago


Goodnight 'g'.

Sleep well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Gotta be enthusiastic about - 'Wild About You Baby'

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

A damn fine blues song, I must say. Driving Towards the Daylight is also. Kind of reminds me of my earlier days. There's been countless times I've driven towards the daylight trying to find my way home.

Most of the time I even made it! ;-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

It is the drive that sees us home - love/daylight is a stronger drive - so will be better to one.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Ah, metaphorically. Yes indeed. I often overlook the metaphors in music.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I have had intercession in my life - no other explanation - I will leave it at that - and say - the miraculous is real.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Yes - UN-explainable - totally surreal (?) -> Unbelievable.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Yep. I had an 'incident' once that definitely qualifies as unexplainable. I think I told you about it last year some time.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

We have had a couple of really good ( deep ?) conversations. Generally not 4 the open forum - unless U don't mind putting it out there 4 those who will consider - while knowing that - some assholes will try to fuck with you.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Yeah, you have to weigh what's appropriate for the open forum and what should be confined to PM's. The forum does have its share of narrow-minded assholes show up on occasion.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (4313) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

Yep, and hopefully, every now and then, one of them will see the light. Well, all of them seeing it would be ideal, but lets be reasonable. ;-)

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink.

No harm in having a dream - Plenty of harm potential in having no dreams.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

The forum does have its share of narrow-minded assholes show up on occasion.

Still - it can be good to give them a glimpse of something better ( to say the least - something better )

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Yep, and hopefully, every now and then, one of them will see the light. Well, all of them seeing it would be ideal, but lets be reasonable. ;-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago
[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

"Populations with a high proportion of growth. The young people, who are in much higher proportions in many LDCs, are likely to be more volatile, unstable, prone to extremes, alienation and violence than an older population. These young people can more readily be persuaded to attack the legal institutions of the government or real property of the ‘establishment,' ‘imperialists,' multinational corporations, or other-often foreign-influences blamed for their troubles" [Chapter V, "Implications of Population Pressures for National Security].

"We must take care that our activities should not give the appearance to the LDCs of an industrialized country policy directed against the LDCs. Caution must be taken that in any approaches in this field we support in the LDCs are ones we can support within this country. "Third World" leaders should be in the forefront and obtain the credit for successful programs. In this context it is important to demonstrate to LDC leaders that such family planning programs have worked and can work within a reasonable period of time." [Chapter I, World Demographic Trends]


National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200) was completed on December 10, 1974 by the United States National Security Council under the direction of Henry Kissinger.

The basic thesis of the memorandum was that population growth in the least developed countries (LDCs) is a concern to U.S. national security, because it would tend to risk civil unrest and political instability in countries that had a high potential for economic development.

Democide? Weird Kissinger machinations....

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Organizing for action sent me this e-mail:

This week, OFA volunteers are hand-delivering a petition to Congress with the names of every OFA supporter who's fighting to reduce gun violence.

According to our most recent records, it looks like you haven't signed it yet:

-- Petition status: Unsigned
-- Suggested action: Add your name here

It's not too late -- add your name today:


We have to keep the pressure on Congress to move on background checks -- and only you can hold your members of Congress accountable.

It's a make-or-break moment for our movement -- a real test of our commitment to keep fighting, even when it gets hard, for the things we believe in.

Thanks for all your help,


Sara El-Amine National Organizing Director Organizing for Action

I sent this reply:

Get on to meaningful actions. Such as revoking corpoRAT personhood. Breaking-up the too big to fail. Ending extraction and piping of Fossil Fuel " for export profit". Fighting attacks on medicare and social security. Get busy fighting Democide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide - you really need to get familiar with this term.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

In compliment - Confront Depraved Indifference by government

Big Wall Street megabanks are still putting American taxpayers at risk.

The biggest banking institutions -- Bank of America and Citibank -- carry more assets than they have capital to cover. That means that if those assets go sour, the banks can't recover on their own. And when a bank's failure means the failure of the American economy, the taxpayers are forced to step in.

It's called "Too Big To Fail." It's why our economy almost crumbled in 2008. And we have to make sure it never happens again.

I've got a plan to break up megabanks and protect American taxpayers. So I'm teaming up with my friends at SignOn.org to call for change. If you're on board, I need you to go sign the petition to end Too Big To Fail once and for all. Add your name here.

My new, bipartisan plan gives Wall Street megabanks a clear choice: Either have enough of your own capital to cover your losses, or downsize until you're no longer a risk to the American economy.

It's common sense. Ohio families live on a budget. They factor in groceries and mortgages, tuition and medical bills, they don't have room to pick up the tab of a Wall Street megabank that took a risk and lost.

The banking industry lobbyists are making all kinds of noise against this plan. That means we're on the right track. Now all we need is a grassroots movement of people like you to counteract them.

Too Big To Fail is too big. Join the grassroots movement calling for action. Sign the petition today.

The Wall Street megabanks are hoping that if they hold us up, we'll forget about the importance of ending TBTF and move on to other things.

Help me show them: We're not going anywhere. Call for an end to Too Big To Fail now.

Thank you.


Paid for by Friends of Sherrod Brown

Contributions or gifts to Friends of Sherrod Brown are not tax deductible.

Personalize your response.

This is what I added:

Members of Congress show the American People and the People of the rest of the world - That the Government of the USA is not Guilty of DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE. Break-up The Too Big To Fail. End Democide. This would be only one step in doing so.

Democide - the term - get familiar with it.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

This should be a very busy post.


Democide goes to the heart of what we are facing today - here - and around the world.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

I am continually amazed, amused, befuddled, and angered at what passes sometimes for subject matter and discussion on the forum.

The most thought provoking of threads are sometimes overlooked, or worse, outrightly ignored. There are a few very important threads here that get little attention, while the dumbest of threads stay at the top. It does stagger the imagination, at times.

There are a number of reasons of course, but it can be infuriating, I know....and sometimes...it is to laugh.

But this subject just isn't funny is it? I see your work with the definition of 'Democide' over the last several days, and I have to commend you for your efforts. Many more people know what democide is this week compared to last week because of your crusade.

You are a warrior, DKA! Thank you.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

You are a warrior. A warrior who has been attacked heavily. Thanks for providing the material and for staying in the fight.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

President Obama is touring the country, talking about the economy, job creation, and income inequality. But his administration is negotiating with Republicans in a last-ditch attempt to strike a “grand bargain” to cut Medicare.

Tell President Obama: Medicare works. Stop pursuing a grand bargain that will hurt seniors and undercut the most successful healthcare program in America.

According to the Wall Street Journal, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough is meeting with Sen. John McCain and other leading Republicans to discuss cutting Medicare benefits.

Since becoming law in 1965, Medicare has lifted millions of American seniors out of poverty and kept millions more from falling into it. President Obama can’t expect us to take his talk about income inequality seriously as his closest advisers are discussing cutting the most successful health care program in American history.

Sign the petition: Stop negotiating a grand bargain to cut Medicare.

Keep fighting, Michael Langenmayr Campaign Director, Daily Kos

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

The radical Republicans in Congress like to make a lot of noise. Guess who's louder than a bunch of career politicians completely out of touch with their constituents? You.

Remember when Todd Akin was not only a member of Congress, he was a member of the House Science and Technology Committee? Remember when he made one of the most ludicrous statements ever uttered about the female body?

Here's a reminder of what he said: "First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare... If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

We mobilized and voted that ignorant politician out of office. Let's do it again to some of his like-minded friends!

We shut Akin down, but there are still too many Republicans in Washington with appallingly anti-woman, anti-family records. There are Democratic women waiting to run against the likes of Akin. Show these candidates you'll support them when the time comes to defeat the GOP in the next election cycle.

Take the pledge to support Democratic, pro-choice women candidates and send the GOP packing!

Thank you for taking action,

Colleen H. c Care2 and ThePetitionSite Team

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Two years ago, President Obama promised in his State of the Union address to protect Social Security. So why is he considering a change that would mean $112 billion in cuts to Social Security over ten years?

The President's speech two years ago included a promise we can all agree with: We should strengthen Social Security without cutting the benefits of current retirees.

But just over a month ago on Meet the Press, the president said: "One of the proposals we've made was something called Chained CPI... an adjustment in how inflation is calculated on Social Security." It sounds simple, but this shortsighted change will mean $112 billion in cuts to Social Security over ten years.

That huge a cut to Social Security will only hurt those who can least afford it.

President Obama needs to keep his promise. The chained CPI proposal would lower the yearly cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) for current retirees, leaving seniors struggling to keep up with the rising cost of prescriptions, utilities, and health care.

Send a letter to President Obama today and tell him to keep his promise to protect seniors on Social Security.

Thank you for taking action,

Ellen B. Care2 and ThePetitionSite Team

Personalize your message - What I added:

Austerity = Democide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

Austerity = a failed society.

Austerity = a failed economy.

Austerity = Crash & Burn.

We as a country should be moving forward. With proper investment in our future. Investment that makes our country stronger as it also makes the people stronger - not a few of the People - But ALL of The People.

This would mean instituting a "LIVING WAGE" for ALL workers this money gets pumped straight into the economy - supporting the individual - the families - small business as well as large business - and supports our needed social programs such as Social Security, Health Care, and Education.

"Proper" government spending/investment/Action can make this happen so very fast for ALL.

A proper investment that would/could create millions of jobs = upgrade our national power grid. Upgrade with clean tech also add something that has never been done for the power grid before - Power/electricity STORAGE - this would improve the power grid as never before - check it out - this is a "KEY" to a prosperous CLEAN future : Watch http://t.co/r8oTiD6akk on the liquid metal battery. See also http://www.ambri.com/

Doing these things adds to the effectiveness of green power generation - Wind Turbines, Solar farms. Also reduces pollution as power plants need not run full time to provide the energy that we need.

Austerity is not the way - full employment opportunities at a living wage is the way - employment that makes the country cleaner and more prosperous through efficiency. Add to clean tech.

Makes a nice tweet as well -

Tell President Obama: Keep your promise on Social Security! via @Care2 http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/758/384/756/ Speak out against Austerity. Share This.

Makes for nice multiple tweets also -

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

http://occupywallst.org/forum/democide-murder-when-your-government-kills-you/#comment-969295 … What I said - What would U say? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/758/384/756/ … Speak out against Austerity. Share This. Expand

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Democide had 624 viewers today.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Wow! That's cool. I'm using 'democide' in my conversations with family now. I see you've made sure that a few more in Washington now know what the term means too!

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

Human Rights Violations. Where does the US Stand? The US has given up Geneva Conventions. The US Has given up Due Process. The US Does not Recognize War Crimes. The US Government places conditions on MSM and Reports in regard to careers and info provided. The US will not recognize the broadest definitions of the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution.

Human Rights Violations Originate in the USA and Washington DC. But... hey, what do I know.

Amnesty International must have been marginalized and made an Example.

Amnesty has been doing this work since the 1970s at Least. Probably many in OWS are from Amnesty...

Question: To start a new Marketing Campaign on Democide or to continue with Human Rights Violations as a Platform... or do both ... or send out different groups from OWS ... or to contribute to Amnesty's Energy.

Just brain storming... I don't know.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I see you've made sure that a few more in Washington now know what the term means too!

Yeah that OWS post http://occupywallst.org/forum/congress-still-corporate-still-criminal-still-capt/ made it really easy to do by including the twitter links - I was able to strike while the iron was hot ( so to speak )

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

It'll be pretty cool if we see someone you sent it to, use it in conversation on MSM or youtube.

You know who else I can see using it? Lee Camp. He's been hired as some sort of spokes person on Jill Stein's new project (Green Shadow Government, I think it is) to break away from 'politics as usual' and put it back in the hands of the people.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

If anyone mentions Democide - I will be very happy. It will mean that awareness has grown quite considerably. Imagine it being mentioned on Bill Moyers program or By Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.

That would be so awesome.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

It sure would. Social media in action. I'll keep listening and let you know if I hear it anywhere out there.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Same here.

I'll keep listening and let you know if I hear it anywhere out there.

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 8 years ago

Ted Cruz talks about it. He is THE REAL DEAL.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Last week, we learned some jaw-dropping news. A political organization from the founder of Facebook (Mark Zuckerberg) is funding ads supporting the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline and drilling in the pristine Arctic Refuge.

Let Mark Zuckerberg know how you feel about his support for Arctic drilling and Keystone XL -- on his own turf. Share this image on Facebook today.

We've partnered with a broad coalition of groups to confront Zuckerberg on this, and we're already making Facebook nervous. Last week, they took down an ad by our friends at Credo that called them out for supporting dirty fuels. 1 So we've joined with our allies in a boycott of Facebook ads for at least the next two weeks. 2 But we can still bring our message right to them.

Over 3,000 people have already shared this image -- can you help make that 5,000? The more of us who share this image, the harder it is for Zuckerberg to ignore.

We've already been overwhelmed at the response on social media to these ads -- it's a great way for us to continue to show the power of our movement against dirty fuels like tar sands and Arctic oil.

Thank you for everything you do for our environment,

Michael Marx Serra Club Beyond Oil Campaign Director

P.S. To learn more about this campaign, and to stay up-to-date with our progress, like the coalition's new page on -- you guessed it! -- Facebook!

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[1] "Facebook Rejects Ad Highlighting Zuckerberg Group’s Support For Keystone XL," ThinkProgress, April 30, 2013.

[2] "Progressive coalition pulls Facebook ads," Sierra Club, May 2, 2013

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

For the sake of our health and environment, let’s be louder than Big Oil. Tell the Environmental Protection Agency to cut pollution from cars and trucks.

Take Action to Clean Up Air Pollution

It’s a simple enough idea: Cut pollution from our cars and trucks and save thousands of lives each year. That’s what the Obama administration has proposed doing this summer, but Big Oil is of course up in arms.

For the sake of our health and environment, let’s be louder than Big Oil.

Tell the Environmental Protection Agency to cut pollution from cars and trucks.

Our cars and trucks are a lot cleaner than they used to be, but they’re still a major source of air pollution that triggers asthma attacks and even premature death. EPA’s new standards would help address this by reducing sulfur levels in gasoline and by requiring lower emissions of other pollutants from our vehicles.

But despite projections that the standards will prevent up to 2,400 premature deaths each year, Big Oil is lobbying hard against the standards. We have public health experts, environmentalists and even the automakers on our side, but not Big Oil -- and Big Oil has big sway in Washington.

That’s why this public comment period is so important. We need to show President Obama and his administration that Americans are counting on them to stand up to Big Oil by keeping these standards strong and finalizing them this year.

Let the EPA know you want strong pollution standards for cars and trucks finalized this year.

And many thanks in advance. With your help, we can cut pollution from our vehicles today, securing cleaner air for our communities today and for future generations.

Margie Alt Executive Director Environmen​t America

Go Ahead - Help Kick Fossil Fuel in the junk - ya know you wanna.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

A tweet to Jill - @jillstein2012 Hi Jill - help circulate a basic truth? GREED THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

Hope she does not remove me as a follow.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Hey Renneye

Got a follow request from Jill Stein.

I accepted and tweeted back:

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@jillstein2012 Hi Jill thanks for the follow. R U familiar with the term - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide Makes a lot of sense. pls Share. Expand

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

That's extraordinary news, DKA! You rock!

I saw this on RT today. I'd say this is the latest, and at long last, 'uncovered' case of Democide.

The Kent State Massacre;

Abby Martin talks to Laurel Krause, co-founder of the Kent State Truth Tribunal, and sister to Allison Krause (one of the 4 killed that day), about the Kent State massacre and the news that the UN Human Rights Council will be looking into the US government's actions on that day.

Laurel Krause speaks very well in this interview (calm and concise),

Laurel comes on at 12:36 minutes in, on this link.


[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I don't know about extraordinary - but it would be nice if she looked into the term and got it circulated to people she knows.

Thanks for the link - I will check it out - those too were dark days.


[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

They sure were. New information has come to light in this case, through technology. It sounds pretty obvious what happened. The interview starts at 12:36 minutes in.

Thanks bunches, DKA!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Your welcome.

What would be extraordinary - is if I got a reply or a re-tweet from her. Then I would probably tweet to her ZD's petition.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Tweet - exposing ALEC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b6mihN9ehVI#! ALEC & The State - What you need to know. Co-opting Government 1 state at a time. Please Share/Circulate.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

The Driving Forces Behind Democide - Like to be able to be/remain unseen:

We have the best shot we've ever had to undo the damage of Citizen's United. How do we know? Because ALEC, the Chamber of Commerce, and major oil companies are freaking out and issuing wild, apocalyptic predictions to try and stop us.

But this isn't in the hands of the Congressmen big business has in its pocket; it's in the hands of the brand new Securities & Exchange Commission Chairman, Mary Jo White. With one simple rule change -- backed by legal scholars, 80 members of Congress, and 500,000 Americans and counting -- she can require corporations to disclose their political spending.

The SEC is evaluating the rule right now, and momentum is on our side. But the major power brokers are starting to catch on, and lash out. If we pile on with tens of thousands of extra comments, we can keep the energy on our side, and show Mary Jo White that Americans want disclosure of corporate political spending.

Send your comment to the SEC telling it to force corporations to report political spending.

So corporations want to be treated like people? Well, people have to disclose their campaign donations. Corporations shouldn't get special privileges. A record six billion dollars was spent on political races in 2012. However, we may never know the full extent of corporate spending in the past election, since much of it is funneled into dark money groups, deliberately organized to hide their funders.

This new strategy for reform cuts out the middleman. Instead of trying to get politicians – the same people who need corporate donations to get elected -- to change the rules, we’re going directly to the rule makers. The wildest part is that it could actually work. According to one attorney who worked with her, "If ever a chairman of the SEC were to undertake the cultural sea change required to mandate enhanced corporate campaign disclosure through the commission, I would expect it to be Mary Jo White”. The SEC has been considering the petition -- submitted by ten legal scholars -- for months, but has yet to write it into a formal rule. Once the rule is written, White would only need the support of two of the current four commissioners -- two Democrats and two Republicans -- to pass it.

One of the major reasons corporations put so much money into politics is because they can get away with it. Since there is zero investor oversight, oftentimes corporate political spending is based on the CEO’s decision alone, and often has more to do with the boss’s ideology than the well being of the business. If corporate spending was announced to the world, spending would be answerable to investors, customers, and the public at large. This would be a sea change in spending. This is the moment we’ve been waiting for.

Submit your comment to the SEC now.

Thank you for being one of us,

Claiborne and the team at SumOfUs.org

More information:

New York Times: Companies: Show Us the Money, 3/21/13

Sacramento Bee: SEC could lead on disclosure of campaign funds, 4/28/13

SumOfUs is a world-wide movement of people like you, working together to hold corporations accountable for their actions and forge a new, sustainable path for our global economy. You can follow us on Twitter, and like us on Facebook.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Democide - is also removing/controlling individual rights.

One Example :

Monsanto isn't satisfied with just selling us herbicides and pesticides for coating our crops. Now they're using a European legal loophole to patent away varieties of cucumber, broccoli, melons and conventional ways of breeding fruits and veggies abroad -- forcing growers to pay them for the very seeds they're planting!

Don't let Monsanto keep buying up Mother Earth. If we can reach out to countries like Germany, France and the Netherlands where opposition to Monsanto is growing, we can force a vote among the state of the European Patent Convention to stop the biotech giant in its tracks.

We have a chance to stop Monsanto from setting a dangerous precedent and help fix the European patent laws for good. Will you join us?

PETITION TO EPC MEMBER STATES: We urge you to call on the EPO Administrative Council to close the loopholes that allow corporations like Monsanto to patent plants and conventional breeding methods today.

Click here to sign -- it just takes a second.

Thanks, -- The folks at Watchdog.net

P.S. If the other links aren't working for you, please go here to sign: http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/2739?n=24543763.PMequq

Note - Democide it is not just happening in the USA.


[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Just checking in...


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Glad to see that this got re-posted.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Thanks, DKA. A year ago, I think most here, and certainly elsewhere didn't believe this could be true. Now, its easier to see, with the global austerity measures implemented by apathetic governments abandoning and pilfering from their people. Also with government slashing the "social safety net of established protection programs for the elderly and the disabled and the poor" in the US, leaving elderly, sick and frail people without a way to properly survive, it is easy to see now, how the collusive government and the .01% will let us drop like flies.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

There has also been time for meaningful communications to get out to the public having had to bypass MSM coverage and so be spread more slowly by word of mouth & internet. More people are now looking to the internet for news/information local as well as world.

Also: at the time of the original posting this site was under heavier attack and many good posts got missed because of it.

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

The forum was under attack? Noooo. How'd I miss that? ~.^

Yes...well, the world has watched on as Greece's and Spain's governments left their people to fend for themselves. Not to mention, its much more acceptable to talk about 'oligarchs' and the 'criminal .01% now.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

And the majority of the public should have been able to see by now the growing attacks on social security and the stubborn defense of those who need no defending ( wealthy ) by the same individuals who are bringing forward austerity measures on the poor as well as on everyone else - other then the wealthy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago


For those of you who have not heard the alarm clock yet.

Stop chasing the illusionary carrot that has been dangled in front of your face your whole life.


[-] -1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 7 years ago

"As someone rightfully put it, Government is winning the war against humanity."

If only we could get out of our current way of thinking and into something totally new, to push out and develop.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I mean it's not Jews - but does anyone see a correlation? Democide.

First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps.Then they threw the drug users in. Next came the sex workers, forcibly HIV tested, publicly humiliated, and imprisoned.

Now they're coming for transgender men and women — and the list of "undesirables" just keeps longer.

Operation Zeus is a cleansing campaign targeting and imprisoning the most vulnerable members of Greek society, accompanied by spikes in racism, gender hate and homophobia.

There are now at least 5,000 people languishing in these hellholes simply for existing — and this month, while warning trans* men and women to "return to normal" or else, the Greek government announced that camp capacity is about to double.

We call on the EU member states to put the pressure on Greece now to stop this abhorrent cleansing campaign now. We can still save the people persecuted under Operation Zeus — but we can't afford to stay silent for long!

PETITION TO EU MEMBER STATES: We cannot afford to sit by while another European country rounds up "undesirables" and imprisons people in camps simply for existing. Let the Greek government know it must release these people now.

Click here to sign -- it just takes a second.

Thanks, -- The folks at Watchdog.net

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