Posted 3 years ago on April 5, 2012, 3:04 a.m. EST by Odin
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A few days ago I commented on our fellow forum blogger pewestlake's post, "Move to Amend http://occupywallst.org/forum/move-to-amend-david-cobb-part-2-american-creation-/ David Cobb...," which was about repealing Citizen's United. We went back and forth, and although our beliefs are very close, we differed on whether capitalism could be reformed enough to meet the expectations of perhaps most of us at OWS. Basically, he thinks it can be reformed, and I am not so sure that it can as we don't have a good history of that being so.
I had thought about making that comment a post as I thought it would be an interesting debate, but I wanted to ask shadz66 what he thought of it, and he suggested that I should. I urge all of you to return to pewestlake's original post to see how we got here. Anyway, here is that comment with a few small changes reincarnated as a post.
"Yes, but capitalism is based on never-ending growth, needing infinite resources on a finite planet...with little regard for anything else. Even when it was working well for us...at what cost to us, our loved ones, and others in the world, or to the earth itself? We have been conveniently able to close our eyes to the wars...all the innocent people who were maimed or killed with the most sophisticated, horrific, lethal weapons...cluster bombs that kill indiscriminately, bombs made with depleted uranium causing babies to be born with deformities, and unprecedented cancer rates possibly for generations to come. Since we don't see any of the effects of this...it's like these people never existed..it never happened; Then there's our support of brutal dictators, and the fear that their people have to live with on a daily basis; and finally the degradation of the enviroment which causes health problems to our family members and so many people....and threatens life itself. And for the most part...all this because corporate and banking profits reign supreme.
When does all this shit come to an end? Will it ever? We seem to have been able to compartmentlize our values, our morals. Is it because, if it is not an American life, it doesn't count? The injustices that we have perpetrated in the world are being brought to light more and more, but maybe not here so much....with a corporate owned media that acts more as an accomplice than anything else....and probably because it's just kind of uncomfortable to think about all that human misery. These suppressed people have awoken though, much like we have, but to a much bigger degree through social media and even the mainstream media like Aljazeera. So now we are embarked on a war on terror...giving little or no thought as to why they are so angry at us. It's really just blow-back for all the injustices that we have wreaked on them... which we choose to ignore their struggle by substituting a feigned justification for it, ie. "They are jealous of our freedoms," as President George W. Bush so ignorantly proclaimed.
We fear getting pepper-sprayed and getting arrested for standing up to a corrupt system. They feel it is worth risking their lives, rather than to live like the way they have any longer. We cannot deny our culpability in their plight. They will not stand for this any longer. I don't blame them, and I have empathy for them.
I remember talking to a friend who lived in a repressive regime. It was while I was in Guantanamo Bay in 1994-1995 during the Haitian and Cuban refugee crisis. For much of the time we were there, we were alongside a Ukranian cruise ship that was being used as a hotel for the military and all the different government agencies that were there in support of the operation. Unbelievable to me at the time, the ship's crew was Russian..some of them former Soviet military in GTMO! Anyway one night after being there for several months, one of the ship's engineers whom I befriended opened up to me...and yes it was over a bottle of vodka..on what life was like in the Ukraine. He was literally in tears telling me how you could not trust anyone, including family. Can you imagine that? And that is only one facet of what it is like to live under that type of subjugation...and we have and still support brutal dictators who force their people to live under similar circumstances, and worse.
I feel that our country has an important role to play in the world, but the role of holding on to or expanding our hegemony...our Empire is not one of them, as we are going the way of the fall of the Roman Empire. As I have said before, it is bankrupting us both financially, and maybe more importantly spiritually. Most the world knows this, but we seem to continue to live in denial. Anyway, our victims will no longer put up with this abuse. The people of this planet want a different world. Our leaders seem oblivious to this fact. We need new solutions. We need to take a new path, and we need new blood, and I just don't think that we should discount a different economic system....just because either new things are scarey, and we have never lived under anything else except capitalism. That's all." http://billmoyers.com/episode/moving-beyond-war/