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Forum Post: America should mimic North Dakota, not Iceland

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 6, 2012, 10:52 a.m. EST by TheRazor (-329)
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North Dakota has 2.8% unemployment. Now thats something to shoot for!

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[-] 4 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

1 out of every 7 people in ND are in poverty. Half the people who have a job there are categorized by the census as the working poor.

That is nothing to emulate.

[+] -5 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

I did a fact check. You are a liar. LIAR. Again, LIAR. Reverl in your status as a LIAR.

And quit posting, liar.

Fact check: 1:10 NDers are in poverty. ND is number 20 in median household income. With its low cost of living, that means lots of disposable income.

North Dakota has a higher per capita income than Iceland.

Stop posting, you are stupid.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Areas that werent affected by the housing boom are doing ok right now, but will be sucked in by the collapse.

Rochester NY has a lower UE rate than Tampa Fl, which is strange, because the ROC is a total dump.

I dont think most of the US wants to live like North Dakota, unless you are refering to their bank.

[-] -1 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

Why not? Be specific.

[+] -5 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

Its a known fact that about 15% of the population will not work, they just try to skate by on welfare and handouts. They are slothful and lazy, like those who want socialism. YOU might be one.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If it's a "known fact", you should have no problem producing reams of info supporting it and describing those you are accusing.

But you didn't.

Oversight on your part?

[-] -3 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Hmmmm, all those hard working, boot strappin' conse(R)vatives , in Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia.

Too busy cookin' meth and bath salts, to do any real work?

It still didn't mention the 15% figure you mentioned.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

It is hysterical how often you add links to your comments that actually contradict the argument you are making.

In that article it says, "Rhodes has had trouble finding Americans willing to grab a knife and stand 10 or more hours a day in a cold, wet room for minimum wage and skimpy benefits."

You understand that workers shouldn't have to work for $7 per hour and that even if they did, they still would be poor, don't you?

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

Your links are all theory and baloney always. Plus lets be real, socialism has been tried and failed. USSR, East Germany, Poland, all failures. Not theory, fact. Socialism equals failure in the real world.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I know the world is a little too complicated for you to understand, but I advocate something completely different than what was found in those countries. I advocate socialism, not just calling the country socialist and then implementing an oppressive, unaccountable, totalitarian dictatorship with no human rights that has nothing to do with socialism.

[-] 1 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

Sorry, but you are wrong. It was totalitarian with Stalin but less and less as time went on, til Gorbachov was in leadership and STILL. it failed.

Ergo, socialism is an abject failure, no matter what.

Nice try tho, wackamole.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I don't advocate a country that has some totalitarianism, I advocate none.

I don't advocate a command economy, I advocate a market economy. So I don't advocate what the SU did.

I know the world is complicated and countries cannot be described with a single word, but you have to put in the effort to learn because the 1% are taking advantage of your ignorance.

But for the record, Yeltsin, who implemented capitalism, had a 4% approval rate. The public did not vote to replace socialism with capitalism. After they implemented capitalism, poverty, misery and suicides soared and the economy did not grow for 15 years.

[-] 3 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

"Its a known fact..."

lol

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sorry ( not really ) - I gotta say - FUCK FRACKING.

I fully expect ND to come to have this feeling as well when things really start getting fracked-up - but then it will be too late.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Two words. Shale oil.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

North Dakota has it's own state bank. Now thats something to shoot for!

9.The separation of corporation and state being necessary for the independence of a democratic government in serving the needs of the people, no public service shall be under the management of a private sector entity and each State of the United States shall have a state bank collectively forming the Union Reserve Bank of the United States with a state appointed bank official from each State to compose the Union Board of Governors exercising all the responsibilities of the Open Market Committee.

Prior to national ratification, the Free Democracy Amendments, collectively referred to as the FreeDA Liberty Bill, can be enacted at the state level in the 24 ballot initiative states where a Union Reserve Bank could be formed from the newly created state banks whose state appointed bank officials would serve as the Union Board of Governors with all the responsibilities of the Open Market Committee.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

And you can supply poll data that shows at least 50% support for your dream?
And you can supply poll data that shows at least 40% support for your dream?
And you can supply poll data that shows at least 30% support for your dream?
And you can supply poll data that shows at least 20% support for your dream?
And you can supply poll data that shows at least 10% support for your dream?


or dare you support the amendment with 80% support
+ 1,900,000 signatures
+ 386 local & state resolutions


so - what is better?
what you want or what WE THE PEOPLE want

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

You're absolutlely right. Americans don't want freedom or control over public officials to get what they want. YOU THE PEOPLE would much rather 'vote n hope' for unaccountable corporate bought candidates to do what you wish only to complain when they don't. Yep, that's so much better than actually taking responsibility for the future of the nation on the local, state, and national levels.

Hope that corporate candidates will pass your amendment vs Direct Action to ensure 10 amendments or even just one at the state level in 24 states thereby improving the economy and weakening the negative influence of big banks.

By the way,

you can supply poll data that shows at least 50% support for your amendment over engaging in FreeDA?

you can supply poll data that shows at least 40% support for your amendment over engaging in FreeDA?

you can supply poll data that shows at least 30% support for your amendment over engaging in FreeDA?

you can supply poll data that shows at least 20% support for your amendment over engaging in FreeDA?

you can supply poll data that shows at least 10% support for your amendment over engaging in FreeDA?

you can supply poll data that shows ANY support for your amendment OVER engaging in FreeDA???

or dare you support voter solidarity for affidavits that will ensure 100% compliance from public officials,

initiatives at the local and state levels that restrict corporate influence and don't require political compliance,

and cooperative employment services that will directly improve worker conditions while weakening the corporations?

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

No one would waste their time polling your pipedream


If you care about what AMERICANS want - here is the PROOF

http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com/1_6_DOCUMENTS.html

numerous national polls & proof on documents # 10 11 12 13 19 20 21 26
read em and weep

FYI- One of the dozen proposed amendments is proposed by .
Bernie Sanders - damn corporate stooge

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

"No one would waste their time polling your pipedream"

Really? You can supply poll data supporting that?....Ah, I didn't think so.

Polls are only proof of what people have been asked, not of what they haven't been asked, or didn't you know that?

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

the pages I gave you HAVE all of the poll results
since you are too lazy to look - here are a few

FROM PFAW:

78% think unfavorably about the SCOTUS Citizens United decision.
Including 66% of voters self described as “very conservative”

77% want Congress to support a Constitutional Amendment to limit the amount U.S. corporations can spend to influence elections.

74% say that they would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who pledged to support a Constitutional Amendment limiting corporate spending in elections.

89% agree that corporate election spending should be fully disclosed.

67% disagree that corporate spending is free speech.

64% disagree that corporations are people.

85% of voters say that corporations have too much influence over the political system today while

93% say that average citizens have too little influence.

95% agree that “Corporations spend money on politics mainly to buy influence in government and elect people who are favorable to their financial interests.” (74% strongly agree)

85% disagree that “Corporations should be able to spend as much as they want to influence the outcome of elections because the Constitution protects freedom of speech.” (63% strongly disagree)

64% disagree with this SCOTUS decision overturning state & federal laws that limit corporate spending on elections.

93% agree that “There should be clear limits on how much money corporations can spend to influence the outcome of an election.” (74% strongly agree)

“These results make perfectly clear that Americans want bold action to overturn Citizens United,” said Michael B. Keegan, President of People For the American Way.


do you want me to give you the list of 386 passed resolutions from around the country?


beware of posting stupid answers to questions you dont understand

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

Beware of responding stupidly to questions you'd rather not answer.

Seeing as how no where in all that you've cited is there any poll data on who would poll for FreeDA (in direct response to your bogus claim "No one would waste their time polling your pipedream"), you don't even seem to have an understanding of simple questions to your own responses.

FreeDA vs. Vote-n-Hope.

Show that poll.

Like I said before, polls are only proof of what people have been asked, not of what they haven't been asked, but somehow, you don't seem to understand that either.

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

maybe all states should have their own bank. So you agree The other 49 states should mimic ND, not Iceland. Thank you!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

It makes a big difference and ND is certainly proof of it.