Forum Post: The Essential Necessity of Education in the Cause of Freedom
Posted 11 years ago on July 19, 2013, 3:49 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
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from South Burlington, VT
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This nation is, of course, in decline. Some may argue that this nation has been on the brink of collapse ever since its inception, and while such a perception may prove attractive on the basis of its various merits, never the less it remains - this nation is in decline, and it is so at a time when the whole world, all of civilization, hangs in the balance, on the basis of our global consumption of fossil fuel.
Do we provide solutions? No. Instead we persist with the institutionalization of unfairness and exploitation of the masses by various subtle and ingenuous methods, we distract the public with individuals like Edward Snowden, knowing full well that if the Russians can be persuaded, as they have been persuaded, to place a condition of silence upon his request for asylum, the public may ponder yet too few will publicly acknowledge:
- The myriad applications of the principles of physics
- The power of the periodic table
- The capacity of human species for deceit
- The necessity of a free education if a society is to maintain any illusions of either freedom or basic human dignity and human right.
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Wait - what's that? What was that last?
Yes. I said it.
A free education is a necessity if a society is to maintain any illusions of either freedom or basic human dignity and human right.
And here the reader must protest - but what do either of the first three points have to do with the fourth, and what does any of that have to do with Snowden, let alone anything as momentous as Global Warming . . .
Permit me, if you will, to redefine the nature and the scope of our ills, and perhaps thus it will become clear -
This nation is engaged in class warfare conducted upon the people
It is very likely that all prosperous societies are highly susceptible to the institutionalization of unfairness as an organizational principle - an economic function for profit and so set a course that leads ultimately to a state of class warfare. This is, it will be clear, exactly where we are today, and the only real security against such a state may be a free and comprehensive education.
Consider, if you will, the most recent refusal by the Repelican Congress to take up the issue of the cost of education finance. Education itself should be entirely free, and yet it is not. It is not and we say that education is itself not at all a necessity to become a self made man - or woman, as the case may be - and we do hold up examples of the high school drop out who went on to become a multimillionaire - and thus we seemingly lay the foundation to justify the creation of an educational consumer of some kind.
But consider very carefully - no dropout, not Steve Jobs nor any other, has ever been entirely self made. Fortune depends upon an ability to harness at least two things:
- some significant portion of what is already known in some new way,
- human productivity - or The Labor of Others
Without these two things at a minimum, no one may ever enter into that exclusive club we have come to refer to as self made - it is simply not possible. Thus the lie is exposed - education is absolutely indispensable not only to any who would be self made, but to society as a whole. Without education we cannot hope to preserve the capacity to produce food, shelter, or medicine, even for the elite among us, let alone the masses.
And today we see, through Repelican Congressional intransigence, wherein they do impugn not only their own character, office, and economic class - they show the whole system of governance has become committed to the institutionalization of injustice - the antithesis of all we have previously been taught about the meaning, the execptionalism that is embodied by all that is meant and implied by the term:
American.
Today we see Repelicans refuse to act to maintain the cost of education at any kind of a minimum, the process itself has become dependent upon repeated Congressional approval and this approval is itself a deceit - a lie - for it suggests that if not now, then at some point in the near future, it may be seen to be necessary or just, to raise the cost of education for the nation's youth far above the cost of owning a home, and that is indeed, the essence of exploitation. To be forced to assume such a burden of debt, without any certainty of a return on that investment, is to enslave the nation's youth to the production of wealth for a select few while preserving an illusion - a possibility - of a return on investment, and no more.
And as we can show, that return on investment is entirely contingent upon the actions of an intransigent Congress and thus, highly uncertain.
Education should be free for many reasons, the benefits it naturally provides society being but one, yet it is not. Not only is education not free, the costs continue to climb without reason, enriching the bankers who finance that burden of debt. Congress has initiated a process, a mechanism, whereby they hold the authority to set the price or the cost of educational finance, and by their authority they have instituted a process that dictates an increase in that cost if Congress fails to act -
Thus by default are the children enslaved to the bankers pleasure - harnessed to the monolith of Wall Street and the production of wealth where they become the foundation of Financial Products Services and Transactions which itself accounts for 8% of GDP and 30% of total corporate profit in the United States.
And this is indicative of class warfare waged upon the people.
A free and comprehensive education would go some way toward preventing just such a state of affairs. It would do so simply because:
IF subjects such as physics and chemistry were readily available in a format that lent itself to the average reader
and IF self education was a widespread and a rewarded activity,
THEN those inclined to subject the masses to a state of bondage would be forced to consider much more carefully the prevalence of information that might result in sacrifice of the elite by the masses in the national interest,
rather than our present state of affairs, which is the other way around.
With a view to ''self education'' :
http://www.rdwolff.com/ ;
http://workerscompass.org/ ;
http://www.cosmolearning.com/ ;
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ ;
http://publicbankinginstitute.org/home.htm ;
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDnS6RMFLvc ;
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/02-0 &
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35838.htm +
http://issuu.com/occupylondon/docs/occupy_little_book_of_ideas .
After all - we 'have nothing to lose but our chains' !!!
respice, adspice, prospice et ipsa scientia potestas est ...
(look to the past, the present, the future & knowledge itself is power)
You don't accept solution.
"Do we provide solutions? No"
Survival is not empowered by speech without understanding. That is the logic of free education as a public feature is constitutional.
Freely educated college students in the 60s and 70s protesting War and the System shocked and appalled the Conservatives, RepubliCons and the 1% Power Elite! DEEPLY! This was unacceptable!
Something had to be done about this, so the PTB jerked Governor Ronnie Raygun's chain and had him (and his bagman flunky Ed Meese) shut down the CA University System tuition-free (or low) program and much more:
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/from-master-plan-to-no-plan-the-slow-death-of-public-higher-education
As Raygun's throat slitting of the Air Traffic Controllers Union got the ball rolling for the demise of Organized Labor (another PTB wet dream cum true), so it did with affordable Higher Ed nationwide.
Now, not only is Higher Education harder for the riffraff to attain, if they mange to somehow get (steal) it, they also get a major dose of indentured servitude for their audacious attempt to trespass above their station! "Take that you disobedient peasants!!"
You see, the 1%, Power Elite, our greed-addled contemporary Kings, never really accepted this whole democracy thing (much less legitimately electing a Black POTUS twice, for which they are making us pay dearly), and there is no room for equality in a feudal or... ahem... Plutocratic system. "What's the fucking use of being privileged if every filthy (Black, Hispanic, or poor) heathen were allowed into the Alumni Clubhouse!? Somebody call the damn Orkin Man!"
That said, our once national number one educational status is long gone. Like our legal system and healthcare system (although Obama is trying to improve it for the first time in decades) our rapacious and jealous Elite want good education exclusively for themselves, the best Education their money can buy! Precisely what they want to do with our "democracy": The Best Democracy Money can Buy, www.gregpalast.com | http://www.palastinvestigativefund.org/?id=12
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A Comprehensive Analysis of the Student-Loan Interest-Rate Changes that Are Being Considered by Congress http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/higher-education/report/2013/06/27/68237/a-comprehensive-analysis-of-the-student-loan-interest-rate-changes-that-are-being-considered-by-congress/
Report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/150389382/A-Comprehensive-Analysis-of-the-Student-Loan-Interest-Rate-Changes-that-Are-Being-Considered-by-Congress
Oregon Students Fight Back Against Debt, And Win
Oregon’s legislature unanimously passed a debt-free higher education plan after Portland State students brought it to their attention. http://www.alternet.org/education/oregon-students-fight-back-against-debt-and-win
What Passes for Education In America Is Often Just Indoctrination
The basic model and function of education is by and large not seriously questioned at all. July 26, 2013
The ancient Athenians had a name for people who were unable to participate in and determine the course of public life: idiote. It is from this that our word idiot derives. And though we live in so-called democracies, these days very few of us are not idiots in this powerless respect.
To be sure, though he doesn't phrase it in such a manner, in his Theses on Feuerbach Karl Marx draws attention to just this intersection of these two meanings of idiot (fool and dominated subject). The point of philosophy, he states, is to change the world. But the world cannot be meaningfully changed without interpretation. And who is to educate the educators? This leads us to a problem. The idiot (who is unable to interpret the world) is inextricable from the idiote—who cannot change it. UH... HELLO!!! "The GOP stolen and blackmailed Congress and the Roberts 1% Kings in robes SCOTUS are doing everything in there power to kill hope and change for the 99%, so... Obama betrayed me."
CONTINUED: http://www.alternet.org/education/educating-idiots
Last Week in Poverty: Taking On Sallie Mae and the Cost of Education
Yesterday nearly 200 people rallied in Newark, Delaware, in an effort to confront Sallie Mae executives and board members about their role in America’s student debt crisis.
http://www.alternet.org/education/greg-kauffman-takes-look-sallie-mae-and-student-debt-crisis
You do not accept solutions.
"Do we provide solutions? No"
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You contradict yourself. I've read what you've got, it won't work. Isn't working
You might be underestimating Snowden in a big way OP. He's starting make his agenda clear. He's not a journalist but he seems to understand the rights and responsibilities of journalists. Without journalists playing a role democracy can't exist. Former president Jimmy Carter understands that.
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-snowden-us-media-russia-486/
http://rt.com/usa/snowden-letter-false-claims-550/
I'm not sure Snowden even wants to come back. Now that's interesting.
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That's true. No other source. Seems like ES has said what he had to say. It's not that complicated. Now there's talk about publishing the big story. As soon as that BS starts I'll lose interest in it in a hurry.
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I don't think the public's surprised at all
I don't want guys in blue suits showing up at my door so I don't respond to links/comments endorsing shooting people. You could be baiting me and in fact work for some kind of agency.
I use the internet to exchange ideas not to try to prove something.
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why would people be upset about a healthcare bill?
that makes no sense
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democrats won't even talk about creating public hospitals
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I hear Veteran Hospitals work
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my information may be outdated
back in 1990, I used to transport Veterans to and from a veterans hospital in Balboa Park San Diego
the place was clean with lots of open space
Veteran I transported only had good things to say about the facility
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ofcourse
but public care is available to veterans
Yes, I'm an establishment hack and a troll. I don't deny that. Occupy is a curiosity to me. I don't go to protests and I'm not involved in it but I respect it. It was started by people younger than me. It's new, it's interesting.
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Nothing is free, including free education. Someone has to pay for it. Seems to me figuring who will pay for free education should be part of the plan.
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Aw come on. If this is worth talking about it's worth being serious about. Who will pay for free education?
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You are explaining the rules for chess to a chimp.
Anything beyond banana or no banana is completely lost.
gun bible banana pretty much covers it.
No, it really is as simple as who will pay for it. As usual, I'm pretty sure it will be the tax dollars of the 99%. Just what we need, another tax.
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OK, we agree on something. I don't think we can afford free higher education. In a lot of places we can't even afford free public schools. So if we can't afford decent K-12 education will we do any better with higher education.
I personally resent the cost of higher education. It is a rip off. I attended college over forty years ago and used the GI bill to help pay for school. I don't understand how anyone but the wealthy can afford college these days. I'm probably going to end up hocking everything I own just to help my two granddaughters get through school. I'm convinced Universities do not have to have these outrageous tuition's. But I digress.
Free education? No. Affordable education? Hell yes. And it can be done by firing most of the ivory tower types heading the universities. At least that's a good place to start.
That trillion a year war machine would solve a lot of budgetin woes if anyone could ever stop it.
Excellent point. The wars must stop. We are not the world police. The US sticks it's nose in other countries too much. The need to bring our troops home. I mean like tomorrow. Leave the equipment on the ground and put the troops on the next plane home. My biggest disappointment in Obama is that he hasn't stopped the wars. It is insane.
Tell that to the rich and privileged, tax evading and havening and offshoring corporations, the Fossil Fuel Industry, Wall Street and other Banksters and all the goddamn churches and religious schools and organizations!! They go for free, and we pay and pay!
You are the epitome of Clueless! Learn a damn thing before you open your trap!
Why are you so angry? I just want to know who will pay for this free education. Seems like a reasonable question to me.
try tooth fairy
Whew, glad to hear it. I was afraid you wanted to raise taxes again.
http://www.alternet.org/3-right-wing-lies-about-rich-people-and-taxes-debunked?paging=off
http://crooksandliars.com/clsphinx?keys=Republican%20lies%20about%20taxes
http://www.demos.org/video/thom-hartmann-lifetime-wealth-loss-student-debt
http://www.demos.org/what-cost-how-student-debt-reduces-lifetime-wealth
What's your point? I agree college costs too much and student loan debt hinders peoples future. All I'm saying is I don't want to pay any more taxes, no matter how good the cause. I just can't afford it anymore.
You will pay pittance for education or you will pay fortunes for incarceration and/or defaulted loans.
Grow a BRAIN!!!
Are you kidding me? Do you really believe if people don't get a college education they will become criminals?
My problem with your logic is you want some someone else to pay your way in life. Well I for one am tired of it. We working class people can't afford to pay anymore. At some point we have to stop trying to support every Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks we owe them something.
So, if you want an higher education then find a way to reduce costs. Do away with all the junk majors (like liberal arts), tell the schools they have to use the income from sports to fund the school. Get corporations to fund your education. Just don't take any more of the 99% money so you can spend four years getting drunk, high and railing against the injustice of the 99% on our dime.
Criminal expenses AND welfare expenses, like Walmart, rely on welfare for their employees. PAID BY US!!
You have no depth of perception, which leads to ignorance, and I'm not up for schooling ALL of you Fox Lies educated complete IGNORAMUSES!!!
NOT MY JOB!!
You got here, you can get info to debunk the lies. Try Alternet or Think Progress.
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Form a union.
Then you can collectively bargain for the benefits you need, instead of bitching about what you aren't getting..
And you said Texas was such a great place.
False bragging.
http://sacurrent.com/news/texas-awash-in-alec-influence-1.1262142
BTW, teabagge(R)s raised my taxes, 100%.
Wanna talk about Ron Paul?
people with money through taxes
is that a problem ?
Yea, it's a problem. People already pay too much in taxes. It has to stop at some point.
nope
people pay interest to the rich that loan the money and get nothing back for it
people pay rent to the property owners and get nothing back for it
Maybe if we weren't in all these darn wars, and if corporations paid their fair share in taxes, we would be able to have our cake and eat it too
1 Trillion dollar a year war machine, with over 4 Trillion in bailouts over the last 3 years.
Plus, a total loss of focus because of the wars.
DC sold us out, its time to get over it and move on. They clearly have, we seem to be stuck on stupid.
Yep. I hate how much we spend on the military. I saw it when I was in the army forty years ago. One thing most people don't think about is a large portion of military operations and bases are performed by civilian contractors. I live near one of the largest military posts in the US. It seems to have more civilian employees than solders.
We do indeed "seem to be stuck on stupid"....laughing
And both parties are to blame for this mess, as well as us
You are absolutely correct. Stop the wars and make the corporations pay their fair share. But don;t raise peoples taxes any more as the interim measure. We just can't handle any more taxes. Not even for best of reasons. People just can't afford it any more.
Teabagge(R)s proudly raised my taxes, and pissed on the State constitution to do so.
They did it for the job creators.
LOL lying assholes.
It's so bad now, our unemployment is still rising in spite of hiring at the big three and Meijers.
Oh yeah, and it helped 'em fake Detroit's bankruptcy.
fake?
you mean they didn't set the numbers up to make it real
They set the numbers up just enough to maintain the illusion.
The real set up began with a handshake between Dennis Archer and the Gov. Engler, that Engler immediately reneged on..
Libe(R)tarians are like that.
The link is around here somewhere, though buried by those that have an abject FEAR of my links.
No is fearing your links Shooz, they just get tired of the constant biased and one sided nonsense.
According to FireDogLake:
"Regardless of the ultimate outcome for the bondholders and pensioners, the bankruptcy filing is a sad commentary on neoliberal economic planning. The destruction of Detroit is a direct result of imposing a free trade regime on the country and letting GM run wild in the transgressive search for ever cheaper manufacturing locations. GM’s myopic cost cutting and short term profit seeking led to the firm’s weakness in the marketplace and ultimately to the company going bankrupt.
Now the city the company left behind has, like GM, filed for bankruptcy protection. While GM has, thanks to taxpayer subsidies, been able to enrich shareholders, the city of Detroit has a long way to go to being able to serve its residents well."
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/19/detroit-files-for-bankruptcy/
firedoglake, doesn't live here.
I do.
You missed all those important links, posted by myself and Leo.
You skipped 'em all, and NOW you think you have important insight?
nope.....you don't.
go read 'em all.
You can't even see and admit what's going on in your own State.
Just like you miss all the links about Florida.
Here's a guy who got it correctly.
http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/
there's where you need to start.
IF you think people being pissed at their elected officials is located in only the "red" states, you are insanely out of touch.
Free trade deals fucked your state, just like every other state. They sold you out for no env regs and slave labor.
Wake the fuck up. They sold me, you and everyone else out with that stuff. ITs sucks.
Although I understand your frustration.
You keep missing why.
http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/
You see what's already been done there is still underway elsewhere.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/guest-post-prof-thomas-pedroni-on-the-unjustified-closing-of-detroits-oakman-elementaryorthopedic-for-disabled-kids.html
Your lack of concern, understanding and empathy is appalling.
I wont vote for Scott, and you dont vote for Levin? Sound fair?
obviously, everyone does not need to working o keep a business going
I call that "biased and one sided nonsense," 'shoozogic'
And while "firedoglake, doesn't live here," the DNC seems to have bought into the neighborhood
I'm glad I came up with a solution that most of you could agree on.
The military can always come up with other ways to blow money besides wars. As far as taxes it's a none issue. Lower taxes lower wages. That the right's plan.
Occupy jazz.
You should be asking the cost of the uneducated and miseducated.
But you won't.
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Educated in Texas, maybe?
That would explain the confusion inherent to a lot of his comments.
I guess they teach that ignorance is free.
While the rest of us wish for freedom from ignorance.
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Well whatever Texas is, It sure as hell beats living in Detroit. Texas is experiencing a boom in jobs and housing. It's one of the top destinations for people looking for a better situation.
Detroit, on the other hand, is bankrupt. Just blocks and block of abandoned houses, high unemployment and high crime. The real estate web site NeighborhoodScout.com compiled a list of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the us. The top three most dangerous are in Detroit.
So, it may make you feel better to continue to bash Texas, but the truth is it's a much safer and better place to live. But I suspect you know that. http://www.shotgunnews.com/2013/08/02/the-nations-25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/
shotgunnews, huh?
This is what I'm talking about.
You can't extrapolate the conclusion you are making from this very limited data set.
It's ridiculous to even try, but you did.
"You can't extrapolate the conclusion you are making from this very limited data set."
Oh yes you can. It fairly common. Face it Shooz, Your fighting a lost cause. Detroit is gone forever and won't be coming back. It has become the poster child of how bad a city can become. It's the punchline of jokes and will continue to go down hill. Here's a 2009 video for you.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw
I've been nice to you so far, but with this shit???
And your dear friend in the comment below?
Nuck you farley.
Here's little truth for you to ignore.
Texas......#1 in racism!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-clymer/supreme-court-voting-rights-act-racism_b_3497572.html
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/texas-459203.asp
http://www.farmworkers.org/racistx.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/opinion/racism-in-a-texas-death-case.html?_r=0
http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/08/in-denial-about-its-racism-texas-fights-preclearan.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+texas&client=firefox-beta&hs=UO4&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tSYNUp7bN4aSyAHiw4CoBQ&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/texas_church_pushes_racist_doctrine_partner/
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/racism-allegations-hit-texas-parks-agency/nYD3H/
TEXAS!! A leader in sexist legislation!!!
http://austin.culturemap.com/news/life/07-22-13-womens-rights-texas-legislature-abortion/
http://socialistworker.org/2013/07/18/solidarity-with-texas-women
http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3069
http://www.policymic.com/articles/50031/texas-passed-abortion-laws-in-a-special-session-because-trampling-on-women-s-rights-can-t-wait
http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/check-out-these-hot-allies-of-texas-womens-rights-video.html
Texas!! #1 in pollution!!!
http://www.txpeer.org/Bush/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/29/us/politics/texas-air-pollution-compared-to-other-states.html
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201307260097
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-energy/energy/ozone-pollution-spiked-texas-year/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/epa-water-contamination-investigation-fracking_n_2484568.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=water+pollution+texas&client=firefox-beta&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=1y0NUq6rNOaQ2QWC1YHYDg&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015
http://www.thenationaltriallawyers.org/2013/07/texas-study-water-pollution-near-fracking-sites/
http://today.ttu.edu/2012/07/reign-of-acid-rain-is-far-from-over/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_Texas_has_the_most_acid_rain
Would you like to talk about ALEC activities in Texas too?
Want to talk about Ron Paul, or George W Bush?
Your denial has become legend, and your HATRED of Detroit smacks of racism.
Shooz I don't have anything against Detroit. I really don't. But when you constantly insult Texas I have to fight fire with fire.
The stone cold truth is Texas is in good financial shape and Detroit is not. People are moving to Texas for jobs, lower taxes and affordable housing. People are fleeing Detroit, fearing for their safety. Of course this could all change, but not likely any time soon.
lol
Let's see.
You claim to be "not anti-union", but do nothing but bash unions, the UAW in particular.
I'm afraid that's actually being anti-union.
You claim to be an "agnostic", but fail to see a problem with the religious additions to national icons.
That's just confused.
Now you claim not "have anything against Detroit", yet you show no empathy for their situation, in any statement so far....
You've instead, shown a complete lack of understanding about what's happened there.
A condition that indicates antipathy.
And it's not like there haven't been plenty of threads to aid you in understanding.
You end it with a statement about how money trumps all, damn all the racism, pollution, sexism and anything else that steps on your sacred bragging rights.
Please don't wonder why I question the effectiveness of a Texas education.
Here. You can sort by all kinds of metrics, including education.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100824779
MI scored 22 points higher than TX. 32 vs 10. Wait....think I'm still reading this wrong.
Aw shooz, give it a rest. You're always in attack mode. All you seem to want to do is bash people you don't agree with. Why? What's the point. Believe it or not most people aren't the assholes you want them to be. They just disagree with you.
Theres some strange logic going on here that ignoring the thread because you dont feel like someone accusing you and harassing you means you then support it.
I dont get it.
I wouldn't call that 'logic' by any stretch.
You're right. I succumb to shooz harassment too easily. I just need to just ignore him. I didn't intend to get off topic.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/union-history-down-the-memory-hole/
LOL You funny guy.
Where's the attack?
Your patronizing doesn't negate what's going on in Texas.
The multiple links you skipped over.
All three of those main items are OWS priorities.
Shall I share with you the Occupy the NRA link?
I'm only asking as shotgunnews, is a source for you, and you should know some truth about the OWS stance on guns..
OK, this is my last response to you.
The "dangerous neighborhood" article was from the real estate web site NeighborhoodScout.com. It was reprinted on shotgunnews web site. Of course you already knew that.
You can throw as big a temper tantrum as you can muster. Texas is flourishing. I mean jobs, good economy, affordable homes, low crime, low taxes and the list goes on. Texas is one of the top destination States for people fleeing bad situations in other States. On the other hand Detroit is a slum that would be worth more if it were plowed under for farmland. Sorry, shooz, that's just the way it is. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Sorry, I never read your links. You should learn to make your point yourself rather than point to some other opinion.
I'm not a member of the NRA. But I am a liberal who owns several guns. You can rant all day long about taking my guns, and you still won't get them. I'm a liberal who believes in self defense.
Bye shooz, I'm done with you.
You wish.....................:)
FEAR is why you don't follow the links.
It's the only reason.
You've rejected EVERY truth about Texas. Then you replaced them with corporate lies.
You're not here in support of Occupy.
You just aren't.
Good to know, though, that you don't stand with Texas women.
No wonder you're in such blatant denial.
Oh well.
Prepare to run screaming in FEAR!!!
http://progresstexas.org/content/alec-exposed-texas
http://progresstexas.org/blog/alec-membership-texas-searching-names-secret-group
https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2207
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/ALEC_Politicians
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/08/12213/cmd-fights-back-against-alecs-effort-evade-open-records-law-texas
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11808/alec-exposed-in-texas
Oh my........................
You do know what you can do with your phoney bragging rights, don't you?
Rub them in your face? Unless you are one of the ones who FRETS ABOUT my links?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/10/18/detroit-tops-the-2012-list-of-americas-most-dangerous-cities/
http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2013/04/22/how-states-compare-in-the-2013-best-high-schools-rankings
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/michigan-ranks-7th-worst-state-for-toxic-air-pollution-from-power-plants/
From one of your links:
"I'm an African American from Texas and can't seemed to understand why Michigan isn't on the top 10 as being racist."
I trust his opinion more than you. Thanks for the great link!
Stupid TX. Couldn't even break the top ten here. Pffft.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/10/18/detroit-tops-the-2012-list-of-americas-most-dangerous-cities/
Congrats on the fourpeat. You must be proud.
but you might want to ignore this one
http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2013/04/22/how-states-compare-in-the-2013-best-high-schools-rankings
ouch
Congrats. You beat TX here.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/michigan-ranks-7th-worst-state-for-toxic-air-pollution-from-power-plants/
Wait. I think I read that incorrectly.
It's more than made up for here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pollution+in+texas+gulf&client=firefox-beta&hs=Aqk&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ajcNUv2MKaeayQHS6YCQCA&ved=0CGAQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015
Texans are patriotic, so they drive a lot of American made cars. Those things kill more planets than the Death Star did.
Narley, Narley, Narley. You've spent almost a month dicking around with shoes about DEEtroit over TEXAS. All it has done has taken your karma points so low you can no longer stinkle that asshat and his posse.
Welcome to DEMOCRACY. You been out(down)voted :-(
I know, but I can't help myself. It's so much fun messing with shooz. He makes it so easy.
http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/billboards-give-wrong-date-detroit-election-19944185
As it was inadvertent, they are fixing them all.
Unlike the ALEC/Koch/ brothers/(R)epelican't shit that went out in the mail last election, that was done with 100% ill intent..
Try and keep up zilla.
For the moment I just want to know who will pay for free education. Actually that's a loaded question. I know who will pay for it. It will be the tax dollars of the 99%. So we increase taxes again. Seems to me the 99% can't afford too much more free stuff.
Guess who pays for the un-free education??
Guess who pays the cost of the un/miseducated?
It's still cheaper to educate people properly, in the first place.
Education, should in fact, be free to the student for life.
Nice speech. Tell it to the 99% who will paying more taxes for it. I'm sure they won't mind paying more taxes.
Really bad answer to a really "nice speech".
Perhaps you would care to answer the questions presented to you?
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Hon, here's a twink that don't count. You'll be in negative territory well before Labor Day!
Thank You kindly my dear.
Uh, this got duped cuz the one below was "removed" when I posted. I postulated that they remove posts that begin "twink" or "stink". Go figure.