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Forum Post: A road map to successful revolutionarism

Posted 5 years ago on Dec. 30, 2012, 3:36 a.m. EST by TheHolyRoller (2)
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Lets first start by taking a look at successful revolutions that had positive ends in the 20th century and their modus operandi. The one that should be focused on here is the civil rights revolution. I call it that because that is what it was. Like all revolutions it attempted to change the political state, control mechanism and condition of existence for not only those involved in the revolution itself, but for everyone. This was not an easy thing to do and was amidst much more violent reprisals and air than the current occupy revolution. The reason I am not using more violent revolutions as an example is that their violence itself ended up ruining the revolutions and their lofty goals and eventually continued in their violence. Stalins reprisals for instance. Not that there are bloodless revolutions, because there arn't. All revolutions are bloody, someone always dies, is hurt, is beaten is ruined during the process. This is the nature of revolution itself. The reason I am going to use the civil rights revolution as a road map for the actions and future of the occupy revolution is because it is what is needed. So, lets take a look at Mr. Kings methods and the demonstrations themselves.

Mr. King did not allow for his protesters to be violent and he tightly controlled the medium and the place and time of his demonstrations and most importantly, kept them hidden from the media until almost the last second and even worked with at times helpful law enforcement. Which mind you was few and far between. Peaceful demonstrations that obeyed the law only subjected any violent reprisals and reprisers themselves into to looking like victimisers and the protesters like victims. This gardened sympathy from the ruling public and even from government officials themselves. How as this possible? Why isn't this movement working the same way? Why arn't we having the same effect? Those are some questions that come to mind. So, lets take a look at a outline of rules to be used for protesting and why they work.

  1. Do not under any circumstance be violent or destroy personal or public property. Why? Because it gives people the sense that you don't want change you just want to destroy. That will not help the revolution.

  2. All protesters involved in a marching protest are to be dressed in the nicest cloths they have or will be not allowed to march. Why? Because people dressed nicely are far less likely to damage, destroy, riot, ruin or otherwise fight. People who are dressed nicely have higher self esteem and will not easily succumb to the idea of being violent. Being dressed nicely does not allow for the affluent ruling elite to dehumanize you. This helps the revolution. This mode of dress includes, "Sunday outfits", cloths that are clean, pressed and well taken care of. This is for marching participants only, occupation participants are welcome to dress in a more sufficient mode of dress for survival. However they too must be held to a high standard of public presence.

  3. No cussing, spitting, drinking or use of narcotics in any form should be tolerated by fellow participating revolutionaries. Why? Because, those are bullets in the gun of the media machine to de escalate and de humanize revolutionaries as well as formally write off any meaningful statements. This pertains to both Marching and occupation participants of the revolution.

  4. Marching participants must link arms and sing none violent hymns or chants that do not in sight anger or violence but make a simple statement and point about why they are there and who they are. Why? Because its much harder to put down a a bunch of peaceful, nonviolent happily singing protesters. Its hard to get police to become violent against people who are being calm and careful and cautious. This also creates group positivity instead of individual aggression.

  5. Work with and not against law enforcement. Tell them when you will be protesting, tell them for how long and on what roads you will use. Why? That way you will get police protection instead of police aggression. Any and all participants in marches must follow these rules or be barred from future on foot protests by the ruling council of the revolution which is the revolution itself.

  6. If there is any garbage on the protest route, pick it up and deposit it in trash cans or carried bags. Why? Because that is showing that you care for the place you live and protest and only want to make it better by your protest. Its hard to bad mouth people in the media when they are doing good in their local communities.

  7. All occupation and march protest revolutionary components must conduct themselves with the utmost self respect, remove any and all heavy drug abusers and individuals using the occupation or revolution as a mask for their own debauchery. Help the homeless as well, give them ways out if possible, setup soup kitchens. Why? Because, if you are being good, feeling good and doing good what can the police really do besides make themselves look bad. This will foster more support.

  8. Support all democratic and American functional components of society, stick to your morals and facts and give them to others. Why? Democratic revolutions are always the best.

  9. Avoid social media and electronic interactions and trade them in for paper, pen and pencil for determining on foot protests and marches. Why? Harder for the police to infiltrate and only those in the know will know where to go and you can't turn off pen and paper or word of mouth.

I know some of these things have already been done. But a lot of them have not. This is the road map I have come up with. You will listen or you won't.


The Holy Roller



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[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 5 years ago

Some great points. Sounds like you may have studied or been involved in some effective marches and are familiar with how to use mainstream media the way Gandhi and King did so effectively. Everyone paints Gandhi and King as holy saints who would never dare be shrewd. The truth is they were both very clever (in addition to beig great) and very skillfully operated to make sure the press was precisely where they wanted them at precisely the right moment.

King explained the use of active non-violent resistance as follows in his “Letter from Birmingham Jail”:

"Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent-resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. . . The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation.”

[-] 1 points by TheHolyRoller (2) 5 years ago

I tried to shorten and simplify the "road map" as much as I could. Just to make it easier for individuals to self assimilate its contents. I have a lot of knowledge of all methods of political decent. That does include less than non violent reprisal type actions (which I will not get into). However I have found that those tactics are less desirable than peaceful formation and protest. Many people choose to purposefully begin violent protests first instead, these individuals must be weeded out of marching protests. Part of the reason non violent protests work is because they work on the psychology of "us" rather than the psychology of "them". By focusing attention in the proper means and direction at the proper time of a gathered force of peaceful individuals, you can demonstrate that you are part of society and trying to better it rather than being not part of society and trying to destroy it. This type of action garners support as was seen in the "Orange Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution" and gives the ability for extremely large mass demonstrations without there being violent reprisals by a policing force. These demonstrations must be very well orchestrated and implemented to be effective. The reason that the revolution must move forward and as a result create real economic stability and fair treatment. Is that if it does not, then we are in the exact same economic conditions that offered an open door to open war across the entire planet. Those conditions were, large scale unemployment, economic instability, a returning military force from war, a job market that was destroyed, a ruling class of higher monetary elites and in finality a general feeling by the populous especially the unemployed that they were not part of society, and had been abandoned by their own political system. Suffice to say, a lot of educated young men with no jobs and nothing to do other than determine the faults with their government. Many say this cannot happen again, I disagree.

I believe that the higher ups in the revolutionary occupy movement should begin immediate recruiting processes as well as on foot door to door donation campaigns. This way the process for a real discussion of the issues we as revolutionaries have will begin, and if it does not we will have the means to continue demonstrating as well as up the ante so to speak. If the above road map is used carefully we might see a resurgence of the movement itself. Remember, every semester there are more and more unemployed and indebted young men and women not entering the work force. Whom, having been educated might find our demands for political, economic and living habitat change acceptable and implementable in a peaceful format fitting to their own morals.


The Holy Roller

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 5 years ago

I agree that nonviolence is much more powerful than any other method of pushing back. Kind did a great job laying that put and discussing the mindset that protesters much embrace before protesting.i also agree that there are many people who will join in of they see the opportunity to do so. At one point 40-50% of the population supported occupy wall st according to major news outlet polls last fall.

We hbr the makings for a revolution of thought that could help us unify and unseat the corporatists who have hijacked our government, damaged our environment, wrecked our economy and messed with our minds. I think it's time we push back nonviolently.

[-] 1 points by TheHolyRoller (2) 5 years ago

The one issue we face is direct and immediate mobilization. Gathering people for marches sounds easy, but in fact can be hard itself to implement. This must be done with orchestratable and demonstrable furvor and locked in with key timing and effort to be understood by all involved. As in militarized actions what is needed is, gathering of materials, gathering of forces and then correctly timed coalition of individuals in one place at one specific time for the same purpose. Real marches should start being orchestrated as soon as possible and pre-planned so as to be implemented to have the most effect. Efficiency here is key. The more desired effect each march has the more likely that the march will garner public support.

What is the end result of this? What is the finalized desired result of all marches? The end goal. That as far as I can tell has been yet to be determined. Yes we all want change within the market system and democratic system to more reflect a system that allows the people to prosper as a whole rather than on an individual basis which has resulted in the current market crash. The last thing we want or need is communism from which Europe is still recovering. The term responsible capitalism has been has been used. This term is something I had come up with some years ago and have a writing stashed somewhere in this computer where I outlined and defined the term. I will post that document at some point whence my statements have gained enough support as to be useful. I think what we are looking for is the proper implementation of a Platocracy. Where the good of our fellow man takes presidence and importance over personal monetary gain. Within reason, people should be allowed to amass individual wealth. However if their amassing of individual wealth damages the well being of the system and all who prosper from it, then there should be a means for arguing that fact and removing that entity or group of entities control over the system itself, and requiring by fair law, that a specific portion of the profits that entity or group of entity gains be re disbursed to the lowest part of society, or to a governing body to be used for the public good. Lets say to build a park, or provide housing for the homeless or provide funding for drug education and avoidance as well as recovery programs.

Perhaps, the final result desired of the democratic occupy revolution should be the formation of a third party in order to better demonstrate and represent all the people, not just the ones in control.


The Holy Roller

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 5 years ago

You're onto something Holy Roller. Seen this yet? I think it's right down your alley: http://occupywallst.org/forum/extraordinary-speech-check-this-out/

Also it's interesting what you described sounds sort of like what's described here with regard to corporations getting individual charters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 5 years ago

Well, I can see right now, item # 2, #3 and #6 need to be taken out because you will not get anyone to abide by those requirements.

[+] -5 points by queef (-69) 5 years ago

Forget it. All liberals KNOW is violence. That's why cops are always clubbing you, tazing, you and arresting you.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

So says the worthless slimeball thuggin' piece of shit.

[+] -4 points by queef (-69) 5 years ago

Funny how Tea Party people never get arrested. But at every fucking OWS fake outrage rally, dozens of the morons are clubbed and arrested. Go figure

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

And yet your heroes are the founding fathers, who clearly werent hesitant to get busy.

If the founding fathers had the energy and balls that you clowns did, we'd be flying the British flag right now.

Look at what they did to RP at the convention. Did anyone have the balls to get up, possibly get up on stage and call bullshit? Hell no.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Funny how the Tea Party wasn't bright enough to come up with anything similar to the Rolling Jubilee or Occupy Sandy..............

[-] 4 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 5 years ago

they just didn't give a fuck about anybody but themselves. it is the objectivist way. down with fascism down with objectivism!

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33526) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yeah and now Tea Potty people "rinos" have delayed yet again hurricane Sandy relief.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

They are such swell people, huh?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33526) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Swollen? I think it has to do with a high fat diet.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

That went straight to the brain.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33526) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

or is it that they are not cannibals but they eat anything not properly defended?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33526) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

HEEAAAYYYYY - gross but is that what head cheeze is????????????? Ewwweeewwww . . . . . I'm gonna B sick . . . Wealthy eat head cheeze - right? - - - they are cannibals. . . ewe

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33526) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

High fat content to say the least. Thing that always bothers me - this additional storm/disaster relief money - who does it go to - how does it get spent - what does it accomplish? I mean individuals have household insurance - does this money pick-up where normal insurance left people underwater? Do we fix this lack of insurance coverage/payment?

Sooner - rather then - later - we have got to recognize that there are areas which can not be built upon - low lying coastal areas and low lying inland flood plain areas.

Do we relocate this housing business and industry? Or do we make it flood proof? Redesign all structures and power grids and infrastructure to work in a flood - increasing number and severity of floods.

Disaster recovery - getting people prompt and sufficient help immediately after a disaster is one thing - to make that same disaster unrepeatable in the future - is another thing all together. And it needs to be addressed - not left unanswered till the repeat of the current disaster clean-up.

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

some of the pork in that bill,....money for 150 mil for fisheries in alaska ( nowhere where sandy hit), 8 mil to homeland security and the justice dept to buy new cars.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

Don't forget the million sent to Africa to teach them to wash their penises between sexual liaisons; if they can spend a million to teach Africans how to wash their dicks, then they can send at least a billion to the northeast for aide to Sandy.

[+] -4 points by aville (-678) 5 years ago

ows couple arrested in nyc on guns and bomb building charges.