Forum Post: Are you angry that the 1% ordered the police to violently attack American citizens who were peacefully protesting? Are you as furious as I am that they shot U.S. Marine (Iraq war veteran) in the head w/tear gas canister? HERE'S HOW WE WIN THIS...
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 26, 2011, 8:38 p.m. EST by therising
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The answer is the most powerful force on earth: active forceful non-violent resistance.
Gandhi beat the British out of India wearing only a bedsheet. No weapons. Martin Luther King, Jr. and his supporters followed Gandhi's lead and won civil rights for millions. They had a spirit dogs can't bite. It would serve us well to see the film Gandhi, read his autobiography, read King's autobiography and Gene Sharp's seriea on tactics of non-violent resistance and civil disobedience.
POWERFUL. The elite and their police forces know what to do with violence and most citizens turn away from a movement as soon as it turns violent. They are absolutely CONFOUNDED AND BEFUDDLED by non-violence though because no matter how they react, they look bad.
They are praying in the board rooms and country clubs that this turns violent. Police will try to provoke violence and private security firms bankrolled by corporations have already tried to provoke violence. It would be their dream because most of the 40-60% of Americans who support the movement will turn away if we become violent.
So, at root, this is a battle for the heart and minds of the American public. And the way we win that battle is with non-violence.
Non-violence is NOT week. Not even a little bit. It's the most courageous act imaginable.
This is from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Letter from the Birmingham Jail":
"Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent-resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood."
"The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation."
Here's the entire "Letter from the Birmingham Jail": http://abacus.bates.edu/admin/offices/dos/mlk/letter.html . It's a treasure and is as timely as ever.
I'm as mad as you are. I feel like I could throw a Volkswagon across the parking lot. But I know that violence is EXACTLY what the 1% wants and I'm not going to give that to them.
Note: It was never an accident that there were cameras and reporters around when King and Gandhi intentionally provoked the opposition. Gandhi and King were masters of media.
Let's make this happen. Let's win this. With great force. Victory is within our grasp if we use non-violent tactics.
Note: If provocateur tries to incite violence, we need to immediately sit down and say "This person is not one of us. We are non-violent." We must practice this so it is an automatic reaction when provocateur does his thing. If we follow this tactic, the story on the nightly news that night will be that provocateur standing there alone looking ridiculous. And we'll win even more support.
With violent emotional reaction, we lose.
With active tactical non-violent resistance, we win BIG!
Why do the people in Egypt have more of a right to assemble then we do?
Our cities Mayors are the ones revoking our right to assemble. While our President remains silent on America's violation of civil rights he openly supported Egypt's citizens rights. Here are a few quotes, from President Barack Obama, this year.
"I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose."
"Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere."
Pick up the phone, make the call. Seek answers. Semper Occupare
I hope you ask that question a thousand times in a thousand comments sections of newspapers etc across the globe.
I don't have to be the only one...
Of course :). :). :)
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Thanks! There's another dollar for Occupy Oakland. This is fun :) http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-have-monetized-trolldom-for-the-benefit-of-the-/#comment-223231
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Dude. Pay attention. Whose post got bumped?
So we shouldn't have as much right to assemble as Egyptians because people might get raped or killed?
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Thanks! There's another dollar for Occupy Oakland. This is fun :) http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-have-monetized-trolldom-for-the-benefit-of-the-/#comment-223231
why did Obama and Hillary Clinton rejoice at providing guns and ammunition to rebel fighters in Libya even though some fighters were even thought to be Al Qaeda in the name of freedom and democracy and yet Obama doesn't seem to have enough power in his own country ( the most powerful person in the world ) to discreetly instruct the police chiefs not to be heavy-handed? What is wrong with this picture?
The answer is.................Obama is ultimately NOT in charge. Obama is a puppet, Bush was a puppet, the Congress with a few exceptions are puppets. We do NOT have a representative country any longer. Look at American opinion polls that show support for OWS !!! Yet the police still beat with clubs, spray toxic liquids into peoples faces and fire tear gas into peaceful protesters. The police do what they are told, their orders trickle down from the top. The top is not elected officials. The "top" is made up of an oligarchy of men that finance the campaigns.
totally agree ! Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs has got more power than Obama and they even financed the election campaign. This is why there is absolutely no difference between the two main parties and in fact one conspiracy theory has been that those that are truly in charge and pulling the strings of power such as the banksters are deliberately making Obama look terrible so that there will be a huge relief after the next president comes but that in fact he or she will be even more draconian in the name of the puppet masters. That's why it is so important to tackle these people now
I actually believe that the struggle for control of wealth is very real - that these are parties of opposition.
So when the republicans obstruct and democrats cave without a struggle, these are parties of opposition? They are working together.
Here's the wiki article on the Commission on Presidential Debates. They are Republican and Democrat controlled and privately funded by corporations and foundations. They control what questions are asked and what candidates are allowed to participate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates
No they are parties of opposition. The intent of all is to eliminate the other.
I disagree, they do nothing to eliminate each other. IMO, they are parties of opportunism and will cooperate because it is to their advantage. They put on a show to inspire people to pick sides, but whatever side you pick, you lose.
maybe but both with equal contempt for the constituents they are meant to be representing
It's not a contempt. When you enter the political realm it opens a whole new world of possibility and to continue to entertain these possibilities in the mind, you may find you have to alter or restructure your image. And it's one that favors the polity over the individual concerns of others. You can't advance or get closer to the source of power unless you not only conform but find a rather specific and worthy niche. To put this another way, there's a human element that resides in all of us and without extreme sense of conviction, or the presence of some humbling force, we will gravitate towards an element whose very purpose is to derive a greater portion of its share.
more simply put they are all open to corruption
I think all of us are, without the presence of some force capable of humbling us. And I hate to say this because I'm a very casual person, but if you examine religions worldwide, they all represent the one force capable of humbling all societies. All require that we defer to some higher authority. If you examine even native African religions, all must bow and relinquish their arms in humility as they enter the temple, even if that temple is just a grass hut. Our ancestors, despite all the hoopla about "Deism" (all of which is utter nonsense) knew humility and were well aware of its source within the human mindset.
Wait a second. I could have sworn I saw Rubio the other day say that the mission was won by France and the British, but now you are saying we led the mission? I'm confused, if things go right in Libya its the British and French who get credit but if things don't go the way you want them to, It's Obama and Clinton's fault? Have you ever met a police chief? They barely listen to their own City Managers / Mayors, much less what someone outside their system has to say. If anything, they would be challenged by it. Besides, what the hell does this have to do with the people in Egypt having more freedom to assemble than we do.
you are so out of touch with reality I don't even know where to begin
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330
If Obama thought it was okay to " authorize covert U.S. government support for rebel forces "why can't he authorise covert operations on his own soil to stop them shooting American citizens if he can't be seen to get directly involved?
And this means what exactly? And is this a bad thing? Now you are feeling nostalgic for good ole Quadaffpot? Remember back during the Reagan era, when Saddam was our ally against Iran and we supplied him with weapons and when Osama was our ally against Russia in Afganistan and we supplied him with weapons? The good old days. BTW, what the hell does this have to do with the people in Egypt having more freedom to assemble than we do?
it has everything to do with it because it highlights the absolute hypocrisy and duplicity of Obama and his cronies
Obama, cronies. 25 years ago = Reagan, cronies. The more things change... Makes me wonder if is really even matters who is elected anymore.
They want us to keep fighting these petty partisan skirmishes; keeps us nice and busy.
I want you to remember this and who told you this: In 10 years from now, we will be allied with Al Quada, under a Republican president, fighting some other enemy. It won't seem weird, it won't seem abnormal, and it will seem strangely patriotic.
And one more thing : oceania has always been at war with eastasia
Because they value power and wealth above life.
Federal intervention into state matters can be construed as the beginning of martial law, which comes with it so many other problems. That's essentially why he will not intervene in any way.
in that case how about just a few words of condemnation from his Democrat friends such as that ding bat Nancy Pelosi bearing in mind this all occurred not so far from her district? not a word from anyone
In my opinion: election, election, election.
Excellent point !! The silence from Washington is deafening !!!!
Stop you petty partisan fighting. That is what they want the little people to do, fight their little Democrat and Republican skirmishes. The entire system needs to change. And I know one little way that will scare the shit out of both parties.
Yes you suffer from the same thing that broke me. A complete belief system crash. Why do they condition us as Americans Mom and apple pie, Leave it to Beaver and then BOOM we are living in China under Mao.
good question!
Because they lack this thing of civil society.
So the more civil a society the less rights the people have?
Civility is evolutionary in that it dissuades schism. The more civil we are, the more capable we are of resolving differences without the violent reaction that leads to schism. Schism fragments society. On the evolutionary scale it is exactly what lead to the splits that formed all of the descendant or inter related tribes. Native Americans - an estimated 250 tribes - three separate migrations, all are but derivatives of an original three tribes. The differences that develop within a tribe, and create schism, regardless of the issues that might initiate it, are always resource based. We are a territorial creature... And America was highly inhabited, populated, by natives as neighbors occupying specific and constantly renegotiated territories as a result of schism. As availability of land diminishes, for which another might inhabit, the need for civility increases.
In the civil society, we voluntarily defer in an effort to resolve. So it's not a question of who has more rights (we do, which is a whole 'nuther story) but a question of who is most willing to defer.
The Egyptian demonstrations will likely result in many deaths with little or no negotiation. Survival of the fittest...
Nice cultural anthropological explanation. But It looks like it boils down to: We shouldn't complain about our more limited rights to assemble than the Egyptians because we have more, other, rights. Besides, we need to voluntarily defer or desire to assemble because by doing so, it will resolve things.
OWS is centered in a city of some 8 - 10 million people. If you'd rather not be civil, have at it. But recognize that civility exists for a reason. This isn't a question of enumerated rights but a question of law.
On the other hand, perhaps it would be more prudent to move your protest to Egypt. Take a little firepower with you though because you're going to need it.
I'm not so sure that having the right to assemble and civility are mutually exclusive. OWS is centered in a City of some 8 - 10 million people because WS is centered in a City of some 8 - 10 million people. Not sure why we would want to move our protest to Egypt. Their protest predated ours, was the inspiration for ours, plus theirs continues...
No matter how you define it, I am not convinced that they are possessed of a right to assemble in such a manner. I think this encampment fails the test of Constitutionality. Nor do I see Egypt as in any way more tolerant.
Lets see: Amendment I "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Now I'm not a constitutional scholar, but it looks like our Constitution protects the right to assemble. I don't know what the heck Egypt's Constitution (if they even had one when the protests began) says, but if it doesn't allow the right to assemble, one would have to wonder: Why do the Egyptians have more of a right to assemble than we do?
Well, have you ever considered that they might be 95% Muslim? And therefore subject to Sharia law, which is extremely limited in scope? Not only do they not have a right to assemble, they have no right to live either.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Gee, I didn't see it through the Sharia angle lens. Good one! They don't have the right to assemble therefore they are...not assembling. Who am I gonna believe, you or my lying eyes? One more thing: oceania has always been at war with eastasia
No law in Egypt. News to me.
The reason there is no law against assembly is that they have no law. Rocket science, right?
Exactly right !!
We have to channel this energy into productive nonviolent resistance. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
It's time to rise up nonviolently.
We must remain non-violent
The movement definitely has to stay non-violent. Regular folks will stay away if it gets violent.
Ot's time for the rise of the 99%. Rise up. Rise up!!
Totally agree.
i notice that when the police attack the media says a demonstraion turned violent.
I have seen the same. Very frustrating. That's what happens when 5 corporations own all the news outlets.
yep
But Internet is changing that
The United States constitution explicitly provides for 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'" in the First Amendment.
Why do the people in Egypt have more of a right to assemble then we do?
Right on!
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNWZZaPripQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Ccordinarion among the occupations is key.
It's time for the 99% to coordinate and rise.
Arrest criminals Bush sr.House of Rothschild,Rockefeller and all connected to them seize their assets,distribute the wealth to all people,the ones these transnationals stole it from..Until you put these scuz out of commission we will not have peace..they own the government,the federal resrve,the supreme court control most of the money supply..they have enough money to make every one on the planet well off..
Nonviolence is powerful.
We will not win with violence. It is our cooperation that gives them power. If you do not cooperate, they cannot operate.
This is a publication by Gene Sharp, an associate of Howard Zinn. It is based on over forty years of research on nonviolent struggle and what works best. It's called From Dictatorship To Democracy. http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf
Powerful stuff!!!!!!!!!
It's time for humanity to rise up non-violently against the corporate machine that has had a hold on the collective American psyche for too long.
Very good post. It's true. If a society is making a "change" trough a violent revolution means that the society is not ready for a change. If we don't react in the same way as our oppressor act, we will break the pattern of cause-and-effect. We will be free from our manipulative mind.
Injustice is making me, very violent, but I realised that violence cannot help in any way.
The only receipt of a Real Evolution is non-violence.
Yes!! Thank you teociontu
Rise and shine. It's time for humanity to rise.
I'm angry that Bloomberg stole my 2 generators from ZUCCOTTI PARK!
I was concerned you were going to say violence. because honestly... they sorta have some decent weapons of war... haha
Agreed. Great post.
Thanks OurTimes
No prob. I seem to have a messaging issue....403 msg...
I had it too but it went away somehow. I'm not a techy so I don't understand that stuff.
If you want change it needs to go from #OWS to #ODC and demand Change like the declaration of independence states We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. a march on washington is need and a message to congress clear make changes or its time to get out and put people in who will make the changes needed.
Good point !!
Rise rise rise and be free
There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
You are correct. It would only take one violent act by a protester for the police to respond with ultra violence and a loss of support from Americans. The next thing that should be done is to come up with realistic demands, something that would start the ball rolling towards REAL change in this country. Americans should DEMAND that Wall Street fraud be PROSECUTED. That is what the 1% is truly afraid of !! Focus on this one HUGE demand and the American people will get behind the OWS protests in a big way. Also, Washington DC, and the FED should BOTH be occupied to let them know they can not take over the OWS movement for votes with token lip service !!!
Specific next steps.... http://occupywallst.org/forum/lets-gather-in-dc-and-follow-this-specific-plan-th/#comment-226146
Those are ALL very good demands. The demands call for reform of the political process and justice for the criminals that socialized losses on to the American people.
But from what I have heard OWS wants even more and more government and controls by the STATE, more STATE programs, more STATE regulators, more STATE....is this not what the STATE is, but violence, coercion, intimidation?
Nope.
Great Post! The simple truth is that if we want peace and justice we must go about getting it with peace and justice. Otherwise the whole tiresome cycle just starts all over again, and man is it tiresome! Einstein said it when he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "The atomic bomb has changed everything, except the way people think."
Fear is our worst enemy - fear of the future, fear of one another, fear of scarcity. The is no lack of anything necessary for human survival except compassion.
I agree. Compassion is key.
Rise up
We don't know the precise shape of our future, but we know that it is ours. Having endured everything, we realize that we CAN endure everything. We realize this paradoxically by the failure of moral energy on the part of our oppressor and we begin to forge the principals on which new way of life will be built. (paraphrasing Jamea Baldwin)
Great post.
We shall overcome.
Vigilance instead of revenge. We have a chance to rise above....
We need to realize how absurd it is that the 1% have been ruling over and exploiting 99% of the population for decades. The only way they could pull this off is to keep us divided, bickering amongst each other. Those days are over. The jig is up.
Remember that the supposed reason for the attacks on Americans in Oakland was that protesters were throwing things at officers. No one has any evidence of this. None. Show me some. All I found was a video of Americans running to the aid of an unconcious person and having a riot-projectile thrown at them.
Ghandi and MLK were both shot dead by assassins. The Oakland police purposefully and willfully hurt those protesters with shock grenades and tear gas canisters. Blood was shed and kids were hurt. Words and pacifism against guns and chemical weapons? The upper echelon is laughing at the thought - and it's their dollars that are securing the police presence. The rich will wake up and listen when they hurt too. Pacifism works with ideological fights, not with people who don't give a rat's ass about anyone else.
I support your right to gather and bitch, but when you start acting like a pack of hyenas throwing bottles and breaking shit you deserve to get your head cracked. Behave yourselves!
I'm just as angry that occupy protesters are vandalizing Oakland and basically failing at Non-violence.
The people united and nonviolent can never be defeated.
Stay strong! Stay nonviolent
Let's unify, stay strong, stay forceful and stay non-violent.
Let's win this.by sticking to nonviolence. It's forceful. It's powerful. It 's proven. It works.
Kings words say nonviolent action forces the community to confront the ISSUE. The ISSUE as I see it is we need to restore the balance between the economy and the environment by transitioning away from production based on petroleum to a economy based on Industrial Hemp. this way we will create a new healthy economy. this is the way ahead folks. Oberon.
It's OK to be angry. But let's channel it into productive non-violent tactical action.
This would be ideal but the have already attacked and brutally beat people for peaceful assembly. Its because they are scare the People of this nation are standing up and voicing/demanding "TRUE CHANGE" because they believe that this country is in RUINS DUE TO GREED AND POLITICS!!! http://therevolutionarytruth.tumblr.com/
The greatest wish of the elite is that we react non-violently right now. That would be their dream come true. They know what to do with violence. But they are absolutely baffled and befuddled by non-violence. America will rally around Occupy Wall Street even more now.
I have seen people arrested for withdraws of their $, beatin and sprayed for no reason at all and nothings is changing, but if we do turn violent they get what they want and its sad how our own countrymen beat us down and smear us because we care about this nation!!!!! http://therevolutionarytruth.tumblr.com/
We will win. I am absolutely positive. I have spent 20 years studying non-violent movements and I know this is within our grasp. We have to dedicate ourselves to provocative non-violent to win the hearts and minds of America and they will have our back every step of the way. Please spread the word.
I'll spread the truth about whats really going on and CHANGE WILL HAPPEN!!! http://therevolutionarytruth.tumblr.com/
I asked radio host "Normangoldman" to explain this situation to me of no avail. First, the unionized police, fire, first-responders embraced as a key entity dismissed by the 1 percent- think Madison, Wisconsin. Now, through some strange vortex, the police/keepers of order have become "boots on the ground". Yet, there is no empathy to the fact that local budgets and resources are being stretched to keep the OWS encampments safe. Likewise, the local business entities and people which reside in these zones have been rather giving. I in no way condone brutality in any guise or form. When resources are being diverted from accidents, homicides, and other unseemly local events in order to placate the needs of OWS......stress is mounting. Just another vantage point.
How did the one percent "order this"?
Outstanding point! This logic will evade most of them, I hope you know that.
Do you think the police work for poor people?
First responders care for those in need regardless.
HA HA HA!!!! What world do YOU live in?
I've seen our 'first responders' operate just the opposite. I bet our Iraqi war veteran in Oakland would disagree with you, as well.
yeah, right.
Agree. Totally. 100%. It takes much more courage to refrain from violence than to allow your enemy to raise your ire and strike back in rage.
I posted this great commentary by Karl Denninger on the outrage at OWS Oakland http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-know-who-the-felons-are-they-wear-badges-ows-oa/
Cool. I'll definitely check it out. Thanks.
perhaps the phrase can be shorten to "We are non-violent"
Sounds good
You really think corporations are paying off the police. I doubt that.
Om. Who do you think the police work for? People in poor neighborhoods???
B.S
NYPD received $4 million from JP Morgan. The police forces are nothing more than private security organisations for the oligarchy banksters
Wonder what the nyPd budget is? $4M wouldn't seem to be enough to buy a police department, now would it. You want to believe these "evil bankster" conspiracies so badly that no matter what they do in your mind, it's evil. If they donate money to any organization, they're buying them off, if they don't they uncompassionate, greedy overlords. How convenient for you! I could care less whether OWS gets violent or has paper airplane throwing parties. The more of these delusional threads I read, the more intentionally dramatized videos I see of some hysterical girl screeching that her buddy got arrested or some punk standing walking slowly a couple feet in front of police videotaping them, the more I'm rooting for the cops.
you're probably a white shirt
Probably not. Take another hit.
You didn't hear about the cool 4+ million donated to the NYPD from where?
You Betcha! Wall St.!!!!
get real!
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm
http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/01/jp-morgan-funded-nypd-mass-arrests-over-700-peaceful-occupy-wall-street-protesters/
The Intel Hub October 1, 2011 The NYPD has arrested over 700 protesters who were occupying the Brooklyn Bridge in what could very well be a defining moment in the battle for freedom and liberty in America. The police apparently corralled the protesters(depending on whose story you believe) onto the Brooklyn Bridge and then started their arrests of American citizens protesting the very banks that have destroyed this country from within. The NYPD is essentially doing the dirty work for the banks, which makes complete sense when you consider the fact that JP Morgan actually FUNDS The New York City Police Department. That’s right, the very police department that has been filmed numerous times beating and macing the Occupy Wall Street protesters has received a considerable amount of money from the very banks that the protesters are targeting!
B.S You OWShitters no nothing about freedom. You do not wnat freedom, you exspect govenrnment tyranny to give you everything you want. TYRANTS! LIERS!
The police are having their pockets picked by wall street just like the rest of us. How's their pension fund looking theses days?
Good point.
http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JPMorganNYPDDonation.png
...they have been given money. Yes, their pockets have been picked just as everyone's. However, as it says in that statement this is largest 'donation' in history that NYPD has ever received in order to "strengthen security in the Big Apple." Coincidence? I don't think so.
Maybe so but they need to be educated about how their pockets are being picked just like the rest of us ---------the banking system belongs to all of us because we insure it thru the FDIC it should not be a piggy bank for gamblers to pull cash from. Cops keep their money in them to and if they are not on you side it's only because they are not educated about the how dysfunctional the system is.
Actually cops dp pretty well with their pensions. Let's see them react if/when they get their pensions stolen. Probably in an anti social manner. http://www.merge-left.org/2011/10/06/more-occupy-wall-street-coverage-including-matt-bai-is-a-professional-idiot/ "Excuse me, when I was a young reporter in the mid-1970s I remember cops marching across the Brooklyn Bridge to protests Mayor Abe Beame laying off cops and other municipal workers.
On Sept. 16, 1991, I covered a mob of 10,000 furious city cops storming across the Brooklyn Bridge to City Hall to protest the establishment of a police monitor. Some of those cops stomped across parked cars, jumped police barricades, assaulted journalists, and mobbed the steps of City Hall chanting, “Take the Hall, Take the Hall,” some referring to Mayor David Dinkins as “a men’s room attendant.”
Mayoral candidate Rudy Giuliani addressed them like a firebrand, using the word “bull—-,” to describe Dinkins policies.
For shame.
But I didn’t see cops rounded up in orange nets like the catch of the day. Didn’t see 700 of them bussed off to Rikers in cuffs."
In fact they even slashed the tires of cars that were trapped on the bridge during their riot.
No I'm not.
tonight. they're staging in tribeca right now. they have hundreds staging and have the roads closed. they're going to pinch you to the hudson.
they're coming for you>
"Let's make this happen. Let's win this. With great force. Victory is within our grasp if we use non-violent tactics."
I'M WITH YOU 100%, "therising". THANK YOU for posting this!!!!