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Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 27, 2012, 10:51 a.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/08/26/true-the-votes-voter-suppression-summit-one-more-reason-we-need-voters-first/

True the Vote’s voter suppression summit: one more reason we need Voters First

By Joseph On August 26, 2012 · Leave a Comment

Late last week we revealed that Secretary of State Jon Husted was planning to speak at the True the Vote summit this weekend. Already in the news for restricting early voting hours in Ohio, Husted’s choice to speak at a summit promoting voter suppression techniques drew even more attention nationally. The pressure, and potential impact on his reelection campaign in 2014, caused Husted to cancel at the last minute.

While True the Vote claims to support “voter protection” their true goals are much more sinister: to disenfranchise Democratic – especially minority – voters. According to NBC News they are “part of a national movement to tighten regulations on early voting and voter registration and to require that voters show ID at the polls in the name of fighting voter fraud.” They also train “poll watchers”, who are primarily white, to show up at the polls in minority districts to intimidate voters.

Husted’s recent record on voting rights seems to jibe well with True to Vote. He recently removed all weekend and evening voting hours in Ohio – the hours preferred by African American and other Democratic voters. And recent comments by Doug Preisse made it clear that this policy is right in line with the goal of Ohio’s Republicans to target black voter turnout.

But we still thought it was a bit crazy for the sitting Secretary of State – the person responsible for fair elections in Ohio – to agree to a featured speaking slot at an event specifically designed to promote techniques for disenfranchising voters. The fact that he even considered it still boggles our minds!

According to the Nation, Husted’s last-minute replacement was State Senator Bill Seitz.

Seitz, who sits on the Board of Directors for ALEC, has held on to a safely-Republican seat in the Ohio House and now the State Senate for nearly a dozen years. So Seitz has nothing to lose by showing up and speaking at a voter suppression conference along side Ken Blackwell, Ohio’s former Secretary of State infamous for his own voter suppression tactics in 2004 that helped deliver Ohio to George W. Bush.

Husted is ultimately accountable to the voters. He’s up for reelection statewide in 2014. So he needs to be careful to avoid big mistakes like a photo of him hugging Ken Blackwell at a voter suppression summit.

But Seitz, like so many other legislators in Ohio, holds on to a seat without any real competition on voting day. Seitz can pretty much do whatever he wants until term limits kick in. And the most political pressure he is likely to face is from the extremists in his own party. Seitz, for example, bucked his party last year on the anti-Union Senate Bill 5 legislation, and it cost him leadership roles within the Senate.

In a noncompetitive district like Seitz’s, he’s got a guaranteed job unless he gets beat in a primary by someone with even more extreme views, or he is caught driving drunk with strippers in his car.

Which, not surprisingly, is exactly what happened to Bob Mecklenborg, the Republican State Rep who took over for Seitz when he left for the Senate.

Mecklenborg, himself a big proponent of Voter ID laws, resigned in disgrace from his House seat over the drunken stripper incident, and was replaced by another Republican with zero political or legislative experience – Louis Terhar – whose only qualifications appear to be the wedding vows he took to his wife, Debe Terhar, Ohio’s Tea Party School Board President.

Ohio’s Republicans love the current system. And every time they gain control, they attempt to change the rules – like removing voting hours favored by Democrats – to help them further game the system.

And while Husted will eventually be held accountable in a state wide election by all of Ohio’s voters (at least those who haven’t been turned away from the polls by voter-id laws, voter intimidation and limited voting hours), Seitz and the other Republicans who hold on to a majority of the state’s House and Senate seats, as well as a majority of the congressional districts, won’t have any of the same political pressure to do what is right.

While we fight for more access to the polls on weekends and evenings, and while we fight against groups like Truth the Vote and their voter intimidation tactics, it’s important to remember that one of the most important things we can do in Ohio right now is to change the way legislative and congressional districts are drawn to eliminate the entrenched political interests that got us into this mess to begin with. We can do that by supporting Voters First.

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[-] 3 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

We need to show up at the polls to counter balance the repub voter intimidation tactics.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Get people registered and compliant with any new voter requirements.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 2 years ago

More people must be informed and watchful at the polls to counter these nefarious efforts.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That is an excellent idea. There are many who do not think we shouldeven care about this. I think they are republican tools.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 2 years ago

Republicans will steal this election and things will get worse for the 99%. Hang on!

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I gotta PM you. Users here singling you out!

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[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Republicans are stealing the election!

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[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

If only we had an anarchic protest to fight the broken system from the outside. Oh wait... we did have Occupy before it got sucked into the system by dem shills who only want to talk about the upcoming elections.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We do have that. It is alive and well. If you were REALLY interested you would be there instead of here trying to silence our free speech. OWS is commited to improving the lives of the 99% within and without the system.

Stop fighting our efforts to fight within the system. It is allowed. You are clearly serving republicans when you attempt to silence and ban our pro progressive, anti conservative comments.

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You are clearly serving republicans when you attempt to silence and ban our pro progressive, anti conservative comments.

This is exactly why I think you're a paid disruptor. You keep using this lame logical fallacy as your excuse to pollute this forum with political babble.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

My political comments are usually in response to political comments so.. "he hit me 1st"!

Fight to end the anti progressive, pro republican comments and you will see my political comments drop exponentially.

[-] -3 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

How sad it is that Occupy is all about the elections now. The revolution is dead, it's time to be sucked into the system.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The revolution continues. You defeatist comments not withstanding. Some of us want to challenge anti progressive pro republican comments because republican/conservative policies caused all our problems and we must defeat them in the coming election.

You can have the revolution. You ARE revolting so you're half way there.

Hurtful prankster, Sexist liar!

[-] -3 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

No one is making anti progressive republican comments in OWS. OWS is made up of left wing activists. You're here to waste everyone's time by preaching to the choir. The most obvious explanation is that you are a republican yourself paid to disrupt this protest and this site by taking it away from talk of revolution, and replacing it with lame political babble.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I challenge the anti dem, pro repub comments.. If there were none I wouldn't be here much. So get your repub friends to stop and you will get rid of me.

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You are a republican. You post here 24/7. You're here to disrupt this website and Occupy. To turn it into political babble.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I only make political comments to challenge you & your friends anti progressive, anti OWS political comments.

You're repeating yourself. I sense you are becoming unhinged, Time for your nap, Or maybe a pill?

Take a breath. We disagree. I support progressives, You attack progressives. 'sok! disagreement is necessary for good debate.

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You sound like a child. Is that one of your strategies?

There's no good debate with you because you only use logical fallacies.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Then stop! LMFAO!

At least I don't pull hurtful childish pranks, Or use sexist slurs, Or Lie, Or attempt to shut down free speech on those I disagree with, I don't speak for OWS, I don't attack pro progressives, I don't give anti progressive republican trolls a pass like you. I got that goin for me anyway.

So I'm content. I am better than you! I suppose not much of a measure. But it's all I got.

Sexist, liar, fascist paid right wing troll!

[-] -2 points by ogoj11 (263) 2 years ago

VQ is paid by the dems to make us want the lesser of evils. Electron is paid by the republicans to argue that voting is useless.

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

I never said voting is useless. I think you should vote for a third party or the democrats. I just think we shouldn't talk about voting on this website. Occupy is not about voting. It's about understanding that the system is broke and that we need to fight it from the outside.

VQ is mostl likely paid by a group that wants to destroy OWS by making us lose confident in the anarchist roots of OWS. OWS will be much easier to control once it becomes a political engine like VGkag2 is "creaming" for.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if VAkag2 is a republican. Not one bit.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We can talk about whatever we want! You don't have any authority to shut down free speech! You can't handle a different opinion? Grow the fuck up!

Stop trying to silence me. You are serving republicans when you attempt to shut down my support of progressive solutions, and my attacks on conservative policies.

OWS is Committed to working within and without the system. Period. Our efforts are not outside of anyones bounds accept you republican paid trolls.

SOLIDARITY!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Ummm It's not Odin it is trashy. Trashy is not a supporter of OWS - that is just something he likes to say - gives himself the giggles - especially if someone believes him for awhile.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

oops I think he's been banned already. LoL

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Huh - wonder where he blew it this time? He usually is allowed quite a bit of nastiness - perhaps the mods are not being so forgiving today. s-OK by me. {:-])

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

My mistake. Maybe he deleted his own message? Whatever. No biggie

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If he removed his own it would say deleted.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That's what I thought. Oh well. We'll see.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sometimes the mods will remove an offensive comment with out imposing a ban. But usually a ban is not far off when they start doing that.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I agree. Probably what it was. Got another one on my tail. Madeinusa! Maybe this one is Odin.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - I guess that is one of his new names - Maidinusa.

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

U have had a comment removed from this thread just above this comment a little bit - did U also make another BS post? And it got banned? Well good one for the mods then. {:-])

The comments that were removed above are not mine. They were both from VQkag2.

And, certain postings get shadow banned automatically if they contain certain phrases or words. It has nothing to do with what they are about. For example, if the word republican was flagged, a post for and a post against the republicans would both be banned if it contained the world republican. The moderators just plugged a bunch of phrases long ago. Everyone loses postings like that once in awhile.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

They were NOT my comments I found one when I clicked on your response to mine and it led me to the removed comment.

More lies. NOT my comment. YOUR comment!

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3960) 2 years ago

I think you're going to have a much harder time of it this time around Victor/Victoria!

Good will gesture required, or Sayonara trashy/Victor/iApril !!!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I don't think that I have ever run into that - U are so knowledgeable about getting banned - how many times now 4 U ? Couple hundred at least - Hey?

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

He's talking about one of my forum postings. It got shadow banned just after I posted it. Most likely because it contained a flagged word. This is done automatically, not by a moderator. There was nothing offensive in the posting. The system does that sometimes. I'm not sure what all the keywords are, but, for example, there was a time when any posting with APEC in it was automatically banned.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U have had a comment removed from this thread just above this comment a little bit - did U also make another BS post? And it got banned? Well good one for the mods then. {:-])

[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Banned? Odin? He's here.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

My mistake. But you know it's comin' right? Do I have to inform them for the banning to occur? Who's Odin.? Why did you pull that prank on DK anyway?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Ok. I've been wrong before. I don't really care who it is. We disagree.

I won't let his childish anti progressive, republican pass giving comments to go unchallenged.

I hope you don't think I'm out of line.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

O Hell NO - spank the idiot - he is one of the nastiest trolls this site has ever had. Have at him - and have fun. {:-])

BTW - I don't think he is republican either - just a nasty troll.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Well that may be. However I think I make a good argument that he is R! And I know it bothers him to no end! So it must continue.

LOL

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Enjoy - and get ready for an aerobic work-out as this troll trashy loves attention and abuse. {:-])

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I will ignore him eventually

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

eventually - he does get very boring. But U may have made a new friend by then - and he will follow you around like a love sick puppy.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Thx.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No need to thank me - thank the mods for letting you have some fun before they boot his ass again. {:-])

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Then he is bothering someone else a little less. I can take it and may push him into a new banning. We don't know!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

He will with out a doubt be banned again and again and again and again. I think the mods just wait until he loses control - as he always does - then they give him the boot.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Let me be the one who pushes him over the edge. It will give me such pleasure.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not a problem - you may be able to get him to blow in as little as ten minutes time. But if so expect an immediate return for a continued BS confrontation - followed by a swift booting of his ass again.

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You're preaching to the choir. There's no need to convince anyone here to vote for progressive solutions. You are only doing it to distract and derail Occupy discussions into the nebula of politics.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

All I am doing is challenging political comments that are anti progressive. You wanna see an end to my pro progressive political comments then tell your pro republican friends to stop posting their anti progressive comments.

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Why do you waste time challenging those comments. Nobody here pays attention to them. Occupy members are progressive by nature. The fact that you reply to those comments means you encourage them to continue. You are derailing the discussion into the realm of politics where it does not belong.

Read the forum rules. You are breaking them every time when you talk about politics. If you cared about this site, you wouldn't be breaking the rules.

Just report people who talk about politics to the moderators so that they are banned.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Talking about politics is not againstthe rules. OWS is committed to working within and without the system. OWS, embraces all non violent tactics (including voting). OWS engages the politcal system continually, We are at the conventions, we have pushed political issues, We have taken a stand on political issues. We avoid pushing for particular candidates. But political discussion IS allowed. You are sadly mistaken. Cite the rule that says I can't challenge your pro republican rhetoric!

Elect progressives! Vote out electrons anti OWS republicans. See that is allowed!

[-] 0 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

"OWS is committed to working within and without the system." Hmmm?

No matter how hard i searched on Saturday in Sunset Park at the Occupy Town Square's SUPER gathering I could not find any of our campaign literature.

Then I realized we didn't have any. lol

Is that surprising to you VQkag that Occupy Town Square which many consider the premier OWS affinity group...and which I have been a member of since January is not involved with the rotten political system?

I suspect my fellow OTS members, and the overwhelming majority of OWS people know better, as do I.

When you say "we"...you are not speaking for OWS, rather you are speaking for a select few who are trying to derail this noble struggle

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"OWS IS committed to working within and without the system", That ain't my opinion that is OWS words. "OWS embraces all non violent tactics" I didn't make that up! It is OWS words. .

And I didn't say campaign. That's you dishonestly twisting my words.

SOLIDARITY!

[-] 1 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

You are definitely 'campaigning' on here, and you have been ever since your late arrival

Me, "dishonesty twisting..[your].. words," pleeeeeeaaaaaassssssseeeeee VQkag, you are the #! culprit for PURPOSELY, and dishonestly mis-representing people's views on here

I do love the way that you then get on your 'high horse', and say that you are here for the 99% lol

And then your faux "Solidarity" really cracks me up

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We disagree. I believe in free speech, you want to curtail any pro dem speech.

Good luck to you in all your good work

Solidarity!

[-] 0 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

Yes, we do disagree. I do respect your right to free speech on here, but do not believe it is helpful to see us become a pro-dem movement. In fact I believe it is very harmful. That is not what OWS is about.

I wish, I really do, that I could say with sincerity good luck in all your good work, but I can't, not honestly

The best I can do is to wish you good health, and that is even more important, as this 'old dude' can attest to ;-)

I save the beautiful word "Solidarity" for when it has a shared meaning with someone who I know is altruistic to the cause, and that has sacrificed for it

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

YOU, protest more than ME?? Aaaaah Ha ha ha ha! Whatta joke. Tired old man from suburban NJ?

You don't know the 1st thing about struggle or what it takes to succeed.

You can't tell me a damn thing I know more than you based on my 1st 10 years of life struggling in the projects of Brooklyn while you lived a priviledged life.

And you ain't my nemesis! You think too highly of yourself. Your a fuckin joke. You don't get ONE thing right. You spend all you time trying to shut down discussion. Yo never discuss positive action.

Please, old man. Your comments are entertainment. Easy Peezy boss!

Numero Uno. LOL thats rich. The vast majority of the millions of OWS supporters are left leaning Dem voters. Period.

SOLIDARITY!!! LMFAO!!

[-] 1 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

Lol...that was good VQ, very entertaining

Priviledged life...me? Hardly

"Yo never discuss positive action." Gee, wasn't that positive action at Saturday's OTS event, and no... Numero Uno is not too rich, for what those bright young people have created, and don't think OWS doesn't know it!

And what about all my thoughtful comments that went from plus 1-9.... into the negative, when one of your vindictive little buddies went back into the archives. If you were not able to quell my voice when I had 3,300 ponts, you certainly won't be able to now with my measely 84 pts. Will I be in the minus tonight, or tomorrow VQkag? lol

Yes, I do think highly of myself, and for valid reasons

No I am not trying to shut down political discussion, and while we're at I am not telling people not to vote either, nor am I telling them who to vote for

I am sure that would be your next false accusation, so I felt compelled to 'nip that one in the bud.'

I have never...NEVER met anyone in the streets...parks..,or near the heart of this movement who espouses the crap that you do on here

Although I do expect I will hear the same crap soon, as I have heard that in the last few months, we have been infiltrated with people from moveon, and the DNC. You got here the end of MAY....right?

Being as old, and 'out of the loop' as you believe I am, I gotta ask does the "F" in "LMFAO" stand for FAT? Just wondering.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The F stands for fuckin! Why don't you work with your friend Electron and start your own forum where can impose the purity test so you can keep certain discussions out!

[-] 0 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

OK...thanks for that. I was thinking more that we could have this forum reach its potential, and 'connect' with the activism, and direct actions of the people in the streets, and that you and your buddies might 'moveon'...to a place you felt more comfortable. But if you decide to stay....by all means let's keep the dialogue going. ;-)

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You been tryin to get rid of me and/or silence me for a long time. By now you must know I cannot be moved!

And I assure wherever the anti progressives, pro republican, anti voting trolls crawl off to. I will be there to meet them in battle, challenge the lies and stand up for the 99%.

There is no where you can hide!

[-] 1 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

I am not trying to "silence" you,....'expose' maybe....

That was a beautiful spiel VQkag...but you left out "truth justice, and the American way."....and Solidarity....lol

More LIES and RED BAITING, anyone who does not want this struggle to be co-opted is an anti-voting troll..anti-progressive...or pro-republican. lol

Red baiting went our of style in the '50s. You are not still wearing corduroys, are you VQkag?

You don't see me hiding...do you?

BTW, where were you before joining the forum on May 30th, and going on your super intensive campaign here?

Let me guess, you were helping a little old lady who was sick, or doing charity work for the 99%, right?!

Gosh, I feel awful, now.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No really please go. And don't let the door hit you in the ass! You can a forum where everyone is the same. A Stepford forum. LOL!

[-] 0 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

"No really please go." lol Sounding pathetic there, VQ. How 'bout you find a forum that's more appealing to you, like moveon, or the DNC forum. I will leave for now so that you can figure out a new strategy to steer this struggle into oblivion

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I am NOT campaigning. I have been fighting for the poor since I was a poor child. I don't have to prove anything to you.

I am NOT breaking the rules.

You ARE twisting my words when you claim I am campaigning, You continue to attempt to deny my right of free speech just because we disagree.

SOLIDARITY

[-] -2 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

You can speak all you want to. I am not denying your right to do so, and neither should you of me.

I am just here to let you know that you do not speak for the overwhelming majority of people in Occupy Wall Street, and nobody in Occupy Town Square, which once again...let me remind you, has emerged as the 'NUMERO UNO' OWS affinity group

I do realize that having me....a person who has devoted so much time to this cause in the streets, and parks... as a nemesis, is hurtful to your 'agenda'. Which by the way has nothing to do with the success of this movement

So no matter how many protests you may now take part in, or "Solidarity" salutations that you use to gain validity, anyone who has read your stuff knows what you are here for

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Do you have the link where it says that "OWS IS committed to working within and without the system"?

And one for "OWS embraces all non violent tactics"?

Where did you read this?

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I disagree. OWS in NYC has denounced black bloc violent tactics, and OWS embraces all non violent tactics.

I will not provide evidence/proof of my contention. For what? To convince YOU? I don't give a fuck what you think! Your a lying, hurtful prank playing, sexist, anti progressive, republican pass giving 1% tool.

Why the fuck would I believe 1 syllable out of your dishonest word hole?

Moron!

Next!

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Why the fuck would I believe 1 syllable out of your dishonest word hole?

I'm not asking you to believe me. Check for yourself. If you want to be ignorant of what you claim to be supporting that's fine. You don't know the first thing about OWS. Claiming you do does not change that.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I do not support violence. If I am wrong about OWS (I ain't). It don't matter.

The important thing is this great, growing, progressive movement is the 1st hint of possible progress getting help for the 99%.

Your contention that OWS supports violence is not relevant. Who cares what you claim?. You've already proved yourself to by untrustworthy. So your comments are just dismissed out of hand.

Understand?

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The OWS in NYC has denounced black bloc violent tactics. And OWS embraces all non violent tactics.

Your turn!

[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

They have never denounced black bloc violent tactics. If you think otherwise, show me where. You talk of many things, but you have no proof of anything. OWS supports the black bloc. They had a news post that asked everyone to dress in black and walk with them.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I disagree! OWS embraces all non violent tactics!

Shall we keep dancing.? Is this important to you.? If I am wrong then OWS supports violence. I do not!

Do you?

[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

OWS does support property destruction. It is based on the protests of the Arab Springs and Egypt. It has never said it supports violence, but it never said it doesn't. They tried to pass a non-violent clause at a GA but it failed. The official wording is "diversity of tactics". The black bloc was one of these tactics and it did include property destruction.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I disagree. OWS embraces all non violent tactics.

[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

That's what you might think, but if you check you'll see this is false. First, they wouldn't accept every and any tactic, second, the idea of tactics being non-violent only was never passed in a GA. They tried to pass it in a GA in NYC, but it didn't make consensus. The official wording is "diverse tactics". Nothing about non-violence.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I do not. Read the OWS literature.!

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

I read a lot of OWS literature and it always says the opposite of this.

OWS has never even made an official claim to non-violence. It was brought up in the NYCGA, but didn't pass. And, OWS has always been committed to working from outside the system only. That's why they never accepted the idea of making demands.

You don't seem to know much about OWS.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

About

OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the growing occupation movement happening on Wall Street and around the world. We're an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We're not a subcommittee of the NYCGA nor affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization.

Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

The occupations around the world are being organized using a non-binding consensus based collective decision making tool known as a "people's assembly". To learn more about how to use this process to organize your local community to fight back against social injustice, please read this quick guide on group dynamics in people's assemblies. What do we stand for?

Here are some documents published in New York that have been well received by the movement:

Principles of Solidarity

Declaration of the Occupation

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

That fails to answer both my questions.

It says nothing about fighting from within the system. In fact, all it talks about is fighting from outside the system.

It says nothing about non-violence. In fact, it states that Occupy is inspired by the Arab spring protests and Egyptian protests, both which used violence and property destruction.

Again, where does it say that "OWS IS committed to working within and without the system" and "OWS embraces all non violent tactics".

It says that nowhere. You guys are making this up. You have no idea what OWS is and isn't. It's sad, especially since you spend so much time here.

You should know that OWS never officially adopted a stance on non-violence, and that the official wording is in fact, a "diversity of tactics". The black bloc and their property destruction was always a part of Occupy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U always have had comprehension difficulties.

An excerpt - from Principles of Solidarity :

We are the 99% and we have moved to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through a direct democratic process, we have come together as individuals and crafted these principles of solidarity, which are points of unity that include but are not limited to:

  • Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

What does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Read the rules.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

NO! I did already. And I've told you, YOU are wrong! As always, YOU are wrong!

I will continue the good work of challenging your republican friends anti progressive attacks.

And I suppose you will continue trying to silence me. Have at it you fascist tool. We believe in free speech! Freedom of the press! Freedom od assembly, association, You are on the wrong side of history.

The Rules of this site and the rules of human rights are on my side!

"dontcha' remember I toldja' I'm a soldier in the war on poverty"

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[-] 0 points by ogoj11 (263) 2 years ago

Chill, I was only teasing. I agree completely that voting is useless. Please visit Occupy Raleigh's website. We're in the doldrums and need some lively comments. Our folks are discussing the upcoming protests at the nearby DNC. http://forum.occupyraleigh.net/

[-] 0 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

I visited it yesterday and I was pleased to see that it is connected to actions on the ground. It's nice to see a forum where some people are involved in real action for real change.

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 2 years ago

We have numerous problems. I've been trying to stimulate more discussion on the site. I believe that any serious social change will be accompanied by intense intellectual excitement. Part of the problem in the US is that serious talk is only for academics and those people who take pride in putting others down. If the right succeeds, consumer preferences will be the last acceptable topic of conversation.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Since you are familiar with the http://forum.occupyraleigh.net/ site and people. Why don't you go ahead and copy and paste comments and posts that you find here that you like. You can introduce new things to your group and open contact to this group.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 2 years ago

I have done exactly that, but only once. Our front page has the following link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ&feature=player_embedded If you haven't seen it, it's an absolute MUST. It's just about the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Huh - that's unfortunate the sound is not working.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 2 years ago
[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Brietbart's people behind tea party, and their vote suppression strategy

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks for finding the working link - Yep ol George - there is no one like him - he will be sorely missed. And it was a very fine and telling moment that should be used where ever possible to open eyes - as a rallying call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQT7_rVxAE

Definitely tweet worthy. {:-])

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

I think we should create a new forum to serve as the hub for Occupy. This one is broken beyond repair because of the political shills like VQkag2. We need a forum for all of Occupy that talks about Occupy problems, and that is linked to protesters on the ground. A forum where intellectual ideas can become a reality.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Where you can control what people say?

Fascist much?

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You moderate the forum so that it stays on topic. Being on topic is not curbing free speech. It's being on topic.

This forum has rules, rules that you break everyday by talking about the election campaign, the problem is the moderators are not doing their job. I want a site where people like you who break the rules and derail the discussion are instantly banned.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Well they have banned people. Isn't that doing their job.? Are you aware of anyone being banned for breaking the rules.? Anyone? I ain't never been banned. Maybe all your banning is the evidence that you are wrong about #1 the mods not doing their job #2 I am breaking the rules. I ain't, YOU are!

You cannot control my speech. You are weak, and worthless, you are a worm, "This is my world, you are just squirrel tryin' to get a nut" -JN

We are legion! We will not forget, We will not forgive, You are a Puny Human, You will be assimilated, Resistance is futile!

Aaaaaah! HA ha ha ha ha !!!

[-] -3 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

You obviously didn't read the rules. Political talk is not allowed. You are breaking the rules everyday, it's proof you don't care about this site.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It clearly states they do not support an election campaigns. It also does not say explicitly that they do not support political discussion. Sorry. You made my point.

I am not campaigning. I will not campaign. If I did I think that I would be banned.

But of course we can and must discuss politics. Politics is at the center of the problems hurting the 99%. How can we discuss a new political system without discussing current political realities.? How can we identify the current problems without discussing the politics behind it. How can we understand the path forward without discussing political obstacles.?

Thank you for making my point.

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

These are forum rules. They are rules for what you can and shan't discuss. They do not want political discussions on here. You can keep up your campaign for Obama, but you are breaking the rules. This shows you don't care about this forum. You only care about yourself, about pushing election material even if this site is not for that.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It does not say "no political discussion" it says "no campaigns" I am not campaigning.

So there. Next!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Cite the phantom rule!

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic.


Note that they DO NOT support Obama and the Green Party, not just Romney and friends. They DO NOT support discussions about politics.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Completely agree that partisan politics does not belong here. But we don't need a new forum, it just needs to be split up into separate subjects. One should focus on strategy and on the street protest, another for news and current events, and one for general discussion.

Whether the persons running this forum even want it to be effective is another subject.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How great is it that the great people of Ohio have rejected these right wing wacko tea party true the vote vote suppressors?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/06/ohio-county-rejects-poll-watchers-application/

[-] -3 points by electron (-492) 2 years ago

Whether the persons running this forum even want it to be effective is another subject.

They obviously don't care, and I would go as far as to say that they want it to remain ineffective. Odin wrote a few months ago that the reason this forum had nothing to do with OWS is because the anarchists wanted us out of their hair. He could be right.