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Forum Post: The Essential Necessity of Education in the Cause of Freedom

Posted 1 year ago on July 19, 2013, 3:49 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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This nation is, of course, in decline. Some may argue that this nation has been on the brink of collapse ever since its inception, and while such a perception may prove attractive on the basis of its various merits, never the less it remains - this nation is in decline, and it is so at a time when the whole world, all of civilization, hangs in the balance, on the basis of our global consumption of fossil fuel.

Do we provide solutions? No. Instead we persist with the institutionalization of unfairness and exploitation of the masses by various subtle and ingenuous methods, we distract the public with individuals like Edward Snowden, knowing full well that if the Russians can be persuaded, as they have been persuaded, to place a condition of silence upon his request for asylum, the public may ponder yet too few will publicly acknowledge:

  1. The myriad applications of the principles of physics
  2. The power of the periodic table
  3. The capacity of human species for deceit
  4. The necessity of a free education if a society is to maintain any illusions of either freedom or basic human dignity and human right.

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Wait - what's that? What was that last?

Yes. I said it.

A free education is a necessity if a society is to maintain any illusions of either freedom or basic human dignity and human right.

And here the reader must protest - but what do either of the first three points have to do with the fourth, and what does any of that have to do with Snowden, let alone anything as momentous as Global Warming . . .

Permit me, if you will, to redefine the nature and the scope of our ills, and perhaps thus it will become clear -

This nation is engaged in class warfare conducted upon the people

It is very likely that all prosperous societies are highly susceptible to the institutionalization of unfairness as an organizational principle - an economic function for profit and so set a course that leads ultimately to a state of class warfare. This is, it will be clear, exactly where we are today, and the only real security against such a state may be a free and comprehensive education.

Consider, if you will, the most recent refusal by the Repelican Congress to take up the issue of the cost of education finance. Education itself should be entirely free, and yet it is not. It is not and we say that education is itself not at all a necessity to become a self made man - or woman, as the case may be - and we do hold up examples of the high school drop out who went on to become a multimillionaire - and thus we seemingly lay the foundation to justify the creation of an educational consumer of some kind.

But consider very carefully - no dropout, not Steve Jobs nor any other, has ever been entirely self made. Fortune depends upon an ability to harness at least two things:

  1. some significant portion of what is already known in some new way,
  2. human productivity - or The Labor of Others

Without these two things at a minimum, no one may ever enter into that exclusive club we have come to refer to as self made - it is simply not possible. Thus the lie is exposed - education is absolutely indispensable not only to any who would be self made, but to society as a whole. Without education we cannot hope to preserve the capacity to produce food, shelter, or medicine, even for the elite among us, let alone the masses.

And today we see, through Repelican Congressional intransigence, wherein they do impugn not only their own character, office, and economic class - they show the whole system of governance has become committed to the institutionalization of injustice - the antithesis of all we have previously been taught about the meaning, the execptionalism that is embodied by all that is meant and implied by the term:

American.

Today we see Repelicans refuse to act to maintain the cost of education at any kind of a minimum, the process itself has become dependent upon repeated Congressional approval and this approval is itself a deceit - a lie - for it suggests that if not now, then at some point in the near future, it may be seen to be necessary or just, to raise the cost of education for the nation's youth far above the cost of owning a home, and that is indeed, the essence of exploitation. To be forced to assume such a burden of debt, without any certainty of a return on that investment, is to enslave the nation's youth to the production of wealth for a select few while preserving an illusion - a possibility - of a return on investment, and no more.

And as we can show, that return on investment is entirely contingent upon the actions of an intransigent Congress and thus, highly uncertain.

Education should be free for many reasons, the benefits it naturally provides society being but one, yet it is not. Not only is education not free, the costs continue to climb without reason, enriching the bankers who finance that burden of debt. Congress has initiated a process, a mechanism, whereby they hold the authority to set the price or the cost of educational finance, and by their authority they have instituted a process that dictates an increase in that cost if Congress fails to act -

Thus by default are the children enslaved to the bankers pleasure - harnessed to the monolith of Wall Street and the production of wealth where they become the foundation of Financial Products Services and Transactions which itself accounts for 8% of GDP and 30% of total corporate profit in the United States.

And this is indicative of class warfare waged upon the people.

A free and comprehensive education would go some way toward preventing just such a state of affairs. It would do so simply because:

  • IF subjects such as physics and chemistry were readily available in a format that lent itself to the average reader

  • and IF self education was a widespread and a rewarded activity,

  • THEN those inclined to subject the masses to a state of bondage would be forced to consider much more carefully the prevalence of information that might result in sacrifice of the elite by the masses in the national interest,

rather than our present state of affairs, which is the other way around.

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[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 11 months ago

You don't accept solution.

"Do we provide solutions? No"

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 11 months ago

Survival is not empowered by speech without understanding. That is the logic of free education as a public feature is constitutional.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

Freely educated college students in the 60s and 70s protesting War and the System shocked and appalled the Conservatives, RepubliCons and the 1% Power Elite! DEEPLY! This was unacceptable!

Something had to be done about this, so the PTB jerked Governor Ronnie Raygun's chain and had him (and his bagman flunky Ed Meese) shut down the CA University System tuition-free (or low) program and much more:

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/from-master-plan-to-no-plan-the-slow-death-of-public-higher-education

As Raygun's throat slitting of the Air Traffic Controllers Union got the ball rolling for the demise of Organized Labor (another PTB wet dream cum true), so it did with affordable Higher Ed nationwide.

Now, not only is Higher Education harder for the riffraff to attain, if they mange to somehow get (steal) it, they also get a major dose of indentured servitude for their audacious attempt to trespass above their station! "Take that you disobedient peasants!!"

You see, the 1%, Power Elite, our greed-addled contemporary Kings, never really accepted this whole democracy thing (much less legitimately electing a Black POTUS twice, for which they are making us pay dearly), and there is no room for equality in a feudal or... ahem... Plutocratic system. "What's the fucking use of being privileged if every filthy (Black, Hispanic, or poor) heathen were allowed into the Alumni Clubhouse!? Somebody call the damn Orkin Man!"

That said, our once national number one educational status is long gone. Like our legal system and healthcare system (although Obama is trying to improve it for the first time in decades) our rapacious and jealous Elite want good education exclusively for themselves, the best Education their money can buy! Precisely what they want to do with our "democracy": The Best Democracy Money can Buy, www.gregpalast.com | http://www.palastinvestigativefund.org/?id=12

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

Just stop it - you're making me want to go do donuts on the clubhouse lawn

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

A Comprehensive Analysis of the Student-Loan Interest-Rate Changes that Are Being Considered by Congress http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/higher-education/report/2013/06/27/68237/a-comprehensive-analysis-of-the-student-loan-interest-rate-changes-that-are-being-considered-by-congress/

Report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/150389382/A-Comprehensive-Analysis-of-the-Student-Loan-Interest-Rate-Changes-that-Are-Being-Considered-by-Congress

Oregon Students Fight Back Against Debt, And Win

Oregon’s legislature unanimously passed a debt-free higher education plan after Portland State students brought it to their attention. http://www.alternet.org/education/oregon-students-fight-back-against-debt-and-win

What Passes for Education In America Is Often Just Indoctrination

The basic model and function of education is by and large not seriously questioned at all. July 26, 2013

The ancient Athenians had a name for people who were unable to participate in and determine the course of public life: idiote. It is from this that our word idiot derives. And though we live in so-called democracies, these days very few of us are not idiots in this powerless respect.

To be sure, though he doesn't phrase it in such a manner, in his Theses on Feuerbach Karl Marx draws attention to just this intersection of these two meanings of idiot (fool and dominated subject). The point of philosophy, he states, is to change the world. But the world cannot be meaningfully changed without interpretation. And who is to educate the educators? This leads us to a problem. The idiot (who is unable to interpret the world) is inextricable from the idiote—who cannot change it. UH... HELLO!!! "The GOP stolen and blackmailed Congress and the Roberts 1% Kings in robes SCOTUS are doing everything in there power to kill hope and change for the 99%, so... Obama betrayed me."

CONTINUED: http://www.alternet.org/education/educating-idiots

Last Week in Poverty: Taking On Sallie Mae and the Cost of Education

Yesterday nearly 200 people rallied in Newark, Delaware, in an effort to confront Sallie Mae executives and board members about their role in America’s student debt crisis.

http://www.alternet.org/education/greg-kauffman-takes-look-sallie-mae-and-student-debt-crisis

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 11 months ago

You do not accept solutions.

"Do we provide solutions? No"

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[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 11 months ago

You contradict yourself. I've read what you've got, it won't work. Isn't working

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

You might be underestimating Snowden in a big way OP. He's starting make his agenda clear. He's not a journalist but he seems to understand the rights and responsibilities of journalists. Without journalists playing a role democracy can't exist. Former president Jimmy Carter understands that.

http://rt.com/usa/nsa-snowden-us-media-russia-486/

http://rt.com/usa/snowden-letter-false-claims-550/

I'm not sure Snowden even wants to come back. Now that's interesting.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

Russia Today has a horse in this race. Got another source?

Besides, Like I've said elsewhere, Nobody's Talking

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

That's true. No other source. Seems like ES has said what he had to say. It's not that complicated. Now there's talk about publishing the big story. As soon as that BS starts I'll lose interest in it in a hurry.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

As I've said before - what has been released so far is mostly old news, and the only people who seem to be surprised are the public.

Nobody's talking about the potential application

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

I don't think the public's surprised at all

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

I don't want guys in blue suits showing up at my door so I don't respond to links/comments endorsing shooting people. You could be baiting me and in fact work for some kind of agency.

I use the internet to exchange ideas not to try to prove something.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

I'm sure you know better than that - were I baiting you in such manner then obviously I have engaged in something that is called entrapment.

YOu chickenshit establishment hack

the one percent of one has declared war upon the general public and they do quietly applaud the specter of violence as it falls upon progressive heads. Their day of JUDGEMENT swiftly approaches.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

why would people be upset about a healthcare bill?

that makes no sense

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

because they are cunts

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

democrats won't even talk about creating public hospitals

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

they can't fool.

There is no latitude within the current House dominated as it is by repelicans and therefore it makes no sense to hand them one more issue they will use any way they can to whip up their base into a frenzy.

Does that mean that every single dem is down with the single payer option and other assorted similar measures that would significantly improve both health care delivery and outcomes? Probably not -

but get rid of repelicans

craft a simple and sensible bill

and we will remove those who oppose it.

This is not rocket science.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

I hear Veteran Hospitals work

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

really

how interesting

I guess you've never met a vet with Gulf War Syndrome or heard of a vet named Cutting - Boston area, back in 97 I think, maybe 98. I wish I could find a news article - I might have a hard copy of one here somewhere.

In any case I am sure there are plenty of vets where you are that you can go speak with to find out what their opinion of the VA is. As a part of the over all Pentagon budget it gets a much lower priority than other forms of Pentagon spending. One of the exceptions is in artificial limbs - but that has a benefit to the private sector down the road, so in this instance the benefit of this program to vets, while unquestioned, has an agenda.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

my information may be outdated

back in 1990, I used to transport Veterans to and from a veterans hospital in Balboa Park San Diego

the place was clean with lots of open space

Veteran I transported only had good things to say about the facility

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

the quality of care may vary from facility to facility

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

ofcourse

but public care is available to veterans

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

Yes, I'm an establishment hack and a troll. I don't deny that. Occupy is a curiosity to me. I don't go to protests and I'm not involved in it but I respect it. It was started by people younger than me. It's new, it's interesting.

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[+] -5 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Nothing is free, including free education. Someone has to pay for it. Seems to me figuring who will pay for free education should be part of the plan.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

the rains come, or the sun shines -

who pays for it?

The air in your lungs -

who will now claim it?

Step forth now, that we may see

whether or no there is sufficient red blood

in your veins to cover the cost . . . .

[+] -4 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Aw come on. If this is worth talking about it's worth being serious about. Who will pay for free education?

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

Ok, sure, it is worth discussing. But why discuss who will pay for it without examining the entire breadth of economic theory, practice and policy, which as the movie Inside Job makes abundantly, irrefutably clear: must change - and why discuss that when it is so obviously beyond the scope of this forum post?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

You are explaining the rules for chess to a chimp.

Anything beyond banana or no banana is completely lost.

gun bible banana pretty much covers it.

[+] -4 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

No, it really is as simple as who will pay for it. As usual, I'm pretty sure it will be the tax dollars of the 99%. Just what we need, another tax.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

you completely misunderstand. A great number of services are over priced - from pharmaceuticals to medicine to telecommunications to entertainment - The final proof exists in the wallets of individuals from Bill Gates to Oprah - I'm not singling them out for any other reason beyond that of convenience. Point being fundamental changes in how products and services are priced will result in greater revenue in the hands of many more people who may spend or invest as they see fit.

It is not just education that is over priced. Education is simply among the most important for reasons presented above.

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

OK, we agree on something. I don't think we can afford free higher education. In a lot of places we can't even afford free public schools. So if we can't afford decent K-12 education will we do any better with higher education.

I personally resent the cost of higher education. It is a rip off. I attended college over forty years ago and used the GI bill to help pay for school. I don't understand how anyone but the wealthy can afford college these days. I'm probably going to end up hocking everything I own just to help my two granddaughters get through school. I'm convinced Universities do not have to have these outrageous tuition's. But I digress.

Free education? No. Affordable education? Hell yes. And it can be done by firing most of the ivory tower types heading the universities. At least that's a good place to start.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

That trillion a year war machine would solve a lot of budgetin woes if anyone could ever stop it.

[-] -1 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Excellent point. The wars must stop. We are not the world police. The US sticks it's nose in other countries too much. The need to bring our troops home. I mean like tomorrow. Leave the equipment on the ground and put the troops on the next plane home. My biggest disappointment in Obama is that he hasn't stopped the wars. It is insane.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

Tell that to the rich and privileged, tax evading and havening and offshoring corporations, the Fossil Fuel Industry, Wall Street and other Banksters and all the goddamn churches and religious schools and organizations!! They go for free, and we pay and pay!

You are the epitome of Clueless! Learn a damn thing before you open your trap!

[-] -3 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Why are you so angry? I just want to know who will pay for this free education. Seems like a reasonable question to me.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

try tooth fairy

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Whew, glad to hear it. I was afraid you wanted to raise taxes again.

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

What's your point? I agree college costs too much and student loan debt hinders peoples future. All I'm saying is I don't want to pay any more taxes, no matter how good the cause. I just can't afford it anymore.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

You will pay pittance for education or you will pay fortunes for incarceration and/or defaulted loans.

Grow a BRAIN!!!

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Are you kidding me? Do you really believe if people don't get a college education they will become criminals?

My problem with your logic is you want some someone else to pay your way in life. Well I for one am tired of it. We working class people can't afford to pay anymore. At some point we have to stop trying to support every Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks we owe them something.

So, if you want an higher education then find a way to reduce costs. Do away with all the junk majors (like liberal arts), tell the schools they have to use the income from sports to fund the school. Get corporations to fund your education. Just don't take any more of the 99% money so you can spend four years getting drunk, high and railing against the injustice of the 99% on our dime.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2033) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

Criminal expenses AND welfare expenses, like Walmart, rely on welfare for their employees. PAID BY US!!

You have no depth of perception, which leads to ignorance, and I'm not up for schooling ALL of you Fox Lies educated complete IGNORAMUSES!!!

NOT MY JOB!!

You got here, you can get info to debunk the lies. Try Alternet or Think Progress.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Form a union.

Then you can collectively bargain for the benefits you need, instead of bitching about what you aren't getting..

And you said Texas was such a great place.

False bragging.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

http://sacurrent.com/news/texas-awash-in-alec-influence-1.1262142

BTW, teabagge(R)s raised my taxes, 100%.

Wanna talk about Ron Paul?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

people with money through taxes

is that a problem ?

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Yea, it's a problem. People already pay too much in taxes. It has to stop at some point.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

nope

people pay interest to the rich that loan the money and get nothing back for it

people pay rent to the property owners and get nothing back for it

[-] 0 points by madison (0) 11 months ago

Maybe if we weren't in all these darn wars, and if corporations paid their fair share in taxes, we would be able to have our cake and eat it too

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

1 Trillion dollar a year war machine, with over 4 Trillion in bailouts over the last 3 years.

Plus, a total loss of focus because of the wars.

DC sold us out, its time to get over it and move on. They clearly have, we seem to be stuck on stupid.

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Yep. I hate how much we spend on the military. I saw it when I was in the army forty years ago. One thing most people don't think about is a large portion of military operations and bases are performed by civilian contractors. I live near one of the largest military posts in the US. It seems to have more civilian employees than solders.

[-] 0 points by madison (0) 11 months ago

We do indeed "seem to be stuck on stupid"....laughing

And both parties are to blame for this mess, as well as us

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

You are absolutely correct. Stop the wars and make the corporations pay their fair share. But don;t raise peoples taxes any more as the interim measure. We just can't handle any more taxes. Not even for best of reasons. People just can't afford it any more.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Teabagge(R)s proudly raised my taxes, and pissed on the State constitution to do so.

They did it for the job creators.

LOL lying assholes.

It's so bad now, our unemployment is still rising in spite of hiring at the big three and Meijers.

Oh yeah, and it helped 'em fake Detroit's bankruptcy.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

fake?

you mean they didn't set the numbers up to make it real

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

They set the numbers up just enough to maintain the illusion.

The real set up began with a handshake between Dennis Archer and the Gov. Engler, that Engler immediately reneged on..

Libe(R)tarians are like that.

The link is around here somewhere, though buried by those that have an abject FEAR of my links.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

No is fearing your links Shooz, they just get tired of the constant biased and one sided nonsense.

According to FireDogLake:

"Regardless of the ultimate outcome for the bondholders and pensioners, the bankruptcy filing is a sad commentary on neoliberal economic planning. The destruction of Detroit is a direct result of imposing a free trade regime on the country and letting GM run wild in the transgressive search for ever cheaper manufacturing locations. GM’s myopic cost cutting and short term profit seeking led to the firm’s weakness in the marketplace and ultimately to the company going bankrupt.

Now the city the company left behind has, like GM, filed for bankruptcy protection. While GM has, thanks to taxpayer subsidies, been able to enrich shareholders, the city of Detroit has a long way to go to being able to serve its residents well."

http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/19/detroit-files-for-bankruptcy/

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

firedoglake, doesn't live here.

I do.

You missed all those important links, posted by myself and Leo.

You skipped 'em all, and NOW you think you have important insight?

nope.....you don't.

go read 'em all.

You can't even see and admit what's going on in your own State.

Just like you miss all the links about Florida.

Here's a guy who got it correctly.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

there's where you need to start.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

IF you think people being pissed at their elected officials is located in only the "red" states, you are insanely out of touch.

Free trade deals fucked your state, just like every other state. They sold you out for no env regs and slave labor.

Wake the fuck up. They sold me, you and everyone else out with that stuff. ITs sucks.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Although I understand your frustration.

You keep missing why.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

You see what's already been done there is still underway elsewhere.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/guest-post-prof-thomas-pedroni-on-the-unjustified-closing-of-detroits-oakman-elementaryorthopedic-for-disabled-kids.html

Your lack of concern, understanding and empathy is appalling.

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

I wont vote for Scott, and you dont vote for Levin? Sound fair?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

obviously, everyone does not need to working o keep a business going

[-] -2 points by loosecannonondk (2) 11 months ago

I call that "biased and one sided nonsense," 'shoozogic'

And while "firedoglake, doesn't live here," the DNC seems to have bought into the neighborhood

[-] 0 points by madison (0) 11 months ago

I'm glad I came up with a solution that most of you could agree on.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

The military can always come up with other ways to blow money besides wars. As far as taxes it's a none issue. Lower taxes lower wages. That the right's plan.

Occupy jazz.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

You should be asking the cost of the uneducated and miseducated.

But you won't.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

haHA! YES!

I am sure that in their world view, as long as their ignorance keeps them destitute and enslaved it will mitigate any downside imposed by the mere fact of ignorance itself . . .

fukers

They simply do not know how to calculate the loss of productivity and how that directly or indirectly imposes a burden on their own wealth . . .

in short - they cannot assess the cost of their own ignorance

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Educated in Texas, maybe?

That would explain the confusion inherent to a lot of his comments.

I guess they teach that ignorance is free.

While the rest of us wish for freedom from ignorance.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

I guess they teach that ignorance is free, while the rest of us wish for freedom from ignorance.

Nice!

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[-] -1 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Well whatever Texas is, It sure as hell beats living in Detroit. Texas is experiencing a boom in jobs and housing. It's one of the top destinations for people looking for a better situation.

Detroit, on the other hand, is bankrupt. Just blocks and block of abandoned houses, high unemployment and high crime. The real estate web site NeighborhoodScout.com compiled a list of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the us. The top three most dangerous are in Detroit.

So, it may make you feel better to continue to bash Texas, but the truth is it's a much safer and better place to live. But I suspect you know that. http://www.shotgunnews.com/2013/08/02/the-nations-25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

shotgunnews, huh?

This is what I'm talking about.

You can't extrapolate the conclusion you are making from this very limited data set.

It's ridiculous to even try, but you did.

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

"You can't extrapolate the conclusion you are making from this very limited data set."

Oh yes you can. It fairly common. Face it Shooz, Your fighting a lost cause. Detroit is gone forever and won't be coming back. It has become the poster child of how bad a city can become. It's the punchline of jokes and will continue to go down hill. Here's a 2009 video for you.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

I've been nice to you so far, but with this shit???

And your dear friend in the comment below?

Nuck you farley.

Here's little truth for you to ignore.

Texas......#1 in racism!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-clymer/supreme-court-voting-rights-act-racism_b_3497572.html

http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/texas-459203.asp

http://www.farmworkers.org/racistx.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/opinion/racism-in-a-texas-death-case.html?_r=0

http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/08/in-denial-about-its-racism-texas-fights-preclearan.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+texas&client=firefox-beta&hs=UO4&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tSYNUp7bN4aSyAHiw4CoBQ&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/texas_church_pushes_racist_doctrine_partner/

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/racism-allegations-hit-texas-parks-agency/nYD3H/

TEXAS!! A leader in sexist legislation!!!

http://austin.culturemap.com/news/life/07-22-13-womens-rights-texas-legislature-abortion/

http://socialistworker.org/2013/07/18/solidarity-with-texas-women

http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3069

http://www.policymic.com/articles/50031/texas-passed-abortion-laws-in-a-special-session-because-trampling-on-women-s-rights-can-t-wait

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/check-out-these-hot-allies-of-texas-womens-rights-video.html

Texas!! #1 in pollution!!!

http://www.txpeer.org/Bush/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/29/us/politics/texas-air-pollution-compared-to-other-states.html

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201307260097

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-energy/energy/ozone-pollution-spiked-texas-year/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/epa-water-contamination-investigation-fracking_n_2484568.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=water+pollution+texas&client=firefox-beta&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=1y0NUq6rNOaQ2QWC1YHYDg&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015

http://www.thenationaltriallawyers.org/2013/07/texas-study-water-pollution-near-fracking-sites/

http://today.ttu.edu/2012/07/reign-of-acid-rain-is-far-from-over/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_Texas_has_the_most_acid_rain

Would you like to talk about ALEC activities in Texas too?

Want to talk about Ron Paul, or George W Bush?

Your denial has become legend, and your HATRED of Detroit smacks of racism.

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Shooz I don't have anything against Detroit. I really don't. But when you constantly insult Texas I have to fight fire with fire.

The stone cold truth is Texas is in good financial shape and Detroit is not. People are moving to Texas for jobs, lower taxes and affordable housing. People are fleeing Detroit, fearing for their safety. Of course this could all change, but not likely any time soon.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

lol

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Let's see.

You claim to be "not anti-union", but do nothing but bash unions, the UAW in particular.

I'm afraid that's actually being anti-union.

You claim to be an "agnostic", but fail to see a problem with the religious additions to national icons.

That's just confused.

Now you claim not "have anything against Detroit", yet you show no empathy for their situation, in any statement so far....

You've instead, shown a complete lack of understanding about what's happened there.

A condition that indicates antipathy.

And it's not like there haven't been plenty of threads to aid you in understanding.

You end it with a statement about how money trumps all, damn all the racism, pollution, sexism and anything else that steps on your sacred bragging rights.

Please don't wonder why I question the effectiveness of a Texas education.

[-] 0 points by FearAgent (-59) 11 months ago

Here. You can sort by all kinds of metrics, including education.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100824779

MI scored 22 points higher than TX. 32 vs 10. Wait....think I'm still reading this wrong.

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Aw shooz, give it a rest. You're always in attack mode. All you seem to want to do is bash people you don't agree with. Why? What's the point. Believe it or not most people aren't the assholes you want them to be. They just disagree with you.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Theres some strange logic going on here that ignoring the thread because you dont feel like someone accusing you and harassing you means you then support it.

I dont get it.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6287) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

I wouldn't call that 'logic' by any stretch.

[-] -3 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

You're right. I succumb to shooz harassment too easily. I just need to just ignore him. I didn't intend to get off topic.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Where's the attack?

Your patronizing doesn't negate what's going on in Texas.

The multiple links you skipped over.

All three of those main items are OWS priorities.

Shall I share with you the Occupy the NRA link?

I'm only asking as shotgunnews, is a source for you, and you should know some truth about the OWS stance on guns..

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

OK, this is my last response to you.

The "dangerous neighborhood" article was from the real estate web site NeighborhoodScout.com. It was reprinted on shotgunnews web site. Of course you already knew that.

You can throw as big a temper tantrum as you can muster. Texas is flourishing. I mean jobs, good economy, affordable homes, low crime, low taxes and the list goes on. Texas is one of the top destination States for people fleeing bad situations in other States. On the other hand Detroit is a slum that would be worth more if it were plowed under for farmland. Sorry, shooz, that's just the way it is. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Sorry, I never read your links. You should learn to make your point yourself rather than point to some other opinion.

I'm not a member of the NRA. But I am a liberal who owns several guns. You can rant all day long about taking my guns, and you still won't get them. I'm a liberal who believes in self defense.

Bye shooz, I'm done with you.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

You wish.....................:)

FEAR is why you don't follow the links.

It's the only reason.

You've rejected EVERY truth about Texas. Then you replaced them with corporate lies.

You're not here in support of Occupy.

You just aren't.

Good to know, though, that you don't stand with Texas women.

No wonder you're in such blatant denial.

Oh well.

Prepare to run screaming in FEAR!!!

http://progresstexas.org/content/alec-exposed-texas

http://progresstexas.org/blog/alec-membership-texas-searching-names-secret-group

https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2207

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/ALEC_Politicians

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/08/12213/cmd-fights-back-against-alecs-effort-evade-open-records-law-texas

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11808/alec-exposed-in-texas

Oh my........................

You do know what you can do with your phoney bragging rights, don't you?

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 11 months ago

From one of your links:

"I'm an African American from Texas and can't seemed to understand why Michigan isn't on the top 10 as being racist."

I trust his opinion more than you. Thanks for the great link!

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 11 months ago

Stupid TX. Couldn't even break the top ten here. Pffft.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/10/18/detroit-tops-the-2012-list-of-americas-most-dangerous-cities/

Congrats on the fourpeat. You must be proud.

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 11 months ago
[-] -1 points by FearAgent (-59) 11 months ago

Texans are patriotic, so they drive a lot of American made cars. Those things kill more planets than the Death Star did.

[-] -2 points by PerseidsGirl (-35) 11 months ago

Narley, Narley, Narley. You've spent almost a month dicking around with shoes about DEEtroit over TEXAS. All it has done has taken your karma points so low you can no longer stinkle that asshat and his posse.

Welcome to DEMOCRACY. You been out(down)voted :-(

[-] -2 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

I know, but I can't help myself. It's so much fun messing with shooz. He makes it so easy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

As it was inadvertent, they are fixing them all.

Unlike the ALEC/Koch/ brothers/(R)epelican't shit that went out in the mail last election, that was done with 100% ill intent..

Try and keep up zilla.

[+] -4 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

For the moment I just want to know who will pay for free education. Actually that's a loaded question. I know who will pay for it. It will be the tax dollars of the 99%. So we increase taxes again. Seems to me the 99% can't afford too much more free stuff.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Guess who pays for the un-free education??

Guess who pays the cost of the un/miseducated?

It's still cheaper to educate people properly, in the first place.

Education, should in fact, be free to the student for life.

[-] -3 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Nice speech. Tell it to the 99% who will paying more taxes for it. I'm sure they won't mind paying more taxes.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Really bad answer to a really "nice speech".

Perhaps you would care to answer the questions presented to you?

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[-] -1 points by PerseidsGirl (-35) 11 months ago

Hon, here's a twink that don't count. You'll be in negative territory well before Labor Day!

[-] 0 points by Narley (531) 11 months ago

Thank You kindly my dear.

[-] -1 points by PerseidsGirl (-35) 11 months ago

Uh, this got duped cuz the one below was "removed" when I posted. I postulated that they remove posts that begin "twink" or "stink". Go figure.