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Forum Post: Curing Parasitic Diseases

Posted 5 months ago on Dec. 1, 2016, 6:55 p.m. EST by agkaiser (1671) from Fredericksburg, TX
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All of the worlds problems begin and end with concentration of wealth. If one economic unit has more material wealth than can be made by that one's own hard work, it has been appropriated from the work of others. Slavery is slavery, whether by choice or coercion. The freedom to rise up and have others work for you does not justify living by the work of others. Whether you call them slaves, indentures, servants or employees is irrelevant. The only thing worse than a master is a FIRE sector parasite.

If it were mathematically possible for no one to do the actual work of producing material goods and everyone at the same time to have others work for us or make money off of money, we could justify employment and finance. But only conservatives and libertarians are foolish enough to believe such nonsense. And then only the rank and file. The banksters, billionaires and successful manufacturers have always known there is no such thing as a righteous capitalist. But they do know how to fool many of the people all of the time. The population growth of the past 200 years has supplied them with plenty of uneducated workers to be kept poor and ignorant in order to have employees that would do the work to make the masters rich.

There are not more people alive today than the Earth can support. Too few people have so much wealth that poverty and want are a matter of poor distribution, not too little to go around. Urban population growth started when more children than family farms could support were forced by such conditions to move to cities. They found jobs with employers who maximized profit by paying as little as possible. Poverty grew. That's not because there are too many poor people. But there is a segment of the population that we'd do well to reduce.

Cull the rich parasites, not the poor, to reduce that part of the population that does the harm. The best answer is to confiscate all their wealth and property, especially the means of production. Then the manufactures, or importers as most of them have devolved to, can work alongside their former employees and thus earn an honest living in a cooperative factory. We can simply imprison the banksters and the rest of the economic arsonists of the FIRE sector. That includes the Great Oz who recently trumped the election.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

On "choice or coercion"

Drumpf's great deal with Carrier:

To hang onto 1,000 jobs (temporarily?)

What is immediately lost?

1100 jobs @ $30/hr @ 8hr/day = $87,600,000.00/year gone from the local state & federal economy! Oh & not to forget an additional $7,000,000.00 in tax incentives for Carrier.


To keep jobs in the USA

Companies who leave to manufacture in foreign countries NEED to be treated as foreign companies and get taxed to hell and gone when bringing their product back over our border for sale here (eliminating savings/profits they made by abandoning American workers and environmental and safety regulations) !

[-] 1 points by Shule (2635) 5 months ago

We can all make an extra effort to not shop at Walmart. That would be start.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1671) from Fredericksburg, TX 5 months ago

Ok. I'll look around for gentler, kinder parasites to feed with my blood, sweat and tears.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2635) 5 months ago

Go local.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Yes

Absolutely

Like = transfer from a Bank to a local Credit Union!

Boycott Walmart!

Come on - u know more possibilities.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2635) 5 months ago

How about writing your own IOUs instead of using a credit card. Might work in a small town?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

This is a seemingly simple and inconsequential observation - BUT = Consider the annual White House Christmas Tree.

What if instead of killing it for a short term symbolic display - that it was instead = KEPT ALIVE and replanted after the holiday to promote a growing country state of mind rather than a country that depletes state of mind!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Barter

[-] 2 points by Shule (2635) 5 months ago

Now we are thinking!

[-] 1 points by Shule (2635) 5 months ago

Plant a garden. Now that is really local.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Good post. Yep the scales need to be re-balanced. Which is why it might have been better if the system had done the full crash and burn back in 2008. It would have been easier to push past the formerly wealthy assholes.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4858) 5 months ago

We really don't ever want the system to go through a full crash and burn that almost happened in 2008. Far too many innocent people worldwide would have been hurt. When institutions started runs on money market funds where the payroll money for businesses was kept in October 2008, the world economy had the fuse to its systemic collapse lit.

The situation was extremely dire when then U.S. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson was on his knee begging Nancy Pelosi for U.S. Congressional intervention. The U.S. did get things correct - Congressional intervention, election of Obama, bailout of General Motors, bailout of AIG at high interest rates, years-long low-interest rates, etc.

Things that the U.S. (especially through the traitorous little bastardized fornication-produced mule in charge and its whip behind at the lies-lies-lies) did disgracefully were: allowing executive salaries and bonuses to resume without blocking them by exercising the U.S. government's controlling shares' veto powers at government-bailed-out entities and the lies-lies-lies continuing the low-interest rates many years beyond warranted by the economic conditions.

This was especially egregious because the lies-lies-lies has no legitimacy due to its being a bastard born of our forebears' obsession with stopping drunkenness only to breed criminals Galore. The U.S. was either a nation of high moral aspirations like Islamic countries are and had failed miserably, or a nation of hypocrites, or both.

Despite their often atrocious autocratic/authoritarian rules, Islamic countries don't seem to have achieved any better morally than our extremely stupid forebears, based on their exported "fruits"(dates, honey, oil-seed rapes, figs, myrrh, pomegranates, beeswax, panzeers, smilees, saltines, honeycombs, coco-a-nuts, palm-nuts, pine-nuts, frankincense, etc.) to the world.

Human brains' pleasure circuitry guarantees the failure of alcohol prohibition. Even forgotten-in-the-back-of-the-refrigerator grapes turn alcoholic and eventually sour by fermentation. Mother Nature brews alcohol for all.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

The only ones not hurt in 2008 were the wealthy few. They got bailed out with public monies while the working class got thrown out. A full crash would have been better - as the wealthy few would not have gotten the bail out.

[-] 0 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

Trump is changing all of that. Like I told you guys, he is for the working man. Did you see what he did to Boeing today!!!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

yea sure - and the carrier deal too! give them $7 million to save the working man. time will tell and i would like you to be right but it is unlikely that this asshole billionaire will "save the working man" - but keep hope alive!

[-] 1 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

More than Bush and Obama have done for us. We are just workers. You guys represent Wall Street and the establishment.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

well that is a low bar but still not clear who this billionaire will help. i noticed you skipped over commenting on the carrier pay off. and who represents wall street here at ows?? were you at the park with the other workers when it was time to defend it? doubtful - no need to sling mud especially since you are aiming at the wrong target. we are not those in ivory towers or finance. now answer the question like a big boy in a bar with the other workers - do you like the carrier deal? as i said i hope you are right but doubt it

[-] 0 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

The Carrier deal saved jobs. Yep, all for it.

You are the Democratic establishment and you don't represent the working people. You just pander to interest groups.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

it saved very few jobs and cost how much brenty? how much?? anybody can give corporations money to stay - that has been going on forever no?? your boy said he would tax them and punish them not pay them - am i wrong about that? lastly you know nothing about me or it seems ows. yea that little boy facts are fun is a dem but not ows. time to get a grip - no problem if you want to support trump but let's try to be honest. so far you seem to have trouble in that department - are you misinformed or deliberately twisting the facts?

[-] -1 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

The facts are that under your man, we lost our jobs and all we heard about were bathrooms and teaching moments. Nobody stood up for the common man and Trump finally is.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

i did not see a number - did i miss something? can't you say it - does it hurt that much? yes he saved jobs and gave the OWNERS how much money???

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

I suppose you are overjoyed that fossil fuel has been given the control of the EPA.

[-] -2 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

I am overjoyed that somebody is representing the working man. You elitist in your ivory towers need to come down and see how the average man is doing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Either you are truly blind

Or

You are just a dick

Because the elitists are being appointed to the elitist in chief's cabinet!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

he's just fucking with us all - trolling might be a better term. he can't be as stupid as he wants to seem. a billionaire caring for the working man - and one like trump no less. nobody really buys that shit unless they are aggressively stupid - and he is not.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Yep he's a dick just dicking around. Even the wealthy few have gotta be nervous as hell that Drumpf is gonna royally screw everything. His appointments to his cabinet are dead set against the public - if they get approved - it could be the last straw that gets the pitchforks to come out en mass.

[-] -1 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 4 months ago

Thanks for calling me that. Typical non working men thinking they are tough. You guys really don't get it. Trump is bringing back the jobs and you small armed people in your ivory towers can't stand it. You don't represent the working man.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 months ago

oh give it up with the working man nonsense - we all work here. you are not the only one here who works. you are the only working man here who thinks a bunch of billionaires will save him. time will tell.what do you think - we are all professors at yale - paul krugman writes for the ny times. he is not responding to you on an ows site. that is almost as dumb as thinking the billionaires care about you. i will not be surprised is trump gets the economy moving - more than hillary would. if only because congress will not block his every attempt to do so. if so good for you and all of us. but you - cut the shit

[-] 1 points by grapes (4858) 4 months ago

We'll see if Trump'll advance your cause or simply pull the wool over our eyes just as the other ones, or even worse(probably much worse - you likely know little about inheritance but I do because I'd been stripped bare before of my ancestors' global wealth - Trump proposed robbing the U.S. Treasury through inheritance tax cuts, did you catch that at all? Sieg Heil!). Alexis de Tocqueville who had foretold in the 19th century the rise of the U.S. and Russia to greatness in the next century based his prediction of the U.S. upon our inheritance laws NOT following the British primogeniture inheritance laws. Sure enough, the U.S. replaced Great Britain as a global superpower in the 20th century. Long-term differential of growth rates imposed by a people's mores have great consequences. Haitian aristocracy ran their side of the island of Hispaniola into the ground from great wealth by killing the environment and catering to the whims of the rich.

Things've worked out well for me by following these, "An enemy who advances your cause is your friend in disguise." "Give everyone the benefit of the doubt so trust And VERIFY!"

Impose discipline as Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 said,

 There is a time for everything,
 and a season for every activity under heaven:

 a time to be born and a time to die, 
 a time to plant and a time to uproot, 
 a time to kill and a time to heal, 
 a time to tear down and a time to build, 
 a time to weep and a time to laugh, 
 a time to mourn and a time to dance, 
 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, 
 a time to embrace and a time to refrain, 
 a time to search and a time to give up, 
 a time to keep and a time to throw away, 
 a time to tear and a time to mend, 
 a time to be silent and a time to speak, 
 a time to love and a time to hate, 
 a time for war and a time for peace.
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

You are either being a determined dick or as another stated you are being -

"aggressively stupid"

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1671) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 months ago

You're right. The left abandoned labor and that's why they're losing.

That said: If you believe Trump to be an honest and sincere friend of the working man you really are "aggressively stupid."

[-] 1 points by grapes (4858) 5 months ago

Let BW81 keep his balloon for a while longer (@35:13 of video) - there's no need to quash hope.

We can all learn from this Swedish Love Story film, En Kärlekshistoria, about how a small-time capitalist (auto-body shop owner), strikers/workers, and (refrigerator) salesman and relatives/families all came together eventually out of the concern for the dejected salesman being suspected of having committed suicide. They talked past each other without appreciating the others' different perspectives(rural/owner of auto-body shop vs. urban/struggling and striving-to-no-avail techno-salesman who dislikes having his past mentioned). The backdrop was the turmoils that Swedish labor had gone through in the 1960's and 1970's to achieve modern-day socialist social structures of Sweden (which Bernie yearns for).

The Youtube video linked to above was dubbed in Russian, closed-captioned in English with Arabic overlaid subtitles. Turn on closed-captions and turn off the Arabic subtitles by hitting the closed-caption button again when Arabic appears, if only the English closed-caption is desired.

Here's the Youtube video in the original Swedish language with Spanish closed caption. Here's a review/summary of the film in English. Here's another one in Spanish.

Figuratively speaking, "Annika" is dead(not as a country bumpkin) and haunting New York.

"Catch your own. Live. Free." For New Hampshire gulls with Thirst and Bill at Niagara Falls, there's found a spent rocket/dead F.l.S.H.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4858) 5 months ago

As a youth walking about in lower Manhattan's cobblestoned streets "looking for light," I saw a flash and heard the echo from a black hole. I decided to climb up the 》Apfel《 (Tannenbaum, not ivory) Tower in Love and for Love. "I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit." - Sos 7:8. I was way down there, way below average man - been there, not done that, very sad... in the city of 》Leid《 - anyway, 5th Avenue Season's Greetings to you.

"The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it." - Rev. 21:24.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Drumpf got elected on a middle finger salute to establishment government.

Problem being = Drumpf is just as bad as the worst of the establishment government and in some ways a whole hell of a lot WORSE !

The Public would have been much better off if they had written in for Bernie or Jill. At least we would have had the argument that the majority of the public did not want Drumpf "or" sHillary.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Ummmm Like he is gonna put sHillary in prison? OH . . . wait . . . he decided not to do that. Like drain the swamp in Washington? OH . . . wait . . . he isn't doing that either . . . instead he is pouring in Alligators Piranha & Poisonous Snakes. Yeah - you just go ahead with your loving of Drumpf!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

He hasn't done anything to Boeing yet. Look at his appointees - see any conflicts of interest? Of course not = you are not looking!

[-] 1 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

As I have said previously, he is looking out for the working man and doesn't care about you idealogues in your ivory towers trying to orchestrate everything. You gave us Bush and Obama and we lost. Now there is a working man's president.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4858) 5 months ago

He hasn't forcefully disavowed of his inspiration to the mishmashed-colored (a.k.a. white = all colors present [only truly black people are non-colored as black = all colors absent, according to the science of optics]) people in the majority.

The following is an excerpt from the definition of rape by Lorelili:

"Other times, men feel threatened by women and their rising status and want women back where they were, so they attack women, wanting to hurt them, embarrass them, and frighten them. This case is especially true in places where traditional gender roles are rigid and where the "ideal" male is aggressive, unfeeling, and strong."

Substitute white majority for "men/male", non-white minority for "women", and racial for gender above and you get an excellent description of what he represents to our people, an inspirer of rapists.

We definitely need MOAR southern walls where traditional racial roles are rigid. Our non-white minority is being beaten or defeated. We get rapists from Amerika. We have already had a serial bully rapist as our President. Damn that infamous and famous blue dress.

[-] 1 points by BrentWeirick81 (109) 5 months ago

I have no idea what you are saying. This is the problem, we are hard working people and you are in your ivory tower. It's like listening to that Van Jones guy on CNN. Just a bunch of nonsense.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

maybe you will have some idea of what nomi prins is saying here - let me know if you need clarification! - "Given his cabinet picks so far, it’s reasonable to assume that The Donald finds hanging out with anyone who isn’t a billionaire (or at least a multimillionaire) a drag. What would there be to talk about if you left the Machiavellian class and its exploits for the company of the sort of normal folk you can rouse at a rally? It’s been a month since the election and here’s what’s clear: crony capitalism, the kind that festers and grows when offered public support in its search for private profits, is the order of the day among Donald Trump’s cabinet picks. Forget his own “conflicts of interest.” Whatever financial, tax, and other policies his administration puts in place, most of his appointees are going to profit like mad from them and, in the end, Trump might not even wind up being the richest member of the crew.

Only a month has passed since November 8th, but it’s already clear (not that it wasn’t before) that Trump’s anti-establishment campaign rhetoric was the biggest scam of his career, one he pulled off perfectly. As president-elect and the country’s next CEO-in-chief, he’s now doing what many presidents have done: doling out power to like-minded friends and associates, loyalists, and — think John F. Kennedy, for instance — possibly family.

Here, however, is a major historical difference: the magnitude of Trump’s cronyism is off the charts, even for Washington. Of course, he’s never been a man known for doing small and humble. So his cabinet, as yet incomplete, is already the richest one ever. Estimates of how loaded it will be are almost meaningless at this point, given that we don’t even know Trump’s true wealth (and will likely never see his tax returns). Still, with more billionaires at the doorstep, estimates of the wealth of his new cabinet members and of the president-elect range from my own guesstimate of about $12 billion up to $35 billion. Though the process is as yet incomplete, this already reflects at least a quadrupling of the wealth represented by Barack Obama’s cabinet.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 months ago

many here have no idea what grapes is saying and he likes it that way. you on the other hand are very clear in what you say - that is good. the problem is that what you say is largely incorrect. knock off the ivory tower shit. mostly working people here - if you are trying to cause trouble through disinformation keep it up. if you want a real dialogue then shape up working boy - so far you do not get to claim to speak for the working man. more honesty is required for that

[-] 1 points by grapes (4858) 5 months ago

Nonsense doesn't actually exist but ignorance does(e.g., I didn't even understand my Mom, having been with her virtually every day for decades! Better brain scans and memory dumping for her could have helped greatly although my sorting through and trying to understand my own memory dump has already made a difference). The most efficient communication patterns appear to be just random noise. 》Muß es sein? Es muß sein! Die Essenz der Kommunikation ist der Zufall.《

If astronomers spot an earth-like planet suitable for life emitting a powerful radiowave spectrum of what appears to be random noise, they have probably found an intelligent and technologically advanced lifeform. Are we alone in the Universe? If such discovery has been made, we are Not alone anymore!

We're getting Trump, I believe. Hard working people (who enjoy "clean coal" and "gourmet poo") will say, "We gave ourselves Trump and we lost again, even worse than Bush and Clinton." Trump's "good" intentions are not good enough if he appoints foxes to guard the chicken coops. When has a leopard ever lost its spots? Have you figured out how hard working people had been screwed over by Obama's administration yet? How did that come to pass with a self-proclaimed Progressive in charge?

Trump couldn't even figure out how and why crude oil prices jumped up or down nearly instantaneously at the mere rumors of OPEC's intentions and pronouncements. He lived through superstorm Sandy. I guess Manhattanites of lesser intelligence will finally "get it" when the original Fulton Fish Market(why were there no takers of the downtown property for so long although it supposedly had "increased value"?), the True and ancient stock exchange of New York, hangs out the sign that says: "Catch your own. Live. Free."

New York, New York has and has had not-so-urbane combat zones where even the police fear for their own lives to tread into - there may even be criminals' "tanks." It has Other types of "zones," of course.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33063) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Too Funny