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Forum Post: Bernie was "Leveraged" into supporting the Hag.

Posted 4 years ago on Nov. 8, 2016, 10:55 a.m. EST by Shule (2638)
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[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 4 years ago

None of the DemocRats have admitted they are responsible for one of the most breathtakingly majestic blunders in the history of The United Snakes/None of them ever will/Instead they blame "Russian hackers" /Comey/Millenials That Didn't Vote/Jill/Etc MASSIVELY Bogus & decrepit/They are now frantically scouring thw country for the next completely unelectable repulsive freakazoid to force on voters who will be pounded to a pulp over the next four years/THEY WILL find somebody who can't beat Trump no matter what the Wrecking Crrew Elect does

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I just didn't get the reason for Hillary to seek the Presidency. There was no compelling message. She had already been in the White House, in the Senate, all over the World, and much money in the family foundation collected since leaving office. What more did she really want? She's smart, knows how to wheel-and-deal, and covering up unsavory things for the U.S.A. She even has grandchild to play with.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

How else does sHillary hang on to the money train pulling into the Cliton foundation? By gaining office!

But - like I said before = the wealthy few are just as happy with drumpf in office as they would be with sHillary.

Those who voted Drumpf into office as a middle finger salute to establishment government - hurt everyone and them selves.

True - I wouldn't have wanted sHillary in office either.

But that is how the Public got PLAYED AGAIN !

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

You're correct. She can exempt herself and others from being prosecuted if she gains the Presidency.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Glad to see you included the GOP in the blame as Drumpf was their candidate after all - because their people couldn't stomach any of their professional politicians that were put forward.

OH . . . . . wait . . . . you didn't include the GOP for their proper share of the blame!


[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

A nut job worse than Hillary? Just what barrel bottom are they scraping to come up with such scum?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

"Leveraged" ?

Ummm how does that work?

Threatened - I could possibly understand. Bernie ran a gr8 campaign! Until he didn't! He caved @ the end after being thoroughly screwed by the DNC In a very ill considered attempt to support the democratic party even though that party majorly just screwed him and the general public.

Bernie went all in with the needed political revolution - until he rolled over and played dead for the DNC in support of sHillary - after the DNC royally screwed him and the general public!

The Public said = FUCK THAT NOISE & gave establishment politics the middle finger salute in electing the afluenza poster-child Donnie Drumpf!

The main problem being with that - being = suicide due to justifiable anger at the established system!

Look at the crap Donnie is appointing to positions in the federal government. We might as well not have an EPA as he is forwarding a fossil fuel die hard to run it. Look at the other positions being doled out = & they get no worse as each seems to be diametrically opposed to the office in which they are placed!

The next 4 years are gonna suck = worse than any 4 years previously recorded for the middle class and the poor!

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Yep. That is about right. Leveraged is a polite way of saying threatened, but think about the alternative; a Hag leading us into a nuclear WWIII. No wonder so many played the F-U card and voted for Donnie.

And Bernie's roll over was fully planned. (vomit time.)

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Bernie Sanders should have gone Independent when it was extremely obvious after the NY Primary that DNC would cheat him in broad daylight. That was the point to jump out of The Trojan Horse & storm the Dem Citadel but instead he fell asleep in the belly of the beast and forgot/failed to deploy his assets - in the form of the millions of people - who had helped him take 22 States behind his banner of "Democratic Socialism"! Bernie again later had yet another chance; to join Dr.Jill Stein but he failed to do that too,as by that time he'd been co-opted by the Hellary Rancid Clinton machine!! Sanders would have won a 2, 3 or 4 way (IF Trump got finagled out by RNC & gone Independent & - as I was praying would happen) but now after the shock and horror of the tRUMP/HRC shit-show ... The 99% must re-group & realize, that 4 years is really not that long & get to Educating; Agitating & Organizing, with a clear eyed view to 2020!!!

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Bernie was in on the take from the start.

Bernie's " Democratic Socialism" was just a snow job.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

"Democratic Socialism" is bigger than just Bernie Sanders - ''snow job'' or not!!! I do get that you have every reason to be cynical BUT try to Think Policy NOT Personality - if possible!! Be positive! So - fyi:

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

So much fluff.

Why do you waste your time with it?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

RIP Fidel Castro ...

So - why do I use my time thus, Shule?! Because .. I'm A Pro-99% Humanist Humanoid, tired of a lack of logic, foresight, democracy and compassion - on a planet now run by 0.01% Oligarchs & Parasites!!


désolé ...

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

So, then why not go for some real change rather than wasting time supporting those fients put up every election cycle designed to keep real revolutions from happening?
Change will not come from bought individuals, or other fake movements, that are financed by the very establishment that needs to be overthrown.

Castro; a great subject to study as he is one who actually achieved a true revolution.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

I get that you dislike Bernie Sanders but I also take heart that you admire Castro! The U$A has become a Mind Managed, Wealth Worshipping - nation of - Human Hating; Kiss Up - Kick Down; RWNJ Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving!! Relative to this context, Bernie Sanders was/is - A Revolutionary!!! Here's why:

I'm angry at Bernie Sanders too Shule ... BUT neither did I think that a mere four short years after OWS; itself something I NEVER thought I'd see in USA ... that 22 States would vote for an Avowed Democratic Socialist over ''The Hag'' Hellary Rancid Clinton AND IF U$A was a real democracy, Bernie'd be PotUS!!!

ad iudicium et per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

I'm not really angry at Bernie; I'm sure he is a nice guy and means well. I'm just angry at the oligarchy that played him out, played him like a yo yo on the end of a string, and angry at all the foolish people out there who did not , and still do not, see the game.
Actually, as I understand, Bernie did win, but the corruption in the Democratic party undercut his score and cast him out when he became no longer useful. Like a yo yo, they reeled him in, and put him in their pocket when they got done playing..

What cardinal sin that Bernie did commit was that instead of walking out of the scene, he turned around and gave the Hag his full support. He campaigned for the very establishment that needs to be overturned. Maybe they put a gun to his head, maybe not. But whatever it was, his action showed he was void of true political will power.. Most pathetic of all was one could see it coming.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

U$A has become a Mind Managed, Wealth Worshipping - nation of - Human Hating; Kiss Up - Kick Down; RWNJ Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving!! Relative to this context, Bernie Sanders was/is - A Revolutionary!!! Excuse me for repeating my prior reply - but it felt apt in response to your excellent, heartfelt response - with which I agree.I end my recommending this great article by Nomi Prins to u:

U$A is no longer a democracy Shule (if indeed it ever was) & now - even the semblance of it can't be maintained. For insights into the roots of the 45+ year rolling Corporate/Oligarchic Coup d'Etat, see..

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

No I don't think so. Why? Because Bernie was a sure win over Drumpf and the DNC screwed him out of the nomination to try and shove sHillary down our throats. This cost the DNC the presidency as well as other offices!

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Bernie could of easily won if he went independant. He then would have made real history. But no, he caved in way too easily, and then went out to actively support the very Hag he was supposedly so much against. If that ain't a clear sign of a 'set up" ... Just common sense on human nature will tell you that.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Bernie has the soul of a poor person but Drumpf has that of a wealthy person. Both are looking out through the same gate. One sees the mud and the other sees the stars. Bernie is a consummate politician, knowing when to flow with the tide and compromise. He knew when to heel to get his biscuit which he has gotten by joining the new leadership.

I had this revelation when visiting a very high-rent district. The occupant griped about how the rent was so ridiculously expensive to live in a basement garage converted into an apartment. The other one visiting looked at the building and tallied up the rent collection possible based on the same rent number and was greatly impressed by the gem of a building!

Yep, wealthy people see possibilities and poor people see limitations. That's why the mindseers tend to be wealthy even though they may see exactly the same thing. The mental states are very different.

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Yes indeed. Where ever there is diaster, there is also opportunity.

Someone once asked me if I had ever been poor. I asked "what do you mean by that?" They repharsed the question, " have you ever been stupid?"

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Absolutely, such as the terrible earthquake disaster in Haiti, the Clintons seized the opportunity. Aren't they rich by now?

There are other funding needs that are better handled through unofficial channels such as through the Clinton Foundation because the high-minded (or hypocritical) U.S. populace shall have none of it and yet crave the results.

In the Reagan days, there was the Iran-Contra affair. Same old, same old. All conditions imposed by the actor-in-chief except one were satisfied. Ignore the legality and let the end results justify the means. If exposed, fire a few underlings to feed the beast, do some flossing, and everything will be just fine. Who put that public hair on my Coke? Why did Iraq's Saddam Hussein turn against the U.S.?

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Obviously, the rich know how to take advantage of a situation, and get rich. But what about poor folk? Nothing against anybody, but I find too many po' folk are busying themselves with trying to find a hand out, like "where is the socialism that supposed to support me?, a.k.a. where is my handout?" rather than trying to figure out how to make something good out of a bad situation.

Over the years (I'm getting old), my belief in socialism, democratic socialism or whatever you want to brand it, is waivering. Socialism is beginning to look like some opium for pacifying the masses so that the ruling oligarchy can stay in power. In that sense socialism starts looking like an extension of capitalism. (Crazy thought huh?)

I think the real problem is the present oligarchy ruling over us. Basically, it is psycho, and thus has to go. Any "revolution" needs to focus on that. this socialism stuff is just a side show designed to detract regular people from this real issue.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

and your evidence for this?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Bernie would of went third party if he was for real.

Check out the article whose link is on my original post. Basically the article says there are some democratic party emails that attest to this. But common sense should already tell you what the emails verify. Bernie would of went third party, and would not have campaigned for the Hag if he and his movement were for real.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

i hope you will forgive me if i am not persuaded by that logic. depends what he does going forward no? lots of ways to skin the cat. time will tell. and in on the take from the start? come on - he never said he was the savior. i think you are over reacting

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

I hope you are correct.

Unfortunately, the one way to predict the future, is to look at the past. The path Bernie already took, the decisions he already made, should certainly be indications of what he'll do in the future. I'm not going to hold my breath for him.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

ok now we agree but that is very different from what you said. he is not the answer - we are the answer but he is the best thing we have seen for change in a long time no? who else on the national stage has done a better job? certainly not the clintons or obama - for sure not the greens. he needs to keep the movement going - lizzie too

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

No; What I'm saying is Bernie is a fake. His "revolution" never was a real revolution, but simply a faint to get progressive minded people into the Democratic fold for the election. Happens every fours years. Last time it was Kucinich. People need to wake up to this kind of thing; i.e bought and paid for "revolutions" by the Democratic party. Bernie belongs in the dustbins of history. I'm saying forget about him, and build a real movement that is not funded by the ruling oligarchy..

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

we disagree - if he were trying to get people into the democratic party fold he has a really weird way of going about it. think what you like - i certainly would not call what bernie was talking about a revolution. more like a renewal of the new deal but what is your point - you are pissed at bernie for what - losing? raising issues that nobody else was talking about in mainstream politics. pushing the dems and hillary to the left and almost winning. really - how old are you?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

I'm in my senior years. My quess is that I've been around a good long while longer than you, and seen so much more. I tell you that nothing in this last national election is anything I haven't seen before. Bernie is nothing new. I'm sure he is a nice guy and means well, but he does not have the political horsepower to go up against the Democratic party elite. They use him for entertainment, and when they're done being entertained, they cast him aside. I chuckle seeing all the youngin's going for the rhetoric. That is great; in time they'll learn. Yes, I am a bit frustrated seeing the psycho-oligarchy being so entrenched. If Bernie actually does toss the party elite out of the Democratic party (as that is the crux of the problem), I'm all for him. 'Till then I'm not holding my breath.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

born 1950 so that should good enough for you. he was not new as i said - fdr style new deal which would have been a big step forward. don't hold your breath but get off your ass old man. bernie did much better than you could have hoped against very long odds. and what did you do to help him? no way to toss out the party elite on his own - get off the couch and stop complaining about the people who are doing something. maybe not getting the results you want but they are doing something. and don't laugh at the youngsters the way the old men laughed at us in 1968!

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

So you are about as old as I am. Maybe I'm not that old afterall. But you should know the story, know the pattern, by now. What was happening in the '50s, '60s, and '70s ain't happening anymore. The oligarchy got the upper hand, everybody knows it, and to make matters worst this oligarchy we are dealing with is no FDR; thery're psycho, and are not about to give any regular people any power. Maybe a few bones to pick like what Bernie was offering, but nothing for real to make anybody's life truly better. Yeh, they laughed in '68, but then again we were pretty dumb back then. Hope we could all have wised up a bit by now.

Reality is that what was in the last century, is not what is in this one. We need to get out of our old mind sets. The socialism of yesterday is dead. Look at this last election where rural America spoke. They do not want handouts from an oppressive oligarchy. They want liberty, freedom to live, free from an oligarchy making war, creating economy that drains everyones wallets, free from getting lifestyles they're not in to rammed down their throats.

There can be no socialism when the government has been for all practical purposes privatized. Before any true socialism can be made, the government needs to be back in the hands of the regular people. Politicians and government folks cannot be corrupt. Bottom line is the oligarchy, and specifically that very oligarchy that has infested the Democratic party, has got to go.

Actually, I have been busy. I've been working real hard on making sure the oligarchy's darling, the Hag, did not win the election. World War III is put on hold for a while now. Now that is some acomplishment I would say. Of course I did not do it all myself, but was certainly apart of it. Sorry, but Bernie with his bull was simply not in the cards.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

What's rural now will become urban so rural America will shrink inevitably. We need to prepare the rural Americans for the eventuality. I agree with them that the federal government should not be too domineering but the rural states should also not be too provocative. Neither the federal government nor the states need a fight over which type of bathroom people must go to when Nature calls. That's overregulation. There's no turning back, for anyone. We do need to take back the government or better yet the shadow government.

My very own "outback" where we the children and adolescents climbed over a wall(daring) to take budding flowers to sip nectar from, plucked blueberries from the mountain shrubs to eat, caught the prawns or chased the fishies in the cool mountain streams was gone forever, ... but so were the midnight encounter with a cobra(dangerous) from an urn of the cemetery, the coal soot on my face, my clothes, my food, my walls, my persistent dry cough, a cholera case just across on the other side of the open-sewer drainage, making bow and arrows from a dumped broken umbrella to shoot a toad with, or the bloody cut through to my finger bone at a neighborhood dump, from unfurling a Spam can's opening key's metal strip. There's no wondering needed - I know the answer: they'll all be gone and there'll be no returning. To what shall we return then? Just memories of our days in the sun.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

thanks for that but not sure what is has to do with our disagreement. nobody was talking socialism except a few nuts jobs attacking bernie from the right. still not sure exactly which part of "bernies bull" you are annoyed with. single payer - reigning in the banks or??

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago


Orders and commands need to be executable, precise, specific, unambiguous, and clear but they're for a different kind of relationship.

Here in the forum, we have a much more equal relationship, more like peers than master to servant. Our elders had "Children should be seen but not heard from." so we have "Peers should be talked to and have conversations with."

Teachers should communicate thoughts and ideas to pupils clearly but we are not really in that kind of relationship, either. I've told you before that I feel intensely so my ambiguous and open-ended confusions are just attempts to see what you see and to feel what you feel. I throw many things up on the wall so whatever sticks sticks. There's no need to feel left behind because we all have our own spectrum of frequencies that we tune into and what we don't resonate with will just propagate through the "ether" till it meets the tuned-in receivers or simply gets lost.

In a sense, we each are in a thousand years of solitude and yet in another sense, we are connected through a billion years of common and shared origin: "To see a World in a Grain of Sand, And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, And Eternity in an hour" - William Blake.

The experience communicating with me may be a bit like that when learning a foreign language. "Drinking from a firehose" Does "quench the thirst fast" but it's surely discomforting. However, taking it as a disconcerting roller-coaster ride can make it more fun. The feeling is what we are going after, not how much got lost. "Hallucinogenic" wouldn't be too bad so long as nausea hasn't come yet.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

you are not talking about communication since according to wiki - Communication (from Latin commūnicāre, meaning "to share"[1]) is the act of conveying intended meanings from one entity or group to another through the use of mutually understood signs and semiotic rules. - you have another idea for what we are doing. not sure what to call it but it does not interest me. continue with your creative conversations with others but i am getting a bit too nauseous

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago


Both Fascism and Soviet style Communism are Totalitarisms. Anarchism is surely NOT Totalitarianism. You've probably known by now that I'm not advocating for doing away with governments as far too many people have erroneously attributed to Anarchism. Having long been dominated as the "little brother" in a Great Matriarchy with vastly older and stronger Big Brother, I have certainly gained a bit of rebellious tendency to lean towards Anarchism(I still dislike Big Brother somewhat although Mom was Great in making us rather close to each other with her policy). Socialism can become boring and dreary while Totalitarianism is plainly revulsion. Soviet style Communism was not Communism. It was totalitarian socialism where all of the purported masters, the Proletariats, were actually all Equally exploited as de facto slaves to the party eelites. It's definitely not for me - I'm not stupid.

As for the style of my communication, confusion is generative because it allows the imagination to roam freely and be creative. Historically, highly creative people often seem inextricably linked to near-craziness. It's just the price that we pay for chopping apart Consciousness and allowing the pieces to grow anew into new configurations under the quivering regenerative tension.

》Verwirrung hat ihren Wert, aber nur hier und da. Nicht jeder der nach Indien fährt, entdeckt Amerika.《

I didn't beat up on Bernie. I'm saying that we just have to work with what we have. Bernie can help, too. Be firm on purpose and pliant on means. We know that Bernie has a tendency to "play ball" so we just have to use him in that capacity well.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

shule beat up on bernie and i thought my conversation was with him. as usual i am confused. soviet style communism has nothing to do with real socialism ans anarchism does not mean doing away with governments. as for imagination in conversation it seems to me that if you want to communicate thoughts and ideas to someone clarity is the goal. but again maybe that is just my own silliness.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

If Joan of Arc can come from a peasant girl background to help end a long long war, our short short wars are not out of the reach of the wind of change.

Without her, there would be no France. Without France, there would be no U.S.A. which gained independence with the help of the rancor between France and Britain, both being dominant imperial superpowers of their days.

George Washington led colonial soldiers to fight New France in America but why did France eventually come to aid the colonies gain independence from Britain? Benjamin Franklin was instrumental.

If Joan of Arc was a Divine Miracle, the U.S.A. is also one so we should know our Divine Purpose. Be firm on it and pliant on means. Let the "white dove that has sailed all seas sleep in the sand a bit" so that we may pluck her feathers to make arrows of love for Eros. The road to Heaven runs through Hell. Otherwise, we should already be in Heaven. Remember young Frank's life-changing moment of cavorting with "Theresa Carmody," afflicted with Consumption, on the green sofa in Frank McCourt's "Angela's Ashes" mémoire(may have been inspired by and modeled upon Mary McCarthy's "Memories of a Catholic Girlhood").

Working with an imperial power was required to escape from an imperial power. It sounds contradictory but it is only basic physics and must be so if any change is possible from a state of dominating smoldering powers. It takes one to counter-balance the other to throw away the yoke in order to change. We in the U.S. are now near to the balanced state wherein one has won the Popular vote with the other one being poised to win the Electoral College vote.

Like an arrow of Eros' with white dove feathers, smoldering can work because for a sick puppy looking for love and grace of "a little black spot on the sun today," "That's my soul up there...." God is Love. God is Just. Love conquers All. In the Beginning, through Grace(viz., allowing an "epsilon of room" for bridging the finite to infinity), we were One, forever Entangled.

P.S. The ancient Greco-Romans might have the story a bit(e.g., leading capitals J and L were permuted) messed up. God was Lust. God was Jove. Bull took maidens. Not to be outdone and to ensure "America First," we, the New Romans, have Thirst, Niagara Falls, and Bill.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/bernie-was-leveraged-into-supporting-the-hag/#comment-1072284 'is this a response to something is wrote?'

Yes, your disagreement with Shule may be due to your not having connected the two extreme ends of the political spectrum yet. The powers that be can corner you and finish you off if you only go in a single wing of the arena. Not so if you connect the two extreme ends and be able to traverse beyond the point at infinity and return on the other side. Think of the surface of a doughnut. By curving around while being chased off, you cannot be cornered and be finished off. An exciting arena for fun and intrigues must have this feature, either never allowing dying or allowing coming back from the dead.

In mathematics, one tries as hard as one can to prove a conjecture but if one cannot succeed after strenuous efforts, one assumes that the conjecture is false and try in the Opposite direction and follow the "absurd" path hoping to reach a contradiction logically. We've run very far in a single direction and gotten Nowhere. We should just try the Opposite direction. Sufficient failures will reveal the best path to escape our predicaments. Eliminate all seemingly dead ends.

This strategy requires us to have grace and sometimes work with our erstwhile "enemy." An "enemy" who can advance your cause is really a friend in disguise. Of course, you may need to give up something in return for the favor. There is no free lunch anywhere except for the everywhere answer blowing in the wind.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

maybe it is just me but you seem to have a very confusing way of communicating. i think you are connecting fascism with soviet style communism - ok but so what! bernie was not talking socialism even though i disagree with your premise - i believe it is an entirely false one. to beat up on bernie is childish in my opinion and to talk about socialism even more. lastly do you realize that you are on an anarchist website - that is generally taken to be well beyond socialism

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

When shall we ever learn?

Grace means one's paying the price for the Law without punishing the innocent, the naïve, the stupid, the foolish, the hot-headed, the boastful, the sinful, and the guilty. Justice Requires the price be paid in full but it does Not specify who pays. Never should the innocents in wars pay.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

is this a response to something is wrote?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Bernie says nice things, but has no intent on delivering. (He was more intent on campaigning for the Hag, and the Democratic party establishment.) No reason to waste time with him.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Bernie has a long public record of fighting FOR the public! Drumpf ran on a promise (one of many he is now reversing) to drain the swamp in Washington. He is instead = pouring in Alligators, Piranha & Poisonous Snakes!

sHillary (in my opinion) would have been NO better than Drumpf.

The DNC & rigged political process screwed the public out of a candidate that has a long record of fighting 4 the public = Bernie

Even Jill would have been a much better candidate for the public!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

it is really hard to understand what you are thinking. i am not a huge fan of bernie but he did more in the last year than anyone i can think of over the last 30 years. why are you so bitter - seems crazy. so name a few who have done more - i am curious what you think

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Drumpf says nice things, too, but had no intention on delivering, either. Now, our people have spoken so he must catch this roasting hot potato and do something GREAT with it. ALL eyes are on him and that should soothe his ego for sure. We'll see what he can do with the Retard-I-Can't carte blanche. Meanwhile, savor the first-ever supermodel First-Lady-to-be. I do worry a bit that she may not be by the man's side for a while. It was written, "It is not good for the man to be alone." Of course, there's also the little man to consider.

Bernie can help, too, with the parts of Drumpf's agenda that overlap his. There's no problem working with the so-called enemy(we're all Americans, aren't we?). It's written, "Love your enemy." It's not betrayal even if the end results are delivered as Trump XXX. If not, our people always render the final judgment even before the Second Coming. The chaos of the '60s and '70s would likely be paled in comparison(technology is now far better). Keeping close tabs on intelligence can help with the smooth transition and joint exercise of power.

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

"Bull" means saying things without any backing, or intent to deliver, or having means to deliver. Most bull by the way does sound good.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

not sure what your problem is here. do you think bernie promised socialism because i didn't see that. and can you name someone who has moved the ball in the right direction more than bernie in our lifetime?