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Forum Post: Calling All Supporters Of Occupy Wall Street!

Posted 1 year ago on May 8, 2013, 1:43 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (8719)
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We need to hear you again on this forum.

All those who have supported this movement need to make their voices heard once again here, if only briefly, on this forum.

The opponents of this movement are gradually getting the upper hand here, gradually shifting the meaning of this movement to their ends - that is the power of money.

Please leave a brief comment here - if only to say that you are still out there - and that your convictions have not changed.

The mainstream narrative is that this movement is dead. They reinforce this every day with their negation. But this movement is only dead if it is dead within us. So, all those who have contributed so much here in the past, or have never commented here, let us hear from you now!

Enter your username - sign your mark, make a signature here, so we may see that even if this movement is in a state of flux, we are still the 99%, and we are still united!

Those who have been the voice of this movement on this forum cannot go on forever. They need others to uphold the true voice of the movement here as well. So, if you agree with our goals please post your username, comment, below.


We, the undersigned, support a new vision for the world, one of love for all people and all living things - one that is not motivated by profit, but by the human spirit!

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[-] 10 points by GreedKills (1119) 1 year ago

I hope OWS will rebound and become one of the tools that rescues the US from the grip of fascism/corporatism which is killing the middle class and leaving the poor to starve.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks for speaking out here. One thing I know is that the sentiments that spawned this movement haven't changed. How things will play out we can't know. . . But this isn't over. Not by a long shot.

[-] 6 points by trashyharry (3113) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

The People of the world must Topple The Oligarchs.I would never have thought the Nefarious Montt would end up in the Dock-let alone in prison sentenced to 80 years.True-Montt and the other perpetrators of the Guatamalan Genocide were only the TOOLS of Oligarchs-but this shows great weakness,that the tools could not be protected.#OWS needs to call a convention either on private property or in a campground.We should march from Syracuse to Fort Drum to show our commitment to change and to show our support for Brad Manning,who will be remembered always as a Hero of his generation for releasing the war logs documenting hundreds or perhaps thousands of war crimes.

[-] 6 points by loneshark (7) from Norfolk, VA 1 year ago

still here. waiting for the Feds to go away... will they ever? will the voice of the People ever triumph over the will of the elite? Thank you all for revealing the oppression. The police state is real. The enslavement by the world bank is real. Money controlling politics is real. The corptocracy is real. Freedom is dead, has been for years. Sometimes I wonder why I decided to wake up to this...

[-] 6 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 1 year ago

I recommend everyone read Kavatz' post on departmental governance. I have not been visiting this site, because there was just too much negative, awful energy from both ends of the spectrum. However, good ideas are presented and thoughtful people are thinking -- that is a good start. Negative b.s. burns itself out, but truly good ideas should continue to be promoted, discussed, argued, etc. But putting anything into effect requires a lot of hard work and cooperation. The person who said "activist for a day" has a great idea -- everyone get out to one demonstration or start one yourself, just once. Then maybe once a month. No one said change is easy. This forum is just a talking place -- the doing place is more difficult.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Much more difficult.

[-] 5 points by socialrevolution85 (10) 1 year ago

We need to try and organize for new days of action in NYC

[-] 6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

March on Monsanto is going to be a big one, I would start helping to promote that one.

https://www.facebook.com/MarchAgainstMonstanto

[-] 5 points by socialrevolution85 (10) 1 year ago

We need to get this movement restarted again!!! i cannot stress this enough i have never posted on here, but we can not give up, we have to fight back against the establishment and the powers that be and to let the rest of the world know we are still here!! i've become nostalgic about this movement because of its recent inactions, but i pray for the return of people willing to get out there in the streets again and shake the walls of this capitalist system!! all power to the people!!!

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

The cat has gotten out of the bottle. It's not going back in. These type of social movements never follow a straight trajectory up as Chris Hedges has pointed out

The ruling elites' disconnected, ignorant over-confidence will be the cause of their downfall, and then.....

In all likelihood I'll be out there for this Saturday's Monsanto protest

I'll see you there, right?

Solidarity...~Odin~

[-] 0 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

You should be ashamed of yourself. Keeping your pet cat in a bottle? Rarily have I heard of something more cruel. I keep mine in a bag. Unless of course, you got mixed up because of Pineapple Express?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK4FXyNcPIs

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

OK, granted I need a little work on getting my metaphors straight...lol, but you get the picture, right?

I believe it could be one of three things in reaching the critical mass of people we need,

-1. It could be something catastrohic that happens, like a financial meltdown. Of course we all hope that does not happen.

-2. It could be the cumulative negative effects of neoliberalism that people suffer in a plethora of ways

-3. Or as Hedges, who covered the rebellions in Eastern Europe pointed out, it could be something fairly mundane that finally puts people over the edge

Until then, it should be our job to PERSEVERE in continuing to REACH-OUT and RESIST while building coalitions..friendships along the way

Let me give another metaphor a try; Good mariners are not made on calm seas

Just yesterday, I had a wonderful conversation with the guy at the Costco concierge dept. when I called about my printer not working. After we resolved that problem, he asked me if I were happy about the service. My answer led into the differences between WalMart and Costco, and how much i appreciated how Costco treats their employees. We ended up talking about Occupy which he was very supportive of

It is this kind of engaging people that we should all be doing on an every day basis as this is what will fuel the power of exponential growth of our movement

Then on a side note, I fired up my printer & printed out reasons why people should not shop at Walmart, 4 lists..neat different size lettering to a page. And then on my way to friends for Sunday dinner, I stopped by the printing store and made 25 copies (100 lists) on bright green paper. These will be dropped off at different businesses including Walmart both here in NJ and in AK where I will be in June

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I just thought the idea of a cat in a bottle was quite funny. I imagined you as some kind of mad professor in his laboratory.

You're doing great work Odin. It's awesome that a user from this forum understands Occupy and does real actions in the streets. Keep up the great work.

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Thanks, but as I implied in my previous comment, we all have the chance to progress this struggle in countless ways whether we are near an active movement or not

My last "action" in last Saturday's Dance Parade also needs a little work...lol

At least i was good for holding up one end of the OWS banner...till i got tired...;-)

~Odin~

[-] 5 points by gsw (2729) 1 year ago

We, the undersigned, support a new vision for the world, one of love for all people and all living things - one that is not motivated by profit, but by the human spirit!

Gsw

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago
[-] 4 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Great song shadz, as it encapsulates an indomitable "spirit" that will occur when people gain the feeling of EMPOWERMENT

Solidarity to you & all your rellys in Queens & Britain & your inlaws across Newtown Creek in Brooklyn

~Odin~

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Rise Up or Die'', by Chris Hedges :

''Herman Melville’s “Moby-Dick” grasps the dark soul of global capitalism. We are all aboard the doomed ship Pequod, a name connected to an Indian tribe eradicated by genocide, and Ahab is in charge. “All my means are sane,” Ahab says, “my motive and my object mad.” We are sailing on a maniacal voyage of self-destruction, and no one in a position of authority, even if he or she sees what lies ahead, is willing or able to stop it. Those on the Pequod who had a conscience, including Starbuck, did not have the courage to defy Ahab. The ship and its crew were doomed by habit, cowardice and hubris. Melville’s warning must become ours. Rise Up Or Die.'' & Solidarity Odin @ u, 'TT' & OTS !!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 4 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I read this earlier tonight on Truthdig's web site, and gave it a lot of thought. Hedges' assessment is very sobering, but I feel it is an accurate account as to what has happened, and what we have to do to change it

We all wish this rev was further along with more people waking up to the frightening realities of where we are at

We know what lies ahead of us if we do not reach the critical mass of people we need

And that fact alone should be the impetus that keeps us persevering

Still though we have to keep a positive attitude while maintaining and growing a strong sense of COMMUNITY

There is no alternative for that as the forces we are up against are monumental

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''We all live better lives when the common good is not for sale.'' & many thanx Odin for your emotionally literate & insightful comment, in compliment of which I quote the first sentence of this reply, from :

''We have to keep a positive attitude while maintaining and growing a strong sense of COMMUNITY. There is no alternative for that as the forces we are up against are monumental'' ... yes and 'MonSatanical' too :-) Solidarity O.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

For me on Saturday; La Beaute Est Dans La Rue of New York

Perhaps as people throughout the world get out in the streets on that day, Monsatan will begin to get the message that the people have had enough of their bullshit

Solidarity shadz

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Consider the “Moral Monday” demonstrations in North Carolina.

''They do not have ‘one demand’ but rather are challenging the systemic corruption, undermining of democracy and misdirection of a state government that puts human needs second to corporate profits – which they have dubbed ‘Robin Hood in Reverse’. This week 49 of 200 protesters inside the capitol were arrested singing, chanting and echoing many of the same concerns that demonstrators have for the past three Mondays. Last week there were 30 arrests, the week before 17. Among those arrested was an 83 year old retired minister, Vernon Tyson, who was merely a spectator, but he gave a great interview cheering on the protests after his release. And, a group of historians were among those arrested who put these protests in the context of US history.'' from :

Solidarity @ you & yours Odin & all @ OTS, NY et encore, oui mon ami 'La Beaute Est Dans La Rue' !

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

The "decentralized,creative and growing" popular resistance to plutocaracy is a very positive development, and arguably may have become accelerated after the break-up of the physical Occupations, as it not only opened peoples' eyes, but forced them to become more resourceful

Which brings me back to the nautical quote; Good mariners are not made on calm seas

As more and more people are realizing our plights are interconnected, more alliances will be forming with the realization that there is strength... EMPOWERMENT... in UNITY

Good links, thanks

~Odin~

I knew I should have pulled my shirt out to see that i got that French phrase correct...correction made. The shirt is red, the suggested color for the Monsatan day protests so i'll be stylin' Sat...err as much as an older dude can be anyway..lol

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

You're Super Styin' already bro' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kE0pxRkMtQ :-)

''There's a power about rhythm ; there's a power about bass'' & there's a power about protest ; there's a power about togetherness ; there's a power about struggle - ''so climb into position - we're synchronising & one time lyrics them-a stick in your mind and ... rise and amplify it and come in with the swing'' ~{;-)

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Today shadz, I once again witnessed, "There's power about protest; there's power about togetherness; [and]there's a power about struggle"

And knowing that these protests were taking place world-wide made those feelings all the more intensified in people

"We are in the midst of the prehistory of historic transformational change that will end the rule of money." by kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers

http://www.globalresearch.ca/building-mass-resistance-against-new-world-order-economic-austerity/5336278

As more and more 'taps' are opened, it becomes more dificult to shut the flow of dissent off

And I am "swing[ing]" for the fences, and so are alot of other people

~Odin~

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''The government responds with police force and ignores the demands of the people. Super majorities of Americans agree with the views of the popular resistance ... even if they are not yet acting. This is a recipe for a mass eruption of movement activity. We are all now in the midst of the pre-history of historic transformational change: a transformation, which will end the power of money to ensure that the people and planet come before profits.'' - Excerpted from your excellent link above and I provide an alternative link below, with an easier to read font :

Furthermore, in solidarity with someone we both admire, I append :

Solidarity & strength @ u, 'tTT', OTS & The 99% wherever we are !!

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

As more people become aware of a singular issue in which our governement is working in complicity with corporate interests...and against our's

They will start to look elsewhere where that is true too, and they will not have to look far

From your excellent link authored by Kevin Zeese and Margaret fFowers; "As it is with many other issues, the future of the world's food supply boils down to the people vs. concentrated wealth and corporate power."

Solidarity...~Odin~

Edited; Yes I love CodePink, and their 'in your face style'

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.'' (Frederick Douglass)

That's not at all to advocate any violence against persons or property but the mass organised violence of Corporate Crapitalism & Austerity being inflicted upon The Global 99% will tend towards resistance and also as JFK said : ''Those who make non-violent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable'' ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AesVsRvOEo ) but sadly, it seems that such sentiments get US Presidents killed it seems. Listening to that link and watching him speak from nearly exactly 50 years ago, it is heartbreaking and head hardening at the same time. Finally a couple of links for you as you prep for more northern latitudes :

Solidarity @ u, 'tTT' & 'hafita'. Wishong you safe jorney out, sasfe harbour and a happy homeward leg eventually.

pax, amor et lux ; hic, ubique et semper ..

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

One has to wonder what if.....more of the succeeding Presidents spoke and acted in the same way that Kennedy did, if things woud have been vastly different

I'll never forget reading about an Egyptian guy who years later after Egypt received food aid from us during his administration saying something like; "That was Kennedy's milk"

While the World was imperfect then too, there was no need for Homeland Securtiy then

Seeing so many young people question "consumerism" and looking for a deeper meaning to life is very good to see, and it is something we should all give a lot of thought to

As that transformation is going to be a necessary evolution to a sustainable world

Thanks for the well wishes shadz...I'm kinda hoping a lot of that snow is going to be melted before i get there...;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSt0NEESrUA

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Did someone say DECENTRALIZED? :^P

Uh oh, here come the central planner trolls.....

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Give 'em a break OTP. Today was a good day for putting aside the differences we have with 'people of conscience'...anyway, and celebrating what we can agree on

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I'm curious, is there as many pro-Obamists trying to co-opt Occupy in affinity groups as there is on this site?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You should stop begging and answer the questions asked of you.

You should also be begging the answer to the opposite question.

Are there a bunch of libe(R)tarian gun nutters co-opting affinity groups?

So c'mon.

answer the questions.

[-] -2 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

Are there a bunch of libe(R)tarian gun nutters co-opting affinity groups?

I assume that would be impossible. Gun nutters are just evil, but they are honest about it. So, no occupier would fall for such views which are antithetical to OWS.

Obamians are trickier. They pretend to offer hope and change.

Here's Noam Chomsky explaining why Obama is more dangerous than Bush and/or Blair.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You got the one where he explains libe(R)tarians?

All "leaders" are dangerous.

It's in the nature of their high offices.

Now will you answer the questions I asked you in the first place, or are you waiting for the threads to run out so you can pretend you got the last word?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm curious, should we call you the Chris wanker club?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

That's a loaded question. There are many good people here who are not near active movements, and believe out of conscience that Occupy should get involved in partisan politics. I disagree as pretty near everyone here knows

I do my best to respect their opinion, while trying to convince them otherwise, but as you know that is diffcult for both of us at times

Anyway I try hard to build on what we can agree to, which most times far overshadows our differences

This is a microcosm of what Occupy has and is doing with various altruistic groups, and namely that is putting aside minor differences for the greater good...the common goal of having a system that puts people's interests over banking and corporate interests

The answer to your question though is a most emphatic NO, but I believe you already knew that, didn't you T?

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I knew the answer only for the affinity group I attend. I was asking honestly, because there very well could be pro-Obamians trying to co-opt other affinity groups in Occupy. I was worried the problem wasn't limited to this site and was perhaps a concerted effort. But, you are right, most likely it stems from ignorance.

Unfortunately, most people here have not participated in an Occupy event, so it's easy to understand why they might be ignorant of what OWS is. Add the fact that this site acts as a window into Occupy for a lot of people, newcomers sure get a strange idea of what OWS is.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I did not use the term "ignorant" as using it is offensive and inaccurate. If there is any hope in changing people's minds, that simply is not a good term to use

I do think that many people just don't understand the depth of the problems we have, hence would like to think that we can solve our problems at the voting booth

I would love to hold that belief myself, but all the evidence that i see is to the contrary

Many of the people who post here are older like me, but unlike me are more conservative hence they do not want to take risks

It's just i believe unless we are willing to confront our fears, and take those risks, our return will be negligible

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I did not use the term "ignorant" as using it is offensive and inaccurate. I do think that many people just don't understand the depth of the problems we have....

Being ignorant of something is simply not knowing about it. Not understanding means knowing something, but not having the ability to process what it means.

The latter is actually more offensive, but perhaps you are correct that it is more accurate.

My assumption was that those here who support Obama simply don't know what Occupy is all about. They don't know it's anarcho-communism, anti-establishment, and vows to play from outside the system because Occupy believes the system is broken and that playing from within it only legitimizes that broken system we are against. I assumed they were ignorant of these facts. And, I wouldn't have been surprised. Occupy did more to hide its anarchic tradition than to show it off.

However, if the people here who support Obama know that Occupy is anarcho-communism, anti-establishement, and vowed to fight from outside the system, but don't understand these things, then we have a much bigger problem.

It's easy to teach people who are ignorant, you simply tell them the facts. It's much harder to teach people who know the facts but cannot understand what they mean.

If you are right, I'm not sure what we can do. If after almost three years the people here know what Occupy is, but don't understand it, how are we to teach them? Perhaps Occupy should promote the use of tutors to those who read about anarchy and cannot comprehend it? Or online classes for those how need help understanding anarchy?

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

For both better or worse people here will evolve as I have

Just give them the chance without deriding them by calling them "ignorant"

As more people realize the scope of our problems, and the inability and unwillingness of our political system to fix them, it is my belief/hope that some of them will give up on partisan politics

And if they do, i will not gloat

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

You're accusing me of deriding the people here by saying they are ignorant of some facts, essentially saying they just don't know.

In turn, you state they don't understand which is worse than not knowing, and you top it off by stating that they will eventually evolve to the height at which you already have.

Well, I agree with you. Most people here still need to evolve a great deal.

You should write a detailed post explaining how people can evolve as you did.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"Ignorant" is a particularly harsh word to use on anyone or his beliefs

I'm not going to get into a semantecs joust with you, as i take your comments as being purposely divisive

And once again if you haven't already heard, i do not take directions from anyone here

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I'm not being purposely divisive at all. Ignorance just means not knowing, and it's impossible to know everything. We were all ignorant of every single fact we know at a certain time. I'm ignorant of a zillion things. Of most things actually. I only know very little about the world.

Intelligence is measured by the ability to understand, more so than the ability to collect facts. Saying to someone that he isn't capable of grasping or understanding a concept is more insulting than saying that he doesn't know about it.

I made a suggestion "should", not a directive "will".

In my opinion, those who are divisive are those who attack others with a different opinion by calling them right wing shills. I get called this all the time, even though I never espoused one right wing idea on this site. And, what's more, even if I had it shouldn't matter because Occupy accepts people from all political persuasions. It even says this on the front of this website.

And, when you say that people here will eventually evolve as you did you are being divisive because you imply that you have evolved passed the other users here.

Every single debate causes a certain amount of division. This is unavoidable, and not necessarily bad. We aren't the Borg with one brain. What's important is that we stay on the target of defeating the 1%, and Obama is one of those people.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Plain and simple...you were baiting me in the hopes that i would go along with your derisive characterization of people on here

Your insincerity, hence your motives are extrememely suspect in my estimation

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Great song! DKA sent me this link once. I'll have to get a CD.

Thanks shadz!

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Cool & also ; ''A Virus Called Fear - Documentary Short Movie'' :

timendi causa est nescire ...

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

If enough people don't overcome their fears soon, we will have a lot more to fear later

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''If enough people don't overcome their fears soon, we will have a lot more to fear later'' - damn, that bears repeating Odin & ...

caveat ...

[-] 5 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

It still boggles my mind how things could have gotten this far, and why more people aren't outraged by it

Good link, thanks

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

The 'before birth to after death' propaganda has previously neutered and anaesthetised the US 99% and even those who purport to open information can fold in the face of The Corporations as attested to here :

BUT there are more and more reasons for hope :

The 99% struggle is hard and the struggle is long & generational but we persevere and seed and hope !!

And also know : ''If enough people don't overcome their fears soon, we will have a lot more to fear later'' !

at spes non fracta ...

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

I may be wrong, but I really think a sufficient number of Americans have finally awoken to the realization that they have to get engaged and stay engaged, at whatever level, by whatever means, until we turn this situation around. It may take time, but it will happen.

For young people especially disengagement really isn't an option if they want a future.

I'd like to see the list of names on this page grow until they need an extra server just to load it!

[-] -3 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

I want people in the street getting engaged! I don't want them wasting their time on this forum talking about it. Give me heads in the street, not signatures on this page.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks, I'll check it out as soon as I have a chance!

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks gsw - I think it is a vision we all share!

[-] 4 points by CamilleLouvet (19) from New Haven, CT 1 year ago

This movement will never die, it belongs to the people and the people themselves need to ensure its continuation! We must emancipate ourselves not just of capitialism, of greed, or of oppression, but of this most artificial happiness! This "happiness" found its nest in materialism: new tvs, phones, electronics, etc. Remove this new opium of today, let us see the wrong that is being done to our fellow citizens of the world, to our environment, to our virtue! We all must unite and say No More! No more shall you crucify mankind upon a cross of gold with one nail called greed, the other oppression, and the third Capitalism! Rally to eachother, our world needs it to survive! All power to the citizens!

Matthew AKA Camille Louvet

[-] 4 points by occupydenmark (4) from Hvidovre, Hovedstaden 1 year ago

Greetings from little Denmark. Occupy Denmark is very much alive and still growing day by day. We are standing every day in front of the parliament protesting wars and a dysfunctional democracy. In the next weekend we will be holding a big conference about the money system and alternative economics with 500 participants. http://www.facebook.com/OccupyDenmark

[-] 4 points by Renneye (4138) 1 year ago

Hello Denmark!

A truly global effort in the making!

Yes, alternative economics! My personal wish is "A People's Society". That we turn our backs to the systems of the 0.01% and form our own direct democracy, run 'by the people, for the people'!

Solidarity...to our fellow human beings!

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I want some drones. I want these pretenders to the throne to realise what it's really like to have an armed remote-controlled aircraft zooming around your house all day, threatening to blow you and your family off the face of the earth on a whim.

We can come up with some nice turns of phrase about it; like non-combatant casualties. Phukking hypocrites need it done to them.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (4138) 1 year ago

Don't get me going now! Lol!

We've all been there, Builder...me included. The best we can hope for is to get these apathetic, self-serving, fascigarchs in front of a tribunal, and then prison, where they belong.

Strategy, and Calm, mon chere. ~.^

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yeah, thanks Sweetheart.

You always know how to calm the savage beast within me. ;-)

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Amen to that.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Energy - Electricity - Global warming - fossil fuel pollution - is a world wide concern.

Have you heard of this addition to green energy creation and distribution?

Power Grid Energy "STORAGE". Check it out it is ( could Be ) a major step forward.

On the liquid metal battery - http://t.co/r8oTiD6akk

Information that should be circulated.

[-] 4 points by Wallaby (4) from Salem, OR 1 year ago

Recently Rebecca Sandoval of SEIU503 made a statement that I think points to the extreme impact of the today’s societal conditions:

“The problem isn't greedy public workers or greedy poor people who need some kind of help,” she says. “The problem is that the people at the top end are sucking all the profit out of the economy and making the rest of us fight for what's left.”

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're not supposed to notice those kinds of things around here.

There is a decidedly anti-union faction posting here with regularity.

I agree with her 100% .

http://www.labornotes.org/2013/05/seiu-wins-again-kaiser-militant-minority-grows

[-] -3 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

Unions are a bad idea. What we need is anarcho-syndicalism.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's only because you don't care fore workers.

They're too plebeian, for someone as self important as yourself.

And that makes you WRONG again.

Will you be changing your nameplate to better reflect reality?

Unions affect more change than you've ever dreamed of.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14988/the_right_to_call_in_sick/

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

That's only because you don't care fore workers.

Lol. I don't care for workers? Is that why I push for anarcho-syndicalism all the time. This gives workers more power and freedom than unions. You're too funny sometimes.

[-] 3 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

A very important part of anarcho-syndicalism is building strong unions..

[+] -4 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

If the workers own the business, they don't need unions because they are their own bosses.

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

So in other words, you push for AS without knowing what it is...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So in other words, you push for AS without knowing what it is...

That observation is quite true - an observation that is made all the time.

It "may" have read some material - but it's comprehension of what it has read - is really awful ( that would be a kind excuse - actually it is here to spin and misinform misdirect )

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

Jepp, that's my belief as well. He just sent me a PM, telling me he's been banned. Not very surprising.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Happens all the time - sometimes a dozen or so boots in the same day.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

He's this "Thrasymaque" guy. He just told me:


AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight said 6 minutes ago at May 19, 2013, 2:52 p.m. EST (delete)

I get banned everyday. I'm Thrasymaque.


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It calls itself that - but it is not really believed by most. Anyway it is a most persistent shill It will post something like this:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-easy-step-we-can-all-take-in-an-effort-to-creat/

Just to slip in a comment like:

We always bash the 1%, but there are millionaires who do great things with their money. I hate Bill Gates' computers, but he does help with his foundation. He's trying to eradicate some diseases. This is good. We need to be friends with these type of 1%ers with money and good hearts, and advocate for them to push for a non-scarcity society.

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

Of course rich people can do good things; the point is that the 1%ers shouldn't be allowed to have this wealth and power in the first place. They should be heavily taxed and eventually stripped from their power, no matter how charitable they are.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Another aspect is : ( comment from that thread )

Sure sure - give credit to those with a foundation - Wallmart gives to charity it also causes the need for charity , it does not give to charity what it withholds from it's employees. Corp(se)oRATions make sure to tell how they give to charity ( hey - ain't we gr8 ? ) while they are at the same time the reason for those charities to be needed.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

what's AS

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

anarcho-syndicalism

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

for years, spiders have been my solitary companions

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sorry, but your previous statement was an absolute lie.

One that is often perpetrated by the "right wing".

So why would you push such a bogus lie? A lie that flies in the face of OWS reality?

[-] -3 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

I'm not pushing a lie. I always supported anarcho-syndicalism from the very first days I was here. Here's an example of a very old post of mine:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-and-how-ows-must-change-or-onto-anarcho-syndic/

Can you provide an example where I push for right wing ideals? A post, a comment. Anything? Will you back up your accusations, or will you simply back away without providing evidence for your baseless claims?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sorry.

You missed the point.

As is your usual issue.

You yourself are a lie.

Disingenuous and a lie.

Everything about you is dishonest.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

But YOU are a lie!!

So yes.

You ARE pushing lies.

With almost every post.

You holler about name calling while, calling people names.

You holler about "logical fallacies" while refusing to call out the ones you yourself use.

You talk about solidarity, while running sock puppets.

That being said, I'm going to go research issues based in reality.

Bye for now

[-] -3 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

Guess you couldn't find evidence for your claims even though I defended my position. It's always like that with you. Empty accusations, empty insults. Just an old stubborn man.

If you ever find a comment or a post where I push right wing ideologies be sure to post it. I'd love to see that. And remember, Occupy is not about partisan politics. It's about playing from outside the system. You should stop accusing people of being right wingers, since anarchists accept anyone who wishes to participate in the revolution. That includes right-wingers, left-wingers, and people with no wings. It even includes Obama water boys like you.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Awwww, Isn't that cute.

Assumptive lies and name calling too, coupled with those logical fallacies you like to bitch about so much.

In fact, that's all that statement was.

Anti-union is a position that is STRONGLY right wing.

First they came for unions.

Every single time.

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

Favoring anarcho-syndicalism over unions is not right wing. And, who cares if it was. OWS is not anti right-wing, it's anti-government all together. Your obsessed with partisan politics because you fail to understand what OWS is all about.

I don't like unions because it fools the worker into thinking he has more power when he really doesn't. I don't like online petitions for the same reason, they just fool people into thinking they are making a change, when they really would make a change out in the streets.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Anti-union is a position that is STRONGLY right wing."

This is still a true statement.

NOTHING you said negated it.

You don't like unions, simply because you don't like workers.

It's why you never post a single thing about what's happening to them.

First they came for the unions.

Every single time.

[+] -4 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

I don't post much about unions in US because I'm not from US. This is an OWS forum, not a US political forum. Not all of us are interested in US politics. Some of us are occupiers and believe in anarchy. Some, like you are Obama water boys.

i am a worker. I don't hate them. There are many reasons why one might not favor unions. It isn't a simple thing. I already explained mine. It's a way to fool workers into thinking they have power when they don't. It's a type of golden cage. I want to free workers completely, not trick them into thinking they are.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You hate unions.

You've said nothing good about them at all.

As far as US?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/march-against-austerity-rome/

I like them everywhere.

All you anti-union folk made this one drop like a stone, while you insulted people.

You HATE them everywhere.

You're a known liar, so I can't believe a single thing you say about yourself, because that is the thing you lie the most about.

OWS supports and is supported by unions.

First they came for the unions.

Every single time.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Just sees what he(?) wants to see - time again for your theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's in your nameplate silly.

Always "right".

It shows too.

[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

I support the sharing of information that transpires on this site. Although some of the goals seem far fetched, it's nice to have a site that allows different points of view to be expressed and called to task. As long as everyone is given a voice, then this site is a success. May you all prosper and grow as you hit the streets and Occupy.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Yes, I think this site has been very valuable in keeping the idea of this movement alive. I can only be here a little now, but I thought it would be powerful to create a post where we all Show our solidarity.

Thanks.

[-] 3 points by christinedream7 (3) 1 year ago

Stand up. Don't let them tell you what your worth. Because to them you're only worth $300. This is what we all need to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boxoZhNIyxU&feature

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Very powerful, touching. Hang in there.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by buzz (3) from City of Brussels, Brussels 1 year ago

Dead ? only dead on dead muted newspaper on the hands of the 1% - don't expect the 1% to say we are alive, expect from YOU to never give up, to raise the level of hope, not from broken promise, but from inside, from building step by step the rising alternative possibilities that are being developped everywhere on all level of societies. Ideas can't die. Occupy may change, mutate, transform, wathever : the idea is never going to die, its only going to adapt, decentralize, and mature in a global inter-connected environnement, let's prove the dead muted papers of the 1% they are wrong, wrong in their inability to see it coming, wrong to project it has dead, wrong to calculate it by the amount of its donation accounts, wrong by its very old paradigm interpretation of "Occupy" .

Ideas only flourish, ideas don't die ! and this idea is a virus. a polymorph virus. you might even be infected by another version of "occupy" it does not matter, ideas just need to travel, grow, inspire from each other and mature to reverse the old status quo.

[-] 3 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

Elizabeth Warren introduced a bill in congress to give students the same interest rate as banks get, which is 0.75% right now.

However, the monthly minimum payment may still be a sticking point in my opinion. If the minimum is too low, people may overborrow because they can afford the monthly minimum payments at first. If the monthly minimum payment is too high, few will be able to afford it.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2946) 1 year ago

Without Occupy, I would feel the need for violent political action by the people. It has provided an outlet and a voice for the frustration that has been building even before the Bush years. Zero Representation = Revolution and when the WS thugs finally crash the dollar people like us will be the key to a peaceful resolution to the ensuing anarchy reminding people we have one common enemy that threw us into desperation and that we will not be the wolves that turn on eachother like WS is hoping for

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Yes, and this site is important for that very reason, to provide a voice and direction for those who are fed-up with systmatized exploitation.

PS Tr@shy's back, so we must be doing something right here. He/she/it's the major paid cognitive infiltrator hired to disrupt this site. So when he/she/it appears you know they don't like to see such a show of solidarity.

Thanks for making it anyway! We are all here, and we are not going away.

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

OOOOhhhhooo! "They" the big word from conspiracy theorists. Is that the same "they" spraying chemtrails and hiding aliens at area 51?

I support the real Occupy. The anarcho-communist Occupy. Not the pro-Obama Occupy you support. That's the only difference.

I don't support the idea of accusing people without evidence. That leads down a very dark road indeed.

I wish I was paid to post here. Unfortunately, I'm not. If you know the "they" you are talking about, and if you know "they" have job offerings to post here let me know. I'll gladly apply.

How many times have I seen nitwits on this site try to debate another point of view by saying the poster must be paid to post. Pathetic. Learn proper debating tactics and you'll grow.

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

Occupy may never die...

  • Occupy is a movement... like the Civil Rights & Anti Viet Nam War movements... were movements... the activities are as much of a discovery process as it is an educational process... topics and issues may appear incoherent and unclear to those not involved because the discussions are dynamic... they change as consensus or agreements are reached... the actions move the mindsets of the overall people as much as they move the mindsets of those who participate...
  • We must see how hundreds if not thousands of new Activist sites and organizations have been born because of this movement? ...
  • We must understand that OccupyWallStreet has one primary goal? ... "Get the money Out of Politics"... and that is a tough goal....
  • The discussions here, at the Occupations and other internet sites, http://occupywallst.org/infotent/ are trying to work that problem... and are gaining ground....
  • Consensus is building for Direct Democracy, Alternative Banking, State and Local government participation, a "People's Veto" and much more....
  • It is the MSM that is not keeping up....
  • I hope that soon ... OccupyDC's stated goal will be to "Get the money Out of War" ...

BradB

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks, Brad!

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[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3316) 1 year ago

Re. OWS' aims - if you have any questions, then please see - http://occupywallst.org/forum/have-you-seen-the-film-inside-job-if-not-why-not-i/ and http://www.nationofchange.org/big-bank-immunity-when-do-we-crack-down-wall-street-1363098432 Never, Ever Give Up on the 99%! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Well, I'm glad you showed up to question our aims. That's what this site has been all about! LOL!

[-] 2 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

It's not dead until you say it's dead. That said, there are a lot of things that I see that are very discouraging. I saw one Occupier letting himself get 'belittled' on Sean Hannity when asked what he did for a living and why he spent so much time for this cause instead of looking for a job. He went on the defensive, talking about a part time job here and there and not being able to find legitimate work. Instead, I would've asked Hannity what he does for a living. He's a harmful detriment to our society who just blabs his mouth daily about complete bullshit. I can do that. Can't you? I saw another guy with a mic from a very ill-named 'Reason(????)TV' asking people at a NY gathering why they hated capitalism. I'll have to say, the answers were not that good. It gave credibility to the propaganda of the 1% instead of giving people a reason to be in that park. Occupy has got to quit shooting itself in the foot. If you don't have ready answer for one of these assholes, just give a question to the question or don't answer. I would've said to the interviewer, "what capitalism?. just the fact that there's a 1% and a 99% sort of begs that question, doesn't it?" Don't go in front of a mic to make an ass of yourself. Shoot these people down. They RICHLY deserve it. That's the message; There is no capitalism, there is a small group paying our government, not in taxes, we do that. No, they pay to RIG THE GAME. Ask the interviewer how much he'd enjoy a game of hockey if the other side had no legs? Would he be beside himself with any victory? Would it be a game worth having? If so, then you'll stand out there in the park with your sign. Tell him you'll be more inclined to think like Ted Nugent when a deer learns to shoot a crossbow.

[-] 2 points by occupycampbellco (34) from Newport, KY 1 year ago

Time for Occupy to step things up.

[-] 2 points by BeCareful (2) 1 year ago

With you, people, to occupy wall street until reason comes back. They have to be stopped.

[-] 2 points by DeeShanger (2) from Toronto, ON 1 year ago

Yarrrr!!! - www.livestream.com/occupytoronto in dee hus. Going strong now 19months & counting. Yarrrr!!!

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

The words to a song come to mind:

"Somewhere out on that horizon, Out beyond the neon lights, I know there must be something better, but there's no where else in sight"

I like to believe the spirit of Occupy that i originally felt ties me with many others who believe there must be something better, and we have to find it.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks, well said.

[-] 1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

I'm here. What's the plan? How do we get started? I have 2 hours a day to give to OWS? How should I use them? What does OWS need that it doesn't already have?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

I'm bringing this back up because I think there are people who don't want this to be at the top - who don't want to see a real show of numbers here.

This is a simple show of numbers. If you agree with this movement, please sign your username. There's power in numbers.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3429) 1 year ago

I believe in the perfectibility of the common people. I believe in the truth which shall force the hand of justice to set all free. I believe in the peace that shall come from the human spirit vanquishing the venal systems founded on corrupted profit and greed. May the truth be revealed to all in due time.

grapes

[-] 3 points by Renneye (4138) 1 year ago

Amen.

&...a 'People's Society'

Renneye

[-] 2 points by grapes (3429) 1 year ago

Yes, may the People's Society rise in all its glory from the ash of the venal systems.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

And thank you Renneye!

Take that, Wall Street! Take that plutocrats! You hand has been called - not just in America, but globally, and your days are numbered.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Average Joe

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks for signing on here. In the end there is more that unites us all than divides any of us.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Without a doubt. We are all in this together.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks, and thanks for the link.

This movement is really just begining. It is an idea that's time has come. The world cannot be ruled forever by the profit motive. That is a recipe for global suicide.

The time has come.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - people are learning how to find real information ( on the internet ) and are getting much better at sharing/circulating it and making protest action opportunities for on the street as well as on the net.

"People" over profits.

GREED THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks again. I really do believe this is a movement whose time has come. I don't mean to say it will be swift or easy, but I think we will all transform the world. This movement is historic, and it's been a privilige to be one small part of it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It has gotten way past the point where the average person can look away - it "is" do or die time. And yes it will take an enormous effort and will take time - but the doing starts now.

This movement is historic, and it's been a privilige to be one small part of it.

It "is" good to be one of those speaking out.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3316) 1 year ago

'A New Direction For Occupy in 2013'? - http://www.nationofchange.org/new-direction-occupy-2013-1357400222 'Everything Must Be Questioned'! Never Give Up On The 99%! Go Occupy! Solidarity :)

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Never give up! You said it!

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3316) 1 year ago

'A New Direction For Occupy in 2013'? - http://www.nationofchange.org/new-direction-occupy-2013-1357400222 'Everything Must Be Questioned'! Never Give Up On The 99%! Go Occupy! Solidarityx2

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What?

I support OWS. I do not support multiple ID trolls. If you cannot manage to use one ID to get your message across then you don't have a message. I do not support Article V crap. I do not support backing someone in an election. I have no intention of supporting a foundation or purchasing a lobbyist.

[-] 1 points by eylaf (1) from Chalagnac, آكيتين 1 year ago

Dear all, i am a graduate student in one of the French universities. I am working on a research about the slogans of Wallstreet and the slogans of the Syrian Revolution at the first 6 monts of it. Can i be connected with an activist from Wallstreet?? I would love to hear more from u.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Don't listen to anything TheLoneWolf says. He's been here for ever under a hundred different names, and is the #1, or #2, or #3 (well, you get my point) enemy of this movement on this forum.

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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Gnomunny . . .

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you, gnomunny!

Damn it, despite our differences, we are all here TOGETHER, for a reason!!!

Let's make them look at a list of our names!!!

All our names, regardless of those things that might otherwise divide us!!!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Agreed.

When I log on tomorrow, I'd like to see this list much fuller.

But until then, . . . good night GK.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Good Night.

[-] 1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

I have been supporting OWS from the beginning, but have been disillusioned by the website and the lack of criticism towards OWS. OWS is a broad ideology which can be understood from many viewpoints. Unfortunately, this website has been controlled by a few who pertain to support OWS but attack all those who do not agree with their viewpoint. This has rendered this website essentially useless. No discussion can be had here. The only thing that is accepted is a viewpoint similar to the few who control this place by always being here. For example, if you believe that online petitions are a waste of time, you will be called a shill or a right winger by the prosecutors of this site. In a nutshell, this place does not represent OWS, it represents what DKAtoday, shooz, GF, and a few others believe is OWS. Anything else is labeled right winger shills.

The good news is that OWS is very much alive, just not here. This place is dead. There are all kinds of affinity groups you can participate in, and there are still events like MayDay. Since I moved back to my homeland, I participate in these real ground activities. You end up doing something tangible, real. This place is just a waste of time. A lot of talk in the air.

Ideally, there would be a Bridge to the Ground, so Internet users could participate in a tangible way with activities on the ground, but it seems the people here are not interested in that idea. A shame really. I think most users here are simply addicted to the forum. They don't really want to have a chance to make real efforts and changes for OWS. They want to come here and waste time writing comments, and posts. If you gave them a chance to really make a difference, they probably wouldn't take it.

Thrasymaque

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If you are who claim to be the only thing you EVER supported was your own ego.

YOU almost singlehandedly ruined this site, with your bots, sock puppets and absolute BULLSHIT.

In fact you have an incredible amount of gall to claim otherwise.

I guess you're just proud of your work, eh?

.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Thanks for stopping by shooz!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's you??

Why would you pretend to be trashy?

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

No, I was just thanking you for stopping by the post. I have not and will never pretend to be trashy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Oh good. I was worried there for a moment.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Jesus, so was I!

It can get pretty weird around here with all the sock puppets - I mean at times I've gotton so screwed up I didn't know if I knew who anybody really was anymore. I could understand any level of confusion!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yes, it seems like every time ALEC begins to take the top of the forum, bots and jerks come out to drive it back down.

Usually they are successful, as they were this time.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

That might give us a clue as to who their puppet masters are. LOL

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

hehehe ... good one

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, by all means Thras-wanna-be, go where the action is.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Thras wanna be? Are you trying to start more conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Dream on, pathetic little Shyster.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Are you in kindergarten? What's up with the childish confrontational attitude and lame insults you learned in the sandbox? Grow up.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You grow the fuck up, you self centered little bitch.

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[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Isn't this what you like?

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

This is a serious site. Why taint its reputation with a foul mouth and easy insults? Being gratuitous won't get you anywhere. OWS needs intellectuals. Not angry girls on PMS who swear at all the viewpoints they don't agree with. Learn the art of proper debate. You're old enough to leave the kindergarten walls.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No, it was a serious website. Although, it is tough to maintain it with the little conspiracy theorists and the multiple ID trolls.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

The only trolls are the people who swear and use improper forms of debating. Nothing wrong with viewpoints that differ. Adults use arguments against those. The fastest way to make a site look like its being used by a bunch of 12 year olds is to write like 12 year olds. Swearing and using sandbox insults just make all of us look like kindergarteners. It really doesn't help our cause at all.

Multiple IDs are fine. Who cares who writes what. Only ideas matter. Multiple IDs have become popular here because of the intense censorship of ideas. Unfortunately, gratuitous childish insults aren't censored. Only ideas and viewpoints that OWS activists are scared of hearing. That renders OWS inflexible.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

BS. If you can't get your message out with one ID then you don't have a message to give. Nobody has any problem with view points that differ. You seem to have a need to create IDs+ simply to either create your own arguments OR to pat yourself on the back to give support. Somewhere down the line you came to see this as honorable. Your constant deception is suspect in and of itself.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

BS. If you can't get your message out with one ID then you don't have a message to give.

False. It's impossible to give a message when you get censored. Ironically, OWS functions in the same way. If the government kicks them out of a park they don't give up, then go out again.

I only change IDs if I get banned.

You can evict me, but you can't evict an idea. (slogan from OWS)

Your constant deception is suspect in and of itself.

Please with your conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. Stop with the appeal to motive logical fallacies. Only ideas matter. Argue the ideas, stop the ad hominem. It's lame and old.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

With my conspiracy mumbo jumbo....

You don't have a message.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

People note no mumbo jumbo required.

You don't have a message.

Is what it is.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (14923) 15 minutes ago

With my conspiracy mumbo jumbo....

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[-] -2 points by TheNorthern (-7) from Hollister, CA 1 year ago

You bring up a good point Wofie, what is the OWS message besides tax the rich and redistribute it to everybody else?

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Help each other in socialist or communist fashion. That's essentially the main message. We all need to help each other in the world and work together. Corporations and people in the 1% generally do not do this. They work to make profit for themselves. Socialism or communism instead of capitalism is the message. At it's core, it's anarcho-syndicalism.

[-] 0 points by TheNorthern (-7) from Hollister, CA 1 year ago

So like the Soviet Union or Cuba did?

[-] -1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

No, anarchy is people leading themselves. No dictators. Anarcho-communism is not the same as communism. Try like Spain in the 30's.

[-] 1 points by TheNorthern (-7) from Hollister, CA 1 year ago

Well that wasn't very successful. What evidence do you have that a socialistic system will work as it hasn't everywhere it has been tried. It cannot allocate goods properly.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

10 points in 30 minutes, in the middle of the night?

Can't resist praising yourself, can you tr@shy?

Man, you really are one strange person.

PS I know it is you, with your bots, who has been controlling the karma scores here almost from the beginning.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I support occupy wall street.

Been here from the start.

And yeah, ten points is bizzaro. Let it go Thrasy.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Hey Builder, thanks for putting in the POV from Down Under! Always good to hear what you have to say!

[+] -5 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

10 points is bizarre, but I have nothing to do with it. Really. Someone somewhere must have used a bot or many usernames to vote that up, but I have no idea who. I don't care about points. It's a waste of time, just like this site that I barely use anymore.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

It wasn't me my friend. I'd say it was you to try and make me look bad, but I don't blame others without proof. If you want to accuse me, you should first check with the moderators. They'll be able to tell me I had nothing at all to do with it. And, who really cares about points. Only ideas matter.

Keep the ad hominem coming. When you have time, try replying with real arguments.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Ideas, discussion, debate, are dead?

No, this place has been the intellectual and spiritual heart of this movement - the place that is unwilling to let the sacrifice of those who held Zucotti Park fade away and die.

You have always just been a self-serving sophist, with your endless promotion of your "bridge to the ground," in complete denial of the great alliances that must be formed to give this movement lasting relevence.

It is here that strategy for this movement has been formed, and your endless attempts on this forum to steer this movement towards your own ends speak more loudly than words to its importance.

[+] -4 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

No, this place has been the intellectual and spiritual heart of this movement - the place that is unwilling to let the sacrifice of those who held Zucotti Park fade away and die.

If you think that, it's because you don't know OWS and haven't been where the real action is. The people who were at Zuccotti Park (yes, it's Zuccotti Park, not Zucotti Park) in the beginning don't even use this site. They never have. Get real.

You have always just been a self-serving sophist, with your endless promotion of your "bridge to the ground," in complete denial of the great alliances that must be formed to give this movement lasting relevence.

That makes no sense. The Bridge to the Ground is the way to create alliances. The people who started OWS like Jart and other anarchists have also talked about it. And, how in the world is wanting to build a Bridge to the Ground self-serving? It's just an idea for a community driven forum that would be connected to affinity groups. Everyone could work to build the forum, help connect it to the ground, and run it. Nothing self-serving about that.

It is here that strategy for this movement has been formed

WTF? No strategies were formed here. The people that organized and still organize OWS events don't even look at this site.


Dude, what's the point of living a delusion. There's nothing wrong in admitting the truth. This site does not help OWS in any way shape or form. It's a complete waste of time. OWS exists in the streets and the people who take part don't come on this site. OWS is strong on the ground where it began and where it will end.

The only way to make Internet users take part in OWS and affect real change is to connect them to the ground.

Your delusions only hurt yourself and OWS. It could be so much more if you awoke from your deep sleep and looked at what is really happening.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

For a he/she/it who thinks this site is useless you sure have spent enough time trying to disrupt it with your bots and probably 100 sock puppets. At one point it must have been your full time job!

In fact you had enough to force me off this site at one point. I had to create a new username just to log on - don't know quite how you managed that.

Anyway, please, practice your sophistry somewhere else.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well said.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

You left the site four times on your own accord, each time giving a lengthy farewell. Each time, after the users gave you attention and pleas to stay, you recanted your decision a few days later. Simple cries for attention. I had nothing to do with your login problems and your need to change usernames. Drop the conspiracy theories fantasy boy.

[-] 1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

I'm for Debt Suspension Rights for main street over all other agendas because it would be the great equalizer that is presently missing.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Great, thanks for signing. I just want this post to be a place where people unhappy with the present condition of things, and who support this movement in principle, can sign our names and let our numbers be SEEN. Let's just say it's a roll call here because there's power in numbers.

There is a power in that, in just seeing how many of us there are.

This may take awhile but I think it will be worth it.

All those in favor of this movement please simply sign and let your numbers be seen here . . .

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[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Come on folks, can't you see it?

When our founding fathers signed their names to the Declaration of Independence those names had power.

If we here sign our names, even if they are not our names in life, but simply our usernames on this forum, those signatures still have power.

They are trying to negate us, so let our numbers be seen here.

That is the essence of this movement; that is the most basic essense of solidarity, to stand up and be counted.

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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

You presumptuous bastard. How do you know what people here do, or have done. Do you have some crystal ball, whereby you can see into people's lives?

Further, your incessant attempt to point out the uselessness of this site, as I said before, is conradicted completely by your (now renewed) efforts to undermine it. If you believed that you wouldn't be here.

You are through. Everybody here has seen through you, to the soulless hell you harbor inside you.

Nothing you say can be given one grain of credence.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Have you ever participated in an OWS activity on the ground?

The answer is no.

Take up my challenge: http://occupywallst.org/forum/take-it-to-the-street-challenge-be-an-activist-for/

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

You don't know the answer to anything, except how to be a self-centered, presumptuous, condescending, ego-driven asshole.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

I know you haven't participated to an OWS event.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

No you don't. You're wrong about that as well as everything else.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Name one thing this site is useful for? One way it helped OWS?

I think it hurts OWS. A lot actually. It's bad press. It shows what OWS is not about. Just people fighting. People like GF insulting others with swear words. I'm ashamed to be an OWS supporter and have people come here and think this is what OWS is all about.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Your contributions here, like the pictures you just posted are the biggest turn-off on this site, and you know it. But as usual you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

I won't bother responding to any more of your ceaseless flow of verbal diarrhea.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Essentially, you can't think of one way in which this site helps OWS.

The pictures should turn you off. They represent the American people.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2729) 1 year ago

This isn't what Ows is about? It's about all we've got to unite us. It can give a voice, a message, information.

It can encourage people to wake up get informed, do something differently, see world differently. It lets all people in, to speak their piece.

Isn't that part of Ows. If we can't occupy physical space, we can occupy airwaves and ideas.

It keeps a little light on the issues. Sure there's heated debate and differences, which mirrors society.

This forum can unite people and build understanding, so that's good for Ows. It allows anyone to be involved on a test run before getting more directly involved.

I still to ground concept.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

GypsyKing!

[-] -3 points by highlander21 (-46) 1 year ago

Highlander1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. And I will keep coming back. I do not agree with the state of the system and I do not agree with a lot the the viewpoints on this site. I sometimes feel like the Ukraine in WWII, who fought both the Nazis and the Soviet Union.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

At least you are expressing that feeling. You would be surprized at the level of frustration out there right now. Middleage suicide is at an all time high. Too many people just bottle it in.

At least you let them know you're angry!

I'l tell you something else too - the fuckers are going to pay a price for their attempts to negate us.

Negation, negation, negation. No. No, No . . . well fuck them!

Anger spreads.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

The cognitive infiltration and economic origins of ows are getting in the way of the 99% trying to unify on strategy to meet demands.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2729) 1 year ago

70 percent of people realize we are on wrong path.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

Only 8 percent thinks their congress person listens to constituents http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2013/8_say_average_member_of_congress_listens_to_constituents_most

And more people don't believe electoral systems are fair http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2013/40_think_u_s_elections_are_fair_41_do_not

The government won't let the people get together to figure out a strategy, through crack down on occupy. We should reignite occupy, even if just in day hours in parks, to strategize aeffective plans and maintain pressure.

The web doesn't seem to be a good strategy designer either.

I was sure someone would design apps to unite the people in a strategies to get back the government from out of touch elites.

http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/mailbag/buzz-davis-usa-going-pell-mell-in-wrong-direction/article_edcac3a0-6782-5338-a26f-e9dff3f907c1.html

I don't think the web wil unite people effectively. It needs to be live people joining something with tangible plans of action.

If not in political realm, what?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

I think you have clearly stated the question for this movement at this juncture. I don't see it being resolved, in spite of a number of good ideas being put forward.

We seem to have lost our cohesion, and our ability to act in a concerted manner. The will is there, but the mechanisms have been disrupted.

I feel I've done what I could to circumvent that, as have many others, but it seems we have been unable to do so, at least for the moment.

I thought of this thread itself as being potentially powerful. If we could come together even in this small way for a show of solidarity, but so far the result has been less than I hoped.

I'm moving on to other avenues of political action and personal growth right now, as well as spending a lot of time on the water fishing for trevalley.

I will always be out there, if this movement can get it's focus back.

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

The problem is people like you who always threaten to leave the forum. What is it now, the fourth or fifth time you threaten us with your departure. We shed tears, you get attention, then you come back.

What you don't realize is that this forum does not help Occupy in any form what so ever. It's just a few users preaching to the choir and being trolled by a few OWS non-believers. What does this accomplish in reality. Nothing. There's no actions that come from this forum. Just talk in the wind.

What we need is for people like yourself who care about OWS to go out in the streets and start protesting or doing real life actions to help out. If you don't have an Occupy front in your city or village, start one. Change comes in the streets, not on some forum with 20 regular users.

The other thing we need is a Bridge to the Ground. A website where people who can't be active in the streets can still help from their own homes by writing articles, doing posters, exchanging and working on ideas, etc... But, these things must be linked to the ground so that what is being accomplished on this website can be turned into real actions by affinity groups.

This website never worked out because it is not connected to the ground. That's why people here don't care about proper debate. They have no hope that what they write will be heard by Occupiers out in the street. The moderators on this forum don't even exchange ideas with us. Jart and Zoe are on the ground, but they ignore us. This speaks volumes.

You will refute this on the grounds that I am a right-wing troll. That's fine. But, deep down inside you know I'm absolutely right. And, for the record, I support socialism in practice, and anarchy in theory.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

You're a really weird, really obsessed person.

I hope you get some therapy.

[+] -4 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

I explain exactly what's wrong with this site, and do so in detail, and all you can do is retort an ad hominem. In a nutshell, this is what this website has become. One person shares an idea, and the others reply with name calling. It's lame and leads to nowhere.

[+] -4 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

Ad hominem which contributes zero to the discussion. Perhaps you should do what you threatened for the fifth time and take a break from the forum. We'll cry, say "No, please don't leave", you'll feel better, then in a few days time you can come back as usual.

How ironic that one would make a call for solidarity, then threaten to quite the forum a few days later. I'm not sure who needs help. Perhaps the one who constantly changes his mind needs help. I'm pretty solid with my beliefs. I'm not here, then there, then back again.

Instability of thought is not a good sign in a revolutionary.

Perhaps this forum would be better if people such as yourself learned to debate properly, instead of constantly attacking those with differing views. Name calling and baseless accusations are what children do.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Constituents don't/can't listen to constituents, why would any official have to show accountability to that? I refer to those that might want to do so.

Free speech is abridged. ART5'ers have put together a site, and it works with law, process.

http://articlev.org

We just have to show that proper prior preparation for article V is everything because ART5 depends on constitutional intent. Establishing logical priorities is going to be a prime target for an effectively unified group.

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWiIIBeAlwaysRight (-96) 1 year ago

Most OWS supporters left because this forum has become yet another site for US politics. It's not about Occupy anymore. It has been hijacked by people from moveon.org who want Occupy to be an extension of the democrat party. These people constantly attack anyone who it anti-establishement, anti-Obama, etc... like all OWS supporters should be by calling them right-wingers. Anarchists are not right-wingers. That's what these people fail to understand.

Occupy is alive an OWS supporters do discuss issues on the web. They just don't do it here because this is a political site. Go on reedit, you'll find a lot of OWS supporters. But, don't bring in your pro-Obama US political babble. They aren't interested in that.

[-] -2 points by highlander21 (-46) 1 year ago

How can you be losing the upper hand when you ban dissenting opinions?

[+] -4 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Good point. They even ban opinions that support OWS if they don't have the correct viewpoint. For some reason marxists and communists cannot separate themselves from censorship. It's sad because they are otherwise sound political theories.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 1 year ago

Mindfuck central.