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Forum Post: We know who the felons are - they wear badges - OWS Oakland

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 26, 2011, 8:58 p.m. EST by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD
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This is a chilling and dead on article from Karl Denninger commenting on the attack against OWS Oakland protestors.

An excerpt:

I don't care if you hail from the left or right, or what your particular view of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement is. The fact of the matter is that we no longer have the foundational principle of this nation underlying our nation: The Rule of Law.

That's the difference between a Constitutional Republic and tyranny.

In a Constitutional Republic you do not have the rule of 100 jackbooted thugs wearing badges, discharging firearms (albeit - thus far - with rubber bullets) at people, tossing bombs into their midst and gassing them. You also don't have jackbooted thugs in blue shooting unarmed people in the back. Any rogue individual who attempts such a stunt goes straight to prison to rot along with the common mugger or murderer, because he or she is one and should an entire agency show up to commit these acts the immediate response is that the National Guard rises and arrests the entire agency, tossing all of them into the clink where they belong.

Today, however, this sort of abusive crap is exactly what we have in this nation and The Guard, who has sworn an oath to protect this land against all enemies, foreign and domestic, is nowhere to be found.

Those in California (along with those in both New York and Chicago) are discovering the hazards of their failure to demand that entire Constitution be strictly enforced in favor of the rights of the people.

Now you see the consequences of that failure America. You thought you were trading "a bit" of freedom for alleged security. What you were really doing is ceding your rights to a band of gang-banging felons-in-blue who have now demonstrated their clear intent to gas, bomb and even murder you.

Read whole article:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=196582

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[-] 5 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

There's good news and bad news

The good news is most everybody has a video camera in their phone

The bad news (for the police) is that every move they make is being filmed. Before it was just the protesters that were being filmed

When people who were not paying attention to OWS get to see who is starting the violence and using excessive force to stop freedom of speech, they will also join in. Nobody likes a police state! Well at least the 99% don’t like it.

[-] 3 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

Damn straight!! That is how we win.

Every act of violence and injustice on the part of the police and/or military towards the people will go viral and only galvanize OWS.

As long as we remain PEACEFUL, then every incidence of police brutality will only win more and more Americans to the cause of OWS.

Police brutality is the BEST recruiting tool for OWS. It is tragic what happened to that marine; I understand he is in critical condition. However there will be more incidents just like this one.

[-] 2 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

Everybody filming is our very best defense

It keeps the "rogue police" and the planted instigators in line

And also any protesters that resort to violence also get filmed

I don't want to be disrespectful to the vast majority of the police force who are good hard working people with a shitty job. But there are idiots and control freaks in all walk of life

[-] 1 points by JeffCallahan (216) 8 years ago

Most police unfortunately are not good quite the opposite the are accessories they have a code amongst themselves that dictates they will stand by while there fellow officers commit crimes against humanity and further that they will act collectively to cover it up.

[-] 0 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

I respectfully disagree

I am not saying that there are no bad cops. I am sure there are plenty of crooked cops. Their are priest that molest children. but not all priest are bad. Same with cops

I think we all make a mistake when we sterotype too much.

I always assume they are straight up and honest and once in a while get fooled

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

I agree. Ultimately, the police are also part of the 99%. The best way is to win them over by appealing to their own want for the future to be better for them and their children. Perhaps we won't get the higher-ups, but the rank-and-file policemen should be our natural allies.

Eventually they'll be laid off and have their pensions stolen, too. It's just they happen to still be useful - they have to protect the government from us.

[-] 1 points by JeffCallahan (216) 8 years ago

If you don't think taking an oath to a wall of silence committing to lye and cover up by any means necessary the crimes those fellow officers commit against humanity. Doesn't make them "bad cops" then I guess you are right. However, I must say your standards seem very low.

[-] 1 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

Where do you get your information?

Unless you have some good sources, you are just making stuff up.

I know some cops, family members. So you are telling me they took a secret oath

What city are you talking about

[-] -1 points by justhefacts (1275) 8 years ago

Read the live blog from Oakland Tribune. Scott Olson was injured NOT because he was an innocent camper OWS protester, but because he joined the AFTERNOON protesters that came back against the law and against the police.

THAT group was NOT peaceful and threw bottles, paint and rocks at the police and busted out the window of a police cruiser WHILE the police were repeatedly telling them to leave and that tear gas etc was going to be used on them.

The only people you're going to recruit after stunts like this are more rioters and violent fringers. People are watching this movement like hawks and they ARE watching everything. Don't be hasty to believe the cops are the bad guys and don't lie to the public. They DO know.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

Read the whole blog and see if you agree with my comment below.

[-] 2 points by Faithntruth (997) 8 years ago

Imagine if tea partiers had been treated like this...the guy who wore a gun to a rally, for example, being taken down on the spot. It would have been insanity, but they still do not recognize that they are part of the group that is being screwed and having our rights erased, even as they fiercely protect the 2nd amendment... They refuse to listen to news from anyplace other than their approved sources, and so they become controlled by those sources. Have you seen fox's latest? OWS is Acorn. LOL! It is amazing the crap that network puts out.

[-] 2 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

Don't blame the rank-and-file Tea Partiers - the truth is coming out and they will realize it soon enough. Both parties and all of the mainstream networks are all bought off. They all lie.

Also, both liberals and tea partiers are guilty of what I call cafeteria Constitutionalism - they only defend the parts of the Constitution that they think are important. Both of them are wrong: "Those in California (along with those in both New York and Chicago) are discovering the hazards of their failure to demand that entire Constitution be strictly enforced in favor of the rights of the people".

If you're going to defend the Constitution - you have to defend the whole thing. And you also have to demand that your government actually follow the Constitution, instead of giving lipservice and then gutting it in the same breath.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 8 years ago

I know the TP crowd sincerely believe what they believe, but those beliefs will inhibit persuading them because OWS is not part of how they self identify.

How many news channels or sources do you look at? I have about fifteen that have different ideological foundations and I'll compare how they report the same news items, looking for their biases. then I try to discern truth from common threads and from the parts that are misreported or even left out by different sources.

Did you know that first president bush admitted on live tv that he knew all about Iran contra? I saw it myself. Never made the news, though, did it?

After living overseas for three years and seeing foreign media, I know our own media heavily edits what we are allowed to see. This was about 20 years ago, though, and foreign media has since gone downhill as well.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 8 years ago

The US Constitution does NOT establish or protect the right to "camp out in public and defy city laws as long as you call it peaceable assembly". The minute you break the law-no matter what warm fuzzy name you give it such as "civil disobedience"-you become violators of the laws established BY civil society.

Our civil society established and supports a police force for the specific purpose of maintaining order and removing those who defy the laws from the presence of the rest of society. That is part of the Constitution's purpose-to "insure domestic tranquility".

[-] 0 points by MJMorrow (419) 8 years ago

I recall going for a job interview at News Corp. I met a producer of a Fox 5 News show. She did not know the name of a Tri-State U.S. Senator, even though she passed a train station, with his name on it, every day and she lived in the very state he is a U.S. Senator. Remember that when a Fox mouth piece is rallying around the Neo Con rant about the unemployed not having qualifications and how they all had to earn their careers, the hard way! Aparently you can produce a TV show, on a News network and not know the name of one of your own U.S.Senators! Best of the best...indeed! [giggle]

p.s. Wouldn't it be nice to give the news personalities a basic comprehension test on basic things they should know, like the names of their Sentators and what not, so we can expose them for the sillyheads they are! [wink]

[-] 2 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 8 years ago

He makes a good point. When the cops use a stun grenade, it's no big deal. If a civilian had one of those things it would be considered a bomb.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

We live in a police state.

They set it up while everyone was watching American Idol.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 8 years ago

OWS is causing a police state in every city they are set up in. People aren't stupid. They can tell both cause AND effect.

[-] 1 points by JeffCallahan (216) 8 years ago

If you don't believe me google the subject many, many, reliable sources

[-] 1 points by Joyce (375) 8 years ago

I asked radio host "Normangoldman" to explain this situation to me of no avail. First, the unionized police, fire, first-responders embraced as a key entity dismissed by the 1 percent- think Madison, Wisconsin. Now, through some strange vortex, the police/keepers of order have become "boots on the ground".  Yet, there is no empathy to the fact that local budgets and resources are being stretched to keep the OWS encampments safe. Likewise, the local business entities and people which reside in these zones have been rather giving. I in no way condone brutality in any guise or form.  When resources are being diverted from accidents, homicides, and other unseemly local events in order to placate the needs of OWS......stress is mounting. Just another vantage point.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

If you've been paying close attention to the news of the last 10 or 12 months, they (the government) knew damn well that the economy was going down the tubes, that the middle class was getting killed by the housing bubble explosion and by disappearing manufacturing jobs, and that America was primed for an uprising just like OWS. A similar thing was happening prior to the Arab spring - the CIA studies these social networks and the communications - it's not like they didn't know these people were fed up with these dictatorships and finally able to communicate and organize through the internet to do something about it, especially with global food prices on the rise.

You are completely correct that these local municipalities (and states, and individuals, and the feds) are broke and these policemen are operating on a pretty thin budget.

However, why is it that they are being diverted in huge numbers to confront peaceful protestors in full riot gear when there are accidents/homicides to deal with, as you mentioned? It doesn't really make sense in terms of priorities.

Is it considered a higher priority to protect the people from actual crime/danger, or to protect themselves from the people as anger inevitably rises over their own failed policies?

Economists and Congressmen from all sides of influence have been warning of 'riots in the streets' for months now. Yet, these OWS demonstrations have been by and large incredibly peaceful.

I do not take the police at their word when they say the protestors threw bottles. The police have just as much video capability as the people, and honestly - with everyone's track record these days - if it's not on tape, I don't believe it. Our leaders and the mainstream media have been lying, distorting, slanting, omitting, however you want to describe it, for a long time about a great many subjects.

[-] 1 points by RevolutionaryTruth (95) from Houston, TX 8 years ago

This is OUT OF CONTROL!!! police officers swear an oath---> http://therevolutionarytruth.tumblr.com/ you decide if they are abiding by it!

[-] 1 points by JeffCallahan (216) 8 years ago

Unfortunately are not good quite the opposite the are accessories they have a code amongst themselves that dictates they will stand by while there fellow officers commit crimes against humanity and further that they will act collectively to cover it up.

[-] 1 points by CarryTheGripsUpToTheAttic (133) 8 years ago

Follow the police, gently plead with them to help us. It's not illegal to talk with them! Encourage them to leak docs and info. about these crackdowns.

Even if it doesn't work, their superiors will be less likely to send them into action against protesters like this!!

[-] 1 points by rb1754 (5) 8 years ago

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[-] 0 points by slinkeey (244) 8 years ago

Good for them..... They are taking out the trash!

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

troll time

[-] -1 points by justhefacts (1275) 8 years ago

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19188125

Globalsucks is right-EVERYTHING is seen today. In fact, the Oakland Tribune live blogged the entire days events. And they tell a very different story than the one being portrayed here. If you lie about, or spread lies about what really happens, your movement will fail.

People on the "outside" are watching and video taping both the police AND OWS and you might want to consider that in the future.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

I read the whole blog. I'll do my best to do a brief synopsis:

Looks like the first thing that happened was the police went to two encampments and evicted everyone / destroyed the encampments. Then later that evening when protestors returned, they did mass arrests (in the 100's). They then threatened people on the street, it sounded like some bottle throwing started at this point, and a cop car window got broken. The police kept tear gassing repeatedly, and then by the next morning, some clean-up had to be done (broken bottles, trash) and everything was dispersed.

That whole story sounds like the cops were not innocent in that in the morning they evicted two whole encampments inside of about an hour where they just plowed people's stuff over, some homeless people included. According to the blog they also did mass arrests and tear gas before the bottle throwing occurred.

No mention is made of Scott Olson taking part in the provocations / bottle throwing- I missed that entirely. If you have proof of that statement, please provide the link.

I still would like to know how this justifies shooting people in the head with rubber bullets and (as the blog notes) throwing a flash grenade under the wheelchair of a disabled person. If people were throwing bottles, then tear gas was justified. However, did the police tear gas first, or were the bottles thrown first? From what I read, it was not clear.

Please understand - I am not defending the actions of anyone who threw bottles at the police. If OWS is to be successful, it absolutely must be a peaceful, nonviolent movement. Any other approach is doomed to failure.

My point is I think we have moved beyond a point of trust where anything the police say can be taken point-blank without any independent verification. It's too bad that this is the case, but there have been too many lies given by our leaders, so-called authorities, and by the media as well.

[-] 1 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

That's a good thing, it keeps everybody honest. And hopefully the bad players will go to jail

[-] -1 points by IMSoPoor (40) 8 years ago

If only the OWShitters would stay in prison....

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 8 years ago

troll time times two

[-] 0 points by IMSoPoor (40) 8 years ago

Are you kidding? Only times two? I can do better than that. Or is two as high as you can count? TROLL ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!