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Forum Post: Bidens "Chains" are very apt

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 16, 2012, 5:13 a.m. EST by matoinyanawacis (157)
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Plain and simply, if Wall Street is "unshackled" as Romney wants to do, then that means that the rest of us "WILL" be chained.... Chain with unjust debt, just as we are now burdened with paying down the debt wall street caused in the 2009 meltdown. Chains of Debt are just as real and harmful as chains of iron... So Biden was absolutely correct about what will happen to all of us if Wall street is allowed to go back to the same criminal activities that caused the recession.

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

We've been waiting for the Obama administration to put the "chains" on even a single executive involved in the financial collapse.

Chains of lies are all that Obama delivers.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The laws republicans wrote to protect their corp 1% plutocrat puppet masters must be changed.

We must agitate for real fin reform!

Elect progressives, Vote out anti fin reg republicans

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Frank Dodd was bipartisan GS repeal was bipartisan SEC is appointed by the same bought out politicians http://www.sec.gov/about/commissioner.shtml

Commodity Futures act was bipartisan Neither party wants to reign in the fed

Since both parties have created this mess, what do you propose to do? Because both of them have already choosen sides, and it aint you.

And dont bring your "we can bring them back" line. That thinking is for the party puppets.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"party puppets"? that's not very nice. We may disagree but I think it is best if discuss these important issues with respect and civility.

"We should treat each other as if we are going to be working together for years to come" Jill Stein.

It will take years to undo the mess that conservative 1% plutocrat policies have created. Lets try to solve these problems together. We can act as a virtual think tank.

1st I want to go on record stating I am unequivocally against "letting it all collapse". I disagree with "It has to get worse before it gets better". I believe this will hurt the poor far worse than anyone else. So it is unacceptable.

In fact this approach IMHO is a bit lazy, and defeatist. We can and MUST do better. Hard work, growing the movement, years of actions are required, but there is nothing the people united cannot do. So Lets take this one at a time:

You mentioned Dodd Frank. Much too weak!! It was watered down by the republicans. So clearly they are the problem. the repubicanshave vowed to repeal it (As the wall st banksters want) Democrats have specified plans to strengthen it. Clearly this is the evidence that progressive solutions are the answer to the conservative policy of weak regulations.

What do you think about that one issue (Dodd Frank) and what is the next one.

Solidarity

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Another Jill Stein quote, and with all the emphasis you place on voting, you arent going to vote for her.

Thats called selling out.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"selling out"? another insult.

You don't know who I'm voting for. And certainly Jill Stein supports voting even if you don't.

Please refrain from this constant abuse and harassment. I haven't done anything to you.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I'm tired of people quoting people, who would make a difference if people voted for them, and then decalring they are voting for more war,poverty,facsist stuff.

Selling out is common these days, you shouldnt be too alarmed by it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have never stated who I'm voting for.

And just because you don't like me quoting someone doesn't give you the right to constantly insult and harass me.

Please refrain from this excessive pointless abuse. I don't deserve it.

Substance is ok. Civil debate is preferred.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You've already stated plenty of times that you are voting fo Obama, and even help out at the campaign office from time to time.

Im fine with that. Im an activist for activism.

But you constantly use her in references, yet you dont campaign for her. I dont get it.

Please explain.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have never said I worked for Pres Obama Nor that I would Vote for him. You are spreading lies.

I use her in reference because I like her, her positions, and her quotes. And using her quotes reminds people that she is running, Which is more than you do for her campaign all you ever do is spew partisan attacks against Pres Obama

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So you will vote for her? You will help to stop the spread of war and corruption that is the resullt of two party lies for over 100 years?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My vote is my business. I ain't askin about you're vote. I will not vote the republican conservative 1% plutocrats tools. thats for sure.

I am and will continue to work to help stop the spread of war and corruption that is the result of 2 parties for over 100 years.

Why do I have to take a pledge? Why can't I just be allowed to express my opinion without your constant harassment?

Please refrain from this constant abuse. I haven't done anything to you. I guess we disagree. You think I am working for Pres Obama. I'm not. Is that enough to satiate you anger?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I'm going with third party, and you;ve already stated that I am doing it because I want Republicans to win.

With Obama, they have already won. If he had an R after his name, the Dem party would be attacking him relentlessly.

Quoting Stein and voting for Obama is like promoting salads while eating a big mac :) Dont line up.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh so Bernie voting with dems is because he's stuck! He's forced? Not because he agrees? I've heard him talking with dems right next to him both talking passionately about progressive initiatives. That's not him stuck or forced.

No! Bernie is a man of integrity! He does not vote haphazardly! He votes for something if he believes it. If not he votes against, or abstains. Like the 10% of the times he does that.

So why do you claim his caucus with dems is because he is stuck? It is meaningful. You should trust Bernie. He should be your guide. And he votes with the Dems because he knows their agenda is an agenda that supports the 99%.

He does not vote with repubs because their agenda is an agenda of the 1%.

You know it's true! Why do you deny it?

trust Bernie!

It's the only way to be sure.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20616) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

The Honorable Senator is one stand up guy.

He was among a handful who, as Congressman, stood up on the issue of Gulf War Syndrome. The DoD lied and they lied, but Congressional testimony finally got to the bottom of it by 1996 - and it still took some time for the VA to get on board.

I'm sure you can still find repelicans deep in denial . . .

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Listen, Im not saying that the Dems vote for some good things.

Im saying if you think he looks at the party and thinks its heading int eh right direction, then you havent been listening to him enough.

"You know who I trust? Me." T. Montana.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I want the duopoly dismantled as well. I think Bernie sanders is an excellent example of a good progressive working for the 99%.

I trust him, and I encourage everyone to listen to Bernie. He is 1 of only 2 or 3 independents in congress now.

He (and the others) caucus with the democrats, Bernie votes 90% of the time with Dems.

Is that meaningful at all to you?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Bernie gets stuck voting for Dems is what it comes down to. Of the 435 seats, it only takes a bloc of 20 or so to start raising some serious hell, real discussions and most importantly demanding JUSTICE be served.

Like I said, Im still a registered Dem, so I understand him having to choose sides in there. I wish he had enough comrades so that he didnt have to choose a side, he had his own side.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Doesn't the current political duopoly prevent a real 3rd party impact? haven't had a non D ot R pres in more than 150 years.

Perhaps we should change the electoral problems that prevent 3rd party access.?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

It is pretty messed up, but its far from impossible. Justice Party is working on ballot access right now, the Greens had pretty easy time. It all depends on getting that support.

Its only as hard as the people want it to be. But then again, if the people were realy engaged, then we wouldnt have the problems in teh D and R parties that we do now I guess.

We dont need a president in there thats an indie. But look at say Bernie, he's not loyal to anyone besides himself. Kind of why I sometimes would like to get rid of parties all together.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Agreed.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So as long as I think the way you tell me to think we're ok right?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Well, Im not going to say that I have all the answers, but there is no doubt that if one small third party can get in and get some seats, and expose this corrupted system to the people, that shit would be exposed like never before.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have not stated that youare voting 3rd party because you want to help republicans because I have no idea that you are voting 4rd party. I have not asked about your vote because I never ask people who they are voting for. It's a private matter. Not appropriate. I ain't asked you now. I don't care who you vote for . I don't tell any one how who to vote for. I only say:

elect progressives. Vote out anti greentech politicians. Things like that.

You got a problem with that?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

No. as long as you realize Obama and most of the Dems in the congress are in bed with the anti pols you speak of.

Othewise we are just chasing our own tails for another two years.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

You tow the party line, you insist the economic health of the country depends on the banks. What exactly are you protesting? Sounds like you're fine with how everything is now.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I tow what party line"? that is untrue!!

I insist the economic health of the country depends on the banks"? Also untrue. When did I say that? Are you making things up because you can't defend the inconsiderate suggestion of "letting it all collapse" Or are you confusing me with someone else?

Take it slow. Think about it. Don't get angry. Please don't be uncivil.

Solidarity

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[-] 1 points by Cocreator (306) 1 year ago

General Assembly, Citizens Audit Committee, Citizens Arrest Committee, Citizens Court, we need to address the issues ourselves,politicians and corporations bought the courts, and they offer no representation..

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If you are defending that press conference, then you will clearly fall for anything the media tells you.

Shame on you. That was a disgusting remark by someone who should be above it, but clearly isnt.

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (788) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

We can only wonder what is the deal with Funky and some of these other quasi trolls that have latched onto this forum.Are they really getting paid to for all of these drivelish,murky posts?Their work does seem to have a quality of freezer burned fast food burgers-but sometimes I think some of them are actual people who are attracted to #OWS by something that they have in common with us.Maybe they are Tea Party People who in some part of their brains comprehend that the government for all intents and purposes no longer exists because the Bankster/CEO class is now in full and total control of it.I know the TP was enraged by TARP but they mostly want to blame it on "The Government"after the initial burst of rage.Maybe the TP needs a site where TP's can go to talk about corporate corruption among themselves.

[-] 0 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

Wall Street is Unshackled now, and we know what that will bring.

We still have hope: a reasonable alternative to the crazy system (our last 12 years) Rocky Anderson is on ballot in many states, and he praised Ows as idealistic courageous and convergent with his positions (4th LINK) His strategy is through social media, as the egyptian s did, wants a revo. Against duopoly. If we met up in public forums, parks, and championed his candidacy, that's freedom of speech. How could that be shut down. And everyone emailed, wrote everyone they know, everyone in the phone book, but keep it optimistic, have kids there, etc pro family and worker.

http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2012/04/01/video-rocky-anderson-forcefully-dismantles-the-logic-of-2-party-system-apologists/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_SxT7RHOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRR5_NdnLo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8q2lFSvhPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCEoRUc4B0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtiuAiAzvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DSLUPRunw

http://archive.org/details/scm-48382-rockyandersonstandingupforjust

It was cool to the public when you occupied. Real not staged. For those who know in their soul the system has deep problems, it was inspiring.

Can WE occupy central park(s) and spread the message there, even if it is daily. It was cool you were out in public standing up.

It's just whole country feels conservative, cause cons keep repeative Obama is communist.

OWS was so fast, and not well covered in main media, for most part. I think it was raising awareness, especially when the police got out of line, but now it is easy for public to ignore, and for many they may believe it has faded away:((

[-] -3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Another sellout defending sellouts. shocked.

[-] -3 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Only a card carrying fool would defend Biden's words. Not only was it an obvious underhanded scare technique plea to black voters who are not supporting the Prez like in '08, it's really not the unifying leadership we kinda sorta need right now. No hope, no change, just more of the same politicians willing to do anything to win.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U think a free to do as they please wallstreet would be a good thing?

Do you think having the compulsive psychopathic/sociopathic liar like mittens and sociopath Paul Ayn in office as the potus and vice-potus would be a good thing for the people of this country?

Yeah the dems are running their campaign of vote for us and not them - but I gotta agree that mittens and ayn ryan can not be allowed into the white house.

[-] 1 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

Talk about unleashing Wall Street...How come Biden and Obama's DOJ have dismissed the lawsuit against Goldman Sachs and just today MF Global? Whose unleashing Wall Street? Hypocrisy is everywhere.

[-] 4 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 1 year ago

like I said above, Don't know... you think the possibility exists that Goldman and the others have such really high paid lawyers available to them, that those same high priced lawyers might be capable of "legally" exonerating their High Paying Clients with special laws written just for them that are present on the law books, and that President Obama and the Justice Department don't have a leg to stand on because these special "Legal Loopholes" exist solely to incapacitate legal repercussions... Just a thought. Far as I've heard, unless an actual breaking of the law can be "PROVEN", it is worthless to bring a charge. Not that President Obama hasn't tried, its just that Goldman and others, shall we say, prepared years in advance, protections against prosecution for all but the most flagrant of transgressions.. But by all means, tell the President, forget about the rule of law, Your the President. Just go arrest them and put them in chains, never mind that you can't "PROVE" the crime for which they are culpable, seeings how I'm so sure the criminals went way out of their way to leave EVIDENCE of their crimes laying around just for their indictments. Live in reality people. The only way to stop criminals is to make sure there are laws in place that aren't full of holes for the rich to exploit... and that is what President Obama has been fighting for. A little hard to do though when he is obstructed at every turn, opposed at every attempt, and denied every request. Justice can only be served when all Americans are involved in the creation of those laws. Today the only laws besides the ones President Obama signed, have been written solely by the rich and for the rich. And yes biden gets a pass.. unlike the repugnacans, he does NOT have a single racist bone in his body.

[-] -1 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

Or could it be that his administration is full of previous Goldman Sachs employees. Or that his Treasury Secretary when, as president of the New York Fed in 2008, decided to give Goldman Sachs a $30 billion interest-free loan as part of an $80 billion secret float to favored banks? Sorry, my bad: It wasn’t an interest-free loan; make that .01 percent that Goldman paid to borrow taxpayer money when ordinary folks who missed a few credit card payments in order to finance their mortgages were being slapped with interest rates of more than 25 percent.

And there was no language in the Dodd-Frank law supposedly reining in the banks that compelled the Fed to reveal the existence of this program.

And as far as bailouts, actually, Goldman wasn’t even a bank and was therefore ineligible for those massive government handouts until Geithner helped gain approval for the instant conversion of Goldman from an investment house to a commercial bank. Goldman was granted that status, and with it access to the Fed’s lending, soon after the privilege had been denied to the fellow investment bank Lehman Brothers (the $30 billion mentioned above was in addition to the $43.5 billion Goldman borrowed from other Fed programs). Although Lehman was allowed to go belly up, Geithner engineered the massive bailout of AIG, a move that turned out to be a cover for passing money to AIG’s clients, including the aforementioned Goldman Sachs. The man’s intentions were clear, even if all the secret details were not, when Obama picked him to be his point man in salvaging an economy that Geithner had done much to wreck.

Geithner’s priorities were all too obvious from his days in the Clinton administration’s Treasury Department when he worked first under former Goldman honcho Robert Rubin and then Lawrence Summers, who took six-figure speaking fees from Goldman and other banks while he was an adviser to candidate Obama. It was the recommendation of Rubin and Summers that landed Geithner the job as president of the New York Fed, where he faithfully followed the policy lead of Goldman-CEO-turned-treasury-secretary Henry Paulson under Bush. It was back then and is now accurate to speak, as a New York Times headline once put it, of US politics dominated by “The Guys From ‘Government Sachs’ ”—but on an international scale.

http://www.thenation.com/article/161054/geithner-and-goldman-thick-thieves#

And then read this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/14/why-goldman-sachs-other-wall-street-titans-are-not-being-prosecuted.html

and this: http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/

And Holder himself has ties to GS...http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/16/Attorney-For-Goldman-Sachs-CEO-Is-Eric-Holder-s-Best-Friend

and there's so much more...

[-] -2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Goldman Paid a $550 million civil penalty for misleading investors in the Abacus deal. Do you honestly think they couldn't prosecute a criminal case and win?

Somehow our government managed to prosecute people for sleeping in tents. But when it comes to multi billion dollar fraud, the best they can do is slap a penalty on their wrist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/business/16goldman.html

[-] -3 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Did you interpret what I wrote as the belief that a free to do as they please wallstreet would be a good thing? Was what I wrote a pro Paul Ryan statement?

[-] 6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Your comment could well be construed that way. You attack an individual but do not attack the idea of a free and unencumbered wallstreet.

[-] -3 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Spot on. I was attacking an individual. I also did not attack the idea of drowning kittens in my post, so I guess you think I support that too. God, you're good.

[-] 6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Was the post about drowning kittens?

No.

It is about what Biden said about mittens and wallstreet.

[+] -4 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Hence my comment:

an obvious underhanded scare technique plea to black voters who are not supporting the Prez like in '08

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Your complaint/comment is faulty in that it does not support the fact that while the dems are using their propaganda to garner votes - that what is said about not wanting an unencumbered wallstreet is in fact a major concern and is a goal ( wanting no encumbrance ) of the corpoRATist's.

So at best you spanked the reasoning of the comment by spanking the presenter of the comment.

[-] 4 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 1 year ago

so there's a lot of black people controlling wall street is there? You were listening right? You know when Biden said Unchain Wall Street?!!! "THEY'LL" chain you!! Let's see, wall street? slavery....no. wall street? debt creators? yep... that fits... how many people have NOT heard of "Chains of Debt" or the "Shackles of Debt", my guess anyone 30 years or less

[+] -4 points by GovTheives (-30) 1 year ago

Obama = long chain of lies

[+] -4 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

So you're giving Biden a pass on this? How come he and Obama's Dept of Justice have dismissed the lawsuit against Goldman Sachs and just today MF Global? Whose unleashed Wall Street lately? Do you think it has something to do with campaign money they need?

[-] 4 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 1 year ago

Don't know... you think the possibility exists that Goldman and the others have such really high paid lawyers available to them, that those same high priced lawyers might be capable of "legally" exonerating their High Paying Clients with special laws written just for them that are present on the law books, and that President Obama and the Justice Department don't have a leg to stand on because these special "Legal Loopholes" exist solely to incapacitate legal repercussions... Just a thought. Far as I've heard, unless an actual breaking of the law can be "PROVEN", it is worthless to bring a charge. Not that President Obama hasn't tried, its just that Goldman and others, shall we say, prepared years in advance, protections against prosecution for all but the most flagrant of transgressions.. But by all means, tell the President, forget about the rule of law, Your the President. Just go arrest them and put them in chains, never mind that you can't "PROVE" the crime for which they are culpable, seeings how I'm so sure the criminals went way out of their way to leave EVIDENCE of their crimes laying around just for their indictments. Live in reality people. The only way to stop criminals is to make sure there are laws in place that aren't full of holes for the rich to exploit... and that is what President Obama has been fighting for. A little hard to do though when he is obstructed at every turn, opposed at every attempt, and denied every request. Justice can only be served when all Americans are involved in the creation of those laws. Today the only laws besides the ones President Obama signed, have been written solely by the rich and for the rich. And yes biden gets a pass.. unlike the repugnacans, he does NOT have a single racist bone in his body.

[+] -5 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Theres is one reason Obama was "choosen" in this broken system....and it not the will of the people.

[+] -6 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

No it doesn't... it means exactly what he said, "y'all back in chains." That's what he said, so let me reiterate: "YOU"... "ALL"... "BACK!!!" in "Chains."

This is just whitey talkin' to the blackman - you know, just standard fare, that's all it is. As in, we ain't really prejudice, we just white. And we standin' on this here podium, so obviously, white is right. Right?

Ya gotta love this guy. He's redneck in a purple suit with a yellow tie; you give him a fedora he'd be just like "y'all" 'cept he'd still be WHITE.

Wouldn't he?

[-] 5 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 1 year ago

stop pretending to be a black man, white boy, and more importantly, you are not intelligent enough to be so clarvoyant as to know EXACTLY what Vice President Joe Biden was thinking and thus saying. Go away troll

[-] -3 points by Mooks (1985) 1 year ago

Unfortunately, I don't think Biden really thinks about anything he says haha. Too bad we don't have Hillary on that ticket.

[+] -6 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

Y'all never mind those shackles, you just unchain your heart, boy.... And if you're Gay and Black, dontchoo be thinking about getting married in no Cath-o-lick church cause y'all know if you did that there'd be no Jesus Christ and Lord knows we need our Jesus...

Just a white boy in a blackman's world, who needs Wall Street when I got all this bling?

Uh huh, Uh huh... you heard it, and so did I.

It's time we chained government and force fed it some intelligence. And you're wrong, I do know exactly what he was thinking.

[-] 4 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 1 year ago

Then you are a liar as well as a demeaning racist by continuing to denigrate the old southern speech patterns of black folk. Your deliberate intent to be insulting as well as riotous only goes to show that there are those in our society that must never be given the power to affect the lives of others, because they would only abuse it for their own gratification. People like you are why our nation can never rest our vigilance to oppose hate and racism. Peace between all people is a nice dream, but with people like you, it will only ever be that....A DREAM. Goodnite Freddy, I'm sure you enjoying giving others nightmares with your hate and ideology.

[+] -5 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

You mean like Biden?