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Forum Post: Craig Allen Loughrey, 7, Shot Dead in Gun Store

Posted 5 years ago on Dec. 23, 2012, 6:54 p.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, of Sharpsville, was getting into the truck when the 9 mm handgun discharged, wounding Craig Allen Loughrey in the chest, according to state police. The boy died at the scene at Twigs Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, 60 miles north of Pittsburgh." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzZ7YNdoRMQ Yes, let's have more guns. Cause that is the answer.



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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

And what can you do about another dead child?

“MY” gun control law ………….. ver 2.0

my concept is SIMPLY based on seeing a similarity between cars & guns.

If you want to argue that we don’t have a constitutional right to own a car –
and we have a right to bear arms, frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
You do not have a legal right to bear a tank or bazooka or automatic machine gun.

Consider these two cases:

  1. you leave your locked car parked on the street – some one steals it, hot wires it and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible ?
  2. you leave your unlocked car parked on the street – with keys in the ignition – some one steals it, and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible for your negligence?

Here is my proposal for a NATIONAL gun law:

All procedure fees will be priced to be very profitable
All present guns and owners will be covered by these laws
.......................................................and - no - this plan will not SOLVE all gun problems

►1► all gun owners must be licensed and tested with all guns that they own and pass a written test

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car – you are tested in each
written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime

►2► every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance & be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used .

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

►3► as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

►4► every gun must be registered and tested - and sample fired bullet stored

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

if we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers
and free up police "time" for real crime investigation

penalties and fees must be very high in money & jail time – especially after the first offense

no citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

fees should be higher for more guns.

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner can get paid to turn in their gun and they will be able to buy a new gun – with an INTEGRATED lock .

I am fundamentally NOT opposed to confiscation, but we WILL get higher compliance and lower opposition to high fees & buyback. We need to take a position of reducing guns like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles – rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.

........................................................what do you think ?
........................................................what can we do - that CAN be done ?

▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►,,,,,,,,WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN & SENATORS !!!!!!! ……………………………………………………… http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

This should wake up America to the truth about

This should wake up America to the truth about
gun company profits

This should wake up America to the truth about
gun company profits buying congress

This should wake up America to the truth about

It is NOT just the gun money,
it is the
prison privatization money,
war money,
oil money,
drug company money,
armaments money,
bank money

government of the people, by the rich, for the corporations

we MUST disconnect capitalism from democracy


[-] 1 points by gsw (3143) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

Yes.great post

Arms were muskets or swords.

That should be enough for a real conservative.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Sorry, but thats starting to look like us having to get permits for our assembly. We dont need to ask the government for permission for things that are our RIGHTS.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

We insure cars and license drivers and yet we see "aggravated unlicensed" everyday.

Your only option is to confiscate all guns and the only way to do that is to ask the NRA to lobby to deputize all local militias to go door to door to conduct full house searches - dogs, metal detectors, the whole 9... anyone who is not either a police officer or a member of that local militia loses the firearm.

Sound good?

[-] 2 points by gsw (3143) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

Let's do voluntary collection of guns.

We'll give a copy of constitution and a musket replica, and you'll be a true patriot

A musket might kill one, but it wouldn't be 100 percent.

We could throw in a gold musket ball.

There werent all these weapons back in days of constitution, so you would have your literal interpretation.

Guns currently owned could be kept, with registration and gps chip, license it like your cat.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

Well and don't think they had the behavioral issues we have today primarily because bad and poor behavior was not tolerated.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Actually, depending on the crime vehicles are considered deadly weapons and an individual may be charged as such. :/

That is not the only option. Wroooooong answer.,

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

And yet we do not seek to outlaw cars; you realize these are behavioral issues right?

[-] 2 points by gsw (3143) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

I do.

For just reasons, kids can't drive. Blind people cant drive. People with medical issues.

These are regulated legally. But there may exist loopholes, and a car could be a weapon, as it is a 2 ton piece of metal on wheels.

For some People, those with mental issues, take alcoholics or substance abusers, should loose auto privledges, until they get help to prevent reckless driving. DU! Negligent driving, etc.

Rightly, We are monitored and regulated through car and driver licensing, testing, requiring insurance, and being responsible with auto, regulated by police, camera lights, speed limits, etc.. And implied consent we will be responsible, not letting our untrained kids free access to the car. If all people were equally responsible with their guns, maybe this would not be an issue for society..

More can and should be done.

When kids get killed in USA, hopefully we all will do all in our power that this never happens. Once was way too much. Our kids are the most important irreplaceable treasures.

Alcoholics, should not have car access, but they often do, with more rights than innocent bystanders. Hypothetically, My spouse is one example.

Hypothetically... I was compelled to send her out of country some months ago, on a ruse, as she like to drink and drive irresponsibly, habitually, already totaled one vehicle--causing us (her kids) to worry for everyone's safety, that she would eventually kill with a car. Yes that is serious too. She has a "license to kill" when she drives drunk. I must do all in my power to prevent this.

I don't want her to kill, with a car. If She will not control self, she ought to be restricted in her rights.

This is a whole other mental health public safety issue.

So in a way, I relate to the mother of the Conn. Kid, what to do, where to turn to for assistance in this, and help. As these mental health issues are still complex and quasi taboo.

So she is exiled, we are fed up with her, until she decides she will take positive steps. I can't ignore her past behavior. She has lost her right to drive, in my opinion, and the buck stops here.

But what is a comprehensive solution to all this for whole public? Does country care. Many people in USA with such issues, and we don't have a health care system for all.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

What part of bringing back the ban on assault weapons has nothing to do with morality is the hardest for you to grasp?

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

The fact that the overwhelming majority of legally possessed firearms fall into one of two categories- they are either defense weapons or sporting guns; they are not assault weapons - "assault" here is the one and only defining difference; those who use weapons of any kind to facilitate assault are exhibiting bad and poor behavior - the point is, our enemy here is "behavior" - and in our present state of unbounded tolerance, behavior cannot be legislated - moral, immoral, are subjective and meaningless - still we are talking about behavior.

I am particularly opposed to a ban on semi-auto handguns - they are not assault weapons - for those most part they are defense weapons; a ban on handguns merely empowers those of poor behavior.

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 5 years ago

I never heard of a firearm being discharged when it was being placed unless someone has their finger on the trigger.

It is apparent he didn't check the chamber to verify there was no round in it. You never put your finger on the trigger of a gun unless you are going to use it. I doubt this guy had proper firearms training.

BTW the gun was a Tarus 9mm - they don't go off even if you drop them.

This is all the more reason we need to ban parents from owning firearms they just don't know what it means to be responsible.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

No charges against the father?

He should not have had a child near the gun, or the gun shop. EVER!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

i suppose there will be no charges against the ignorant father who killed his son.