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Forum Post: ashley judd is not running

Posted 11 years ago on March 27, 2013, 8:16 p.m. EST by ericweiss (575)
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Kentucky Secretary of State Allison Lundergan Grimes has also been considering a Senate run & is backed by the Clintons



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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

I'm ok with that.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Ashley is too hollywood liberal for those Kentucky good ol' boys.

[-] -2 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

Hello there VQ. I see your still dodging but you can not hide here. So it's either now or later that you will need to come clean here on the forum. If you believe in truth, then have some intestinal fortitude and own up to your actions. Step up now. Make a post about your actions, ask forgiveness and promise to behave so we can move on.

BTW: "good ol boys"? Sounds a bit racist on your part.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

Looks to me like you're just a harassing son of a bitch, what the hell do you know about good old boys? Well I'm your huckleberry step on up.

[-] -3 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

My presumption was that he was being a bit derogatory, and a bit hypocritical when he jumps up and down at any comment that he says is racist, etc. Am I harassing him? Not really, he is running away from a couple of running threads and I have challenged him to finally come clean. He has a long history of multiple IDs, immature behavior, interruption, bumping his own posts, talking to himself through his IDs, and seeking attention for himself at the expense of everyone else here. I have asked him properly and have not been abusive. But he refuses to use any decorum or follow any rules. So I will continue to call him out until he gets honest with everyone. If the absentee moderators won't do their job, then I will.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

So you're the new sheriff in town are you? still look like a little shit to me.

[-] -2 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

What a thoughtful response. I guess you support his dishonest actions also. If you have integrity, you would be calling out VQ also. But instead you choose to insult me. Why not give an opinion on the issue I am confronting him with.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

What are you talking about?

"his dishonest actions also"?? What is VQ dishonest about?

"Was she considering running in your state? If not, then why discuss it."

When Yahoos vote in Bitch McConnells, we all suffer. Damn straight we're waking up the people of fucking Kentucky!! McTurtle should be prosecuted for treason!!

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

Read the rest of the thread and you will understand the point. As for VQ, his actions with multipe IDs, twinkling his scores, bumping his other IDs posts, talking to himself through his IDs, etc, and denials are about as dishonest as it gets. I got tired of it And I am calling him out for it. Just trying to get him to acknowledge his actions. Searching for some truth.

And as for your comment on the "yahoos" in Kentucky, who are you to impose your will on them? You can not have it only one way. What if the "yahoos" came into your town and spread money and influence to alter your local political landscape. And you would be fine with that? Read my comments and then you will realize the problem with money and influence in politics.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

VQ got erroneously frozen, when that happens you have to reopen with a new handle. I'm not for freezing, I believe in free speech, but it seems more Libs and Progs get frozen than Fascists, Anarchs and Cons. No deception on VQ's part, just accommodation of a stupid practice. If VQ is self-massaging his twinkle, who cares! Like Marriage Freedom, what biz is it of yours! Worry about yourself.

McTurtle and the brain-dead yahoos who elect him afflict and arrest the progress of the rest of the country with his insane filibuster, anti-democracy abuses. Pumping money into another state or district is RepubliCon/ALEC/Koch Bros. MO 101!! "Lying back and taking it" is RepliCon advice for rape victims, NOT in any way what Libs or Progs have or will ever do!!!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

I support kicking harassing assholes asses, you haven't actually said anything about Judd not running you have just come here to harass another poster with your bullshit, it's you that haven't said anything "thoughtful" you have only proved you're an ass. As far as what you have said you haven't said anything except a bunch of insults there is nothing for a thoughtful person to reply to as you have presented nothing.

[-] -3 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

Ashley Judd is just a name , typical of someone using that rather than substance. Both sides are quite guilty of that. And not my state, so doesn't matter. Was she considering running in your state? If not, then why discuss it. If we are here to support money and undo influence out of politics, should not we leave the people in their states to take care of their own business? The people that directly vote for their particular reps or senators, etc, should be the only ones supporting or not supporting them, not outsiders. That's part of the problem.

As for harassment: how is asking someone to be truthful suddenly harassment? And there are not any insults within my posts, and no abusive language. So your argument is quite weak. So by your answer should i assume you support dishonesty?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

If you think that Judd is not a actual person but "just a name" then I really wouldn't know where to start with such delusional a beginning.

So you think it inappropriate for people to talk about congresspeople from other states? I think that's stupid as shit.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

It seems you have a comprehension problem. Read it again. I know who she is. It's a person with a "name" who was considering running and the name brings celebrity fame to the table. What is difficult to comprehend there? Commenting is one thing, supporting or not supporting is another, which was the point of my comment. You are allowing your prejudicial emotions to cloud your thinking. And we do not need more celebrities in congress, we need normal, intelligent people that will represent us. I am against the influence from any outside agency that attempts to alter an electon outcome that is supposed to be decided SOLEY by the ones doing the voting for that particular candidate. Is that so dificult to understand? Do you recognize that this is part of the money out of politics problem? As is stands now, outside money will flow in to attempt to influence the voters to elect someone that benefits the outsiders more than the actual electorate. Weath inequality is a problem, but is minor compared to the corruption of government. All effort should be on this sole objective. Everything else is a distraction.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

yet here it would seem people are commenting here that's exactly what we do why would you confuse that with "supporting" except to try and make a debate point, which is builshit, a poster commented here you bitch about it then say it's a fine thing to do You're just a harassing sack of shit

I think that Al Franken has been a fine senator in spite of the fact that he was on the TV before, you should not be so judgmental about how people earn a living.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

It's the post you choose, now you complain? Like I said you're a little shit.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

Complain? Not sure of your meaning there. I answered your comment about Judd. Whether she runs or not is neither here nor there. What possible significance is it to any OWS objective? As to the goal for money and influence out of politics, you respond with nothing, except a meaningless remark.

Like I said, asked and answered.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago
[-] 0 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

As I said, it is not harassment to question anothers honesty which we all know the answer to. Where I did find him, I ask him. And that is calling it as I see it. If you want into the issue, then comment on his honesty and actions. I do not choose to read every post as I have other responsibilities and a life other than this forum. You did not even choose to respond to my Judd comment.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

So you hunt him and hound him with the questions, that's what I thought all along, it really didn't take that long to get you to admit the truth you harassing sack of shit. With so little time to spend here, hounding other posters is no doubt a better use of it than discussing the issues.

[-] 2 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

Admit to what? That VQ is a dishonest person whose activity has been an issue on the forum. That he needs to address his actions? I freely admit to the fact that i am trying to remind him to come clean and will continue to do so. If you want to defend him, that's your perogative, but does not change his actions or dishonesty. If you want to take sides, that's fine, but it puts you there with him and his actions, so not sure if you want that.

I do not hound posters. I read topics or answs of my choosing and comment accordingly when i choose to do so. Its a open forum. You also see to think that I am harassing him. Sorry, but requesting a person to admit to his dishonest action is not harassment, just trying to get some truth. And if that's a problem for you, then grow up.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

You admit to hunting him down to harass him, if you had a real issue you would make a post and let the community weigh in but you chase him around the site to harass him, if you don't like chatting with someone there are always others.

Off topic harassing comments are bullshit.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Simple answer is, VQ is manufacturing consent, while pretending to espouse #ows values. The two mindsets are at complete odds to eachother.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

How am I "Manufacturing consent"? Why don't you provide evidence of these made up immature personal attacks.

Better yet focus on the issues that benefit the 99%. That is the purpose of the forum,and that ALL I do.

You would do well to use my behavior as an example.

No immature, dishonest personal attacks.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

I am always suspicious of those that would claim to know the values of a leaderless movement. I know why I came to OWS I suppose you know why you came to speak of what motivates you is the value that Rules Them All as a far as OWS goes isn't it? I came to OWS because it was the only group at the time talking about wealth inequality and it's affects on society, perhaps you came for another reason but that does not mean all must conform to your reason, if you have a point of view, promote it, no one is stopping you, I welcome anyone willing to address the wealth inequality.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Liar! And I thought good 'ol boys WERE the racists.

You are harassing me! "long history multiple IDs, seeking attention at the expense of others"? Prove it, make sense, stop whining.

You have not asked properly and you are no authority TO ask at all.

You are a self appointed, arrogant, self important, delusional, obsessed fool, that I have smacked down numerous times for being anti women, anti gay, racist and generally anti Occupy.

You don't like my politics and so you harass me.

Many have given my their support in PM's. I encourage all to stand up to this kind of tyrannical abuse.

For my part I will continue posting important current information, & encouragements to act on the issues that Occupy has taken a stand on.

I will ignore you as often as possible, but I cannot submit to your delusional interrogations and harassment.

[-] -2 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

VQ. So now you claim that i am a Liar? Now that is just silly. I do not lie. And i have never ever been anti women, anti gay, racist, etc. that is quite a claim by you. I may disagree with your opinions, but not always. The problem that you have is that if one does not agree with your view, then that makes them a right winger, a repub, anti this or anti that. There is never any compromise. I have never cursed at you or anyone here. On the other hand, you can be quite offensive at times.

Now, It's time to own up to your behavior here on the forum. Your actions by your multiple personas are visible proof to anyone reading your posts here. You know that I am right. Your continuing dishonesty is only reduces any respect you may have left. I have asked very properly. I have been polite and not abusive. I have asked a simple request: that you make a special post to the forum and admit to your actions. Be truthful. The honesty invoice is past due! Time to pay up.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Nothing on the topic?

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

VQ. Since it is the Easter weekend, I will give you a 3 day reprieve. But I do expect you to consider your activity here and do what I have requested of you. It is the honest thing to do, and you know that. It's the first step to regain some respect. I believe that you do some good things here, but they are clouded by the dishonesty of all your other activity. I will expect that next week we see some truth about your actions from you posted on the forum, otherwise I will have to resume.

So I wish you and your family a Happy Easter holiday, sincerely, engineer4.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I am an atheist.

You have no power to "give me 3 days". If you think you do have that power then you have slipped your moorings.

But I do wish you an enjoyable holiday and encourage you to get in touch with your inner Christian, You can be a Builder of bridges or just a harassing bully.

Good luck. I will send good thoughts your way.


[-] -1 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

VQ Your choice and that's fine. it's still a holiday weekend, and yes, I can and will give you three days respite. Up to you whether or not I resume. Just think about it. It's not harassment, just asking politely for some honesty, that's all and that will be my last word unless otherwise....3 days.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Please stop harassing me!

Be a Builder, not destroyer.

[-] -2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

He is asking very politely VQkag.


[-] 4 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

we can always count on you to join in on the random harassment

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

That would be a 1st.

He couldn't resist an unfounded insult though.

I might discuss thread/topic info.with him, but I will not submit to his interrogation, or his immature, unfounded, accusations.

He has been so offensive and disrespectful that I will mostly ignore his childishness.

And in fact his comment was not polite at all. My question WAS!

THAT is the difference.

[-] -2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

All of those things you have accused him of & a whole lot more, you have been SUPER guilty of in the past

Have you turned over a new leaf? If so great! But 'the proof is in the pudding'

I love those old phrases. You? ;-)


[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I don't know what you're talkin about. I remember 1 occasion when I was mildly punished for an infraction.

Certainly since then I have focused my every free moment to contributing important current info, & encouraging action regarding the issues Occupy has taken a stand on.

Truth is he is just sore cause of disagreements he and I have had on issues, You should judge me by what I am doing. Not some infraction from last year.

Besides I did my time, paid my debt to society, double jeopardy is unfair.

Thanks for your continued understanding.

[-] -2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

Infraction...singular? come on man ...OK VQkag today is a new day


[-] -2 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

VQ. It's not my interrogation, but the forum wants you to come clean. Only you can rectify this with some honesty. Quit dodging. Time to come clean. There is nothing immature about asking someone to be honest. The immaturity is with the one who won't. If you want some respect, the it begins with some honesty about your behavior. Unfounded accusations? In your heart, you know I am right. Ball is in your court.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

You don't speak for the forum. I've received more support than you and your socks of harassment.

Focus on issues instead trying to silence me.

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (331) 11 years ago

VQ. I am not trying to silence you. I have never said that. Just want you to be honest with everyone and admit to your behavior here. You have equal rights here as anyone else, why would I possibly want suppression and censorship. I I just want some honesty from you. It is a simple request. You know I am right, so get on with it. Be responsible for your actions. Stop the denial. Only you can end this with good honest posting of your behavior. Your up.

[-] -3 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

This is getting old fast.

VQkag2 was not banned. He sent me a message just last week. Here it is. It clearly shows that VQ is still using that sock puppet for his game of stinkle finger as delusionman. His other IDs are imagine40, repubsRtheprob, 99nproud, and at least a dozen that he doesn't post with. Just uses to bump and stinkle. Psyche report is >>>padded cell<<< and make sure it has wifi. ;-)



Here is How You Do It.

Say the comment above this line is the different color link.

1) put your pointer on the link and left click - this will bring-up a pop-up menu - Click on the "copy link location" option.

2) go to where you pasted the article - find that statement again "Here is How You Do It."

3) put a bracket ( [ ) at each end of the statement.

Example : [Here is How You Do It.]

4) now don't put in any spaces. At the last bracket in the statement put a parenthacie "(" then with your pointer left click your cursor and your pop-up menu will appear again - this time click paste - and the link you copied will be placed - now all you do is place the final parenthacie ")"

5) example : Here is How You Do It.. When you save the comment it will be complete and your line will now be a highlighted link.

This one I had to save

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5408) 1 hour ago

here's one he linked me a while back.


Is it really that hard to believe that a political party would create a strategy to try and get voters? What do you think campaigns are? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink



This one had to be saved

[-] -2 points by Builder (3885) 3 weeks ago

It does indeed.

The leader (and all of the cultists) come from the planet Lesbos. (No men there) ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Private Messages

VQkag2 said 5 days ago at March 22, 2013, 8:31 a.m. EST (delete)

Why are you pickin a fight with me? My username is defunked and now I use another.

Please refrain from spreading unfounded lies about me.

It is never the thread topic and only reflects on the weakness of your position.

VQkag2 said 8 months ago at July 7, 2012, 10:42 a.m. EST (delete)

thank you mate

Builder said 8 months ago at July 7, 2012, 10:21 a.m. EST (delete)

Thankyou my friend.

Peace to you.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

More unfounded accusations. Just stop harassing me.

This thread is about Ashley Judd. Your comment is filled with lies and way off topic.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

Even after your banned though, you can send PMs. I'm going to save this and do some experiementing at a later time. Thanks


[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

The obsession with my now unusable username is the fixation you all should analyze.

You're all more interested in it's status than I am. I've asked 2 or 3 times what happened, you guys spend hours and hours obsessing over VQkag2 and this current ID.

As you say I am able to PM as VQkag2 but not post & vote.

This is so ridiculous. You would be amazed to know all the people who have offered their sympathies to me,

Please try to get over this silliness.

I am not voting inappropriately, and I post only with this ID.

That is more than I owe anyone. I hope I don't have comment again on this.

[-] -3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

I know, it is "silly," but it is not vicious, and it does give us all a respite from the more serious issues

Look at it as a kinda 'cyber teasing' amongst old warriors ;-)

Us being the OWS warriors & you being the Chieftain of the OWS Subverters....

It's just a matter of putting things in the propeper perspective VQkag. That's all.


[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

I thought a ban was total?

My mistake. He's not worthy of my time.

It's just sad that he floods the board with one liners. Not a good look.

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 11 years ago

No you can still PM

He really wasted my time

He had a lot of support back then though


[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I am satisfied with the important info, and encouragement to act related to issues occupy has taken a stand on, that I post.

You appear to spend your time attacking me.

I'll put my hundreds of occupy related one liner (w/ links) posts a day on topic, against your off topic schoolyard bullying any day.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 11 years ago

Well, that would explain why his numbers continued to climb at an incredible rate last night although every single comment of his (that I saw) was in the negative. You'd have to have at least two computers going at the same time to do that, one for the open forum and one to go back thru old threads. That's what I suspected was happening last night. Them are some busy fingers.

[-] -3 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Yes, and this is my last word on it.

Fixation is fulfilling only to fools.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 11 years ago

That is one serious fixation.

And now I will join you in making it the last word on the subject.

For awhile anyway. ;-)

[-] -3 points by antifascism (1) 11 years ago

who cares these people are puppets.

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

What a fucking hypocrite you are! You just get here and this is what you choose to comment on just to bitch, you’re a fuckhead

[-] -3 points by antifascism (1) 11 years ago

BTW I am not bitching, just stating facts. You one the other hand are quite the little bitch. I am anti-fascism, I guess you are not.

[-] 5 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

you little shit, like there aren't other things to talk about if you really didn't care about this post, you are the fucking puppet and you know it

[-] -3 points by antifascism (1) 11 years ago

So you are suggesting they are not puppets? I can see Jamie Dimon and Warren Bufffet pulling the marionette strings from here. What are you blind?

[-] 5 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

yeah Buffet is a lot more involved in string pulling than say the Koch bros

[-] -2 points by antifascism (1) 11 years ago

I never said the Koch bros. weren't into string pulling. You must have me confused. I am antifascist. I don't support any of these globalist cocksuckers. By the way go fuck yourself.

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

I don't think I have you confused at all.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Thank you

[-] -2 points by antifascism (1) 11 years ago

I can't figure out this site. Are these conformists or revolutionaries? If this is a representation of OWS no wonder it was so easy to disband it. Conformists always end up conforming in the end. You can't have a revolution with conformists. They always want to interject their badly outdated ideas.

[+] -7 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

At least her using Apple products = rape blog got a lot of press so now everyone knows what a moron she is.

"I board my flight. I turn on my iPad. I write this diary. I hurt, even as my life is dedicated to helping."

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Upd: Ashley pushed out?

Or scammed?


Was this a turtle man mission?

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

Guess I'm not the only one who thinks she's a twit.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Who thinks that?

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

Anybody with a brain I hope.


"My electronics, received as gifts or purchased, profit armed militias and support slavery. I am financing mass rape as I enjoy these ridiculously Global North ultra-efficiencies and conveniences"

ummmmm, so don't use them? But it's ok because she tells us that "I hurt, even as my life is dedicated to helping." Awww. How sweet.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

You sound bitter and out of touch.

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

You sound starstruck.

She and I have one thing in common. I also hurt, even as my life is dedicated to helping.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

New Yorkers never get star struck.

Is your hurt in your head?. Who have you helped?

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

All the suffering in the world hurts me as I try to help.

Does it not hurt you? Are you not dedicated to helping?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Of course I help. Been helping since the 1st time my mom and I brought food to the homeless.

What kind of helping satisfies you most.?

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

But do you hurt as well?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Bad back, achy joints, nothing to complain about. Just the result of a life of struggle, & work.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNL3G8PA2Ag

When things go from that, to what they currently are, it cannot be considered a incredible success, in terms of creating a real process for people.

But here's the thing- people in this country automatically go from one polar side to the other. Just because its not a total success, doesnt mean its a failure. God I get sick of that.

Instead of looking around at your next GA and thinking "everything is going as planned from a year ago"- which would require someone to have a baseline on it- think to yourself "what happened, and how can it be fixed now/for future movements".

Just because something has died down doesnt make it a failure. And it takes people addressing the problems and creating some real benchmarks for things to continue to grow. Simply waving pom poms and yelling on the internet "Great job guys!!" isnt adding anything of value.

Its why I thought the posts on consensus here a while back were so awesome, but also so needed. There needs to be a period of reflection on anything. Im sure after you got into the apartment business, you took a look back and reflected. Hopefully you learned a few things, and put them into play the next time. And hopefully you realized areas where you could improve, and attempted to.

Wanting to improve, and recognizing that NUMBERS MATTER, doesnt make someone a divisive negaitive person. Indeed, most great organizers are built around these things, because it allows for feedback. And feedback is critical if you are to realize where you stand, both in the present and compared to movements of the past.

Stop taking basic organizing and campaigning strategies as negative because you dont like to actually think about what is happening in relation to the grand scheme of things. That sir, is a good way to assure that NO progress is made.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I care about our efforts growing the movement, joining other like minded groups, helping more people.

You care about GA's, "the process" and the metrics.

To each his own. Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

"Ga's"? Who cares.? The movement is growing in issues we are taking a stand on, in like minded groups we are joining with, in people supporting our agenda, in # of actions we initiate or join, and therefore in # of people we help.

That's what matters to me, that's what will influence other groups & people. That's what will make change.

You're lookin at the wrong numbers, meaningless, misleading numbers. I'm lookin at the people helping people. You're lookin at bureaucracies.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

A GA is a bureaucratic entity now? And no one cares? Thats grand.

You never cease to amaze me Imagine40.


[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

You always bring up the parties. Occupy is less interested in politics and the partisanship ofthe duopoly. It's old and tired!

So the duopoly "shut us down"? LOL Whatta joke. You are sadly mistaken. We are more influential than ever. We grow despite the establishments oppression against us.

In fact we feed on that oppression. Andwe have grown as a result.

You have shown that you are out of touch and unaware of even the occupy actions in your own home town, clearly your ignorance extends beyond Tampa.

If you think we've been shut down you are unaware of all our growing actions.

We've only just begun. Hang on! We will ignore all the nattering nabobs of negativism and grow, and change the world.

You can gather numbers and snipe on the sidelines.


[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Grow? How many people were at your last GA?

The numbers dont lie. Its not a bad thing, but it needs to be discussed. Police tactics and Dem and Rep orders had their planned effect, but this time could be used to study and examine things.

Or just act like a kid in a candy factory.


Was that you in the background?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

And anyone who thinks any measurable change can come in 1 1/2 years is clearly ignorant of how powerful the corp 1% oligarchs are.

Rebuild or reform doesn't happen overnight. Either will take years of hard work.

You are not so naive to believe we could have succeeded so quickly. So you must be engaged in an effort to prevent these goals at the beginning of this great effort by criticizing and attempting to shut down the growing movement.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

No one is saying that there needs to be drastic change for a success, or that if there isnt, its a failure!!! Holy shit.

The Dems and Reps shut it down, incase you werent around then. Not me. Duh.

You never found yourself shaking your head at certain things? You cant see all the missed opportunities? Discussing these things is a GOOD thing...

Here ya go:


[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

We are growing a movement. It takes years of hard work.

We must no doubt yell "great job": Cause we are doing a great job, and good organizing includes encouraging "all non violent tactics"

"What happened"? You don't know? We started a movement!!!!

"wanting to improve" Who doesn't wanna improve?. Are you strawmanning again? Nothing is going as planned, nor will it. That is the value on encouraging many actions on many issues. Including "rebuilding". Do I have to give YOU the update on rebuilding?

Why do you pretend to be interested in rebuilding, then spend every moment putting reform efforts down, but know nothing about the rebuilding effort.

You must be at least smart enough to see that that shows dishonesty.

So what benchmarks are you following? What numbers do you have? Cause you clearly don't know what is happening in any occupy organizations. I've had to inform you about what your home town is doing.

You're a fuckin joke. You think YOU'RE a "great organizer"? Please. You only criticize,and you know nothing about your own occupy or the signature issue you pretend to support.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Im not a great organizer, but I know some pretty well at this point.

If you dont understand how the process worked, and what that was in retaliation to, then its pretty hard to discuss things. Anyone who participated in occupy, and then goes looking for their GA and takes a look around, will see how the rebuild effort went. And we can look at the stock exchange to see how the "reformers" did.

If you dont know what I mean by "what happened" then you are bigger fraud than I previously thought. Theres a difference between encouraging action vs mindless cheerleading. One is effective, the other is embarrassing.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

The fact that you think anyone won or lost that last conversation shows where your heart and head is.

I dont consider your confusion a loss. Why would you consider occupy GA's ceasing for the most part as a win?

Self governance. The process was the movement. "They" wont listen so the people decided to start it themselves. Where is the state of "rebuild"? Im not sure what that means, except to say that the process was the goal, and there isnt much of that process anywhere anymore.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I never said I consider "occupy GA's ceasing....as a win" That's you makin things up again. And further proves that your positions can't stand up to the truth.

And further shows that you lose!!!!

You do not speak for "the movement" you don't even know what occupy is doing in your own town. The movement is certainly not limited to one thing "the process". That is nonsense.

This movement is many things. Defined by many people, Not just me, or you.

And we will NOT be limited by the nattering nabobs of negativism!

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Again, this is a discussion board. You have been trained to think in a white vs black, left vs right and wrong vs right model. Its not your fault, its part of the plan, but it needs to be realized. The goal is not to win or lose, although that happens, Ive "lost" on plenty of occasions. I thought that disability was paid out of the ss portion of the pig trough, it turns out its paid out of the general area.

No one person speaks for anything, you are correct.

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

Well. I guess yu either don't care as much as Ashley or you don't use Apple products.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Not competing with Ashley, and don't separate Apple products from the many products we all use made in 3rd world countries by exploited workers.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Arguing with the forum mascot, and the multiple handles, is summed up perfectly in this video:


Enjoy :)

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

You don't speak for me and ain't askin for your opinion so please refrain from telling me how I think.

You do not know!

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

I use one.

Resorting to lies and childish youtube videos only shows your just sore cause I whupped your sorry ass like an old salvation army drum. Again!!!


[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

I can't believe he uses Apple products. I heard from that woman who was in the Tooth Fairy that Apple products equal rape. Tsk tsk. He should wear the cone of shame again.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

She is not a moron and that would be the problem.

[+] -4 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

Please. That article is jaw dropping in its hypocrisy. Especially when she tweeted this later. Notice how many exclamation points her iPhone warranted.

"My delight for the day?? An iPhone app w/ @dariofranchitti!!!"

The better tweet came from a woman who is NOT a moron

"Guess what Ashley Judd, I was raped. Minerals are not rape. Apple products are not rape. Get your head out of your ass. Yes, I went there."

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

Tweets are the be all and end all.

She isn't a moron. Politics is a bunch of gangbangers with plastic little smiles. Either she was going to run or she was not going to run and given the right wing was already gearing up out of fear it makes the whole damn thing nothing more than entertainment.

[+] -5 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 11 years ago

This headline made me laugh in its "Onion-ness"

"Ashley Judd won’t run for Senate; Everybody except the Democratic Party kind of upset about it"

You are right about the entertainment part. I'd never heard of that pretentious piece she wrote until recently, when so many people jumped all over it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

I'm not upset. It was an either/or deal. I don't find her view point pretentious. The Democrats are so paranoid at this point that they didn't really want Ashley Judd unless the rest of the US wanted Ashley Judd. Even if the US demonstrated that they would back her they would still keep her at arms length............just in case the US decided at some point that they didn't want her. Then they could issue a lot of pretentious crap out. The Right Wing decided that they didn't like her and the Dems say, "Well, ok."