Forum Post: A Vast Right Wing Conspiracy???
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 10, 2011, 1:12 p.m. EST by lgarz
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Let's see now; union busting Governors acting in concert to restrict voting rights, Quislings united in Congress to oust the current President, Militarized police forces across the country cracking down on "Freedom of Assembly" and "Freedom of Speech" while engaging in "Unreasonable Searches and Seizures" without "Probable Cause", Five Justices redefining the Constitution, Three powerful men, and a cabal of Nine ruling elites pulling political strings behind the scenes.
Gee, if I didn't know better, I would think that there was a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" at work imposing a "New World Order" on us.
Nah! Can't be... Can it??? Right?
And the worst part of it is that the current so-called Democratic President is, to all intents and purposes, JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN.
Obama ran as the second Martin Luther King ("hope", "change", etc.), but is governing like the third George Bush!!!
The infamous Black Bush.
Not many people knew who Obama really was when he got elected. They heard his message but any one that lives in IL... They knew his message was nothing more then what people wanted to hear and not what he would really do while in office. Obama is a follower. He follows the vote. He follows the bills that will pass and not the ones he stands for, this is of course assuming he stands for anything at all. Obama is the definition of a political puppet.
Now, that is just another Republican LIE designed to demoralize & fool the electorate! The President is one of the few people who are actually fighting against the Conspiracy not for it. And you know that!
If the President is such a Republican, why are the Conservatives trying so hard to make him a one term President. You assertion flies in the face of fact & reality!
Stop lying!
Obama isn't perfect, but he's the only defense we have against the fascist agenda. His heart is basically in the right place, and he's what hope we've got for the next few years.
Stop calling yourselves republicans, you're a voting member of the fascist party. In fact, give up your self-identity as a republican, you're just being conned. Be conservative, but forget your political party, it's been bought and sold down the river. Of course, there's plenty of dirty Dems out there too, power and greed have that effect on all kinds of people. It's called money, honey, and it makes our system spin 'round and 'round.
Obama is the fascist agenda, wrapped in delicious milk chocolate.
Obama IS indeed the fascist agenda, wrapped in a goody-goody-daddy-loves-his-daughters PERSONA. His ACTIONS have NEVER matched his WORDS, he is DECEIT incarnate.
Obama may in fact be MORE dangerous to this nation than any lunatic-fringe Republican, because he is such a CON ARTIST and has fooled tens of millions of Americans into believing he is reasonable, sincere and a "centrist"... I KNOW, because he had ME fooled for several years! But at this point, I can very well imagine this bizarre, narcissistic character declaring martial law and becoming the first dictator of AMERIKA.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I'm "lying", Igarz... Have you ever heard of "agreeing to disagree"?
You may not know it, and you may think you're just expressing an "opinion," but you're not! It's a lie, you're giving it life by repeating it, and if you don't know it, something is wrong with you.
I am an Old School Union Man, and I will never agree to disagree, or go along to get along. We are in this problem because people are too polite to call out a lie when they see one.
Don't want me to call you a Liar! Don't try to tell one. It's simple like that!
Obama's heart is NOT in the right place at all. Things have NOT improved under his watch. "Change I can believe in"? OH YEAH! Change for the WORSE.
I trust NEITHER the Repugnants or the Demagogues. I trust OWS, the Great Patriots of this hour, and see them as our only hope.
Call me a liar or whatever you please, Igarz, I've been called a lot worse on this troll-infested forum. By calling people names in the context of a civilized conversation, you only insult YOUR OWN SOUL.
In this day and age, you have to be able to distinguish between things that are strange but true, and a pernicious load of Crap!
I don’t know anyone who can look into a man’s heart, and tell where it’s at. But, in order to believe that our President’s heart is not in the right place, you have to believe; that he’s not a Christian, that he’s not an American with American values, that he wasn’t really born in this Country, and that he’s some kind of Socialist/Fascist/Communist who is out to destroy the Nation. Well, none of that is even close to being true, ergo your conclusion is not based in fact.
Furthermore, your conclusion is also not based in reality. You insist that our President hasn’t made things better, but whose fault is that? The reality is that the Republicans, the party of not only No, but Hell No! Have been successful in sabotaging everything he’s tried to do to help the economy.
You scream that he’s made things worse! So, I guess you don’t believe that the Stimulus worked, and that the reality of the 3 million jobs he created is a Myth? You must also believe that Obama Care is a bad, evil thing, and that his Wall Street Reforms are nonexistent.
You whine that he promised you change you can believe in, yet you can’t bring yourself to believe he’s changed anything despite all the evidence to the contrary? What’s up with that??? I guess you don’t believe that he should have ended the war in Iraq? How about killing Bin Laden? Do you think Bush did that?
You say that the only people you trust are OWS. That is admirable, but have you noticed that the things that OWS are saying are things that Our President has been saying for over 3 years, or haven’t you been listening?
Do you believe that Mitt even has a Heart? How about Newt? Is his heart in the right place? How about Michelle, or Santorum, or Paul, are their hearts in the right place??? Are you looking forward to having Dinner with Rick Perry out at the Old Nigger Head Ranch??? Do you think his heart is in the right place? I’m not even gonna mention the cabal of Boehner, Cantor, or McConnel!
You may not think that Our President has his heart in the right place, but you must admit that he at least has a Heart! Can you say that about anyone in the opposition? The President’s heart might be on the left side, but that is where your heart is supposed to be! Hello!!!
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the conspiracy is the corps owning the elections and representatives
And, who runs the Corps???
private companies
I'm a private company, but I'm just a working Joe. The boards of directors of the major corporations are not entirely separate groups of people. Look at GE as a place to start. How many of those people are on other corps' boards? Then, look to see how many of those people float in and out of government service, depending on when their party is in power. Then, look at their connections to major banks and brokerage firms. I'm a lefty, I'm not a conspiracy nut, we need to reform the system, tearing it apart just isn't enough, something "greed/fear oriented" will always fill the void. People are sheep, they need protection from the wolves.
I watch all the news channels. The fact is, it's fascism that has undermined America, plain and simple. Name it, and reclaim it. The people we need to be marching against, the places where we need to rally and play our drums, are the lobbyists, and other behind the scenes players. We need to march outside the front door of these operators. These are the people who will ultimately act to save their own skins, so they need to feel the heat. Body heat. The glaring spotlights of news cameras. The all-watching eye of the internet.
I say forget about the NWO, it's a distraction, it's dog and pony show for people who want to be spoon fed knowledge on youtube, instead of really delving into the juicier conspiracies. The smaller people in the fascist food chain think they're invisible, and they like it that way. Track who's actually doing the work of whatever Wizard of Oz you ultimately choose. Get names, get evidence. Get addresses, and then expose it. Then, go out and play drums outside their bedroom window, every night, all night long. That's how we'll get the silent majority to see we're serious, we have an agenda, we demand to reform the system. No reform, No point.
The capitalist network that runs the world
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html
Are you serious???
management doesn't happen without consent
Well, it's fascism that is taking over America, I don't think that's your question.
If the NWO is truly a functioning entity, and it's clearly a right wing group, then we have to undermine the bricks in the pyramid. If the NWO is more or less what they describe on youtube, then I think it's a generational battle that we're fighting.
You're correct in your post, you're on the right track. And, yes, globalism is not working out like it we were sold it would, and yes, there (must) be powers at the top of the food chain. The way I see it, though, and this is intended to support your original post, then we have to go after the smaller players, because, basically they're akin to paid toadies-- they'll expect protection from the guys at the top-- but this is a pack of wolves, they'll let the weak ones fall, and probably eat their own kind. So, we can't just punch the toadies, either, but they're the low hanging fruit, as it were. We can make the operators pretty miserable, for starters, but we still have to reform the system itself.
It's... going to be a long fight, but just poking the eye at the top of the pyramid really doesn't strike me as being enough. We have to scratch our names in every brick, because the system should belong to, and serve the people. I might be way off base, but I think people when start saying "NWO" it's like saying "It's the moon's fault..." It's just too easy to point the finger of blame at a vague entity at the top. We have to make the guys lower on the food chain start to sweat. They're making plenty of money and plenty of political moves that have undermined our government and economy. The mid-level folks should feel the heat, because they're the ones who'll actually start to sweat-- faster, and more gallons than whoever/whatever is (probably) at the top of it all. Again, I might be way wrong on this course of action (protest action), but I think it's a good strategy to pursue. We should be camped out in front of-- (just an example, and, non-violence at all times... think: Gandhi)-- Scooter Libby's office, for starters... He thinks he's untouchable, but he's the exact type of guy who will close up shop and find a new line of work-- if he thinks he's gonna take the blame (or, be the fall guy) for wrecking our political system.
The capitalist network that runs the world.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html
My "Are you serious" remark was not directed to your post. It was in response to MattLHolck above yours. It somehow came out after yours. I actually agreed with your post.
Oh, lol... Well, ok :) LOL!
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don't forget the right wing media that promotes and justifies all the above 24/7
I didn't forget the Right Wing Media. When I referred to three powerful men i was talking about the Koch Bros, and Rupert Murdock who owns the Right Wing Media World Wide. Hello!
See, when people scream "its the jews that control the media" then look and see... If it's "the jews" then they are pushing a liberal agenda out of the major news outlets. Rupert Murdock is the preferred news source provider of the fascist agenda.
We are now in a time that the sheep is defensiveless against the wolves since our leaders were bought and paid for by the wolves.
Bring down the VRC, and you bring down the money that buys our leaders.
Allow me to tell you a little story. Back in the 50's Luis Marin was running for Governor of Puerto Rico, and a Compasino came up to him and said, " I love you Luis, but the other guys is paying 50$ a vote! Luis leaned over and whispered in his ear, "Take his money and vote for me!" Luis Won. The moral of the story is that some politicians take corporate money and vote for the Corps. others take their money and still vote for what's good for the country.
The very thought that ALL our leaders are bought, is a recipe for empowering the VRC, and maintaining the Status Quo.
Obama is in on it.
If you believe that, there is no hope and you should jump off a bridge, or move to Canada!
First of all, there is no Facist Organization in the World Like the Republican Party which would allow a Black Man to run things! Ask Herman Cain. (The Dems didn't do him in, the Repubs did!) And, they hated Clinton because he just liked Black Folks. (The Dems didn't call him the First Black President, The Repubs. did) You can look it up!
So, you're assertion falls on it's face because it bears no relation to fact or reality.
Obama is a fraud.
He's started unconstitutional acts of war against Libya, which he spoke out against when Bush did that to Iraq.
He's bombed more countries than Bush.
He extended the Bush tax cuts.
He never actually closed guantanamo bay.
He lied about ending the war in Iraq and the current withdrawal was scheduled by the Bush administration.
He supported the bailouts and urged congress to pass them. The bailout money was used by the federal reserve to create 7.7 trillion dollars out of thin air, and Obama has yet to speak against it.
He also supported the patriot act, which essentially deletes the 4th amendment.
Oh and don't forget about this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
Look up what Louie Gohmert and Dennis Kucinich have to say about what the Obama administration and NATO have done with Libya and how they rail against the Libyan rebels for having ties to Al Qaeda and the LIFG.
The ACLU doesn't even like him anymore. "Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has claimed the authority to hold terrorism suspects in indefinite military detention - even suspects captured far away from any battlefield who have never taken up arms against the United States. But the so-called “war on terror” is not a traditional war. It has no geographic or temporal limitations. How will it end? How would we know if it did? And where is it taking place?
So far, individuals have been captured in over fifty countries, and the list is sure to grow. The system is illegal and un-American. We must uphold the Constitution and the rule of law, and that means treating suspected terrorists as suspected criminals, not warriors, and charging them and prosecuting them in ordinary federal courts. We can't let our government use the threat of terrorism to justify a system in which individuals picked up anywhere in the world - including, perhaps, here in the United States - can be held indefinitely by the military without charge or trial." - ACLU
Instead of telling people to jump off a bridge, maybe you should know what the fuck you're talking about.
Nothing but Conservative talking points that make mountains out of Mole Hills! Pure Cherry picking at it's best. You aren't really angry about the things you cite, because you secretely support them. And, don't even try to say that you were once an Obama Supporter! You voted for McCain and now you're crying Sour Grapes! It aint gonna work buddy, the Cat is out of the Bag! People know wahat you're trying to do.
You can cover your eyes all you want, and change the subject as much as you can, but it won't alter the fact that there is a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy at work in America, and that Conspiracy is the guiding force behind the GOP. Got anything to say about the subject in discussion???
yeah the ACLU is conservative talking points... there is no more reason to respond in a pointless conversation where someone ignores facts and draws conspiracy style assumption in claims that I support what I'm speaking out against.
If you are still in R vs L mode, you have a while to go before you start figuring this bullshit out.
Sorry, the reality is that we live in a two party system. One party is clearly not working in the best interest of the 99%, while the other party is just as clearly on their side. To ignore that is a win for the Conservative movement.
If you really want to change the "System" you have to pick a side. There is a difference.
REally? Glass Steagal repeal, NAFTA, CAFTA, the latest ones with columbia/korea/panama.
BAilouts, Iraq War, Libya, Afghan, etc. All have overwhelming R and D support.
If you are still living in a two party fascist system, have fun supporting the fall of the country. Im not playing that game (PS- I campaigned my ass of for plenty of Dems, fuck em. And Im not going to the R either. Same groups fund both of em, and thats who they serve. Its that simple.)
I must Respond.
Glass Steagal was signed by Clinton, but it was repealed by the Newt Gingrich led Congress with the help of the Koch Brothers funded Heritage Foundation. The Bailouts were done by Bush. The Dems may have supported the Wars in the beginning, but they were sucked into it by the Bushies. And, by the way, if you haven't noticed, President Obama is trying to end them.
Don't be fooled, there is only one facist Party in America, and it's supported by the Conservative Movement which is Funded by Who??? The Koch Brothers & Rupert Murdock! Hello!
The Dems may have been fooled into helping the Rs from time to time, but the Cat is out of the Bag now, And people know who the Bad guys are. If you think sitting out the next election is going to help, I've got a Bridge to sell you. Every vote that goes uncast is a vote for them
Lastly, in case you haven't noticed, our country is already in the Dumper! If you want to be part of the solution PICK A SIDE! And make sure they're doing what you think is right. Sitting on the sideline is what got us the Teabaggers!
GS- Clinton, Senate (93-7) and House (343-86)- Overwhelming Bi-partisan support.
Obama and the Dems gave bailouts, and Tarp 2 (Bush only Tarp 1). Do you even know what QE1 and 2 are?
I wouldnt call Obama doubling troops in Afghan and bombing 7 different countries, along with building 4 more bases in Africa (cbs) ending anything. He's had 3 yrs, he doesnt care, he played us.
"Pick a side" "bad guys" "only one fascist party"....These all show what a great job the media doesn distorting everyone's views. I just laid out hard proof that they are both guilty as all hell, but I bet you wont even humor it.
Wow, what a good answer! I had to sleep on it to find a way to respond. I must admit that your numbers on the Glass/Steagal repeal are right on, but like most Republican numbers they don’t quite tell the whole truth. If memory serves me right, Glass/Steagal was repealed about the same time that Newt Gingrich was running up a 500K Bill at Tiffany’s to get his creepy wife to blow him in the Parking lot, while he while he was impeaching Clinton for getting a BJ in the White House. (Not for nothing, and frankly speaking, any man who would turn down a BJ in the White House is simply too weird to be my President! But, that’s a story for another time!)
Anyway, at that time, no one wanted to be seen with an Impeached President, no less voting for anything he wanted. So, Newt was able to intimidate the Dems into voting with him to end Glass /Steagal (BTW, who knew anything about Glass/Steagal at the time it was repealed???) And, faced with a veto proof majority, Clinton was essentially forced by the VRC to sign the Bill into Law. But, this whole underhanded deal is a classic example that supports my argument that there is a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (VRC) at work in America.
You simply cannot deny that Newt got the idea to repeal Glass/Steagal from the Heritage Foundation. You cannot deny that Newts Bill was written by ALEC. And, you cannot deny that it was sold to the American people as the road to prosperity by Fox News! You also cannot deny the fact that the Koch boys fund both the Heritage Foundation & ALEC, and Rupert Murdock undeniably calls the shots at Fox News. The Three of them are, without a doubt, the leaders of the VRC, and everybody knows it.
The fact they were able to work in concert to brow beat the Democrats into voting with them is a tribute to their ability to put “Lipstick on a Pig,” and not an indication that they were bought off. Although they have done everything they could to make it look like that. Because, it was absolutely necessary for their future success that they get “Bi-Partisan Support” for their nefarious deal because it allows people like you and Newt to stand on your hind legs and crow that “Both Parties Are The Same!!!” But the insidious underlying message to the electorate is “Don’t Vote, There is No Hope For Change!” isn’t it?
But, the past is prologue let’s talk about what’s happening today! Right now, you cannot deny that there is a clear difference between the Parties. One Party, The Democratic Party, is working every day to change the status quo, to rebuild the American economy; while the other Party, your Republican Party, who are clearly tools of the VRC, is working everyday to cynically tank the economy, and oust our President. You cannot deny that simple truth.
And, they fight the President at every turn because they know, like you know, that if our President was ever given a Bill that Repeals the Repeal of Glass/Steagal, POTUS would sign it in a heartbeat! My question to you is, “If you love your Country so much, why are you aiding and abetting the VCR that is destroying the American Middle Class???
With regard to the War in Afghanistan: If memory serves me right again, the President promised to get Bin Laden, and “Responsibly” end the war. Well, he has certainly gotten Bin Laden, and given the prevailing wisdom in Iraq, a surge in Afghanistan seems like a responsible way to end things without having the Pentagon, (You know the Old Military Industrial Complex) getting their panties in a bunch over it. It’s called Governing! Heard of it??? And no one can argue about The President’s handling of Libya, or the Arab spring. I think that’s pretty good for a naive Community Organizer! But you of course will find a way to deny that too.
And if you have fooled yourself into thinking this guy has any intention of stopping these wars, you are ignoring, well...everything.
Did you know we are building four more bases in Africa? Do you know the real reasons we went into Libya? Do you take a step back have an independent political thought, even once in a while?
Sorry to burst your bubble, I wish everything was how it was advertised. Trust me, I know how to read through it.
Why are we building four bases in Africa?
Expand the empire, get ready for WW3, try to prevent WW3 through oppression, who the hell knows. This gov is outta control.
First off, Im am (was) a campaign manager for Obama, so take the R nonsense and do something else with it.
Second, saying they were "intimidated" and "brow beat" just shows how desperately you are willing to hold onto anything that resembles a party that looks out for you.
Third, stop talking about BO signing a bill to restore GS. They both repealed it, and are both still makeing huge amounts of cash from it (see campaign financing).
Forth, only a freakin jack ass didnt realize the implications of what was at stake with GS. It is very similar to what is going on with the current bill to allow military to take away US citizens- not good, but no press means the sheeple will just flock on..
Im sorry you are still being fooled. Let me know when you wake the fuck up and want some real change.
Yeah, right. Hind Sight is 20/20. Nobody knew what it meant at the time. Nobody said a bad word about it. So, nobody voted against it. And that's the inconvienent truth you have to face!
If you were a Campaign Manager FOR Obama, I'll start to believe in the Tooth Fairy again. Stop lying!
And, BO may have repealed it, but you cannot deny that it was a Koch Bros funded Heritage Foundation Idea, that Newt Carried, and Fox News sold as the road to prosperity, and that is the point!
And Today, you cannot argue that the Democratic Party is trying to repeal the repeal of Glass/Steagal, and The Republicans are trying to save it. Are you really trying to argue that Obama wouldn't sign a repeal bill into law in a heartbeat??? Really???
So, who is really being fooled into thinking that both parties are the same??? I don't think your mind is open enough to realize that you are tragically wrong about that, so, that's my last word on the subject. Have a happy Holiday!
Later. And if you want to know what people will do, just look at who funds them. Dumbass.
New World Order... Hmmm. You aren't far off the mark on all of these points, but I think you're looking too deep into the rabbit hole. The global level power structure is interesting stuff, I'll grant you. But, let me suggest this... Start a fresh flow-chart, there are probably several good ones out there already. Focus on the mid-level operators, really sort out who the major players are within the USA. Find out who owns which pac. Which characters are on several boards of directors of major corporations. Who is funding how many different operations. This will focus the picture, it will help the man in the street really see who the worst crooks are. I'll even help, if I can. Focusing too much on the eye in the pyramid will distract from the underlying structure. These mid-level folks think they are totally untouchable, they are behind the scenes, and they think they are safe. Just my suggestion, it's gonna take a whole team, probably there's a few out there already. Get serious about the conspiracy, watching a few videos isn't enough anymore. We need to find the people who will start to sweat when they feel the heat on the door.
the repelican party is DONE
we can hit them in their pockets
interdict their sources of income
cut their lines of supply
let their fruit wither on vine
we can hem them in
let them strangle for want of air and room to breathe
Que Viva La Revolution! I'm with you!
I just love that accent!
I'm thinking of those old movies where the natives on all the different islands were playing drums to communicate between each other... Boomity boom boom... (then, far off in the distance...) Bonga Bonga Bonga Bonga... Creepy as can be-- totally unnerving... This is the kind of psychological pressure that will keep a lobbyist up all night long, particularly if it's on their doorstep. They want to call us savages? FINE! We'll paint our faces and beat our drums, and we'll take our country back from the fascists... And? You never really know for sure.. We just might eat some long pork! (uh... but, no violence, and, only eat the healthiest specimens, you can get pretty darn sick from cannibalism.) These guys think they're invisible, untouchable, above the masses, beyond the reach of the law... Oh, and they're wrong!
yes they are . . . oo so very wrong . . .
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Google Hillary cocaine Mena Arkansas.
New World Order? Seriously? Go get a real education.
I have one. Im in Tech. and I know there is a NWO and global goverment on the way
I may only have a High School Education, but it apparently serves me better than what ever College you attended as a Legacy. I don't need to go to a school to know about this. I am a witness to this piece of History, and I am here to testify.
You apparently missed the speech that George Bush made on Nation Wide TV before the first Iraqi invasion when he announced implementing his New World Order!
What??? You think he was just kidding around when he said that??? Forgive me if I believed him.
Did you go to Brigham Young or something???
Well why on earth would G Dub Bush reference a NWO if they're trying to spring this on us undetected? BTW don't diss on other peoples religions.
They hide in plain sight. Don't believe me, look it up.
And, BTW, I said nothing disrespectful about your religion. All I did was ask if you went to College in Utah.
I AM in high school.
That explains every thing for me.
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This would classified as a conspiracy theory.... see http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-against-conspiracy-theorys-is-not-everybody-he/
Left wing conspiracy, NOT right.
Please! Who do you think you're you kidding? The Left Wing isn't that organized, doesn't have an overwhelming desire to rule, and doesn't nearly have the money to pull it off.
No my Friend, there is only one Conspiracy at work, and it's a Right Wing Conspiracy. No amount of propaganda is gonna change that, when the People know you're lying.
You can't fool all of the people all of the time. Although I give you props for trying.
Don't give him props, this forum has plenty of right wing material, so this post represents a balance of opinion.
This whole forum is essentially intellectual fly paper for people seeking guidance for how they can join the reform movement.
the chicago machine is highly organized.
OK, but they are not a World Wide Conspiracy like The Conservative movement is. The organization in Chicago pales in comparison to the Koch/Murdock Organization which has World Wide Tentacles.
Just like Clinton getting a Blow Job in the White House pales in comparison to George Bush getting Layed by Kenny Boy in the Oval Office.
You could look it up!
Look uo AGENDA 21. . Also , do search on the Down Low Club
Why, it's Right Wing Propaganda!
look it up an read and form your own opinion.
I believe almost nothing I read or see on TV. What I believe in is what I see with these old eyes, what I hear with these Old ears, and what I have learned with this old Brain.
Agenda 21 is not on t.v. neither is the Low Down Club.
Let me clarify what I said, I believe nothing I read in the News, or anything I see on TV. I search for small hidden kernels of Truth that all add up.
When you have a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy at work that speicializes in propaganda I would suggest you do the same.
OK.
do a search on AGENDA 21.