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Forum Post: Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan 2nd Amendment Debate on CNN 1/7/13 [HD]

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 8, 2013, 6:22 a.m. EST by RevolutionOWS (5)
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Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan 2nd Amendment Debate on CNN 1/7/13 [HD]

http://youtu.be/csJrudHn8iE

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[-] 4 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

AJ pretty much owned him on statistics, but made a huge ass out of himself in the process. If AJ would have presented the information in a manner that didn't make him look like a sociopath, he may have enriched SOME minds that are open to learning.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ya, very poor interview on all accounts. AJ goes nuts as usual, and Piers is his usual dopey self.

Time Warner isnt going to allow people to go deeper than the surface. And AJ has a hard time connecting deeper things to relevant topics in the mainstream.

Very messy.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Agreed.

He ventures of into 1776 land...

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

gun numbers:
11,000+ gun deaths in USA; 39 in England { corrected number }
62 American gun massacres in 30 years; number stopped by armed civilian 0
number of Australian massacres since new strict laws 0


doest this ever come to mind:
alex = rush + televangilist

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/article-1196941-05900df7000005dc-677_468x636.jpg

There is a lot of misinformation out there...where did you get the 35 deaths? Is that per captia?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

PER 100,000:
10.2 USA
0.25 England

wikipedia

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Thanks for the clarification.

Where does the 35 in your reply come into play?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Thanks for asking again. 39 is correct
Pierse Morgan quoted a government report from 2011 or 2012 as the total number of UK gun homicides in a year

SOURCE: table D19
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom has some older data

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I think his numbers were there purposely misguiding. Thanks for the reply!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

which numbers are "misguiding" ? What do you find is the number of gun deaths in the US & GB & what is your source

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I can find some sources for you if you'd like :)

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Well first of all Piers was ran out of media in England because he was manipulating the facts. I find my sources from national stats., not a news corp.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

please post link to your GB gun death statistics here is a link I found comprehensive
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls


The above link is directly to police statistics - go to table D19 to see the 39 that Morgan was using

[-] 4 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

alex proved himself incapable of even the basics of leadership in this interview. i used to like alex he helped bring 9-11 to the forefront and the crimes of the clinton and bush crime families as well as exposing bohemian groove. now he just sounds like a right wing deranged lunatic. i know he has always been conservative and all but he seemed to make sense before. now he just jumps to wild outlandish conclusions and lines of reasoning with no true logic involved and these libertards eat it up like candy it's fucking sad. dude could have really been a warrior for truth instead he is just a parody of himself.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Although, you have to admit, its nice to see people say fuck it and get as angry as we are, on air.

But this was more like insane ranting.

here was one of my favs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcqb9hHQ3E

[-] -1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

lol...great vid

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you support Alex Jones? "its nice to see people say fuck it and get as angry as we are, on air." Are YOU angry about gun control like him?

He was just a little insane ranty for you?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

and the gun posts continue.

I don't really care what Alex Jones or Piers Morgan have to say about anything.

Neither of them have established themselves as credible figures we should heed advice from.

Not trying to be rude, but the gun posts have been flooding the forum lately. Even though guns are in the same situation they were last year and the year before.

Do you have solutions? Where do you stand? I'd rather see a post about that.

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[-] 7 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

stop trolling me

Fuck off

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But no denunciation of the right wing wacko Alex Jones?

Interesting

[-] 6 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Dumb fucking question shows you did not read my comment

fuck off

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Y'mean cause you said "Neither of them have established themselves as credible figures we should heed advice from."

I read it. It was weak and meaningless. It also hides Jones right wing wackiness by being SILENT about it.

You spend more time criticizing that thereare so many gun posts.

So that is what is more important to you.

You want the discussion to stop because you don't support gun restrictions?

I mean, shutting down discussion on the issue is what theright wing wants, so you share that with them.

Just sayin'

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"Ventura Buries Morgan on Gun Control Debate in Sept 2012

Jessie Ventura has a debate with Piers Morgan on gun control. Remains rational, leaves Piers in the dust. Takes a little audience survey at the end and shows Piers how it’s done. No wonder they wanted to get disinfo Jones on there to remake Morgan’s image."

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/ventura-buries-morgan-on-gun-control-debate-in-sept-2012/

[-] 1 points by KevinPotts (363) 1 year ago

ATTENTION Gun Debaters…Please Read This Entire Article…‘The Riddle of the Gun’ By Sam Harris
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Brilliant tactic by piers....get a complete loon on stage to portray the other side of the debate as complete nutcases.

Why would anyone listen to either of these clowns?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Alex is Ron Paul's biggest fan and by proxy, a big fan of libe(R)tarianism..

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 1 year ago

or two dipshit assholes sht on each other's giant egos,. are you not entertained!

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[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Find a better spokesperson and it would have been presented better. Unfortunately, he needed some Prozac.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

REALLY?

Ok, I made it up to where the douchebag says, "We did it because of globalism." WTF?

no you didn't asshole.

[-] -1 points by j2345 (-1) 1 year ago

One example about the gun control issue.... Take a look at Mexico, it has some of the toughest gun laws in the world. Even with all of these gun laws, the thugs in Mexico still purchase heavy machine guns from the black market. Needless to say, banning guns will only disarm law abiding citizens, not outlaws.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I AM SOLD!!

Bring on the FEMA Death Camps!!

Make Alex Jones the Poster Boy!!

Ban Guns Now, BECAUSE Alex Jones is against it!!

If anyone out there thinks what AJ was frothing at the mouth about was a viable argument for anything but our country's desperate need for improved mental health care, seek mental health care, NOW!!

OMFUCKINGG!!

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[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

What is most disturbing is the number of Americans who believe him & rush & shawn & willard & faux noose

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It is disturbing, but even still there ARE more sensible people in the country. They must be woken up and enlisted. We must continually ridicule the wackos without mercy.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I kept thinking one kick on that stool and he would be down and how easy to panic and accidentally stomp on his throat... just kidding.

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

The moronic disrespect is what I was referring to.

I can't imagine anyone listening to, much less believing, his Hillbilly Taliban diatribe.

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[-] -1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Teabagistan was a website, but I can't find it no mo...

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Insulting stan countries too?

Great. Why stop at Tampa when you can insult other countries too!!

What a piece of shit you are.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Try playing on the freeway, why discriminate?

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[-] -1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Did you find it?

Would you wingman Hc for me, he has his little hardon on me now.

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

tamp(a neoc)on!

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Oh dear, that looks like "Tampon," the feminine sanitary devise, I'm quite sure, that ain't nice!

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Mercy please, no!

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

the truth about the left wingers always distrubs the far left when it gets out.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

As per usual you don't make sense.

[-] -1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

Jones is just a right-wing nutcase who went total batshit a long time ago. He made a fool out of himself again.

[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

WRITE CONGRESS:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasable approach. It will not solve all gun problems, but it will reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each
a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws
being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
and you may be less likely to commit a crime

2
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

3
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

you are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours
the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

peripherally-

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time - especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns.

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

I am fundamentally NOT opposed to confiscation, but we WILL get higher compliance
and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback. Take a position of reducing guns,
like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.


Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned / 2.97 homicides
Per 100,000: England…: 6,200 guns owned / 0.07 homicides
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned / 0.14 homicides
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned / 0.51 homicides
Per 100,000: France…..: 31,000 guns owned / 0.06 homicides
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned / 0.08 homicides
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned / 0.90 homicides


Clearly the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

The 1994 gun "ban" did not ban assault weapons. It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons. That is why so many people are buying AR15s before "Obama bans guns"

[-] -1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

Your post's are reading more like the Minister of Propaganda in N@zi Germany,Joseph Goebbels.

[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Alex is keeping the truth a secret
ancient aliens have genetically engineered
Kenyan Muslim bigfoots to be miniaturized to
sneak into your house and and
take away your guns


Alex is brilliant -
at not answering questions
is he too stupid or too ignorant or too smart

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Maybe Piers will tap the guy's phone and get answers. Lord knows he has the experience and know how.

[-] -3 points by proverbs23and7 (-3) 1 year ago

Stupid liberals like Piers Morgan cant argue with logic, because his his logic is flawed in a free society. #ANOTHERDUMBLIBERAL

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