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Forum Post: All Talk... Talk Talk Talk - No ideas, No action and No Vision

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 25, 2013, 7:27 p.m. EST by rickMoss (435)
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This is no longer a political problem. There is no political solution}

(Sky rocketing debt, unemployment, underemployment, deficits, government failure, Economic systems failure, Financial systems failure, Market systems failure, Monetary systems failure, Social systems failure, Environmental systems failure, Ecosystems failure, Energy systems failure, Energy depletion, rising poverty, suffering, corruption, greed, chronic recessions etc… etc… etc….)

If you think more talk, angry citizens, lying politicians or corrupt bankers can fix this mess you are dead wrong.

The revolution has started! It's just waiting for you to shut up!


U.S. Citizens Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://revolution2.osixs.org )

Non U.S. Citizens Read “Common Sense 3.2” at ( http://SaveTheWorldNow.osixs.org )

How else can I say this? "We Are Free!"http://WeAreFree.osixs.org "Spread the News"



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[-] 3 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

I'm not knocking it, but what happens when the power goes out? I mean, if all backup systems fail?

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 5 years ago

I don't know enough about OsiXs, the group in the links, to endorse them outright, but I do agree with these lines;

"The only real Plan [that should be] ...set forth is to save the Planet and its People.".......And

"Don't blame others for your own failure to take action."

Then there is Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning economist, 2008

"The problem was we don't know as much about economics as we thought we did...intellectually it's interesting, personally it's terrifying." This is scarier than anything I thought I'd witness in my years as an economist."

"....what happens when the power goes out? I mean, if all back up systems fail?"

When your roof is 'still' leaking water into the the ceiling fixture, it's only a matter of time

There are no guarantees, the systemic change we need is scarey, I know....for me too. But when you consider the alternative of doing little or nothing,.... from not just an economic point of view, but from an environmental one as well

The choice should be easy


[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

What choice, utilizing technology to enhance democracy? Yes, I agree completely, it should be governments' primary objective. Unfortunately, we're under control.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 5 years ago

"Utilizing technology to enhance democracy" is a solution that definitely seems plausible,

For now tho reaching out and having more people recognize that the problems we face are enormous

And eventually having them reaching the same conclusion that most of us have, in that our form of government is unable to cope with these dilemmas

That, I believe should be our focus


[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

We also need to realize that there are enough people out there who are too busy, selfish, ignorant, anti-socialist, etc. to care, no matter how hard we try to feed them the info.

We need a way to activate them.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 5 years ago

"We need to activate them." I know, and finding the best ways to do it is our immediate challenge.

Evens so, we cannot overlook how we have been able to open the eyes of so many people as to what has, and what continues to go on

It becomes a matter of convincing many of these people that in UNITY there is EMPOWERMENT

And that to do nothing is not an option if you value your own future, or that of your progeny


[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

Of course, I'm going to say the 99% Conglomerate is the way to get the people on board who fit into the "too busy, selfish, ignorant, anti-socialist, etc. " category. It doesn't need to replace any other initiatives, but it will bolster them.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 5 years ago

Go for it. Just about any form of RESISTANCE to the corrupt status quo is great, and the more places it comes from, the 'greater' it is

For me today, it was bringing a Wells Fargo Occucard down to the Wells Fargo bank nearby, and handing it to the teller with a little spiel. Unfortunatedly the loan officers were busy...;-)


[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

Sweet. Can I sign you up as a Subsidiary? It won't take long.

You won't be the first Subsidiary on the list with the sole purpose of undermining banks.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 5 years ago

Can we talk about it later 'cause I'm going out now? I know that from being here, and in NYC that I am on more than one 'list,' and I already share a lot of personal info on here. I'm just not sure if I want to give out anymore


[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 5 years ago

No problem, and no personal info required.

[-] 2 points by kimba (14) 5 years ago

Rather than repeating what you are not "I am not a slave.", repeat what you are, "I am sovereign. I am free!".

Do you all know about the OPPT/One People's Public Trust?

[-] 2 points by analystwanabe99 (153) 5 years ago

Right, I'm a sovereign, I'm Free, and the bank owns my mortgage, and even if I pay it off the state can sell my property for back taxes if I don't pay them taxes or they can simply take it with emanate domain. I don't own it except on paper yet I have to maintain it to the standards of the state and city. The state only gives me the privilege to drive my car and then only if I pay them for a tag and license every year and maintain insurance on my car. I eat only if I can pay for the food or grow my own. I am forced to use a trash service, an electric and gas monopoly that can and will charge me whatever they deem profitable and I have no alternatives. The systems in place force me to use a bank account to pay my bills with. I am limited by laws as to how I can use my land and what and where I can build on it. If I start a business I must operate within a set of rules and regulations that are prohibiting to such an extent that even the business schools suggest you become more and more legitimate as time goes on and not try to operate strictly within the rules in your start-up phase. When I die I will not care about any of it. That's when I will be truly FREE! The burden of living in America is stressful and the proof of it lies in the suicide data. It doesn't matter weather you are rich or poor.

[-] 1 points by satohirona (-20) 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 5 years ago

There is no need to fight. Freedom need no defense. Assume the position and make it so. Salem Oregon translate Peace Hurricane the most democratic ideal in the world is this location. ALL ONE...

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 5 years ago

Here's an idea:

  • Cap sales Mark-up Profit at ten percent.

  • This will fix the economy, the ecosystem, the economic system, the political system, financial system, the debt, and much much much more !

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 5 years ago

How about a brief overview as to what it is about?

[-] 0 points by rickMoss (435) 5 years ago

Sure, it's real simple guys. We are free. Technology is destabilizing our economies. Have you noticed that they are unable to fix the economy dispite all the money and bullshit. It's impossible. It's also impossible to pay off the debt. What are we going to do when unemployment rises to 30, 40, 70 percent. It won't get that high because the system will collapse at about 30 to 40 percent. The means people will have to start killing each other to survive. Why do you think our government (home land security and the social security administration) is buying a billion of bullet. They know they can't fix this mess. So the bullets are to deal with us when the shit hits the fan. It's game over for our old way of living. OsiXs came up with smart idea. Why not let the technology do the work and let the people get the pay. It's so simple, democratic and correct that I wonder why didn't I think of that. "Common Sense 3.1" ( http://revolution2.osixs.org ) is the way to make it happen. Or we can fight to the death like savages. That's what all the resource wars are about in the middle east. We are fighting for the last oil. Then we will fight for food. Savage!

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 5 years ago

We don't need to pay off the debt, we need to write off the debt by passing Glass Steagall. That is, if you are talking about the debt created by speculative finance, which is the equivalent of gambling on a vast international scale.

Then we establish a public national bank, to provide money for economic development projects, creating millions of good paying jobs.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 5 years ago

Well, if you borrowed money and actually received a tangible good or service, to just forgive that debt is not necessarily a good thing.

However, stopping the huge interest rate charges, penalties and fees is an awesome compromise since it means the debt always drops, rather than stays the same or rises because of the interest rate charges.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 5 years ago

From what I understand of derivatives, which I believe are the vast part of the debt, most of that money was highly leveraged into existence, then lost on trades of which something like only 3% went for actual products or services.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 5 years ago

Sure, but consumer debt is based on consumers borrowing money in exchange for a goods or service. Where they are getting screwed is that once they lost around 10 trillion dollars of assets, no effort was made to let them PAY DOWN their consumer debt with no more interest rate charges.

The RATIO of consumer debt to assets has been annihilated since 2007 and the government has basically ignored this, causing tens of millions of americans to continue to lose ground via unending interest rate charges on existing consumer debt.