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Forum Post: All one really needs to know about the TPP = History being repeated

Posted 2 years ago on April 24, 2015, 11:47 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN
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Bernie Sanders Points Out The Truth About The TPP

Some may also find this following to be helpful:

Robert Reich takes on the Trans-Pacific Partnership

Click here to read Senator Warren and Brown's letter to President Obama.

Stand with Elizabeth Warren and Sherrod Brown: Add your name and tell President Obama to release the full text of the TPP.

Who is fighting To sell out the people of the USA? McCain Calls for Passage of Trade Legislation, Says Americans 'Build Bridges to Opportunities'

“When Republicans won majorities in last November’s elections, we pledged to get to work for the American people,” McCain said ... array of crises since the end of the Second World War.’ “Passing TPA would …

McCain pitches for trade deal in GOP address = More rethuglican politi-speak "we got something really good for the American people - but like usual we aren't gonna tell you how it works for the people (remember trickle down economics?) - because it is just another Trojan horse"

There are also determined fence sitters who hope they can just get by with-out address the issue You won't get me to talk - besides didn't I already say it is the gold standard?

On Trade Deal, Hillary Sits on the Fence

Clinton hedge on trade leaves Obama without political cover in Warren feud

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[-] 5 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Consider, ''The Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Death of the Republic'' by Ellen Brown

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/the-transpacific-partnership_b_7136112.html

''On April 22, 2015, the Senate Finance Committee approved a bill to fast-track the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a massive trade agreement that would override our republican form of government and hand judicial and legislative authority to a foreign three-person panel of corporate lawyers.

''The secretive TPP is an agreement with Mexico, Canada, Japan, Singapore and seven other countries that affects 40% of global markets. Fast-track authority could now go to the full Senate for a vote as early as next week. Fast-track means Congress will be prohibited from amending the trade deal, which will be put to a simple up or down majority vote. Negotiating the TPP in secret and fast-tracking it through Congress is considered necessary to secure its passage, since if the public had time to review its onerous provisions, opposition would mount and defeat it...

''Under the TPP, could the US government be sued and be held liable if it decided to stop issuing Treasury debt and financed deficit spending in some other way (perhaps by quantitative easing or by issuing trillion dollar coins)? Why not, since some private companies would lose profits as a result?

''Under the TPP or the TTIP (the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership under negotiation with the European Union), would the Federal Reserve be sued if it failed to bail out banks that were too big to fail?

''Something else besides attracting investment money and encouraging foreign trade seems to be going on. The TPP would destroy our republican form of government under the rule of law, by elevating the rights of investors – also called the rights of “capital” – above the rights of the citizens.

''That means that TPP is blatantly unconstitutional. But ... neo-liberalism and corporate contributions seem to have blinded the deal’s proponents so much .. that they cannot see they are selling out the sovereignty of the United States to foreign and multinational corporations.''

[-] 5 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

What we have seen so far of TPP, is just the tip of the ice berg.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Bill Clinton signed NAFTA but will Mrs.C speak up against.. TPP / TTIP? Or will Bernie Sanders?!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-2016-_n_6391086.html Interesting huh?

[-] 4 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

What a good article.

Too bad our democracy, our republics, our destiny is in the hands of the writers of TPP, the one percent, and ready for rubber stamp by their puppet president.

Read the article. You can fool some of the people some of the time, these capitalistic thieves

[-] 2 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

This is the corporate despotism.....Like in the TARP bailouts, governments makes new rules for themselves, for their benefit, and that of their benefactors, the .one percent, take the powers that rest with the people, and send us the bill, and take away our voice, our representation. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/the-transpacific-partnership_b_7136112.html When did we abolish taxation without representation? Oh yea, we just aquiesed "A republican form of government is one in which power resides in elected officials representing the citizens, and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law. In The Federalist Papers, James Madison defined a republic as "a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people . . . ."

On April 22, 2015, the Senate Finance Committee approved a bill to fast-track the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a massive trade agreement that would override our republican form of government and hand judicial and legislative authority to a foreign three-person panel of corporate lawyers.

[-] 5 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Hillary Clinton will not oppose TPP/TTIP, I don't think - but would Bernie Sanders?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-2016-_n_6391086.html

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

over saw the bombing of 7 (8) nations

[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

What's the big deal about a few more? The U.S. has the knowhow to shove it again and again. If the bull throws off the cowboy, he can certainly land squarely on his feet as a matador. Our ancestors would be really proud of our machismo.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Until we want war on the poor at home and war on people living in countries who have things we want to STOP - then Bankers, Corporations and Oligarchs will continue to use The Military for their own greedy, psychopathic purposes - just like Gen. Smedley Butler said back in the day. Here's where I get a lot of my news these days - https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ and I recommend it to you and all readers here.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (992) 1 hour ago

Until we want war on the poor at home and war on people living in countries who have things we want to STOP - then Bankers, Corporations and Oligarchs will continue to use The Military for their own greedy, psychopathic purposes - just like Gen. Smedley Butler said back in the day. Here's where I get a lot of my news these days - https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ and I recommend it to you and all readers here.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight)

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

DOD continues to call its target terrorist

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I think the British may have called us "terrorist[s]" too back in the late 1700s.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

as long as we aren't national socialist

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1053) 3 hours ago

Well at least this IS your thread, lol! Also fyi http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30818-fed-up-why-the-federal-reserve-needs-reform and note that you're really not doing yourself any favours on these boards.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "we get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover"

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

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[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Have you considered http://www.leftforum.org/ ?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1065) 3 minutes ago

Have you considered http://www.leftforum.org/ ?

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1st track: (Dancing) "ooo look something shiny"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)
[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Does ANY attention equal 'Good Attention in your sad little world? Try to think how about following http://www.leftforum.org/ on Twitter? That way you could - you know, try to engage with other (less conservative) ideas than your own? You are so stuck in your mind set that you have not noticed that your head has vanished up your ass. It's really quite sad and pathetic actually so get well DKAtoday.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1085) 9 minutes ago

Does ANY attention equal 'Good Attention in your sad little world? Try to think how about following http://www.leftforum.org/ on Twitter? That way you could - you know, try to engage with other (less conservative) ideas than your own? You are so stuck in your mind set that you have not noticed that your head has vanished up your ass. It's really quite sad and pathetic actually so get well DKAtoday.

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16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

We need to support our meaningless self defeating circular logic that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (1089) 4 minutes ago

Your deep hatred of 'Bad Cop Republicans' (which I can totally understand) blinds you to the duplicity of 'Good Cop Democrats', right? You do confuse decent, left / progressive / liberal minded Democrat voters with their utterly bought and paid for politicians (with one or two exceptions, of course).. and so take the anti-Duopoly talk on theses threads Far Too Personally. OWS is 'non partisan' right?

Yet you'd co-opt it and look to turn it into a DNC cheering exercise! It's not happening any time soon so you'll be better off considering http://www.leftforum.org/ and seeing how Dems can be dragged from their many right wing, pro-Corporations and Bankers positions. Try to think about that now.

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16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

We need to support our meaningless self defeating circular logic - that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Ross Perot was a Texan candidate for the U.S. Presidency, next to the border with Mexico. He said of NAFTA before its passage later under the Clinton administration that he had heard of a giant sucking sound.

Now decades later we know very well personally the results of NAFTA and hear again a giant sucking sound from geoduck ingesting Pacific Ocean water on Washington NW's cesspool beach. Even Ronnie with his Alzheimer's memory could have said, "Here we go again!"

Around NAFTA time, geoduck was still a tiny clam in low school sucking in Pacific Ocean water. It has grown humongous rivalling the Clintonesque pumping capacity but cannabis-laced cesspool effluent damaged the capacity to learn history and economics. "Hang loose." "Aloha!" Should we trust geoduck's skeleton skill acquired at Sanki Sliding Centre and hop on with our eyes wide shut?

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

There's NOTHING ''Free'' about 'Free Trade' as some other sucker somewhere will have to pay for the Profit of avaricious Corporations and Bankers and now Capitalism's ''Externalities'' impact us all really.

TPP/TTIP is ALL about The 0.01% and NOT The 99% whose (s)elected representatives can't even read the agreements' details! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/12/can-read-notes-life-top-democratic-senator-blasts-obamas-tpp-secrecy/

[-] 1 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Children must not watch obscene material. It's past ten o'clock. Go to bed, now. Everything will be just fine!

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (992) 1 hour ago

There's NOTHING ''Free'' about 'Free Trade' as some other sucker somewhere will have to pay for the Profit of avaricious Corporations and Bankers and now Capitalism's ''Externalities'' impact us all really.

TPP/TTIP is ALL about The 0.01% and NOT The 99% whose (s)elected representatives can't even read the agreements' details! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/12/can-read-notes-life-top-democratic-senator-blasts-obamas-tpp-secrecy/

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) we get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (1048) 2 hours ago

''Why the Federal Reserve needs reform'' - http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30818-fed-up-why-the-federal-reserve-needs-reform + note that I'll try to use your spam as best I can but you're being a dick!

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1st track: (Dancing) "ooo look something shiny"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (1054) 21 minutes ago

Even happy to shit on your own carpet, right? My reply was relevant to your thread. Do you now think that ''Bernice Anders'', is going to question the Private Club of Private Bankers that is The US Federal Reserve - never mind the Corporate Military Industrial MSM nexus? Have you any clue about anything beyond 'Monkey Like Shiney'? Go on, grow up a bit and stop stamping your feet and spammimg here.

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''Bernice Anders'' ???????? Really?

The only thing bothering you and your tinkle/stinkle team is the fact you have been properly challenged called out and have lost the ability to load the best comment board with what you want and have kind of lost the ability to keep other comments off of the best comment board.

Sucks to be you.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Is that what you really think and are you jelly about BCT? The democracy of voting on comments can be harsh but though it can be unforgiving - it is fair in the long run but who and what do you think constitute my ''kind''? As a cheap touche' - I'd say that it "Sucks to be you" ..mainly because you have provided us so much proof that that is actually the case! + Finally.. I really have been wondering just what you think about http://www.leftforum.org/ and - whether you will have ANYTHING sensible to say about that at all?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1077) 2 minutes ago

Is that what you really think? Are you jelly about BCT? The democracy of voting on comments can be harsh but though it can be unforgiving - it is fair in the long run but who and what do you think constitute my ''kind''? As a cheap touche' - I'd say that it "Sucks to be you" ..main;ly because you've provide so much proof that that is actually the case! Finally, I was wondering what you thought about http://www.leftforum.org/ ?

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15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1085) 0 minutes ago

Assuming to speak in 2nd & 3rd party voices is an indication that you are afflicted by ''voices''. Don't fear them. Embrace them and calm and still and silence your raging mind - otherwise you'll make yourself even more ill. Try http://www.leftforum.org/ as a diversion. You never know - you may just learn something.

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3rd track: (More specious aspersions) "It's easy to do when one has nothing)"

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

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[-] 3 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You "think" he will? We need much more than that.. now! We need his strong oposition to it, including how our civil liberties being given away to corporate interests.

[-] 2 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Sander is a leading opponent of NAFTA-style “free trade” deals. http://www.thenation.com/blog/205865/six-degrees-separation-between-bernie-sanders-and-hillary-clinton

He says, “All Americans, regardless of political ideology, should be opposed to the ‘fast track’ process which would deny Congress the right to amend the treaty and represent their constituents’ interests.” He has rallied workers and environmentalists against the deal, saying, “Let’s be clear: the TPP is much more than a “free trade” agreement. It is part of a global race to the bottom to boost the profits of large corporations and Wall Street by outsourcing jobs; undercutting worker rights; dismantling labor, environmental, health, food safety and financial laws; and allowing corporations to challenge our laws in international tribunals rather than our own court system.”

[-] 3 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Look, I agree Sanders says a lot of good things, but where's the fire in his belly?! The person who interviews him seems to be more outraged than him. I'm used to having politicians lie to me, and talk in platitudes. I don't need anymore muddled oratories either.

The TPP and Fast Track are current, (Edit; He has the opportunity to influence the outcome!!), and Sanders has the chance to come out concisely and strongly against that legislation without referring to crappy past agreements, while at the same time educating people on how devastating it will be to us if they are passed.....and he is NOT doing that!. I need more!

http://youtu.be/nPIjriHMYYk

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the TP can not be passed as the people have not endorsed it

[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Never underestimate the enemies of our people. Those who can see into the future but fail to speak up or try their best, seal the fates of the innocents. Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission decision says that money is free speech. Money buys bombs so bombs are free speech, too. Logical, left?

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I hope that you are right.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

it's a matter of cooperation

people need not follow any laws they find oppressive if a less oppressive way of life is possible

[-] -1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

There is understandably a lot of hope and expectation for Bernie Sanders domestically in US but as he is running to be a Democratic POTUS - can we believe that isn't with say so of The DNC? Also consider http://www.leftforum.org/ and... http://occupywallst.org/forum/ok-unicorn-chasers-both-samers-variously-disengage/#comment-1059537 where I expand on what I say here a little more. Don't Stop Questioning.

[-] 0 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Yes we will.

Hey, are our comments all starting with 0 points at the outset?

[-] -1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Yes that is exactly the case and none of us can exercise Voting Rights lest we upset one particularly sensitive, oafish and brain damaged individual who has now usurped this forum. So unless sanity and reason can be restored, at this rate our days are numbered but of course... that may well be the plan. Perseverance, patience, calm and solidarity are now needed here and arguably more than ever before.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 2 hours ago

Yes that is exactly the case and none of us can exercise Voting Rights lest we upset one particularly sensitive, oafish and brain damaged individual who has now usurped this forum. So unless sanity and reason can be restored, at this rate our days are numbered but of course... that may well be the plan. Perseverance, patience, calm and solidarity are now needed here and arguably more than ever before.

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Too Bad So Sad.

The stinkle/tinkle teamers can't gang up on individuals with their voting tactics any longer.

So amusing to see you complain about not being able to vote here (for your own comments) and yet - perversely you would have the Public not take advantage of Their Voting Rights out in the real world where it matters.

[-] -1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Alas "perverse" would be attributing to me things that I haven't said but being an amnesiac reactionary playing whackamole has got you all in state hasn't it? Voting is the bare minimum that we should do - here and out there and history is a strength IF it can be understood and learned from. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30853-forty-acres-and-a-mule-would-be-at-least-6-4-trillion-today-what-the-us-really-owes-black-america

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 5 minutes ago

Alas "perverse" would be attributing to me things that I haven't said but being an amnesiac reactionary playing whackamole has got you all in state hasn't it. Voting is the bare minimum that we should do - here and out there and history is a strength IF it can be understood and learned from. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30853-forty-acres-and-a-mule-would-be-at-least-6-4-trillion-today-what-the-us-really-owes-black-america

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You really try your best to not say anything directly - it goes hand in hand with your dancing to avoid/evade questions that are put to you - your dancing is so strident - you continually try to change the subject when you are pressed for a direct answer - you will instead try to change the subject by pulling up from nowhere a completely unrelated topic.

Then you further try to cover your BS by posting links that actually have some relevance for the people. You try to reestablish your cover and then in a little while try to return back to your opt out self defeating bullshit propaganda to the people.

[-] -1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

This forum is not about you and though you may act like you own and run the joint (due to no oversight of your Petty Tinpot Tyranny) - you don't do anything here but display, time after time - what a paranoid, amnesiac geriatric you are. Despite pretensions you're not the head examiner and inquisitor here, lolol!

Your so called "questions" are predicated upon your conservative, reactionary mind - managed by years of MSM programming, even if you're occasionally able to recognize shit from shinola (as per the article).

I'm really left wondering if indeed you ever actually have real conversations with real people (who are not as conservative as you) or if self-absorbed parDisan monologue is in effect - your only m.o. everywhere?

Further to the previous link and more for others than for you so I don't waste this reply: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30842-black-lives-matters-patrisse-cullors-on-creating-a-new-economy-of-non-violence

Finally and per the important subject matter of your OP, see if you can decipher and see the import of...

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30848-senator-sessions-takes-a-bold-step-tells-the-truth-about-the-tpp

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30837-the-incredible-arrogance-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-crowd

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30862-trans-pacific-partnership-related-bill-contains-a-medicare-poison-pill

1st Link - ''Ralph Nader has suggested that President Obama debate Senator Warren on the TPP. This would be one way to get to the truth, hear both sides debate in public so we can all decide for ourselves whether this is an agreement that should be fast tracked through Congress outside of the traditional congressional process. But a president that has worked for his entire tenure in office to keep the TPP and other rigged agreements out of the public dialogue will certainly not take up this suggestion.''

2nd Link: ''But the pro-TPP elites don't like to talk about such things. Their trade deals are simply good and modern, and if you don't agree they will call you an anti-trade protectionist and all sorts of other bad things. That's what elites do when they don't have a real argument.'' and

3rd Link: --- Well that is a short article that I really recommend you read.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 9 hours ago

This forum is not about you and though you may act like you own and run the joint (due to no oversight of your Petty Tinpot Tyranny) - you don't do anything here but display, time after time - what a paranoid, amnesiac geriatric you are. Despite pretensions you're not the head examiner and inquisitor here, lolol!

Your so called "questions" are predicated upon your conservative, reactionary mind - managed by years of MSM programming, even if you're occasionally able to recognize shit from shinola (as per the article).

I'm really left wondering if indeed you ever actually have real conversations with real people (who are not as conservative as you) or if self-absorbed parDisan monologue is in effect - your only m.o. everywhere?

Further to the previous link and more for others than for you so I don't waste this reply: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30842-black-lives-matters-patrisse-cullors-on-creating-a-new-economy-of-non-violence

Finally and per the important subject matter of your OP, see if you can decipher and see the import of...

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30848-senator-sessions-takes-a-bold-step-tells-the-truth-about-the-tpp

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30837-the-incredible-arrogance-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-crowd

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30862-trans-pacific-partnership-related-bill-contains-a-medicare-poison-pill

1st Link - ''Ralph Nader has suggested that President Obama debate Senator Warren on the TPP. This would be one way to get to the truth, hear both sides debate in public so we can all decide for ourselves whether this is an agreement that should be fast tracked through Congress outside of the traditional congressional process. But a president that has worked for his entire tenure in office to keep the TPP and other rigged agreements out of the public dialogue will certainly not take up this suggestion.''

2nd Link: ''But the pro-TPP elites don't like to talk about such things. Their trade deals are simply good and modern, and if you don't agree they will call you an anti-trade protectionist and all sorts of other bad things. That's what elites do when they don't have a real argument.'' and

3rd Link: --- Well that is a short article that I really recommend you read.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

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[-] -1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

What's the purpose of repeating the entire reply comment TO you ... let alone repeating your unreadable crap? Are you ADicKted to copy/pasting? Are you OCD on top of your already established NPD? Would meditating on http://www.leftforum.org/ help? Is your personal reality so bleak that u have to spew here?!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 2 minutes ago

What's the purpose of repeating the entire reply comment TO you ... let alone repeating your unreadable crap? Are you ADicKted to copy/pasting? Are you OCD on top of your already established NPD? Would meditating on http://www.leftforum.org/ help? Is your personal reality so bleak that u have to spew here?!

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Blah blah blah blah blah (something shiny) Blah blah blah blah blah sayss you the foaming at the mouth (running joke) individual who supports the control of power by the 1% by trying to get the people to opt out of owning government.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

so their laws are meaningless

the writers have no authority over the law

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Democrats and Republicans up to their usual tricks.

But hey, look over there!!

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

(Edit) TPP, Jade Helm 15, and likely $ crash, coming close in time.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sounds like they are looking for a sweeter deal - like 400,000 "more" tonnes worth.

It unfortunately was not a walk out due to the TPP gonna be undermining democracy and financial protections and environmental protections and worker protections.............................................

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Pacific Rim Free Trade Talks Fall Short Of Deal http://fortune.com/2015/08/01/pacific-rim-free-trade-tpp-deal/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That . . . that . . . that's just . . . so . . . sad . . . sniff . . . . no equatable agreements . . . sniff . . . . . . . .

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

There's that crumb we need every now and then to restore a hint of faith in the system...

Funny they are against corporate takeover after they voted to force us all to buy corporate goods at the federal level, a first in this country.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Why . . . those . . . those . . . little . . . BASTARDS . . . how could they betray their rethuglican twins!!!! Don't they know by now that they are just as bought?

WTF - well this will no doubt just give mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies heart failure from outright SHOCK.

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Wow, this is huge, Democrats facing off against a corporate owned, Republican president who is trying to cram the TPP down our throats. Wait a minute Obama is doing this and he is a Democrat!

Your glee is disingenuous for a purpose, which is obviously to see this struggle absorbed into the Democrat Party, where it will be brought under control.

Do you now feel justified to continue your campaign to have the Democrats swallow up the discontent that so many people have, and then use it so that one of the corrupted parties can regurgitate it back in the form of business as usual?

You would not have to go back very far in history to see that both parties have an infamous history of coopting third parties.

Occupy, including the other grassroot organizations will be brought much further to the right than the Democrats will be to the left if you were successful, but I would guess that you know that, and that's your raison d' etre, isn' it?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sure - and that explains why the majority of the dems blocked fast tracking. Damn and you said they were both the same. HUH imagine that - both the same and yet......................

So Go Fuck Yourself ya little twisted twit.

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Your foul language does not help your cause of trying to bring us into the folds of a corrupted party. Rather, it make you look like a yahoo...lol

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are just a twisted Judas Goat. Your only program is to keep the public from acting together to retake government and shutdown the corruption.

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Speaking of animals, it does not seem fair the Republicans and Democrats use elephants and donkeys respectively as their symbols. Edit; I would bet that 'they' are far more perfidious than those lovely creatures. What about you?

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0881985.html

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

IF the tpp law can only be viewed by a select|

it is not open to consent and can not be considered law

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Anyone coming at me with a chipping tool, is going to have a bad day.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Anyone coming at me with a chipping tool, is going to have a bad day.

Begin dealing out the whoop-ass - as we have been under attack with chipping tools for ages now.

My bad - I was thinking about chisels and not computer chips.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey Nevada1

Nice addition to the post. Thanks. It will be a pretty sad day for the world if TPP gets passed.

EDIT-> The link in the post works now.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago
[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Brain implants - password implants - corporate ownership of any and all intellectual rights of anyone who uses their site. Talk about scary shit - and with the passage of TPP - these corporations can sue in their "own" court to supersede the courts of the people as well as supersede the constitution to reap profits from the people/government for any denial of their proposed activities.

HOW SICK IS THIS WORLD THAT SUCH THINGS COULD GET ANY KIND OF CONSIDERATION TO BE MADE LEGAL?

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

The homicidal Bohemian Grove pedophiles, are running the planet.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

When the Whole World Seems To Be Run By The Insane Few to the detriment of 99.9999999999 % of the rest of the World Population - then - it gives more credence to the possibility that there is a Satan and Satan is in control - and - That - YES - one day it will all be shutdown - with God blowing the whistle and telling everyone to get out of the pool because it is gonna be emptied of all existing toxins and be refilled clean and fresh.

The Insanity of the world - speaks for the existence of God and the promise spoken of in the Bible.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That deserves it's own post.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

BTW - tweet

The Trans-Pacific Partnership Divisions http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/trans-pacific-partnership-secret/ … via @ValueWalk Don't drop your guard just yet - TPP still needs to be ended.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They have got to get a whole lot louder as well as united in their dissent against TPP. Every single one of em should be supporting Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and add their own voice to loud public address's.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Senator Patty Murray: TPP vote proves her unfit to lead Senate Democrats

Petition to Senate Democrats: “No Democrat who opposes TPP should support Washington Senator Patty Murray for any position within the Democratic leadership. Her leading, visible and public role of working to pass Fast Track authority for the Trans-Pacific Partnership makes her unfit for a leadership position in the caucus.”

Add your name: Sign the petition ►

A TPP sellout shouldn’t be in Democratic Leadership

Washington Senator Patty Murray is one of 13 Democrats in the U.S. Senate who sold out practically every progressive constituency – from environmentalists to labor to Internet freedom advocates – by voting to pass Fast Track authority for approving the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and other dangerous trade deals.

President Obama, the Republican leadership of Congress and their allies in corporate America owe a huge debt of gratitude to Murray who played a pivotal and leading role in Fast Track becoming law, and now Senator Murray is considering challenging Senator Dick Durbin for a key leadership position in the Senate Democratic caucus.1

This is unacceptable. Supporting Fast Track and playing a crucial role in the passage of this corporate power grab, should disqualify Murray from consideration for a leadership position within the Senate Democratic caucus.

We need to send a message now that there is a price to pay for Democrats casting votes that serve corporations instead of constituents – and part of that price is being denied promotion to Democratic leadership in the Senate.

Tell Senate Democrats: Sen. Patty Murray's vote for Fast Track for TPP makes her unfit to serve in any leadership position in the Senate Democratic caucus. Click here to sign the petition.

Murray is specifically considering a run to be the Democratic whip in the U.S. Senate, which would put her in position to round up votes from Senate Democrats on issues ranging from economic justice to climate change. It is crucial for progressives to have a leader in this position who has a record of standing up to corporate interests.

Not only did Murray vote for Fast Track, she helped lead the effort to gather key Democratic votes after cutting a cynical deal with Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. On the Senate floor, as the bill struggled to reach 60 votes, Murray negotiated a deal trading a vote on reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank, a government agency "that subsidizes foreign purchasers of U.S.-made products," in exchange for enough support from Democrats putting Fast Track over the top.2

According to reports, Murray appeared to be doing this at the behest of Boeing and other major corporations, for whom passage of both the Export-Import Bank reauthorization bill and Fast Track were major legislative priorities.3 Boeing, based in Washington, claims it relies on the bank to sell their planes overseas. Sen. McConnell broke his promise to hold a vote on reauthorizing the bank, yet Murray voted yes anyway.

Tell Senate Democrats: Sen. Patty Murray's vote for Fast Track for TPP makes her unfit to serve in any leadership position in the Senate Democratic caucus. Click here to sign the petition.

We need Democrats in leadership positions who will uphold and defend the values of progressive constituencies, not work to pass legislation at the top of the Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street’s wish list.

We need to show Democratic members of the Senate that selling out their progressive base in favor of corporate interests will have a cost when they aspire to attain key leadership positions. Click the link below to sign the petition:

http://act.credoaction.com/sign/tpp_sellout?t=7&akid=15018.4833456.vWWqEy

Thank you for speaking out. Your activism matters.

Murshed Zaheed, Deputy Political Director CREDO Action from Working Assets

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[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Signed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I like these actions that use the voting record. Time for the public to kick ass on what their representatives are doing in office.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks to the tireless work of everyday Americans like you, the Fast Track bill was stalled and the debate surrounding the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) reached the national spotlight.

However ...

Through procedural tricks, members of Congress who serve Big Business interests were just barely able to force the Fast Track bill through the House and Senate and onto the president’s desk.

On Monday, President Barack Obama signed Fast Track into law.

I won’t try to sugarcoat it. This is bad news.

It means that so-called trade deals like the secret TPP will get special treatment in Congress — extremely limited debate and no amendments allowed.

Even though the text is secret, leaks reveal that the TPP contains widespread threats to U.S. jobs and wages, affordable medicines, safe foods, Wall Street regulations, clean energy laws and more.

There is too much at stake to accept defeat.

Though Fast Track is now law, we still can and must defeat the TPP.

Are you still with us?

Add your name now if you will never stop fighting the TPP.

All of the work we did together against Fast Track — writing and calling our representatives, attending rallies, explaining the TPP to friends and neighbors — doesn’t go out the window now that the bill has passed.

Public Citizen President Robert Weissman had this to say about our work:

“In carrying forward the fight, and raising the profile ... we refocused the national debate on trade and globalization policy in a way that has been absent for 20 years. We’re going to have a very, very tough fight on our hands to try and stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership from proceeding, but thanks to the fight we had over Fast Track, I think we’re looking at a dying model of trade policy.”

Activists across the country have built an unprecedented coalition of environmental groups, LGBT activists, farmers, consumer advocates and 100 percent of the labor movement, working to stop corporate-rigged trade.

This coalition will not quietly fade into the sunset. No — we will continue the hard work of defending everyday people from the corporate greed at the heart of the TPP.

Fast Track’s passage was disappointing, but it does not seal the deal for the TPP.

We’ve stopped corporate-rigged trade deals before. And we’ll do it again.

You’ve probably never heard of the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). That’s because it never came to pass.

That would-be trade deal aimed to expand NAFTA’s race-to-the-bottom to include 31 additional countries. Negotiations began in 1994 and continued for several years despite growing protests. Congress even passed Fast Track to pave the way for the secret deal, just as it did last week for the TPP.

Back then, with Fast Track passed, it looked like the FTAA was a done deal. But international public demand forced negotiators to release the secret text. Once the corporate demands contained in the text were laid bare, opposition to the deal skyrocketed and countries started to back out. The last negotiations were held in 2003, and that was the end of the FTAA.

We can defeat the TPP. If we stay strong and stick together.

Sign the pledge to keep fighting the TPP.

Thanks for all you do.

In solidarity,

Melanie Foley Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch

Public Citizen employees are members of SEIU Local 500. We support the right of workers in the United States and around the world to organize freely. Union Yes!

© 2015 Public Citizen • 215 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE, 3rd Floor / Washington, D.C. 20003

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You know what a disaster the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would be for our country.

We need you to call your member of Congress TODAY to demand they vote no on “fast track” -- the undemocratic law that “greases the skids” for TPP by forcing a vote with little debate and no amendments.

Click here to call your member of Congress.

It doesn’t matter whether your member of Congress supports, opposes or is undecided about fast track. The phone calls of CAF activists and hundreds of other groups will swamp Congress with calls – if we all call TODAY.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Wow DK, you're coming along nicely as an "activist" now, good. Will you gradually be going back trying to coopt this movement into the rotten Democratic Party?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 4 minutes ago

Wow DK, you're coming along nicely as an "activist" now, good. Will you gradually be going back trying to coopt this movement into the rotten Democratic Party?

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"Will you gradually be going back trying to coopt this movement into the rotten Democratic Party?"

That is something I have never done - that is something only you and your bullshit opt-out pushing buddies continue to say to throw mud at me.

Are you ever gonna attack the rethuglican power structure?

As there is a very real difference between the rethuglicans in office and the dems in office ( yes some of which are dethuglicans but not 100% like the rethuglicans).

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Yes, I agree, "there is a very real difference between the rethuglicans in office and the..[Democraps] in office". The Republicans are far more blatant in screwing us, and the Democrats are much more insidious in doing so. Take for instance your Democrap President who is trying to shove the TPP down our throats. I don't have time to talk about sleazeball Democrap Senators Schumer, Menendez and former Senator Clinton, now. Would you start trashing them for me? Thanks.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 minutes ago

Yes, I agree, "there is a very real difference between the rethuglicans in office in office and the..[Democraps] in office". The Republicans are far more blatant in screwing us, and the Democrats are much more insidious in doing so. Take for instance your Democrap President who is trying to shove the TPP down our throats. I don't have time to talk about sleazeball Democrap Senators Schumer, Menendez and former Senator Clinton, now. Would you start trashing them for me? Thanks.

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So what do you have time for? Let me share a thought that I just expressed on another post:

Yes protest must be fluid - BUT - protest must also fuel unity in taking action - REVOLUTION being something that makes what was once illegal and makes it legal or the converse - taking something that is legal and making it illegal - pertains to the people controlling government or the very few controlling government - as to what actions will be supported = for the few or for ALL.

Protest that does not involve the uniting of the people to take control of government - will see no lasting result for good for ALL.

Please take a moment and consider:

How to Solve America's Biggest Problems with Bernie Sanders! https://youtu.be/y4DsRfmj5aQ via @YouTube

and

Bernie Sanders Minneapolis Town Hall-Full Speech https://youtu.be/tdCOk9BDVbs via @YouTube

If you want to get past failed protest.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Sanders belongs to the corrupt Democratic Party, the same rotten party that your president belongs to! No matter how you try to convince people with your new tactic, of being an activist, you have long ago exposed yourself as as a hacker for the Democrats who is trying to have Occupy swallowed up by your corporate owned party..

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Sanders belongs to the corrupt Democratic Party, the same rotten party that your president belongs to! No matter how you try to convince people with your new tactic, of being an activist, you have long ago exposed yourself as as a hacker for the Democrats who is trying to have Occupy swallowed up by your corporate owned party..

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There ya go again = erroneous/false conflation.

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You equate a "do nothing" with anyone who does not vote for the corrupt Democrats or Republicans, right?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 minutes ago

You equate a "do nothing" with anyone who does not vote for the corrupt Democrats or Republicans, right?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

There ya go again = erroneous/false conflation.

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Will you be taking comments down from posters who do not agree with you? If that isn't repression, I don't know what is. Do you believe that all the people at the Left Forum are "rethuglicans" too? ...laughing

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Will you be taking comments down from posters who do not agree with you? If that isn't repression, I don't know what is. Do you believe that all the people at the Left Forum are "rethuglicans" too? ...laughing

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Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.

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[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

And your "goal" is to take over this Occupy forum with any tactic you can think of. You have made this a most inhospitable place for anyone who does not believe your partisan Democrat bullshit.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 7 minutes ago

And your "goal" is to take over this Occupy forum with any tactic you can think of. You have made this a most inhospitable place for anyone who does not believe your partisan Democrat bullshit.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

There ya go again = erroneous/false conflation.

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.

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[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I would love to share more of what I do. I've made close to 200 trips to NYC for this movement, but I am well aware of your penchant for denigrating people who do not swallow your hacking bullshit. You are like nobody that I know in Occupy. I could not believe that you referred to the poster 'beautifulworld' as "bitchworld." To say that to anyone is shitty, but to a woman... that's the classic example of you being a low life!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 6 minutes ago

I would love to share more of what I do. I've made close to 200 trips to NYC for this movement, but I am well aware of your penchant for denigrating people who do not swallow your hacking bullshit. You are like nobody that I know in Occupy. I could not believe that you referred to the poster 'beautifulworld' as "bitchworld." To say that to anyone is shitty, but to a woman... that's the classic example of you being a low life!

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.


BTW - just how misogynistic are you - that you feel that bitchworld can't defend herself?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Speak-up Speak-out (the attached petition offers you the ability to add to the message - speak out against fast track and the TPP because worker abuse is not restricted to any one industry and will be so much worse if TPP is fast tracked & passed)


"The company lied." Watch John Oliver on the Abusive Chicken Industry and Take Action

The chicken industry has a secret history of abuse. This story isn't about chickens (though there's plenty to say about that). This is about the powerful poultry industry reaping massive profits on the backs of our farmers and retaliating when they speak out.

Chicken is America's most popular meat, yet many chicken farmers are living below or near the poverty line. And when these farmers try to change the conditions that have forced many to live like indentured servants on their own land — these companies bully them.

This is unacceptable. Watch John Oliver's revealing piece and send a message to Congress to protect chicken farmers from retaliation by Big Poultry.

Food & Water Watch has been working on this problem for years, and we've seen small, incremental steps toward progress. But every time we move forward, the powerful poultry lobby exerts their influence over members of Congress to block common-sense protections for farmers.

It's past time for Congress to wake up and stop caving to special interest money. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (OH-9) has introduced an amendment that would protect chicken farmers from retaliation if they speak out against abuses by Big Poultry.

Watch this clip, then tell Congress to support Rep. Kaptur's amendment to protect farmers.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Please take the following survey.

It would be my hope that you would tell the Bold Progressives (?) that Hillary is a very poor choice to campaign for for the office of president.

Why?

Her silence (no position taken) on TPP. This one issue alone is about saving democracy and not handing over our country to the wealthy/multinationals - She should be attacking TPP and Fast Tracking with every ounce of energy that She has - IF - She is for the people and for the survival of democracy.

There is an option that will come up in one of the survey questions where you could say that your support if not for Hillary would go to another candidate. Bernie will be one of the other candidates that you could choose on this question to support and there are a few others that will also be presented to you for your consideration/choice/selection as well - I went with Bernie.

http://act.boldprogressives.org/survey/survey_2015_hillary/?source=e9-3mo&t=1&akid=27224.1568713.NcqwXw

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just another symptom of the fall of civilization.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

FYI = post edited - added your you-tube link and a letter and petition.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Excellent.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

TPP and fast track are two issues which must get shut-down.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Yes. TPP is so hazardous, that no one can see it including our fake president.. Perhaps, $ crash gives excuse for TPP and Military crack down.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Does He NOT see it? I think he does - and as such is all the more reason that the people need a real voice in what happens in government. We can not rely on any single person to always do what is sane/right. Not letting the public see it - is being done with the purpose of letting it get passed prior to public understanding of their danger and is why their is a gag order on the government and the press to keep it from being talked about.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Good work.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Seems like our best tool is word of mouth sharing. Thankfully word of mouth can now go over the internet with video and article attachments.

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[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

TPP Fast Track Passed Today 6/18/15

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Those F'n ASSHOLES - do you have a vote breakdown?

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Do not have breakdown yet. Sovereignty ending. Declaration Of War against us.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tweet -

Fast Track Passed?

Does everyone realize what that means?

Send an E-mail to those who voted for it - "TO LEAVE OFFICE"

government

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Most Americans have no idea about what just happened.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Update:

House Passes Fast-Track Trade Bill, but Senate Outcome Uncertain Wall Street Journal · 2 hours ago

... Barack Obama the power to submit trade deals to Congress for an up-or-down vote without amendments. But the …

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Every single individual who voted for passage should be removed from office - and everyone should send em an e-mail to say so.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Agree. We are the resistance. Will look for list.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you find it - it deserves it's own post to list the individuals and their contact information - And - that post should be shared out for others to take part in.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Yes

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We (the people) have got to get serious and get organized - AND REMOVE THESE ASSHOLES FROM OFFICE

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Reid is against TPP, but our other senator (Heller) is for it. We will be contacting Heller a lot.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Thank you for posting this.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Seriously Neat. Open the voting link - click on a congressman's name and it brings-up their contact information!!!!!

Sample e-mail that could be sent:

So - I see by your vote for the TPA that you must be getting ready to retire from public service and return to the private sector and get to work - because you certainly are not working for the people!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I thought that you could add it to your post.

I also tweeted -

govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h374 …

If u want 2 know who to REMOVE from congress - open the vote link on TPA and note those who voted YES

Share the list

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

And then vote out the ones who supported the bailouts. Then the ones who support the war. Then those who support the GMOs. Then the ones that support... pick a fucked up issue.

By the time you are done, it should be clear that it is COMPANY POLICY you are dealing with, not a few rogue individuals.

So then tell me there Mr rocket Scientist, whats a good plan to address that?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

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[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

They seriously considered trying to push fast track through today, as a rider on other legislation. They got pressure and they backed off. Have sent many communications to our congressman about all this.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/emergency-report-2nd-tpp-sneak-attack-coming-tuesd/

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just think of the crap that would never happen - IF - One Subject At A Time Legislation was ever enacted.

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[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Exactly. The thing is, they love the crap. We have to watch them every minute. Our congressman hates me.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

There are too many assholes in office. Most all of em have no conception of the idea of public service - public service which is supposed to be the name of their job. Bernie Sanders and a few others like Elizabeth Warren on the other-hand DO understand that their job "IS" all about public service (service to the public).

Could the public through uniting in a Direct Democracy Action make needed changes? Move To Amend is (I feel) something along the lines of a direct democracy action. Are we missing a more full potential for action?

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Yes, most politicians have no concept of public service, and serve only the Homicidal Bohemian Grove Pedophiles.

We The People must take direct action.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

TPP stalled again - who stalled it? It wasn't the rethuglicans.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Good News

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

More good news . . . . . . . well . . .. . kind of . . . .. the G7 :

Dear Avaazers,

“The Our appeals followed G7 Chair Angela Merkel everywhere for 6 weeks. Many told us it was a pipe dream, but the G7 Summit of leading world powers just committed to getting the global economy off fossil fuels forever!!!

Even the normally cynical media is raving that this is a huge deal.

And it's one giant step closer to a huge win at the Paris summit in December -- where the entire world could unite behind the same goal of a world without fossil fuels -- the only way to save us all from catastrophic climate change.

For 2 years our community has led global public mobilisation for this goal, including:

spearheading the gigantic, momentum-changing, 700,000 strong climate march last year a 2.7 million person petition for 100% clean/0 carbon delivered to dozens of key leaders scores of rallies, high-level lobbying meetings, opinion polls, and ad campaigns, all funded by our community a 3 month all-out push for the G7 summit leadership, especially German Chancellor Angela Merkel, to put this on the agenda and agree to this goal

Our work is far from done, but it's a day to celebrate -- click here to read more and say congratulations to everyone else in this incredibly wonderful community!!

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/paris_here_we_come/?bGfGZcb&v=60188

“TheWe spearheaded the largest climate march in history - nearly 700,000 strong and a game-changer for political momentum. Just last year climate change seemed to many of us like a behemoth that was dooming our species to a significant probability of extinction due to our own stupidity and corruption.

But with hope, and good strategy, (the Avaaz effect:)), and the efforts of many leaders like German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Pope Francis, and organisations like our friends at 350 and the Guardian newspaper's work on fossil fuel divestment, as well as killer research from groups like the World Resources Institute, most experts now believe the tide is turning, and momentum is building to get a global deal in Paris this year that will set the world on course to a solution. It will be a long fight, we cannot afford to drop our guard, but today, we celebrate a battle won!!!

With gratitude and joy,

Ricken, Alice, Emma, Iain, and the whole Avaaz team

PS: the G7 declaration is just a commitment, and we need to hold them accountable, but commitments matter - sending an immediate signal to dirty and clean energy investors that will help accelerate the clean-energy boom we desperately need. There's more info on the summit and how we helped win this on our celebration page:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/paris_here_we_come/?bGfGZcb&v=60188

Sources:

Merkel convinces Canada and Japan on CO2 (Politico) http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-canada-japan-emissions-pledge/

G7 leaders bid 'Auf Wiedersehen' to carbon fuels (Reuters) http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/g7-summit-idINKBN0OO25120150608

Avaaz.org is a 41-million-person global campaign network that works to ensure that the views and values of the world's people shape global decision-making. ("Avaaz" means "voice" or "song" in many languages.) Avaaz members live in every nation of the world; our team is spread across 18 countries on 6 continents and operates in 17 languages. Learn about some of Avaaz's biggest campaigns here, or follow us on Facebook or Twitter.


It's only "kind of" good news - as - so far it is not at all binding.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Good post. Although, I didn't have the time to read all your links, I agree that is good news. It looks like the criminmal elite are being forced to deal with the reality of global warming.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well well well - look who is here - one of the opt-out do nothing Judas goat mutts!

HUH.

Still trying to maintain cover I see.

This is the truth = you and your twinkle/stinkle team mutts - will never be more than at the very least "suspect" - as you never forward anything for the public to unite "in" to take action to remove thugs from office and take control of government for the people.

Yeah yeah yeah - you spout a lot of anti-establishment politi-speak - but you - never - ever - forward anything as a plan of action for the public to change the structure of government.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Go away. Your version of "opt out" is twisted. I would like to think that you have no idea what this struggle is about, but I know better. You just want to change it into something that is more easily controlled if our focus was to buy into the corrupt political process.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

17th track "(We will endlessly argue meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic)"

We will endlessly argue meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic

We get that from the rethuglicans.

We will tell you that we have something good.

But when asked what that is - we can't formulate a straight answer.

So we will go back to arguing a meaningless self defeating circular logic.

Like:

Don't vote because that won't help - just protest instead because that will make everything better all by itself.

And if you don't accept that and refute it - we will gang-up on you and stinkle team you relentlessly - because that proves that we are right and you are wrong. It goes hand in hand with our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic.

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

EXACTLY !!! Occupier's are not "Groupies" ... they stand on their own !! as individuals ... they do NOT pick or join a side ...

they focus on getting to & promoting the truth...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it really is. But it is not the end of the story - not yet. Pressure must be maintained.

AND

Eventually the rethuglicans who are lock step in support of this crap must be removed from office to end the recurring threat.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Love Avaaz. Regarding the application of pressure----We are just getting started.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We can only be successful - by removing the thugs who are against us from office. Until then the public will only ever be offered a sop to keep them from bringing out the pitchforks.

There are those who say (for various reasons) that the public can not make the necessary changes at the polls. I call them - beaten down (at the very best) and agents in support of the current status-quo = Judas Goats at the very worst. As there are actually people who feel that they can not make a change by voting in good people to office and removing bad people from office - and then - there are those who are determined to stop the people from taking that action.

People - a query.

Why do democrats defend the public voting rights and the rethuglicans work to remove the voting right?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Growing in importance by leaps and bounds DAILY - www.MoveToAmend.org

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

More reason for the people to get busy in all 50 states to take control of government.

" WASHINGTON -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) stunned Wall Street this week with a scathing letter to Securities and Exchange Commission Chair Mary Jo White. The letter said White had been soft on high finance felons, but raised eyebrows in the nation's capital for another reason -- publicly accusing White of "misleading" Warren in a private meeting. "

Here's What Elizabeth Warren And The SEC Are Really Fighting About

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

The faux Democrat vs Republican debate is how we got here. Both parties answer to the interests of their main benefactors, BIG MONEY. The bribes to Obama from Wall St is why there are no big bankers in jail, and it is also why the corrupt beat goes on.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

The faux Democrat vs Republican debate is how we got here. Both parties answer to the interests of their main benefactors, BIG MONEY. The bribes to Obama from Wall St is why there are no big bankers in jail, and it is also why the corrupt beat goes on.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

9th track: (Take no action) "as Nothing can be done - believe us!"

We support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Me not supporting your corrupt Democrats, or Republicans is not the same as me supporting the "status quo." And you are not a rebel for doing the same thing that we have been doing for the past 40+ years. No matter how you twist the English language, that's a fact.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Lugey??? Is mdonelly another puppet of yours? I only ask - as - I have not made a comment to it - and yet - it responds as though I have.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Yes, I do understand how your little partisan mind works. Denigate anyone who is not a partisan corrupt Demoocrat, and make yourself out to be an Occupier, right? I guess, anything goes when you are a political hack. I do not know anyone in Occupy who thinks lke you. That's encouraging though.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Repeating the neocon line and twisting the English language over and over again as you do is not the same as saying anyting that is worthwhile. In fact it is one of the methods that they used to get us here.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So sorry to pop your bubble - BUT - if anyone is being = neo-conservative - it would be you and your opt-out Cadre - and who knows how many of those are not actually yourself in sock puppet mode.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You're right the Left forum was nothing like an AIPAC meeting. The people that I met and talked to followed there conscience, and not the MIC and BIG MONEY dollar sign. Oh, you didn't say that, did you??

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No no you said that. As you always do. You conflate the dems with the rethuglicans - but - you never show the proof to your accusations.

I say put your claimed hypothesis to the test.

If each is as bad as the other - then - it should make no difference as to who is in majority.

So

Lets vote out every rethuglican that is in office (local state and federal) and confirm the fact that things will not get better for the people.

I mean the rethuglicans have already come out as being solidly against the individual citizen.

So.

To prove your point that the dems are no better - we should remove every rethuglican from office and see if things remain the same.

RIGHT?

I mean it can't get any worse if you are correct and both parties are the same.

RIGHT?

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

The Democrats are far more insidious than Republicans because they play the part of being for the people while they screw us. The Repiblicans are far more blatant, and you would have to be crazy to vote for them. I will not take part, or see Occupy sucked into this good cop, bad cop routine. Hence, I do understand your reason for being here.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUCH A BRAZEN FOOL. But it fits with your being a lackey of the 1%. How much do you hate yourself? And if you do not - just exactly how sick does that make you?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Its incredible to watch people who support the millionaires club of Democrats and Republicans, and constantly give them more and more power over all of us, tell everyone else they are lackeys for the 1%.

How on earth did you ever become a moderator on this place?

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

It's a total co-opt job of the 1%, the frightened little greedy buggers doing everything they can to stop a movement, that I have news for them, is gonna rise up like the Phoenix one day. Look at history, you can keep the people down for just so long....

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Spreading lies, and denigrating anyone who is not a corrupt Democrat is your modus operandi as it is for just about any political hacker.

[-] 0 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Twinkle

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

TWINKLE.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Replying here. You are by far and away the biggest CORRUPT DEMOCRAT hack on here, DK!!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You love the rethuglicans don't you. Why is that? Are you a member of the ruling rethuglican families? Just how much of a thrill do you get in imagining you stepping onto someones throat? That is what you do to millions of people - if not in real throat crushing under your foot - then you have the satisfaction of doing that throat crushing "economically".

Just exactly how sad and pathetic are you and yours?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So you say - and I can't fault you in your attack on me ( your being a supporter of the 1%) - the only thing that really outs you as a fake - IS - the fact that you never EVER forward anything that the public should unite in in taking control of government.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

By proxy, Obama is YOUR President, not mine.. He belongs to YOUR CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC PARTY that you continuously shill for! and the party that has sold out the American people long ago.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Like I have said multiple times - I am not a die hard democrat. You However - However much you deny any party affiliation - your conduct points you out as being a 100% 1% supporter - in plain speak that equals you as being a rethuglican. Happy to suppress a vote and who gives a fuck about gaining a vote.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Again, not being a supporter of YOUR CORRUPT President who is trying to pass the TPP.... err makes me a "lackey of the 1%"?! Are you laughing too?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

SO - you are stating that you are not a legal citizen of the USA? Am I laughing? At You? Honestly. YES. Quite Often.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

So you want us to support more people like YOUR corrupt, TPP and droning innocent civilian supporting, Democratic President? And you think that it will be different this time if we do? Surely you can't be that gullible. Are you running on all cylinders?? ..lol

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Thanks for asking. I had some really good conversations with people at the Left Forum. and at the Kshama Sawant benefit at the Unitarian church on Sunday night. I did not meet anyone who was anything like you though. Err... sorry you didnt ask, did you?

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22780) 2 years ago

TWINKLE. Go Kshama Sawant! Solidarity!

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

That's how Kshama ended her speech at the Unitarian church, Solidarity!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here........relive your glory weekend: Watch Left Forum 2015 on @Livestream: http://livestream.com/accounts/6754733/events/4070733?t=1432944150317

Though I really do not know what you are glorying in. From what I have seen there was not much brought up as in being proactive to make positive change in our society. What I did see was a lot of shared anger angst anguish. Didn't seem real productive to me.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

There is nothing "positive" about you continuously advocating for one of the corrupt parties who got us to this point. Both parties are irreparably corrupt. The fact is that you are a hacker who still cheer leads for one.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Prove your claim. Prove that the dems are just the same (just as bad as) as the rethuglicans. One of your other alter egos says that he would never vote for a rethuglican - that that was just a no brainer - like shooting fish in a barrel. PROVE that the dems are just as bad as the rethuglicans.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You can support the party of YOUR President, and say that his views are different from yours, but anyone who has seen your lies knows better.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

There you go again, conflating "opting out" with people not voting for one of YOUR CORRUPT DEMOCRATS. I suspect it is difficult for you to know what is up or down living in Coon Rapids

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You only ever promote one thing = opt-out

That is not my thing - it is yours.

Show me where I am wrong.

Start posting actions that the public should unite in supporting.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You don't want to discuss this with me? What's up with that? You seem to have a penchant for denigrating anyone who does not agree with YOUR CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC President and you.

Two posters in particular, "lugano" and "beautifulworld" do a super job of articulating what this struggle is about. Yet you trash them on a regular basis, even calling the latter, a woman, "bitchworld." I do realize that it is a necessity for hacks (like yourself) to smear anyone who does not go along with your bullshit.

[-] 0 points by gsw (3054) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

I agree, Good points.

Why all the hostility? DKA Why so personal?

Once you even moderated?

Now seems like you too much personal hairsplittings on how many angels can fit on a pin. Make peace not war, you guys. Agree to disagree.

I do fall more to the side of Lugano, bwtter, etc, as this is the occupy site, not a dem party site.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OH MY - you make me laugh. You present your opt-out 1% supporting cronies - as - what? - angels? - REALLY? OH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR A STRONG HEART - OR THIS FOOL MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE ME LAUGH MYSELF TO DEATH.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

"Prove my claim"? Err...my proof is sitting in the White House, and he is one of the overwhelming majority of politicians who have betrayed us, and he is YOUR President...and he is a corrupt DEMOCRAT.... too ..;-) !!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are so fucking lame. You have no game. You are a waste of what ever your masters are paying you. Please go away and have one of your betters try to push your masters agenda. Because - TRULY - you suck!

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Are you talking about the "anguish" that is brought on by YOUR corrupt, DEMOCRATIC President, and the MIC supporting, DEMOCRATIC candidates running for President..against a field of corrupt, war mongering REPUBLICANS?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That seems to be your favorite fantasy world - heaven only knows why you love and support the rethuglicans in office.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

9th track: (Take no action) "as Nothing can be done - believe us!"

We support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I ain't not taking "..no action." I'm NOT supporting people who belong to the same corrupt Democratic party as YOUR President, or his fellow neocons either! You know the ones who are trying to get the TPP passed.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We've been over this before. OH-Bummer is as much your president as he is mine.

You forward nothing and no-one to make a change.

All you do - IS - tell people that the system is corrupt and that they can't make a difference,

Sooooooooooooooooo.....................FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

WOW, more PROFANITY from the little frustrated, partisan man form Coon Rapids! Obama is YOUR President, and he belongs to the corrupt, Democratic Party that you are continuously advocating for. BTW...err is that really the name of a town?... lol

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is really funny to see you act so offended at profanity expressed at you - I mean - you must have received a pretty much unending stream of it since you 1st started spouting your crap in public - what are you 10 (a millennial self involved idiot) by now?

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Here's a link to a report from Elizabeth Warren about how we have failed to enforce trade agreements:

http://www.warren.senate.gov/files/documents/BrokenPromises.pdf

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hell frf - on the world stage - that is just not nearly as important as the corruption of FIFA. Wall street criminals as well as world bank criminals would have been prosecuted if they had been as important.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

FIFA? that was days ago, I can hardly remember it, I've been scared to death for near two weeks by the bad men from NY.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In all seriousness though - it is something the public really needs to consider.

tweet -

Broken trade agreement promises. http://www.warren.senate.gov/files/documents/BrokenPromises.pdf … Do you really think that as secret as it is - that TPP will be better?

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Yes, and we must remember that we have a Democratic President that is pushing the TPP on us. Then we have a Democratic candiadte who has yet come out against it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 minutes ago

Yes, and we must remember that we have a Democratic President that is pushing the TPP on us. Then we have a Democratic candiadte who has yet come out against it.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

By GOD "you" have a valid point. Wait a sec - your point is nothing new - it just recaps things that I as well as others have already pointed out.

Now - can you walk the walk - and forward something for the people to unite in - to take control of government?

I expect the answer to be NO. You will just go back to your opt-out bullshit.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

So you want us to believe the next Democratic presidential candidate won't be lying like Obama did?!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

9th track: (Take no action) "as Nothing can be done - believe us!"

We support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Do you view, putting on your socks in the morning as an "action". I guess when you continue to shill for more CORRUPTED Democrats, it is a major one.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"

As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities

Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc

Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:

"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"

"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"

Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.

We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.

Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

And btw Dkh.., I have walked more miles literally, and talked with more good people about and for this struggle than you can imagine

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 minutes ago

And btw Dkh.., I have walked more miles literally, and talked with more good people about and for this struggle than you can imagine

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[EDIT] Walking the walk - IS NOT = pissing and moaning and telling people to opt-out.

Just thought you should know.

EDIT-> At "BEST" you and your opt-out buddies are sadly clueless. But you are so determined - I find it hard to believe that you are not supporter/serfs of the 1%.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

My "opt-out buddies"?? Repeating lies, denigrating anyone who is not a partisan dumbell and using catch phrases over and over again is how this corrupt system advances itself. These twisted semantics are one of the main tools for numbing us.. Obviously, you have already learned that, either from the DNC, HS, or probably directly from the lobbyists, where most of it emanates from.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 1 minute ago

My "opt-out buddies"?? Repeating lies, denigrating anyone who is not partisan dumbell and using catch phrases over and over again is how this corrupt system advances itself. These twisted semantics are one of the main tools for numbing us.. Obviously, you have already learned that, either from the DNC, HS, or probably directly from the lobbyists, where most of it emanates from.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

YES - you and your opt-out buddies.

As -

There ya go again = erroneous/false conflation.

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.

[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

The one who trying his best to squash this revolution is you. Actually your effoerts have enlightend most of us as to what we are up against.. The biggie is that people like you have caused the proliferation of our struggle. We are everywhere now.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

My "point" is your Democrats suck too, and they will NOT bring about real change.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

My "point" is your Democrats suck too, and they will NOT bring about real change.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

There ya go again = erroneous/false conflation.

Your goal? Apparently to get people to do nothing.

The result? Full ownership of government by the 1%.

You present nothing that would change my opinion of you and your opt-out and give up control Cadre.

You talk revolution - but you forward nothing that would support your "talk". You have "NO" walk - to go along with your "talk".

Basically you are exactly like rethuglicans = trying to suppress the vote.


You have never considered the idea of co-opting the democratic party or of destroying outright the rethuglicans.

All you ever forward (as to your plan of action) - IS - to opt out. And that is nothing more than handing everything over to the wealthy and the corp(se)oRATions to do with as they please.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I suppose your GOP buddies will stop it?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tooooooooo funny frf

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Just finishing up listening to the Bernie speech here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4DsRfmj5aQ&feature=youtu.be

from March 31 this year, thanks for posting it.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

It is a sign of political trepidation for Hillary not to have come out long ago and forcefuly against the passage of the TPP. She's perplexed, and no doubt, dealing with the tactical side of this issue because she knows that she is caught between a rock and a hard place. This is not an issue from the past, or something way off on the horizon, it's current, it's NOW!! And it is far more difficult for her to talk out of both sides of her mouth , now when you have an awoken citizenry who well knows how deleterious the TPP would be to people, if put into law.

That scenario, whether you agree with it, or not.... could NOT have happened before Occupy!!! That's inarguable! It was them...it was us.... who changed the lexicon... the way of thinking in this country.... and we learned the truths, and realized how screwed up our system was, and how our politicians had honed the art of doule speak. .. Then most of us who wanted a 'just' change, went on,.. reaching out, and and sharing our knowledge.

Twenty years, or so ago (in particular), the dilema that she faces would have been a bit of a problem for her. NOW though after Occupy's radical people, she has a political CRISIS!

If she supports the passage of the TPP, then when Sanders loses, she cannot expect to seduce the disgruntled left (that's not just us) into her corrupt Democratic Party, for support in the general election. Then if Hillary comes out against the TPP, she may well lose the support of her criminal benefactors that she counted on. You can be certain that this is a HUGE topic of conversation with her staff...err and probably the lobbyists, the bankers and the corporate bigee's too. Not us tho...

This may be disappointing to some people here ;), but people who want an honest government that lives by, and promotes peace and justice are NOT radicals. It's the system that is not just radical, but criminal as well

This is all interesting to ponder, but we will never have systemic changes with candidates from either of these two rotten parties. They are corrupt beyond repair!

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Senate Passes Bill Granting 'Fast Track' TPP Authority http://rt.com/usa/261321-senate-trade-deal-authority-passes/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Now we gotta see what congress does - will there be enough opposition?


So many are working so hard to make changes to our food supply that would make it safer and more sustainable, but right now we also have those trying just as hard to keep the status quo or even submarine our efforts.

On the bright side, today is International Biodiversity Day and Dr. Vandana Shiva has a great message and a couple of films on her website that you can find here: http://seedfreedom.info/a-message-from-dr-vandana-shiva-for-international-biodiversity-day-and-march-against-monsanto/.

Tomorrow is the world wide Third Annual March Against Monsanto and you can find more on that effort by going to their website: http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/ If you click on Events it might take a moment to load but there is a list of all of the marches and their organizers and pages.

On the other side of the issue, we have the Dark Act which would Deny Americans the Right to Know: https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/your-representative-supporting-dark-act and the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and Trade Promotion Authority (better known as Fast Track) If you don't know about this, then here is a great place to find out more: http://www.exposethetpp.org/ and if you are on Facebook, you can find out more in your state groups with names like Expose the TPP - (your state's name spelled out). There is a national page called Expose the TPP USA and another called Flush the TPP. Why do we care so deeply about this issue? It is a secret trade deal and one of the companies who helped plan the language is no other than Monsanto. Please check with our good friends at Organic Consumers Association (OCA) for their latest info and action items. Half way down this page look for "Don't Let Congress "Fast-Track" Dangerous Trade Deals": https://www.organicconsumers.org/categories/politics-globalization

We are moving forward. We are making progress. Just stay the course and do what you can. To all those speaking and marching tomorrow, we are with you in spirit. Thank you for stepping out of your comfort zone and standing up for your family, friends, neighbors and fellow citizens.

Our best to you all,

Moms Across America http://www.momsacrossamerica.com/

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

So many wonderful people, trying so hard. Thank you for post.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

There are more - so many people and so many groups working towards uniting the people to take positive action - this is where the millions of people (as Bernie also rightfully says are needed) that are needed to make necessary change will come from.


The controversial bill that would put the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) on the Fast Track to approval just passed in the Senate. We need to stop it before it moves any further in the House.

Big Business is lobbying hard to push this bill through, so your U.S. Rep needs to know where you stand.

Send an urgent message to Rep. Erik Paulsen— Vote NO on the Fast Track bill in the House.

Nearly all environmental organizations and advocates for the public interest (like us) are opposed to Fast Track and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. All labor groups are opposed. Trade deals like the TPP have lost us millions of good paying jobs with benefits (we lost 700,000 with NAFTA alone) by shipping work overseas to countries with lax environmental and labor protections.

Passing the TPP would be repeating history, with potentially worse consequences. This deal would expedite fracking by increasing exports of fracked gas and threaten food safety by allowing a flood of cheap imports. Most concerning of all, it includes a key provision that would allow foreign companies to sue over democratically-enacted local laws — like banning fracking or labeling GMOs — if they claim it hurts their anticipated profits.

The only ones who benefit from the TPP are massive corporations and their bottom line. Tell your U.S. Rep: Vote NO on Fast Track for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

This massive trade deal is making headlines, in part because of the unlikely partnership between the Obama Administration, Republicans and the Chamber of Commerce — all pushing to put the TPP on the fast track to approval. Meanwhile, progressive leaders like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and countless others are siding with advocates for the environment, labor and the public interest. So why is Obama pushing for this pro-big business trade deal? Unfortunately, corporate special interests are a powerful force on both sides of the aisle. But if the public stands together in firm opposition to fast tracking the TPP, we're more powerful than they are.

The Fast Track bill would expedite approval of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, limiting public input even further. This deal was written and negotiated in secret, among some of the world's most powerful corporations, while Congress and the public have been shut out. The text of the trade deal is housed in a secure room, and members of Congress can read it but they can't take notes or talk to anyone about what's in it. Last time I checked, that's not how democracy should work.

Don't we deserve to weigh in? Take action now to say NO to Fast Track for the TPP.

Thanks for being with us, Katy Kiefer Staff Photo Katy Kiefer Activist Network Manager Food & Water Watch katy(at)fwwatch(dot)org

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tweet -

Keep the Fox's out of the Henhouse/Government !

Remember? - TBTFail TBTJail even bigger after receiving public Bail

Now we face TPP ?

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33199) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (416) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Yes we now have a Democratic President trying to have the TPP passed. And you want us to vote for more of em, so that we can have Change That Will Really Screw Us?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

9th track: (Take no action) "as Nothing can be done - believe us!"

We support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base

  • by ( mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)