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Forum Post: Clinical Depression Is A Killer Disease

Posted 4 years ago on Jan. 17, 2013, 1:31 p.m. EST by trashyharry (3081) from Waterville, NY
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Aaron Swartz is now deceased because he suffered from Severe Depression.While it may seem that he could have chosen to do something other than what he did,the reality is that Mr.Swartz had a disease that proved fatal.I feel that it is extremely unfortunate that his friends and family have decided to publicly state that circumstances,situations or people "caused" Aaron Swartz to commit suicide.Suicide is a totally abnormal response which is something no person could or would do unless they were very ill.The disease is what caused the fatal outcome in this case,and saying the US Attorney "made" Aaron Swartz commit suicide is about the same as calling the man a coward,and it is known he was not one.Mr.Swartz was a great man and a Patriot.He will be very much missed,but he should not be blamed or villified for dying at a young age from a severe illness.



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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (32942) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Greed Obsession is a killer - ( look at the crap Pharma markets for MONEY/Greed and the side-effects of that crap is actually often times killer )

[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Hi Harry, Hope I'm not misunderstanding your message but I don't agree with you that circumstantial depression doesn't lead to suicide. Last year a friend of mine shot himself, not because he was seriously ill but because he had lost his job 2 year earlier. I won't go into all the details but basically, he realized that his death would provide more financial security for his children than being alive. maybe that sounds crazy but sadly, it had become his truth- as is the truth for so many Americans today. He would have never chosen to leave his children had he felt that there was any other way but it was that hopelessness and desperation that led him to do what he did. He was not mentally ill.

The suicide rate of soldiers has become epidemic and I wouldn't say they are mentally ill either.
Have you seen the movie, " Company Men"? I watched it recently and could barely get through it because it was exactly what happened to my friend.

Schwartz, like many activists ( and geniuses) most likely became depressed when it seemed that his efforts were not making a difference or he was in constant conflict with an unjust system etc...We live in a very cookie cutter culture and those who are gifted, eccentric, creative and passionate tend to suffer more emotional distress than the average cookie. Hopelessness, despair and frustration can take a toll on us and when life seems insurmountable, death may seem like the only solution and relief one can get.

It's not uncommon for activists to become suicidal. I wonder though if they put him on medication. All too often and paradoxically, those medications for depression cause suicide. They even refer to this as ' drug-polar disorder' now. Check this out: http://robertwhitaker.org/robertwhitaker.org/Anatomy%20of%20an%20Epidemic.html

I agree with you though that diet, exercise and most importantly-worthy companionship are the best preventive medicines. Vitamin D3 is especially important for those of us living in latitudes north of Las Vegas. Singing is also very therapeutic because it vibrates our core, similar to how meditation chants do.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Thanks for the good post on Suicide. I have a Vitamin D deficit now. I'm waiting on mail order super doses. I don't know much about this.

I also agree about singing vibrating. I've been thinking about doing some things with vibrations lately.

[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

PS...re: D3.........Instead of testing my levels, .my doctor asks me how much sunshine I get compared to being in a bikini in the sunshine for at least 20 mins per day. Based on that, I'm extremely deficient and you are too since I assume you don't own a bikini???hahahah

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Good link you provied Re: depression also. Here is where they show the Power of Big Pharma to Get Our Dollars and Get RIch. Most people would benefit from never getting on Anti-depressant drugs from what I read.


[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing that page. It's so depressing ( no pun intended ;( ) to me that corps can get away with this disease/disorder mongering. It's one thing to fuck with our money, but it's another to harm people- especially children and the elderly who truly must trust their care-providers. This is why I'm so opposed to Obamacare. I have nothing against paying for a system that works for us but our medical system is a complete failure and our outcomes are the worst in the world. We have excellent emergency medicine but general medicine is the leading cause of death in the US- and I'm not exaggerating.

Gary Null has a wonderful video on youtube called, ' The Drugging of our Children' that goes into great depth about the corrupt science behind these medications. It's not just about children and Gary isn't one those conspiracy theorists..

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I'll keep this open till I watch Gary. I was just watching a couple of videos including Natural News & http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ Dr. Blaylock who is a Neural Surgeon about the propaganda from CDC and pediatric Union on Virus vacines. Apparently all federal government agencies are just Propaganda Arms. They are giving vacines to pregnant women and kids which actual prevents kids from getting cellular immunity. And they are brining mercury back into virus shots. Apparently, a government expert will state there is no evidence of risk ... when there are both long and short term studies that prove risks. Kids actually get affected up to 5-6 years after exposure to Mercury. And the governments expert is not a neurologist at all. It is all to support big pharma or to stimulate the economy.

Dr. Braylock is saying that schizophrenia and autism are related to these flu shots and cancers are related to the pesticides that we use on all normal big agracultural operations.

[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Russle Blaylock is in several documentaries pertaining to neuro diseases I think one is about Aspartame and the other is about vaccines. He's very good. The CDC works on behalf of drug companies, FDA and people like Rumsfeld.

I love history and so I'm always reading or watching something to help me put today into perspective relative to activism and such. Anyway, I just watched an old episode of Donohue with Lisa Bonet, Raul Julian and River Phoenix and they were talking about the dangers of vaccines, climate change and more. At one point, Raul said, ' But there's still hope and I feel a shift occurring where we are becoming less greedy and profit oriented". I just threw my hands up in the air. This was taped back in the late 80's early 90's and 20 years later, there has been no shift. We are exponentially worse off than before. I thought, I've got to get people on OWS to watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p6r2wMB6o9w Let me know what you think. I

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Dr. Russell Blaylock is right at the top with my other favourite Dr. Mercola.

Mercury is bad, bad, bad, but if people were openly privy to the full ingredient lists of what's in those vaccines...it would make even the simplest of people shake their heads in disgust. I think the over-vaccination would be finished in a hurry, if people would decide to get informed about what they are being injected with.

One of the scariest new ingredients is an adjuvant called "squalene"...best described by Dr. Rima Laibow, who incidentally is married to Major General Albert Stubblebine... so together, they 'know' a lot!

~" In 1998 a Patent Application was made for a system which uses a person’s own immune system to render them permanently infertile, sterile, unable to have children. The system is irreversible, once injected.

Knowing that:

  • Both Novartis and GSK vaccines “against” the trivial Swine Flu both contain 1 million times more squalene than the devastatingly dangerous Vaccine A which crippled and killed so many Gulf War I military personnel (See Squalene: Be Very Afraid Part I, http://savemylifedrrima.com/?p=3592 )

  • Even a few molecules of squalene injected into the body causes it to “break tolerance” and attack the body’s own molecules to which it is now trained for attack, including the body’s own squalene, a vital component of the Central Nervous System (which accounts for the profound and cataclysmic neurological symptoms of squalene injection"~



[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Dr. Laibow is wonderful woman. A few years ago, Dr. Weil and I got into a tiff and she came to my rescue. I love Dr. Weil but at the time he used one of my posts on his website without my permission, altered the message and essentially told everyone reading it that there was no reason at all to fear Codex and the push to overturn DSHEA. Oh boy, I was furious with him and responded accordingly. I called Rima and she immediately came to my defense like a mother bear and put Weil , very respectfully, in his place. hahaha Several others also attacked him. Today, Dr. Weil is whistling a different tune- especially after the Feds threatened him - a rude awakening to ' just' how corrupt medicine is today.

Let's see, to date, the feds have now attacked Weil, Mercola ( who counter sued..hahaha) and Oz.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Wow, have you Heard Seeds of Destuction on Audio on MDR Talk?


Controlling Food and Populations... He is talking about Food Cartels put together by the Rockafellers, talks about Kissinger, and ties in Monsanto, ... a lot of the basic info people talk about but here is William Engdahl who researched the topic.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Yes I have. This is why GM seeds are ' deadly'. Without our seed, we will die. Without real seed, no bees, we die.
In the documentary, ' The Corporation', they talk about seed banks.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I pulled out my DVD "the Corporation" in case I just want to sit today without being in front of the computer. I guess your post about seed banks is what I was trying to remember.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Holy Crap. GMO in our gut shares genetic info with other organisms. Good source, important voice. And easy to remember her name isn't it? I"m just 5 minutes into it.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

There is an east Indian scientist woman ( can't remember her name) and she is on other docs as well. Anyway, she's in that documentary and discusses Monsanto's agenda to destroy our seed and how this will end our civilization. This all sounds so dramatic but it's the damn truth.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32942) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago
[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Great links to audio on MDRTALK.org I have to plan to go back and listen to some of the professors.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Way to go Gillian!! I just love it when I hear others who are on top of the vitamin/mineral legislation. It seems to be forever teetering on the brink of an entire takeover. Thanks to people like you and tireless people in the natural medicine fields keeping the awareness going and the pressure on, hopefully we can keep the greedy sickness pushers at bay until it becomes so big that 'they' will have no choice but to retreat with their tails between their legs.

I know what you mean about Dr. Weil. I wonder if that was around the time when I was having second thoughts about him as well. I remember a while back, it just seemed like he wasn't going the distance and I wondered if he had sold out to 'TPTB'. I moved on to people like Dr. Mercola and Dr. Blaylock. To Dr. Weil's credit, he was the one who initially opened my eyes to the criminality of Big Pharma.

Thanks also for the Dr. Vandana Shiva referral to Middleaged below. The criminals at CDC, WHO, 'et al' need to be in jail! Onwards!

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Hi Renneye, The Weil altercation occurred in 05. It wasn't until I saw him on Larry King re: the flu ( hoax) in 09 that I noticed he had come to fully realize just how corrupt our system was and he openly bashed obamacare and questioned the need for flu vaccines. Many people commented that it wouldn't be long after that interview that the feds attacked him, and well, it only took them 3 days! In response, he eventually closed him health forum.
In the beginning, I loved Dr. Oz but he has become another Sanjay Gupta media celebrity and although I give him credit for having Mercola on his show, he still hands out some pretty conventional advice that I know he can't possibly agree with. He should be careful or his wife might throw him out! hahahha

[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

THANK YOU RENNEYE!! It's so nice to have your wisdom on here. Please don't leave! WE NEED YOU!

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

O, you're so sweet Gillian! You're much too kind.

That's the great thing about this forum. I have my moments I suppose, but there are so many brilliant people here...you being right up there. I read your posts frequently and I have to say that I love your knowledge & earthy nature and nurture. Solidarity Gillian!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Here is a big webpage with links top to bottom. Never saw it before. http://www.takeoverworld.info/vid.html#gladio

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Thanks Ma! Such a great website. I could get lost in there for a week!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

All I know is that the Anthrax Vaccine was found to be loaded with all kinds of unknown contaminants. So the Lab in Michigan was shut down completely during the Iraq War (might have been Battlecreek, MI). I met one guy personally that said he almost died from the Anthrax Shot, just one shot put him in emergency for a couple of days.

Great Quality Control, Not. Most people in the navy or military suspect they were injected as part of some experiment. Live guinea pigs.

I'll have to check your links a little. The way the soldier or sailor is treated is how the rest of us are going to be treated.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

A fellow that worked for me part time was in the air force and he told me that the anthrax vacc made him so ill that he almost died.

I would agree with that suspicion of military being lab rats.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

This is an important Video. I got a lot out of this. The Drugging of our Children' If people haven't seen it yet, they should.

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Thanks for watching it.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Important post!! Thanks Gillian! Thanks for the Gary Null reminder. It's been a while, and deserves a revisit.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Hey Ma! Vitamin D3. Mega Important! Vitamin D is actually a hormone. It is vital that you know 'how' to take it. Most vitamins work synergistically with two or three other vitamins in order to be absorbed properly. Also if you take only one of a certain grouping it can easily send the other ones into a deficiency. Example; most people don't know that if you take vitamin C you should most definitely be on Vitamins A & E as well. That's why the naturopath's use the term 'ACE's' for that grouping.

Vitamin D has a hard time being absorbed if you don't accompany it with proper amounts of Calcium/Magnesium/Phospherous. Just check the info online before you start. The mega doses of Vitamin D is great when you are deficient though, as its hard to get your level up from the small amounts available at the health food store. You'll start to feel better all around once your level is up. And yes, Gillian is right about making sure it is Vitamin 'D3'. Happy health Ma!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Great, now you are on the level with my doctor. I had been on Cal, Mag, Zinc, +D3. But it is just some pill, not sure how much is absorbed. Probably I'm not getting Vitamin C, A, E though and that might inhibit the D3 levels.... Need more whole food.

I have some old Eggs in the frig from 6 months ago, they have D, wonder if they are healthy to eat now.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Ha! 6 month old eggs!! Let me know what hospital they will be taking you to so I can come visit you...IF you make it, that is!

You're better off going to a quality health food store for vitamins & minerals. I take my Vitamin D3 oil and Cal/Mag/Phospherous in liquid form. Much better absorption. Don't forget Phosperous...tres important with D3. Careful with Zinc...easy to overdue, then has opposite effect with immune system. Also, an inexpensive little vitamin called Vit B1 (Thiamine) is really important for anyone who has any stomach problems such as Celiac (like I do), or for anyone who enjoys drinking alcohol regularly. Check 'B1' online as well. Gotta keep the balance! Great to hear you have a doctor who will talk with you about vitamins and minerals. Curious...is your doc an MD, or an ND, or an integrative-medicine doc?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Actually she is a nurse. Well, sounds like I need all the vitamins, lol. Probably I don't eat healthy unprocessed food. But I have an acorn squash and an eggplant waiting to cook.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago


[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Make sure it's D3!! You can have your levels tested which is the best way to determine how much you need. But, you must make certain that it's D3 that is being tested and unfortunately ( this may have changed recently) there was only one lab in the US that would test for D3 even though other labs claimed to. Vibration is really quite healing and therapeutic. I wasn't aware of this until a couple of years ago and I always wondered why the monks would chant as they did. I practice it every so often but I always start laughing hysterically. Then again, laughing is very good vibration as well!
Just call me the laughing monk ;D

[-] 1 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 4 years ago

if he could buy tickets and come and join demonstrates by the wall street it would be better... hope for the generation, you know what i mean?

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

buy tickets?
I'd like to believe there is always hope but even I am beginning to wonder if that's realistic.

[-] 1 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 4 years ago

yeah, buy tickets to DC or to NY! if someone is really want to past away into different dimension, he should come up and must be strong and determined. to be along with transparent or some message.

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 4 years ago

Yes, I understand what you mean as I've done that a few times in my life. Unfortunately Steady, some folks are just so beaten down and hopeless and desperate that they take desperate measures. Time is the enemy for people my age ( 45 plus) because we've lost so much and there isn't time to rebound especially if we're unemployed.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4716) 4 years ago

Depression is but a label that we apply to a set of symptoms. We have NOT examined the medical/psychiatric records of Aaron Swartz to be able to say definitively one way or another, whether he had "Severe Depression." What one sees on facebook can be rather misleading because facebook mostly captures what a person feels at a time. It takes much more to establish someone as having "Severe Depression." Even non-facebook friends can be misleading. Using "suicide" to diagnose "Severe Depression" smacks of slapping on labels to cover up the lack of factual knowledge.

There is preponderance of evidence that U.S. Attorney, Carmen Ortiz, had overstepped prosecutorial restraints. Every person has a certain internal psychiatric balance that external circumstances can affect. Most well-seasoned older adults have accumulated sufficient counterweights to evade suicide but younger people such as Aaron Swartz may not have had enough experience with perceived mountains shrinking into mole hills when confronted head-on. I call that, resilience, that comes with victories over time. In the particular case, Aaron Swartz was all ALONE facing the threat of the severe charges and fines and I believe that it was the most important factor contributing to his taking his own life because the powerful and ugly face of our judicial system while intimidating was also gagging him. Yes, our judicial system has let him down and it was NOT him alone.

[-] 1 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 4 years ago

yeah. good post

[-] 1 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 4 years ago

http://favim.com/image/400452/ suicide is the worth sin. what is done its done. he was afraid and not afraid at the same time. it was strong clever move. Imagine human beings will be ready to die!!? this is the worth enemy of a kind, the enemy of yourself. but the idea will be alive. we have to stop bullying man, and do good with a smile

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Do you think we will ever see self-immolation on the Capital Steps in Washington DC? Or on Wall Street? I guess there would be high security in both those locations though.

[-] 2 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 4 years ago

do you know how the arab springs "has began"? some suicide bombers they get paid a pension to their family after termination. can you imagine the impact? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZ_lLUIIyU the movement as a cult

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Holy Crap, the dude Self Immolated. Wow.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yeah, I remember that. Reflecting on it a little ... it is easy to see how the Carlise Group and its members would just say "oh, it is okay. It fits in with our plan. Let those guys do what they want. You Saudi Princes are protected and you are our partners. That is the important thing. The rebels actually help us with our agenda. The opposition to the Kingdon of Saud actually help us with some political issues. So, it all works out."

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Oh, FFS. Look, the guy's entire life was in limbo. All plans for the future were on hold. How many people can live in limbo like that? Not too damn many. This is why I made the reference several days ago to the number of people in jails that attempt, and are sometimes successful, suicide.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3081) from Waterville, NY 4 years ago

I agree that this case resembles a Jail Suicide-but I know why he did it,because I have suffered from the same disease lo these many years.Mr.Swartz was no doubt aware of his alternatives.He was or had been in treatment,so-he knew.I don't believe he was afraid to go to jail,or "mad at the world," or inconsiderate of others or any of the rest of it.I am sure he just simply could not endure the hideous pain of depression for even ONE MORE MINUTE-and with this disease there is no escaping the pain any other way.I am sure nobody knew how ill he was or he would never have been left alone.This is a huge loss-he accomplished so much in his short life.However:"Life and Death are the Common Lot."

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Limbo. Not fear of jail. Limbo.

You can be depressed but not be suicidal. You can not be depressed and become suicidal.

Either way, this whole shift some type of blame back and forth between his depression and the prosecutor just sucks ass.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32942) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

This is why it is so important to feed the spirit - that is the medicine to apply as needed to fight depression - spirit/soul food.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3081) from Waterville, NY 4 years ago

Depression is a medically based mental illness-exact cause unknown.Things to do to fight depression-exercise,vegetarian or vegan diet,nutritional supplements,more exercise,and Occupying Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by Delphii (1) 3 years ago

Depression is a natural reactive response to a dysfunctional society - and in addition, can also be triggered by direct specific mistreatment.

So although individuals can have some predisposition toward depression, depression can also directly be caused by unhealthy factors present in society/environment...

Most of us are actually depressed on some level, because of exposure to the high level of dysfunction globally present in society, but we may often present it differently or can be distracted out of it occasionally by other interests.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32942) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I like that last entry - people might not consider that reaching out in the effort to join in creating a better world for all could be spirit feeding/fulfilling.

Music is also good as well as talking to others ( more then passing the time of day ) - Find Laughter as well.

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 4 years ago

on the other hand, churchill ( a drinker and smoked cigars) suffered from depression most of his life. it didnt stop him from being the greatest leader of the 20th century.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 4 years ago

Churchill was a proponent of the English empire, the major source of global oppression in his time. Imperialism is a backwards movement, so although he directed that movement, its direction was generally backwards.

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 4 years ago

churchill knew the dangers of hitler, and effectively lead his people through WWII. chruchill knew what the nazis were doing to the Jews , wanted the railheads bombed,.fdr wasnt interested.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 4 years ago

Fascism was a sub component of British imperialism, some even say that Hitler was a British agent:


British finance, along with Wall Street and multi national German corporations financed the rise of the Nazi party:


Their intention was to destroy Germany, which was rapidly developing in terms of science and technology. So they raised up the Nazi party to induce Germany into a war with Russia.

The Anglo-American financiers created a monster that eventually turned on them. As a result, Churchill had to go begging to FDR to help them destroy the monster that they had created.

FDR's condition was that after the war, the British empire would be dismantled. Unfortunately, he died soon after the war, allowing too many vestiges of the empire to remain, in particular, the global banking establishment, which OWS now opposes.

England and the English people have plenty of things to be proud of, such as Shakespeare. Imperialism is nothing to be proud of, and that goes for America too.

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 3 years ago

you know so much about what you dont know.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 3 years ago

And apparently, I know a lot about what you don't know as well.