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Forum Post: A short essay on the bigger picture: How long till they fix this problem of poor people voting?

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 20, 2012, 6:41 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ
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With the movie Lincoln coming out I started thinking about what a young country we are. Not only is our country young but the basic structure of it and all the democracies that followed in the “industrial” nations. As a method to organize people together the whole system is sort of young. This new form of government combined with industrialization led to a new form of Monarch, the “robber barons” or as we call them today the investors. These ultra rich people rose up pretty quickly under the new economy but people still remembered Kings and they were broke up and set back a bit, for a little while. Now we are a few generations into the new Royal class, occasionally they are force to make room for a new arrival, but not vey often, lottery winners of all sorts serve their purpose.

Given the results we are seeing with only a few generations behind us the question becomes what happens after say ten more of the same? The conservatives are already expressing dismay that poor people could elect someone who would then just tax them and give the money to poor people. Now that just don’t seem right to a lot of rich people and thinking something ain’t right is the first step toward fixing it. How long till they fix this problem of poor people voting?

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[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

The republiclans are doing everything they can to solve the problem of poor people voting.


but seriously - our primary push must be to ge pro-democracy anti-corporate pro-99% elected to the house to replace the tp fascists

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

We will find out if anybody really cares about Sandy Hook in 2014, for sure.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

some of the Rs in congress are trying to cut funding for sandy's victims. Or was it the Ds - WE KNOW they are all the same.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I saw that, people making $900,000/yr need tax relief more than those people need houses.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

it all goes back to one thing - the tp lemmings do exactly what everybody else does - they work for the people who pay them
they have wrecked the Rs party
should we thank them?


I love crazy conspiracy theories
did it ever occur to you - if you look at who benefits most by tp wrecking Rs, it is obvious that
the tp was created by Clinton & Pelosi & Ried


In the 1500's the pope would not compromise with Martin Luthor, and now 25% of christians are non-catholic

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I actually disagree I think, I believe it is really very simple the GOP represents the interest of the very wealthy and they have for decades and everything they do can be explained by that. (even the social crap if you take politics into account) There is nothing new going on here except that the GOP have been winning for so long the rich are really fucking rich now and more people see that.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

If there was no tp, boehner would have come to a deal - that screwed the 99%
there has NEVER been a worse do nothing congress

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

can't disagree with that

[-] -2 points by firghtyer (-66) 1 year ago

Taxing the rich is not going to hurt them one bit and do little to nothing to improve the economy

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We can add a half percent transaction tax to all stock trades & raise half a trillion bucks.

Easy Peezy.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Sheesh, not a bad idea. You should work on an amendment proposal for the art 5 coming.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

what can an "art V" do ?
who backs an "art V" ?
who creates an "art V" ?
who is in an "art V" ?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But it ain't coming. The Art V effort has gotten no where. Do you know of any place there is momentum for Art V convention.

I'd love to hear it.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

I see your point, but there was a time when few believed the world was round.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

As I understand it most people believed the world was round except the ignorant superstitous europeans, but I understand your point.

If enough people join in I suppose I will see it. I still haven't been convinced that the Art V movement is not a right wing effort to tighten their grip on the peoples govt.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

It seems the idea of that petition is to show that ALEC wants people to think that and works to expose that the only convention they support is one we should not want because it is not constitutional. Also it appears to show how to do ART5 right which ALEC will not want of you are right.

It's actually kind of ingenious.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't trust the Art V effort.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Did you see the post about the titanic, the dumbing down, ART5 in 1911 and the federal reserve?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sorry link led to nothing.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Missed it. Gotta link?

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

LINK-Titanic, dumbing down, federal reserve ART5. Google site search works good on this forum!

http://occupywallst.org/gforum/do-we-really-want-need-to-disarm-ourselves/#comment-901593

Gave me the creeps when I read it. Pieces falling into place, explaining things. That's how afraid of ART5 the elite are. They directed congress in 1911 to NOT follow the law, their oaths and ignore the constitution so their plan could go forward.

Meaning that petition can expose an escalation of the same effort which has ALEC working to make Americans afraid of the only thing that can stop the elite.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

I'll try and find it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

thanks

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is in the approach method of use where in danger or positive success lies.

Move to Amend takes a cautious one single item approach - which if it is successful moves as a step forward in a positive direction. If it fails we note why it failed - WHO STOOD IN THE WAY. Then we need to boot those individuals.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agreed. These are difficult tasks. We must expect slow progress and setbacks.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

we don't have TIME to wait for slow progress.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We do have many ignorant, religious fundamental cases in the country.

A friend of mine associates them to the the red empty, flyover states & refers to them as "dumbasfuckistan".

LOL How funny is that?

but even in those states there are some educated progressives. We must continue the effort to inform all, & expand this great progressive movement.

Now we must protest all pols regarding tax fairness, saving the pgms of the 99%.

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[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Many in western civilization are impatient and expect everything immediately. You are not alone. And certainly I don't prefer slow progress, and setbacks, but that is simply the reality we live with.

TPTB have immense power & control, while too many of the 99% or still too comfortable and not ready to join our fight for progressive change that benefits the 99%.

Do you have some proposal to expand, & attract those still comfortable 99%'rs? If so nows the time.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i agree america is a bunch of lazy fat stupid ignorant shallow assholes. i can't believe we live in 2013 and these idiots still think jesus was hunting dinosaurs.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

13?

Sorry, no trophy for showing up, here.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

no reply tab

RE: "i agree america is a bunch of lazy fat stupid ignorant shallow assholes. i can't believe we live in 2013 and these idiots still think jesus was hunting dinosaurs."

First, cap you firsts, what are you, 12?

Second, Jeezuz and Raygun discovered Amerika riding ON a fucking dinosaur.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. You're on fire boss.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

go fuck yourself. is that clear?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

But the more that is accomplished - one at a time - cleanly - the easier/faster the next task will become.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

One foot in front of the other. One day at a time.

Look sharp, stay frosty.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And keep on steppin

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Why can'y you guys get it through your heads it's not about "hurting" anyone, it's just that's where the money is and we got bills to pay. Yeah paying your bills may not help, but not paying your bills can sure hurt, which is where the GOP wants to take us, they have been trying to destroy the American government for decades.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

We need a NATIONAL law -
but the republiclans in the House will block any real change
The judicary committee includes some of the worst king, issa, gohmert
we MUST vote them out in 2014

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

gerrymandering will make it hard, the way I see things going forward is we go off the cliff and the GOP holds the country hostage over debt ceiling, I think Obama will end up having to just raise it without permission under his constitutional power.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Merry ~ Success to Capitalist Manipulation, Hoax, Dominance and Exploitation ~ Christmas!!!!

It helps and we feel warm, when "they" mindlessly contribute!!! Ahhh...!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17704) 1 year ago

The GOP HATES it when people they don't want to vote vote.

Suppression is everywhere there are (R)epelican'ts.

"Another week – another round of Republican Voter Suppression ID laws. Republicans in three states have introduced Voter Suppression ID laws to discourage Democratic voters from going to the polls. These new Voter Suppression ID laws were introduced in Arkansas, Montana, and New York. And in Pennsylvania – Republicans are once again trying to change how their state doles out Electoral College votes. Instead of a winner-take-all system like every other state in the Union, Republicans want to divvy up Electoral College votes based on gerrymandered Congressional districts, which will give Republicans a big advantage even when they don't win a majority of the votes. In fact, under this plan – Mitt Romney would have won more electoral votes than Barack Obama in Pennsylvania, despite the fact that Romney got trounced in the state's popular vote. Like the Energizer Bunny, when it comes to rigging elections, Republicans keep going and going and going."

---from the Thom Hartman program---

I call it treason, they call it business.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17704) 1 year ago

Now facts, I thought you knew about this guy.

The guy who gave us ALEC.

Keeping the poor and downtrodden from voting was and still is a main focus of ALEC.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/05/1156061/-Paul-Weyrich-wanted-fewer-people-to-vote-for-a-simple-reason-When-more-do-Republicans-lose#

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the concept goes back to King George and beyond

[-] 1 points by shooz (17704) 1 year ago

No one votes for the King, except in Florida............:)

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/early-voting-curbs-called-power-play/nTFDy/

Treason's what I call it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I agree we should prosecute people like Colin Small under treason laws, as well as those who pay them.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-02/politics/35504184_1_nathan-sproul-voter-registration-potential-voters

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Title 18 US Code - Section 241: Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Title 18 US Code - Section 242: Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.


[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It is good that there are laws against these things, I think they rise to treason when the right is voting as that is an attempt to over-throw the government.

Thank you for the information though, great research!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17704) 1 year ago

Politicians have been playing loose with treason laws ever since Nixon.

Yes, we should try them all.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Clearly, "Un-Pooring" is the key that unlocks this conundrum!!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

poor is a relative term, seems to be hitting some triggers, but they did talk about poor people along with minorities, I just didn't want to exclude anyone because I actually don't think most of the 1% are not racist, I think they fear all lower class people about the same, but they have tapped into a way to control a lot of the poor white people. What they and I am talking about are those 47% that "don't pay taxes" which of course 47% of Americans aren't poor, unless you consider over half of everybody dies with less than $10,000 in net worth to show for a lifetime of work, so I guess it depends on how you look at things.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

We're like Rats in a Cage... with firearms!

Lawrence O’Donnell Rewrites NRA’s ‘blood-drenched’ boss

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/18/lawrence-odonnell-rewrites-nras-blood-drenched-boss/

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Lawrence does great work, one little point it only takes about 15 seconds to reload a musket.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080103065021AASkPpj

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

As a former track star, I think that's a significant change in the shooter-Vic quotient.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

my understanding is that when they first showed up it took a minute to reload a bullet, I guess it took longer to break the gun down to reload than to pack a musket ball, of course over time that changed, Lawrence makes a fair point, I'm just a freak about being truthful, it's a mental condition.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Truth, good. Nit picking, bad.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

so people who live in WA and CO now have more freedom than the rest of the country, I wonder how long that will last....NV didn't keep gambleing to itself very long

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You'd think the resistance to legalizing pot in some states was going to cost them money, jobs and business. Hmmm...?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I expect pot to rival skiing in CO soon, this could be a part of the awakening.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I'm waiting for the pot clubs/bars across the river in Vancouver.

With all the Hollywood $$ partying in Aspen, we should be hearing stories any minute. "Hello, TMZ? I just saw Hasselhoff eat a burger, fries, a Ceasar salad and a whole order of buffalo wings off the Paragon's bathroom floor! Did I get pics? Hell yeah, I got video!"

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How long will the rest of the country put up with having this freedom deigned them.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I for one, will not stand for this travesty!

(denied or deigned?)

Must see, spread word: http://www.pbs.org/programs/mr-cao-washington/

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

opps

Wishing Mr. Cao lots of luck, do you happen to know if he's a Buddhist?

I suspect he will find that folks are folks.

The GOP are trying to overturn MMJ in AZ in 2014, we've pass it three times since 1996 so I'm not too worried, but you never know they are running their lies in the press every day so time will tell.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

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[-] -3 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

If people don't care enough to un-poor themselves what makes you think they give a shit about politics?

And it's not that the poor are getting poorer; the poor have actually grown far richer. It's that our middle class is disappearing; middle class is the exit from poverty.

And thanks to people like you and this corrupt Congress, next year there will be far fewer middle class.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How does one un poor themselves?

Have you been poor and actually unpoored yourself?

[-] 0 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

Yes.

And it's more than sour grapes; this is a government that doesn't give a shit about tax payers. One example might be the Obama stance on municipal bonds; with municipalities indebted nationwide why would anyone seek to eliminate the incentive to buy? Well, it occurs because they don't give a shit about the people; all they care about is more revenue to spend.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How has the Obama Admin discouraged municipal bond sales.?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You sound uninformed. As the middle class disappears don't they become poor? Is it all their fault.? Do you embrace the republican 'blame the victim' mentality because it's easier to refuse helping others?

[-] 0 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

I am totally opposed to the possession of a "victim mentality."

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What about victims of discrimination? Do you blame them for that because it is easier than actually correcting the problem.?

[-] 0 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

Victims of discrimination, possessed of a victim mentality, are destined to project it onto others. No one, no one, goes through life without experiencing unfairness, get over it or it will limit you.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So it is the victim of discrimination 'victim mentality' that is the problem?

Do all victims of discrimination have this mentality?

Seems unlikely.
And does that mean it is ok for me to discriminate against someone because they are have blue eyes.?

Do you have a 'mentality' for the discriminator that you are also against? Or do they get a break from you?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8656) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

sour grapes?