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Forum Post: Charity Causes Poverty!

Posted 8 months ago on Aug. 23, 2013, 10:11 a.m. EST by shooz (26739)
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In the latest lies from the libe(R)tarian "community", there's a rash of articles claiming, charity causes poverty.

They are correct.

Charities like ALEC and CATO cause more poverty than almost any other cause.

Of course, they missed that part.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/22/cato-institute-report-says-poor-americans-have-it-too-good/

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18314-hedge-fund-manager-believes-charity-causes-poverty

Scrooge McDuck has spoken.

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

In compliment - there is truth in some charities being bad:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/another-good-argument-for-a-comprehensive-national/

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago
[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

EDIT: Hmmmm population control. I was not sure. Was He volunteering to go? A Good trickle down program? I mean trickle down has never really trickled down past the wealthy.......................................... I mean if he was volunteering himself - well - it makes a lot of sense - I mean look at all of the resources being wasted tied-up on just Him - besides don't those kind of assholes say that at "HIS" age the most productive years are over past gone?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

yeah

fuck it

I haven't had a non menial job for 10 years

I'm just doing time before death anyway

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

I'm just doing time before death anyway

You are not alone - the greedy have always done their best to put the common individual in that position - " doing time " - for them.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Only so many will fit in the gulch.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

OH - Well Then - it must absolutely start from the very top - don't you think? OH - they should be able to take along their most faithful bootlickers too - Right? Seems only proper..................

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Amazing that they are allowed to speak in public. It boggles the mind.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Public?

It's amazing they can speak at all.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

They have tutors ...um propagandists - hired for each assignment - the script gets written approved and installed.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

They need some new script writers.

It seems we have some of them on the forum.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Yeah - unfortunately. But good news is - their madness is usually pretty obvious.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

The loud stuff just provides cover for the quiet lies.

I wonder if the DOJ will prosecute?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10204

This is a lie from their (Texas) top lawyer.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

I wonder if the DOJ will prosecute?

Well now - wouldn't that be a nice change.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

You know Texas, even the lies a bigger, but I doubt they will prosecute.

They can be so fucking lame.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

I doubt they will prosecute.

That does seem to be the normal response in this day and age.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

yep

don't do anything for free

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

It's the same old message, with a new set of words.

The poor, "choose" to be poor.

So sit on your ill gained money pile.

Libe(R)topia, by any other name, would smell as bad.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

and the rich choose not to pay the poor for labor

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

leave it to the Koch heads of CATO

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Yes, it appears that that is pretty much what is happening worldwide.

The Koch's are a kind of blatant figurehead. There are many more just like them all over.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

I'm quite confident they are far, far more than mere figure heads

They do far more than simply cheer from the sidelines.

They help fund PBS - you think that is not in an effort to bend the programming? Have you ever watched Tom Sellick narrate a nature show?

fuk

talk about dripping with repelican code words, perspectives, and ideology, as it is reflected in nature.

the fukers are disgusting.

They are no more than animals themselves, and I say let us treat them as such.

the fukers

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Figurehead, is perhaps the wrong term..

More like spokes models.

I say this because the more I look, the more I find that they are not alone by any means, but they do seem to invite the most scrutiny.

Folks like Pete Peterson, get overlooked, because of it.

Then there's Pope.

A billionaire, who just bought a State.

Another silver spoon libe(R)tarian.

He got bastard of the month anyway.

http://www.thevileplutocrat.com/bile/profile/art-pope/

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

he should be worth a limerick or two, but at the moment I seem to be fresh out.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Among other things, he's dedicated to destroying SS.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/pete-peterson-and-social-security

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

But there are limits. A look at history might suggest to you that pillaging too many people of too much for too long may actually result in said people deciding they have had enough of you. Occupy was a hint

.

mark it well mutherfukers

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 7 months ago

Theres ways to cut it without actually publicly cutting it:

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-best-life/2012/12/19/how-chained-cpi-affects-social-security-cola

The people running the system are just a tad bit smarter than the average joe reciting talking points.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Your dear friends the libe(R)tarians have been calling for it for a long time.

Just because you like to pretend they have no effect, doesn't make it so.

"Who likes chained CPI?

Republicans do. Even as GOP leaders slammed Obama’s budget as a whole Wednesday, they found room to offer some praise for his approach to entitlements, which includes Social Security."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/10/the-ins-and-outs-of-chained-cpi-explained/

You have NOT as usual so much as mentioned those entities that been dedicated to destroying SS for a very long time.

Did you ever manage to follow the money in N. Carolina yet?

Have you managed the oration on the UAW yet?

All this shows, is that you've ignored all the other posts on Mr. Peterson, and decided that you could attempt to insult me, as an average Joe.

You're not exactly the above average joe yourself, and your post from USnews, is full of talking points all it's own.

You just missed them.

[+] -5 points by pelise (-87) 7 months ago

The Republicans are evil, but so are Obama and friend.

Aren't you disgusted by the Monsanto Protection Act? Aren't you disgusted by the NSA and how Obama is treating Snowden?

By only attacking the Republicans, it's like you support Obama? He's also right wing you know.

Do you still work for the Democrat Party? That's kind of like endorsing the Monsanto Protection Act, and the other dangerous things they are doing.

It think it's better to play outside the system. To go for anarchy, instead of for the Democrats.

The system is broken and all the parties are corrupted and evil, not only the Republicans as you would have us believe.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

Morning, Dicknose.

[+] -5 points by pelise (-87) 7 months ago

What's the purpose of this childish attack and profanity? How does it help the 99%, how does it help build communities?

You agree with Obama's decisions like the Monsanto Protection Act?

Why?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

What is the purpose of you dickwads singling out Zen? How does this help build communities?

You agree with Andy Kessler and Cato?

Why?

[-] -3 points by pelise (-87) 7 months ago

Nobody is singling out Zen. I simply asked him a few questions. I do that to many other users. There's no singling out.

Where did it say I agreed with Andy Kessler or CATO. I don't. I don't agree with the Republicans nor the Democrats. I don't believe in the system, I believe in Occupy.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

You singled him out. You're a multiple ID cockroach. Of course you agree with Andy Kessler and Cato. That's why you spend so much time avoiding discussion of the issue. It's why you came over to this thread. Don't want the word to get out. Ya?

[+] -4 points by pelise (-87) 7 months ago

I singled him out by replying to one of his comments? Does that mean every time someone replies to someone else, they single them out? What kind of logic is this?

Of course I agree with Andy Kessler and CATO? No. I don't. It's your antiquated partisan position based on antiquated duopoly thinking that blinds you. It's possible to be both against the Republicans and the Democrats. Being against the Democrats does not automatically equate being for the Republicans, and vice versa, that's only in your duopolistic mind.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

You seem to spend a large amount of time replying to his comments but you don't say too much. Again. You just agreed with Kessler and Cato. You have refused to speak on the issue.

[-] -3 points by pelise (-87) 7 months ago

You seem to spend a large amount of time replying to his comments

No. I barely every reply to his comments.

Where and when did I agree with Kessler and CATO? Are you on drugs?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

I am far more disgusted by the fact that every time someone mentions the predictability of the masses they engage in denial of the predictability of the individual.

that's bullshit. And nobodie's talkin.

As far as Obama, to suggest his is right wing is absurd. The fukers lie every chance they get - painting him as left, you lie painting him as right, when in fact he is centrist, and the deal with monsanto is likely a result of the total dysfunction of Congress and the Presidents attempts to deal with it. I haven't looked at the Monsanto issue - but I don't believe any deal with GMO kings is going to be a good deal for the rest of the planet.

As for anarchy

I don't believe you are for that either. I think you are a liar.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

Wait............where's the puppies?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

They sold them as supper.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

Nah, I see they are still here.

[-] 5 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Oh.........you mean puppet puppies!

The soap opera of the banned.

The endless parade of trolls who just can't seem to figure out why they got banned.

So they come back and whine incessantly.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

Yep.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Think they'll sign this petition?

https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=3881

If they think I'll stop posting about ALEC at their lame behest, they are very much mistaken.

In fact, at this point I will offer them a thank you , for strengthening my resolve.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Think they'll sign this petition?

Surely ( don't call me Shirley ) you jest - they are more likely to say they don't sign on-line petitions as they don't believe they do any good - the assholes.

BTW - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Sign this petition telling the #mileg to stop ALEC's assault on public education! https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=3881 … via @progressmich

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

I'm still waiting for them to tell me all about the great, forward thinking legislation ALEC has "produced".

So far?

Nuthin'.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Hell forget about forward thinking - how about anything that is good/beneficial for The People ( the living kind of people - breathing ) - ALL OF THE PEOPLE !!!

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Tsk. They barely tolerated the fact that OWS was a big part of the ALEC protests in Chi town.

Now that that is over, they renewed their attacks here, on those that post ALEC info.

Screw 'em.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Check this out ( and what I sent in a reply ):

When corporations want to throw their weight around in our elections, they don't make a big announcement about it, because they know better -- they know that we, as their customers, would be furious to find out that the money we spend at the grocery store or the gas pump is helping some of the most radical right-wing candidates around.

And because of the Citizens United decision, corporations can do it all in secret. They can try to buy our democracy on the sly by providing secret funding to non-profit groups that run ads for extremists and against our progressive champions.

The Federal Election Commission (FEC) may be doing a terrible job of combatting this problem, but the SEC, or Securities and Exchange Commission, has a huge opportunity to uncover exactly the kind of corruption that we fight against every day.

Right now, the SEC is asking the public whether it should force publicly traded corporations to reveal their political donations, and we have to make sure the commission hears from progressives.

Sign on to progressives' statement to the Securities and Exchange Commission: Make corporations disclose their political donations.

Publicly traded companies are accountable to their shareholders, the people who own stock in the company. The SEC already requires these companies to disclose to their shareholders about the companies' financial reserves, the salaries of their executives, and more.

But right now, these corporations don't have to tell their shareholders about any secret money they're spending to influence elections -- not how much they’re spending, not where they're spending it, nothing.

Corporations want to have it both ways. They want to exploit Citizens United to influence elections, and they want to do it without anyone knowing.

But there's a growing movement to change that, because corporations that are part of American society must be held accountable for their actions here.

Join progressives asking the SEC to hold corporations accountable to their shareholders for political spending. Sign on to our statement now.

Until we overturn Citizens United, and before it's too late, we need to act to keep corporate money from corrupting our government entirely.

Thanks for uniting as a progressive,

Cole Leystra Executive Director Progressives United CONTRIBUTE

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Progressives United, Inc. was founded by former Senator Russ Feingold. We fight corporate influence and corruption in all its forms.


A reply I sent:

Good cause but don't limit the truth - that they will fund both sides in the hopes of buying that candidate for office should they win. This is the truth and would I think be accepted as such - perhaps even supported by people who consider themselves as conservative but not at all represented by the Rep ( corp(se)oRAT politicians in office.


No doubt this will still get attacked.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Not by me.

I'll sign 'em.

I said a long, long time ago, that everything a publicly traded corporation does, should be a matter of public record.

Most fail to grasp the implications of that.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Well not only that = that everything a publicly traded corporation does, should be a matter of public record.

But that business should have absolutely no right to influence government.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

If you are making enough money to buy a Government. You are making way too much money.

I can't say that often enough.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

I can't say that often enough.

Along with: GREED the #1 cause of Disease Death and Destruction in the World.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 7 months ago

I did.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

stop them I they won't come back

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

I don't have the tools to do that.

Do you?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

nope

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Then the only thing to do, is to challenge their demented rhetoric, until the inevitable ban takes place.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

it'd be nice to make money