Forum Post: Take it to the Street Challenge - Be an Activist for One Day
Posted 10 years ago on May 8, 2013, 6:36 p.m. EST by TheLoneWolf
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Take one day off this site to do some real action for OWS. Paint a sign that read an OWS slogan and go out and protest! There's no one else in your little town that is protesting OWS? So What! Be the first. Take your sign and walk. Others will join.
Be an Activist for One day.
It's not because you're old and retired that you can't help OWS in a tangible way. If you're retired, then you have time! Imagine if you spent your time in the street instead of this website! I'm looking at you heavy users. Wow! What a real impact you could have!
good idea
Excellent thought !
Consider closely that : ''Any country whose population has been trained to just accept the government’s word and to shun those who question it is a country without liberty in its future or truth in its present due to the lies in its past !!!'' from :
Also consider your : ''Facepalm. I feel bad for you man. Learn about science. You're deluded. It's dangerous to feed so much *thrash to your mind.'' from :
LOLOLOL & of course you'll edit your bumptious comment retrospectively (as I will push mine, lol) but I have captured and repeated your words here verbatim in all their Freudian glory, for posterity - lololol.
Re. above {''Learn about science''} accede that all of present day physics - which underpins ALL of our modern science, can only explain ~15% of the observable universe due the the unquantifiable 'presence' of 'Dark Matter & Dark Energy'. Ergo, ALL modern science is a work in progress though of course facts, experiments, evidence & theories based upon these - take precedence, Evolution, AGW, etc. etc., qed*.
However, there does come a point perhaps where 'physics' and 'metaphysics' - merge and meld within the ambit of 'consciousness and self-aware sentience' and as such Trashy, are you and your functional but warped brain really composed of mostly 'Dark Matter' and is your clearly very self-absorbed 'sentient consciousness', mainly imbued with a deceptive, duplicitous, dubious and deluded 'Dark Energy' ? LOL !
fiat lux et nosce te ipsum ...
What's on your mind shadz ?
Lol !!! Love, Sex, Death, Liberty, Equality, Justice & Peace !! Just like anyone else ! But right now this :
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/01/1205938/-WE-NEVER-FORGET-Aminul-Islam-Labor-Martyr-of-Bangladesh .
ad iudicium ...
We have been conditioned to ignore the abuses to people in far-off lands that make so much of what we buy
And in so doing we are losing our humanity
~Odin~
Sigh. Ain't that the sad truth ? As luck, coincidence and karma would have it, I just replied to you with links, on not unconnected matters on another thread - but we may yet usurp this one too, lol :
Solidarity @ Workers Everywhere - we have nothing to lose but our chains ;-)
per aspera ad astra ...
"Lose...our chains" while regaining our 'humanity.'
Down with inhumane, unfettered capitalism...&...Solidarity with Workers everywhere
~Odin~
''Hang Together or Hang Separately : The Battle Against Austerity'' :
''The piecemeal fight against shrink-the-government policies is unworkable; we need comprehensive solutions to achieve prosperity for all. To make such an agenda a reality, the American people will need to stick together in pursuit of a Congress, government, and economy that effectively represent and benefit them.'' from ;
"Local Fights Against Austerity Are Growing Across the US'' :
"These local struggles and many more are a confirmation that austerity in the U.S. will be met with a fight. Though they are disconnected in terms of their organizing, they are a response to a national problem. This wave of local grassroots organizing shows the potential exists to galvanize a national movement against austerity.'' from ;
99% Solidarity ! Resistance Is Fertile !!
vox populi, vox Dei ...
Although I 'feel' for all the vicitms of these austerity measures, I couldn't help smiling in knowing that all the pain these people are and will be suffering is causing grass-roots movements to form, and create alliances
They are finally realizing that there is strength in UNITY......& then comes a feeling of EMPOWERMENT
Like I implied to another poster recently this coalition building is exactly what happened after the Triangle Fire tragedy in the early 20th century
It is where reformers, radicals, community groups, unions, and churches put aside their differences for the greater goal of then and now....putting an end to the Gilded Age
Or another way to put it is; The more people this corrupt system pisses people off, the closer we will be geting to the 'critical mass' we need to tell them to FUCK OFF
In any event Rose Schneiderman's words ring as true today as they did in 1911; ..."I know from my experience it is up to the working people to save themselves. The only way they can save themselves is by a strong working class movement."
Check out the eyes of this woman who was short in stature, but huge in 'heart'...that's determination
http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/primary/testimonials/ootss_roseschneiderman.html
~Odin~
''This is not the first time girls have been burned alive in the city. Every week I must learn of the untimely death of one of my sister workers. Every year thousands of us are maimed. The life of men and women is so cheap and property is so sacred. There are so many of us for one job it matters little if 146 of us are burned to death.'' from your very powerful link re. Rose Shneiderman. Thus in compliment, I link to :
I know little hafita will like that globe and I see [ http://occupywallst.org/article/take-back-commons-mayday/#comment-968556 ] that you're planning on teaching history, geography and sociology all in one lesson. Nice. Out of tiny acorns do mighty oaks emerge and the seed will not fall far from the tree it'd seem. So again, safe journey out and happy homeward leg too and therefore on your safe return, something to reflect upon in the light of your comment above :
per aspera ad astra ...
I feel you, it is so bad for foreign workers in the third world that I some times feel cheap advocating for better rates of pay for working class Americans.
Thanks. We can blame the corrupt system for getting us to this point in history, but if we do nothing in the face of human misery...we then have to look at ourselves
What those poor people are going through in far-off lands is the same as what many of the workers here went through in the early 20th century
And it will take the same kind of grass-roots movement/coalition building today as it took then, for both of us to get out the clutches of neoliberalism which has seized the people of the world,
When you have time, this is a beautiful, sad and inspiring doc (53 mins) to watch;
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/triangle/player/
Then check out the March 26th news item that was on here. The big difference though between then and now is we had an independent MSM then. Hence we didn't have a population that had become anesthetized to human suffering
http://occupywallst.org/article/triangle-fire-lessons-learned/
Then read Rose Schneiderman's concise, very chastizing speech that she gave at the old Metropolitan Opera House
http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/primary/testimonials/ootss_roseschneiderman.html
Solidarity.....~Odin~
You 're a very busy person.
Yep, but as I'm taking the day off today, not so busy as to not pass you this :
No doubt this counts as ''conspiracy theory'' in your estimation, with which I too could even find myself concurring, however the very real questions would still remain as to who is doing the 'conspiring' ? & ... To what ends ? Why ? and of course ... cui bono ?
One further question could be :
fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ...
Wars can't go on forever.. There will be peace ..
''Today there’s an elephant in the room : a huge, yet ignored, issue that largely explains why Social Security is now on the chopping block. And why other industrialized countries have free college education and universal healthcare, but we don’t. It’s arguably our country’s biggest problem – a problem that Martin Luther King Jr. focused on before he was assassinated 45 years ago, and has only worsened since then (which was the height of the Vietnam War). That problem is U.S. militarism and perpetual war.'' from :
''The future of American foreign policy and the peace of the world lie in the hands of American citizens and the peoples of the world - not the bureaucrats, legislators, judges, lobbyist, think-tanks, professors, and self-styled experts who inhabit Washington, D.C., New York City, and Cambridge, Massachusetts. Civil resistance is the way to go!'' from :
"One of the best decisions the US ever made was to commemorate King's birthday as a national holiday. He's as close to a prophet as American history offers. But the distance between the veneration expressed for him and the principles he espoused seems to grow every year. When it comes to King's views on US militarism, nothing more potently illustrates that distance than the use of King's holiday to re-inaugurate the 44th president." from :
fiat pax ...
How do you find this stuff .. so plentiful !
Do you have anything on - success of war -?
UK, USA, USSR & allies had a pretty big ''success'' starting some 70 years ago, against 'Fascism, Militarism, Imperialism & Hegemonic Cruelty' but then look how things have now panned out since :
''Former US Drone Pilot On The Effects Of Killing By Remote Control'' (NPR Audio) : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34884.htm ;
''Karzai Reveals US Plan for Permanent Afghanistan Bases'', by Bill Van Auken : http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/11/afgh-m11.html ;
''Are the FBI and IRS Secretly Reading Your Email Without a Warrant ?'' by Amy Goodman & Juan Gonzalez : http://truth-out.org/news/item/16299-are-the-fbi-and-irs-secretly-reading-your-email-without-a-warrant ;
''Guantánamo Is Not An Anomaly - Prisoners In The US Are Force-Fed Every Day'', by Ann Neumann : http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-anomaly-prisoners-in-the-us-are-force-fed-every-day/ ;
And Very Alarmingly : http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/ .
e tenebris, lux ...
"Be an Activist for One Day."
OK.....;-)
~Odin~
Not a chance, Odin.
You're not getting off that easy!
Oh...come on g. I'm fragile...lol
~Odin~
Fragile, hehehe. How's that hernia, by the way? ;-)
No problems...quick recovery, no pain meds needed. I don't think i would have had it done if i had seen the operation on YouTube that i saw afterward
One of my friend's daughters, who I enjoy a teasing & have a fun adversarial relationship with seemed to take great delight in viewing it over and over again while i was still in pain
I accused her of taking delight in my still then seemingly precarious situation, saying that i had never seen her so happy...lol
~Odin~
That's great about not needing those pain meds, but if you have the script already, it might be a good idea to keep them in the medicine cabinet for a possible future need. I imagine an unopened bottle would probably keep its potency for a few years.
And you always seem to have good anecdotes. I don't blame you a bit for not viewing that YT clip. I can take a little pain here and there, and the blood at times, but I have a problem with watching operations. They don't make me queasy, but they certainly make me wince.
Pussy.
Arrrgh!
~.^
I thought about having the prescription filled out, but I had quite a few left from a couple of years ago when I had a dislocated shoulder. I took one or two only then.
One of my crazy friends would have loved them, and another older friend who has back problems and is already on them on a limited basis would have liked them in reserve, but knowing how addictive they are, i was reluctant to do so
On another note...3 points for that previous comment?? Gee I write long-winded, thoughtful comments, and i get -3!...lol
~Odin~
A sign, only a sign? That ain't going to do anything.
At the very least go out, buy a few cans of spray paint, and make some graffiti on some 1%er's space.
I don't want to promote illegal activities, but that is a good idea.
I'm not into illegal activities either (tell that to the government), but breaking the law (unfair law) is in essence the point.
Run and hide by fucking with the post because you can't defend your position?
Not a problem.
It can be finished here.
It is apparent that you have difficulty comprehending the english language.
Take your own advice = Ask a scientist. As you have no clue.
Fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact ... clarifying the fundamental nature of scientific fact. ... defined by the means and assumptions used to ...
Excerpt:
Fact in science
Further information: scientific method and philosophy of science
Just as in philosophy, the scientific concept of fact sometimes referred to as empirical evidence is central to building scientific theories and fundamental questions regarding the natural phenomena of Nature, scientific method, scope and validity of scientific reasoning.
In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]
Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation (details below). Also, rigorous scientific use of the term "fact" is careful to distinguish: 1) states of affairs in the external world; from 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21]
In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]
Understand?
Maybe this will help - take it one section at a time - make sure you comprehend what you are reading in the 1st section before moving on to the 2nd section (ask someone for help if you need it ).
In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation,
in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.
Is [ in contrast ] what is throwing you for a loop?
Maybe you should study each word so that you are familiar with them - prior to trying to understand a concept explained/described/laid-out by them when they are used together.
Another salient point:
Hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Excerpt:
The adjective hypothetical, meaning "having the nature of a hypothesis", or "being assumed to exist as an immediate consequence of a hypothesis", can refer to any of these meanings of the term "hypothesis".
Theory | Define Theory at Dictionary.com
Excerpt:
the·o·ry [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA noun, plural the·o·ries. 1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine. 2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience
A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.
Fact - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact the quality of being actual : actuality . 4. a : something that has actual existence ...
Actual - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actual ac·tu·al. adjective \ˈak-ch(ə-w)əl, -sh(ə-w)əl; -chü-əl, -shü-. Definition of ACTUAL. 1. obsolete : active. 2. a : existing in act and not merely potentially. b : existing ...
existing - definition of existing by the Free Online Dictionary ... www.thefreedictionary.com/existing
intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists. 1. To have actual being; be real. 2. To have life; live: one of the worst actors that ever existed. 3. To live at a minimal level; ...
If you need more help - I suggest that you should go back to school - start over in the 1st grade - as you seem to lack basic understanding.
Understanding - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ... www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/understanding a : the power of comprehending; especially : the capacity to apprehend general relations of particulars. b : the power to make experience intelligible by applying ...
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It's a shame you're such an illiterate.
A fact in science is a simple thing. An observation of something that doesn't change. For example, most leaves are green. It's not a very high form of knowledge. Most anybody can gather facts in nature.
A theory on the other hand is a very high form of knowledge. It's the explanation of the facts. Why are leaves green? The scientist must figure this out which is hard! He makes an hypothesis, then makes tests, then prints articles of his findings in peer reviewed journals, after many years a theory is formed with all the information gathered. In science, a theory is something that is accept in that it has been rigorously tested time and time again.
A theory is a much higher knowledge than facts. Most people comprehend the fact of gravity. Seldom are those that comprehend the Theory of Gravity which is the explanation of why gravity exists.
What blows my mind is that most of what you publish in your defense supports my claims. That's a really bad sign. You're absolutely illiterate in science. And, I'm willing to bed a whole bunch of other Americans are as well. There's something messed up with your education system. This lack of scientific understand is what causes all these nonsensical conspiracy theories to flourish. Dangerous and sad.
What is sad is your total lack of comprehension.
What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience
A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.
What the above excerpt says - is that a theory is not written in stone - that it is thought to be the best explanation at the time for interpreting observations and is subject to change.
Of course scientific theories can be rejected. I never said they couldn't. Iv'e told you before that there is no absolute truth in science. It keeps on correcting itself.
My point was that a scientific theory is a higher form of knowledge than a scientific fact. Indeed, it's the highest form of scientific knowledge. But, science is not absolute truth, so the highest form of scientific knowledge is not absolute truth either.
The problem is you think facts are a higher form of knowledge than theories. That's plain wrong.
You are illiterate. Your responses to my comments show that. You accuse me of writing stuff I never did. You do this because you do not know how to read.
Shut-up shit head. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about - without facts there is no scientific theory. U spent all day yesterday trying to state that scientific theory was a fact. U have been proven wrong ( as is usual ) and are now doing Ur tap dance of trying to rewrite history. So Blow It Out Your Ass - f'n lack-wit.
I never stated the opposite. Fscts, hypothesis, theories, experiments, assumptions, errors, review, etc... all are needed in the scientific process.
If I wrote that show us where. You can't because I never wrote such a thing. The problem is you are illiterate. You cannot understand even the most basic things I write.
I never stated such a thing.
If I wrote that show us where. You can't because I never wrote such a thing. The problem is you are illiterate. You cannot understand even the most basic things I write.
What I said from the beginning is that a scientific theory is a higher form of knowledge than a scientific fact.
There's no such thing as science "fact". There is only evidence.
Wrong. There is such a thing as a scientific fact. And, a fact is different than evidence. A scientific fact is simply a repeated observation that holds. For example, that most leaves are green. Evidence is something that lends credence to a theory. Evidence is in relation to something, a fact is not. For example, if you set two atomic clocks at the same time and leave one on earth while the other orbits the earth in a plane, you'll notice their times differ when the plane lands. This is a piece of evidence for the Theory of Relativity. It's counter-evidence for Newtonian physics. Evidence is always in relation to a theory, to support the theory. Facts don't support theories, theories explain facts. If you just explain a bunch of facts with a theory, you still need evidence to support the theory, else it won't be called a theory, but simply an hypothesis.
I had a feeling you were scientifically illiterate like DKAtoday. My hope is that you will educate yourself.
Really??
What's a science fact??
Name one.
Something beyond. dinosaurs once roamed the earth.
I named a science fact above. Most leaves on trees are green. A scientific theory would explain why. Evidence for that theory would confirm the theory's predictions.
Another example. Objects fall when dropped. This is a scientific fact. The Theory of Relativity explains why since it also contains the Theory of Gravity. Evidence for that theory is seen from experiments like the atomic clock experiment I described above.
Oh?
What's "green"?
It's an observation of wavelength, and wavelength is changeable.
Even the speed of light has been observed as changeable.
It's all observation and measurement, and even that changes.
If there IS a provable science "fact", it's that the universe is in constant flux.
Science is never perfect. A scientific fact is just something that is repeatedly observed. It doesn't mean that it is 100% true. The color green is the observation of a range of wavelengths, not just one wavelength. A range we predefine as green. Yes, wavelengths change. So what? The point of this fact is that most leaves are observed as being within the green wavelength range. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Science never claims 100% truth. That's one of the most basic tenants of science.
Facts are simply repeated observations that hold (or seem to hold).
Evidence is not the same as it must be in support of a theory.
Proof is a word that deals with mathematics, not physics, biology, etc...
Furthermore, the discussion was not whether facts are 100% true. I never said they were.
You're confused with the layman term fact which is not the same as in science.
They call it "science fact" for the convenience.
It all changes.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/10/banned-ted-talk-rupert-sheldrake-the-science-delusion/
In ways you never thought about.
Make stuff up? You're the one who started this discussion by saying there is no such thing as a scientific fact. That is plainly wrong as anyone who knows anything about science could tell you.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scientific+fact
http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work
You are simply scientifically illiterate. Even when I point out your illiteracy you refuse to educate yourself. Do a Google search for "scientific fact", or ask one of your friends who's a scientist. Try to learn for once, instead of thrown red herrings around and trying to imply things I never wrote.
LOL
I actually read your first post, under an, I assume, now banned nameplate.
It was all made up stuff.
Have fun talking to yourself, after all May is masturbation month.
I won't be responding to anything else in this thread.
No one said a scientific fact could never change. That's your interpretation because you are scientifically illiterate. The only thing I said is that a scientific theory is a higher form of knowledge than a scientific fact.
I'm not sure why you are throwing this red herring about change. Sure, facts can change after more observations or other reasons. For a while, it was considered a scientific fact that the earth was flat. Better observations showed it was spherical. Then, even better observations showed is wasn't a perfect sphere, but flatter on the poles. This is all kid's stuff. Didn't you know that nothing is 100% true in science?
You're confused with the layman term fact which is meant to mean 100% true. In science, fact has another definition. Like I said, you and DKAtoday are scientifically illiterate.
You just don't seem to follow.
Perhaps it's you who's lost in conspiracy world?
A world, that in it's latest analysis, has roots in evolution.
Reality is the weirdest thing we experience.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2013/05/10/what-do-conspiracy-theories-religious-beliefs-and-detoxifying-proteins-have-in-common/
Now, go back to having fun makin' stuff up.
Facepalm
http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work
Be sure to cover your mouth and pinch your nose.
You also don't believe in the existence of the term scientific fact?
Here ya go Ur theme song -
Let's Twist Again
Never said that - you just did - you enjoy trying to put your words in others mouths.
Hi Ho and Away - why it's the LoneStranger - Yep not too many get much stranger - good thing it is on it's way to somewhere else.
Not putting words into your mouth. I asked you a question. Can't you understand basic written English? Oh wait, you are illiterate.
Fail
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Failure
F'n lack wit.
This is where your face got shoved into the mud.
[-] 6 points by DKAtoday (24932) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 hours ago
What is sad is your total lack of comprehension.
What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience
A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.
What the above excerpt says - is that a theory is not written in stone - that it is thought to be the best explanation at the time for interpreting observations and is subject to change. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink
Yes, that's what I said all along. A theory is a higher form of knowledge than facts because it explains them! Read that again. Maybe you'll understand one day.
Facts are easy. Anyone can come up with them. Most leaves are green is a fact. A theory is harder. You must explains why most leaves are green. It must be tight. Peer reviewed. Based on a lot of evidence.
Theories are what lead to applications, not facts. Facts are the building blocks. Theories are higher up in the chain of knowledge.
Again, I never said a theory was written in stone. If you think I did, show us where. You can't. The problem is you are illiterate and it becomes more obvious with every single one of your comments.
Brain dead asshole. Good night - I have had enough of your stupidity for the moment. Hell you don't even understand what you write.
What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience
A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.
What the above excerpt says - is that a theory is not written in stone - that it is thought to be the best explanation at the time for interpreting observations and is subject to change. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete
So - No - Not Greater Then observed facts - but an attempt to try to explain the reason for the observed. And as noted above - subject ( the theory ) to revision.
Yes, scientific theories are a higher form of knowledge than observed facts. You simply are illiterate and don't understand the quotes you post. Scientific theories have explaining power, facts don't. That's what imparts more knowledge. We can build planes, computers, etc... because of scientific theories. We couldn't build applications with only facts. Scientific theories provide us with more knowledge than facts. Period. Why? Because they explain those facts! Facts alone are just repeated observations. They don't give us much.
I'm done with this discussion. Smart people will be able to see that you are indeed illiterate. My job here is done.
Eat your shit and bark at the moon you crazed ( craven ?) asshole.
Hee Hee Hee F'n lunatic. aAHhAaahahahahahooohehehe
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Truth! Yes, they give us more knowledge because they explain those facts.
My hope is that one day you will become scientifically literate. That most Americans will. The illiteracy in science is astounding in America. You have done a good job to show that.
Go play with your selves - at least maybe U can comprehend U as U certainly do not comprehend reality.
Alright. I hope you decide to educate yourself in regards to science literacy. Shooz also needs help in that department. Farewell old friend.
No you said that scientific theory - was not a theory - I said bullshit - and went on to prove that - You have shit for brains. So Blow It Out Your ASS - Lack-wit.
Show all of us where. Can you do that? No, because I never wrote such a thing.
I said that the world theory used in the context of science is not the same as the word theory used in layman terms and expressions like conspiracy theory. The word theory has more than one definition. This is what you fail to comprehend and why you are basically illiterate.
Short term memory issues? You forgot to edit or remove your BS statement Lack-wit.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/take-it-to-the-street-challenge-be-an-activist-for/#comment-968596
Dude, you are illiterate. You cannot even read and comprehend what I wrote. You think the world theory in conspiracy theory means the same thing as the word theory in scientific theory. That's the crux of it. Sad. Educate yourself. Make your mother proud for once.
Dude, DKAtoday was correct 3 hours ago. I get that you know scientific theory, but get over yourself. Theory has to go through a rigid "Vetting" process. We all know that. But theory must be able to stand on it's own. Theory must face repeated criticism. In that sense maybe art gets the same level of criticism (if you are an artist you understand how tough you have to be to take all the Reveiws).
But don't act like Professors are immune to human "Ego" and problems of Tenure. The US may have problems like Greece in that academic professors can refute all new ideas to hold on to their theory and career.
Universities are corrupted just as any Institution. Anyway you almost write like a Non-English speaker. What you have universities that have never been found to be corrupt???
Every thing is Black and White to you? Actually you sound like an American Economist. But I know a couple of US Economists that seem progressive and intelligent... it just seems US Economist often are Neoclassical.
Hey, Economics is Soft Science. Science changes every year. Get over it and get over yourself. The world is not Black and White. you don't have ownership over the "One Truth".
Nice - but you know that went in one ear and straight out the other having met no resistance.
I guess this is the first time I knew I was texting Trashy. I don't know his whole science thing exactly. But I think I replied to him last month and never got a response back. We were having a pissing match for sure.
Yep - it is what he likes to do - along with sowing misinformation.
G-Night
Cool. thanx
No, DKAtoday is wrong because he doesn't understand the difference between the word theory in conspiracy theory and in scientific theory.
A lot of universities are corrupt. Your point? That does not change the definitions of scientific terms.
No, DKAtoday said something subtle. You don't seem discerning 3 hours ago. I knew what he said and just let it go. Why didn't you read it again.
Ok, it is okay if you drink alcohol and are tired and all that.
But these guys saw what he was saying... that is why they all seem to say the same thing to you.
It is okay if you drink alcohol. It just makes you less perceptive sometimes probably.
LATE ADD: This was called a Reality Check in 1989. Reality Check is sort of a smart ass thing to say to someone when many people are saying he is the only one saying what he is saying & everyone opposes him. Don't listen to a Reality Check, since that is often "Group Think", but you should consider the "Reality Check from others in the group.
But, these points (the ones you posted below) I never argued. I never said a scientific theory was written in stone. That's just DKAtoday pulling a red herring. The discussion started because he believed that scientific facts were more important than scientific theories. Essentially, he thought theories were nothing but assumptions. He didn't understand that in science a theory is something rigorous, backed up by a lot of evidence. It's not just an idea.
Sometimes disputes are just positional. he has his positions & you have your position. But neither is really that far a part. It seems like politics.
If you have worked in big organizations, you might be competitive. I mean positional (overly positional).
If you and I went in an Audited the 1998 Federal Budget on the US Treasury Website for the last day of the Fiscal year, 30 September 1998 (both Monthly statements & Daily Statements). And if we asked questions about the Growth in these Federal budgets from 2001 - 2013 we would agree about a lot of things. Most major budget lines have increased without any attempt at control and justification for increases. The proof is found in all the years under Bill Clinton where corresponding increases (percentages) were very small.
We would get to know each other style and find common ground. We would hold Congress in Contempt. Not sure how much learning up you would need to take to understand the principal of 3% annual budget growth or max 6% budget growth for justification like health care inflation, modernization of computers, or outbreak of war.
There after we could agree on corporate infiltration of congress. We could look at the S & L Scandal and the 4000 people prosecuted for Fraud by William K. Black. We could see the creation of the RTC for bankrupt banks. We could see the increase in Federal Staffing require for prosecution and investigation of Control Fraud by Bankers.
Subtle changes to the USA. We could examine the American Capitalist System in comparison to other systems. We could examine problems with Government Economic Data.
It's not positional. We were disputing a definition. It can be checked. It's not about opinion. Please read the thread again. The simple truth is that DKAtoday is scientifically illiterate like most Americans. His friend shooz is as well.
Show me the quote. He said a lot of stuff 3 hours ago.
A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.
What the above excerpt says - is that a theory is not written in stone - that it is thought to be the best explanation at the time for interpreting observations and is subject to change.
LATE ADD: This was called a Reality Check in 1989. Reality Check is sort of a smart ass thing to say to someone when many people are saying he is the only one saying what he is saying & everyone opposes him. Don't listen to a Reality Check, since that is often "Group Think", but you should consider the "Reality Check from others in the group.
So what is the point?
Many Philosophers and Scientists have modified their theories over time. You could say... well it was a hypothesis at the time of modification. But think of theories of Outer Space and our Solar System that were given to the public. Perhaps the US Public was given Hypothesis in a professional environment like an Planetarium... I suppose this could be an example where you would be correct....? Our K-12 Schools could teach hypothesis learned from Professors & Planetariums...
It is a subtle difference that you propose.
But... DKAtoday is a smart guy. I think he is ISO Certified. I think the people you talk with are smart guys. I think they can compete with you in your field of study if it is the same field of study.
So, perhaps it is a Draw. You are attempting a subtle point in a competitive, and pushy manner (like a Prussian, my judgement), and DKAtoday is making the appropriate points that he understand Theory is Rigid, but must be tested, is frequently overturned, and is not carved in stone.
Did you think Theory is carved in Stone. No. Observations change in different samplings and different experiments. You seem to support science. But you don't seem to write to a level that would indicate you have publish science papers.
So I give a little. You have to give a little. You have to value people if you want to teach. Do you want to teach in your community.
You know you could teach. I know someone who is very smart. But he is not the greatest choice for teaching sometimes. His family is a personal area and he gets very angry. I think his work style is to direct people.
You might be a personality that Directs people. They key to teaching is to value people and value relationships. You can do it. You have to change a little. We are all smart enough. And you have to find students that want to be taught. Now, we have to face the First Impression and Selling yourself issue.
We all have to sell ourselves. Part of this is finding the right venue.
Obviously I have a hard time selling myself. Maybe I could teach something creative. But I don't have the authority or control for teaching people over the internet. of course maybe you and I don't want to reveal our Resume. We don't want to Trust the world to know who we are or what ever. I like privacy.
Show me where I said that. What I did say is that both are theories - I did not say they were the same except in that both try to explain what has been observed.
What a sad little dweeb you are tr@ashy. Have to abandon one username after another because people see through to what a desperate little attention seeking dweeb you are, and yet you come back again and again hoping we will all suddenly see how brilliant You really are.
You are a sad case of sold-out dissociated weakage - a perfect exponent of the end product of soulless capitalism.
Keep coming back, you are a great example to us all of the end product of soulless "rationality."
Oh, and I love your expierence of being an "extra" in Hong Kong films. I don't believe it, any more than anything else you say, but . . .
That's perfect . . . playing an insignificant part and being told blindly what to do, and doing it. That would be a perfect background for what . . . a revolutionary?
I don't think so . . . more like just for being a weird compliant lackey, which is what you are.
A job is a job. Nothing wrong with making money.
Do you have any more ad hominem, or do you actually have arguments for a debate?
Hey, come back here you tr@shy little fucker.
I've been willing to stay civil with almost anyone on this forum, no matter how misguided I think they are, no matter how much I think their ideas are counter to this movement, to human progress, which is what this whole thing is all about.
But you have crossed the line.
I remember when you used your bots to vote down every solid poster here, sometimes twenty, thirty points at a time. I remember how you teamed up with others, Iron Butt Bruce for one, to intimidate people here. You fucked with my account on this site, and somehow sent me false messages from other people's user accounts. You forced me to change usernames just to log on, and thus undermined my credibility here. I'm sure you did the same or similar to many others.
I'm telling you now. Get your little ass off this site. Don't come back. You are outted as an agent of the 1%, so get your little fucking ass off this site.
Comprende Asshole?
You think you can play games, come on, come on and talk to me.
I didn't do the things you accuse me of. Someone else tricked you. If you were smart, you would ask jart and the other moderators to look into it. They can see who did what from the admin panel. Of course, you will not check because you enjoy accusing people without evidence. It's easy. That's what you like. It's people like you who destroy America. Innocent until proven guilty should be important to all Americans.
That's you all over - provoke, deny, equivocate - hope that we are too stupid to see what is in front of our faces just because you deny the obvious.
You are a liar, and even though you have been caught lying a hundred times over you still have the gall to believe we will take you at your word.
In other words you take people for fools.
You have been banned here countless times and still you persist.
What I want to know is whether you're human. That might seem an obsured question to those who haven't encountered you here, but in your case it's justified. I think most of your comments are just word salad - that you have created a program that just spews clusters of words at people, based upon certain inputs, and that you just tweek them to fit a given situation, and that you do it with multiple usernames.
Your phrases are repeated over and over, as if spewed from a machine, devoid of soul, devoid of personality. You say this forum has no value, and yet you have haunted it relentlessly under who knows how many usernames, almost since its inception.
Nothing you say has any cohesion, you are a ghost, a ghost of sophistry and disruption.
You have no authentic human personality. The best that could be hoped for you is that your words are random phrases regurgitated by a machine, because if this is not true than you are a genuine psycopath.
You are not identifiable as a human being. You claim no territory in the realm of human personality, but just this endless stream of psudo-rational, psudo-philispohical, psudo-scientific pablum.
You are ageless, sexless, nameless, soulless. You are nothing . . . just some hollow entity, devoid of spirit. Your mother was a machine, your father a petri dish.
Analize that, and tell me how it weighs on the scales of your dead machine?
Why not search for evidence, instead of blaming people for things they did not do? The evidence is easy to find. Simply get in touch with a moderator. Instead, you choose to let your delusions fool you. Sad. Demanding evidence before accusing someone should be top priority for every responsible citizen. Else, it just becomes mob rules.
BTW, you should use a spell checker if you can't spell properly.
Do you have arguments for a strong debate, or only lame ad hominem?
Just more of the same repeated words and phrases. You responded before I even finished. You just plugged something into your machine, whether an actual machine or just the broken mechanism of whatever it is you have that passes for a human soul, only you can tell.
It scares you to ask the admins for evidence because you will need to apologize when you realize you are wrong. People like you, who accuse others without requiring proof, are destroying the world.
So, what do you do. More ad hominem. More empty accusation. You keep attacking hoping that others will follow suit. You just want to build a mob against me. Truth doesn't interest you. You have an evil heart. No patience. No integrity.
Demand evidence before accusing others of nefarious activities.
You claim to have a connection to admin. here. That is interesting given that you have been banned dozens of times from this site, but admin. is beside the point. I Know it was you that was fucking with me then, just as it is you that are fucking with us here now.
How do I know . . . we'll that's just your little puzzle to figure out.
You would have us believe you are the arbitor of all knowledge. I've never heard such an arrogant assumption from someone who's mother was a machine and who's father was a petri dish.
Plato said the only person you need to control is yourself.
You know nothing of science, and even less about anything other than your desperate need for compensation for not being fully human.
You would be pitiable but for your arrogance and your desperate resistance against truth.
I suppose you fathom yourself a Nietzche or some such thing.
You are simply an abortion.
I never claimed I had a connection to the admins. Read my comments again. I said you should ask the admins for evidence before blaming me on things I did not do. They can check IP addresses and other indicators and tell you who did what you think I did.
Dance, twist, turn, nit pick, squirm. You want me to dig up the thousand lies you have spewed on this forum?
It would be almost senseless - you have been such an inveterate liar.
Just Who in the Hell do you think you're fooling?
What I want to know is was your mother a machine and your father a pitri dish, or was it the other way around?
Aw, come on fucker, let's play . . .
Do you have a soul, or were you just spawned from some kind of deformed science experiment?
We Want To Know!
If you want to know, ask the admins for evidence. That's how real researchers work. Lame conspiracy theorists just pass lies as if they were truths because they are too lazy to do proper research. Don't be a conspiracy theorist man. You're better than that.
Here we go again, just words repeated in sequence always avoiding answering any questions, never answering questions addressed to you, but just going on endlessly like a broken record.
Do you deny being caught in a thousand lies on this forum?
Your misdirection won't do here, now. You would deny what everyone here knows from the evidence of their own expierence, that you are at best a liar and at worst something less than human.
How do you plead, you piece of bleeding excrement?
Why should I have to answer your questions? Is this an interrogation? You accuse me of things I didn't do and don't even want to bother to gather evidence when all you have to do is ask the mods. I owe you nothing, but you owe me something for accusing me falsely. Clear things up with the mods, then I'll answer any questions you might have. Until then, I feel insulted and violated by your false accusations. I certainly won't bother answering your rhetorical claptrap.
Oh! Well, the forum certainly does not have a purpose in regards to OWS. If anything, it just makes OWS look bad since most users here don't even understand what OWS is.
It's useful for entertainment. That's why I use this site. It's fun!
Let's see, did you honestly answer even a single one of those questions?
No, of course not, you just deflected them.
(When dealing with the sophist and forum trasher, tr@shy, make sure he actually answers your questions.)
You said you wanted to know, and I replied you should look for the evidence. I even told you where to look. Is it my fault if you want to keep accusing me of things I didn't do without any evidence? You should do your job before you accuse people. And, that is to gather evidence.
Whats a matter? You gotta go powder your face to pretend you are somebody, pretending you are somebody, pretending you are somebody, pretending you are somebody in Hong Kong?
Just crawl back in that rat hole that is your excuse for an authentic identity and see what you can find in there. Then maybe you can come out into the light of day.
Thirty minues and counting, Go on, run, but you can't hide.
We'll get to the bottom of that ugly little place where you should have a soul yet, and we'll flush out all its little demons.
Come on you squirming little abortion, we want to know?
What made you such a coward that you would put your mind to any use, no matter how obscene?
Shut up.
What we want to know is why you are here after being banned under who knows how many usernames?
Why you are here endlessly even though you say this forum has no purpose?
Why don't you just see a psychiatrist, instead of endlessly hashing out your issues of inadequacy here?
It requires less energy to sit and post then it does to go out and actually expend energy to do something positive - that's why you don't see anyone outside your window protesting.
Just too damm comfortable living off their parents.
Protesting by walking with a sign is so last-century. The fight goes on on all levels -- ultimately reaching the physical reality at times. It is far more efficient to fight in mindspace than physical space due to the overwhelming advantage of the opposition in its control of physical space and the possibility of quasi-coherent actions without any physical coordination or manifestation.
The ultimate proving ground is in mindspace. The physical shall follow the mental once we have won the hearts and minds of our people.
I suspect there’s more truth is that statement than most are willing to admit.
Except for the last sentence, Narley, which is just plain ignorance. For the record, the overwhelming majority of regular posters here don't live with their parents.
Yes, exactly, gnomunny.
Except for maybe Thrasymaque, the regulars here are all parents, or grandparents.
Yep, the majority of posters here are full-grown adults, but oddly, there's still the oddball that comes along and thinks we're a bunch of high-schoolers.
And the jury is definitely still out on everything Thrasymaque.
And this is off-topic, of course, but did you check out that link I put up about saw palmetto seeds?
I just checked my bookmarks, and can't find it.
I'll go grab it for you. I'll be right back.
Edit: http://www.tradewindsfruitstore.com/servlet/the-1005/Serenoa-repens--dsh--Saw/Detail
Excellent. Thankyou muchly, GM.
You're welcome. The first time I sent it to you it was probably one of those messages that got lost in the ether. Happens to all of us every now and then.
I believe you. I doubt few here live with their parents. I think he was just trying to make a point. Probably also take a jab at OWS in general.
Oh yeah, Stormcrow is definitely not a sincere supporter.