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Forum Post: ALEC: Still Doing What It's Always Done

Posted 9 years ago on Sept. 30, 2012, 9:44 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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"The influence of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has not diminished despite recent corporate defections, Bill Moyers said Friday, or attempts to curb it with legislation like the ALEC Accountability Act.

The bill, Moyers said in a report on Moyers and Company, “has gone nowhere. ALEC, on the other hand, is still everywhere. Still hiding in plain sight. Watch for it. Coming soon to a statehouse near you.”

The group has earned a reputation as a “bill mill” that puts together legislation friendly to corporations and handing it to associated state lawmakers for them to pass off as their own. In the report, Lisa Graves, executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy, showed Moyers a box full of more than 850 bills to be used."

Will you be surprised by how much influence they still exercise?

They are buying the country, one State at a time.




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[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (23620) 9 years ago

Nice, Shooz. This is so important to keep track of !!! Good job for continuing to shine a light on it.

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Unfortunately there are many that think following the deeds of ALEC isn't important.

I'm not one of those.........................:)

[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (23620) 9 years ago

There are people who think it's okay that the average worker in this country earns $26,000 per year and that 1 in 7 are on food stamps, that 22% of our children live in poverty etc etc. And, what's behind a lot of that? ALEC, for sure. Keep up the good work.

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

I find posts on ALEC to be among to most telling as to who is really pro OWS.

Make a note of those who belittle the thread, as well as those who have no comment.

This one, as usual, has trouble staying near the top.

Lots of lurid threads are started and commented on to drive it down.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (23620) 9 years ago

All true. Bump. LOL.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

The fight against ALEC is one that we must never give up.


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago



Let's try voting the subscribers the hell out first, and see if we can their tax free status removed.


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago



It make for the ultimate reality TV show. The only one I would ever watch.


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Or we could put them all in the gulch and call in Mila Jovovich for the final chapter of.........................resident evil.

It would make for a truly fitting title.............:)


[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

They get free lunch and buying politicians is now tax free.............:)

Can they get a tax free status for FLAKESnews too?

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 9 years ago

Good post shooz.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Excellent episode. Tweeted.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Thanks for the bump.

ALEC hasn't even slowed down.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

What is good news though - is that ALEC is starting to be recognized and called out. This is a gr8 episode as it shows the workings and some of those involved and who benefits. This is a very viral worthy program.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

Not surprised at all. ALEC is very much alive. Excellent timing on the article and a needed reminder.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

The only thing that stops stuff like this is an intelligent, engaged public. I dont see that happening anytime soon.

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

You would be more believable if you didn't defend SO much of their legislation.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Like what. Start listing it smart ass.

Let me guess, you dont have the time, dont care, etc. Im expecting another cop out answer to this as well.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Here's three major ones.

Defense of the stand your ground law.

Claiming that voter purges are inconsequential.

Claiming that Koch involvement is a meaningless rumor.

Now I'm the one waiting for your cop out answer.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

Excellent! And I can confirm that Hchc has in fact expressed support for those ALEC supported legislation efforts.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Really? As someone who has done voter registration drives, you think I find the rules acceptable? You think I believe that people should be forced to pay for an ID that costs $30 to vote? Hmm.. Just because I care to focus on the bigger picture (you know, kids being murdered overseas, the banks kicking people out of their houses, ect) doenst mean I agree with it.

You think I support someone chasing someone else down, and killing them? What gave you that idea? I said that this entire case is being exploited by both "sides" of this corrupted system.

And now I think the Kochs donating millions, maybe billions, to right wing PR is a fairy tale? I told Shooz he;s a gossiper because thats all he does is promote lame media talking points, shit that we already know and have talked to death.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

Yes you constantly personally attack Shooz, (& me sometimes too) but this is about ALEC legislation & the massive repub attempt to suppress the vote.

I say again I can confirm you support (in your comments) for voter suppression & stand you ground. I say further, your support has mainly been "vote suppression is not real" or "both sides do it" And so forth.

Now you attempt provide Koch cover by suggesting they don't give billions to Repub PR (& other) firms?. Ridiculous. So all these things (& others over recent months) paint you as a repub apologist & supporter of their clandestine (ALEC, Kochs) operations.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Koch funding is obvious, Im not sure where you all get this shit from. And Ive stated there are much bigger voter suppressions going on right now by both parties but the partisan hacks never want to talk about it, because the media runs their conversations.

You two are more than welcome to think whatever you want about my views. People who understand what is going on know where I stand, and I have to say the majority of occupiers I have met, including ones from all over here for the RNC, rarely disagree. Thats because I dont get cuaght up in the media flavor of the day.

So for the last time- legislation in FL about voting- there isnt any voter fraud, its unneccesary, and requiring ID is going to affect a very very small percentage of people. Its garbage legislation, but there are problems much larger, even in that legislation (like holding register drivers responsible for mistakes), to make it a driver of national dialogue. Meanwhile, over 5 MILLION people are being told ID or not, to get the fuck out. Your vote isnt welcome. Thats fuckin bullshit.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

Whatever! You are unconvincing.

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Thats because you refuse to judge each person based on their unique views, and need to label and group, just like you have been trained to do. Break out of that shit.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

You told me the vote suppression wasn't really happening, and that Social Security was a ponzi scheme. You've spent all you're time attacking one politician for all our problems.

What group/label have I applied to you?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

I SCREAM about voter suppression. Just because I feel that NO ALLOWING 5 milllion people to vote due to criminal offenses is more pressing, because it DWARFS the numbers that will be disallowed this November, does not mean I think its right to require ID. I dont think its going to have nearly the effect the media is saying, because that is what they do, they take something and blow it way up.

Meanwhile over 5 MILLION people are going to be told to go fuck off, NO!

And yes, if my generation stopped paying into SS because they said they didnt want it, all 100% of them, it would completely collapse the entire governement from lack of funds, because they have not kept the people paying since 1940 seperate at all, they have blown through all of it.

If people who werent due benefits until 2025 stopped paying, it wouldnt just collapse SS, it would collapse the ENTIRE government. That is not how this program was set up to work, but DC doenst give a fuck, they never have and they never will.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

SS is just fine. We will eventually do the right thing and remove the payroll cap, add a ss cap gains tax, & means test the disbursment of it.

With those steps we can increase the payment for the remaining recipients.

The massive repub effort to suppress dem voters with voter id/purge is greater even than the repub effort to suppress convicts of the vote.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Its not even close dude, and there is NO comparision between telling people they need ID to vote, versus telling other people FUCK OFF YOU CANNOT VOTE.

SS is not fine, the entire system is not fine, and if you cannot see what an entangled mess they have made of everything, then Im not sure when you will. We are running at 1.5 T deficit.

Check out this graph: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/U.S._Federal_Receipts_-_FY_2007.png/350px-U.S._Federal_Receipts_-_FY_2007.png&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget&h=263&w=350&sz=26&tbnid=QuYs1___y3xbsM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__RiTzDLuHjVrLo06V4bq-O0C7g-o=&docid=5DfWZMG4L5vdcM&sa=X&ei=bdtsUPWmLIqg8QTzvoDQCg&ved=0CEEQ9QEwAg&dur=6060

By design, you pay into SS, and get it back when you retire. If everyone that was currently paying into just STOPPED, it would collapse the entire thing. You cannot rip 800B from a government that is so fucked it is buying its own credit cards that it is itself creating. It would collapse the entire thing, as a matter of fact we are witnessing the collapse right now, but yanking 800B from it would seal the deal instantly.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

I know, but watch him wiggle a squirm in a state of denial.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Um, people have the right to defend themselves. The case in Fl had nothing to do with someone defending themselves, it had to do with a nut chasing down someone else.

Legislation in Fl pales in comparission to not letting felons vote, and making people register to begin with (30% of the population isnt even registered). Thats what I said. And it does. The numbers dont lie. Telling someone they are no longer allowed to vote because of a mistake they made is much worse than telling someone they need an ID. Maybe the media will runt hat story so can feel like getting involved.

Everyone knows how much money the Kochs donate. Who on earth said that was a rumor?

Looks like your doing your typical word twisting to get the desired post again shooz. Same thing as a cop out, just more exhaustive.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

So is everyone who is paying into SS now gonna stop?

No. that is not gonna happen. Sorry. We will increase the amount being paid in,. By expanding the workforce (more immigration) & eliminating the payroll cap, & adding a ss cap gains tax.

So don't you be afraid. Everything is fine.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Im not saying they ARE going to stop. Im saying IF they stopped, by SS's design, everything should be fine for a while, because the ones who are collecting have already all paid in, and the ones who are due to collect have already paid in about 85% of their eligible work time.

Everything wouldnt be fine, it would collpase the entire system. The entire US gov would go into utter freefall if you yank another 800B out of it, with its current declining state right now.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

But that ain't gonna happen. No one is taking $800B out of it. We will be adding to the SS fund in the ways I listed.

We must force change through massive protests. Replace pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Right, no one is taking 800 billion out of it. So if Im paying for the senoirs SS, then what the fuck did they do with the massive taxes they collected from teh current senoirs over 45 working years?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

The system was always designed to have current workers pay for retirees.

Don't be afraid. You'll get your SS.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Then what the hell were current workers paying for, for 45 FUCKIN YEARS?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

Get a grip! All current workers since the program began have paid for the retirees who are collecting.at that time.

That is how it was designed.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

Please comment on this thread I very much want to hear your opinion on it.


[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Cop outs, plain and simple. Cop outs.

There's more than one way top defend ones self......GUNS are all that stand your ground is about. It merely supports those corporations involved.

On voter purges? 100% pure unadulterated cop out.

They matter a lot. Considering much you BITCH about low turn out and involvement. It's more than a little hypocritical for you to claim otherwise.

Here's your quote on a thread on the Kochs.

"[-] 0 points by hchc (2642) from Tampa, FL 5 days ago

Oh boy, more juicy gossip!! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink | Mod: ban comments threads admin edit remove"

OK, so I was paraphrasing.

You consider it gossip.

Will you twist and turn some more now?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Yup, its just gossiping nonsense. Your like a gossiping little lady, clinging to every sound bite the media feeds you.

No one said the ID thing wasnt bullshit, I just find it interesting that 5 million people having no shot at all doesnt get any play, but they put this as a topic in front of you and your all gungho...

Or that 30% of the population isnt even registered. They make you sign up for a draft, but voting isnt included in that. Why is this lost on you?


Those are not cops outs, shoozster, those are explanations to clarify the distroted picture you try to paint myself and plenty other occupiers in because they wont bow down to the establishment like you do.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 9 years ago

You can register those 30% all you want but if they haven't taken the time to register it is highly unlikely they will actually show up to vote.

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

100% cop outs.

Every single one.

Even your continuing lame attempts at insult.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

You actually agree with me in 90% of my views, but your hate blinds you. Time to let that self loathing go and open your heart little guy

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

But, ZD?

It's a charity organization, doing noble charitable, tax deductible, works for the needy.

Isn't sarcasm fun?


[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

If only sarcasm was a deduction. I would be in million dollar subsidy land................:)

BTW Yes ALEC is a tax deductible "charity".


[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

In the mean time, we better keep a close eye on what they're up to, regardless of what hchc has to say about them..


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

He's pointing out all the left over Mr. P fans around here.

To simply unplug the banking system would be an instant disaster that would reek even further havoc on the 99%..


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Consider that Rand Paul was elected in Kentucky, on a conse(R)vative platform..


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Coal production? Sounds conse(R)vative to me.

Here's the "endorsed" description.

"Randal Howard "Rand" Paul is the junior United States Senator for Kentucky. He is a member of the Republican Party. A member of the Tea Party movement, he describes himself as a "constitutional conservative" and a libertarian. "

Not word on democracy, progressivism, in fact nothing forward looking at all.

But there are those ties to lying sacks of shit that are the teabagge(R)s.


[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago


That's one of ALECs "favorite" States.

Home of Mr. P.