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http://occupywallst.org/forum/12-reasons-to-consider-a-resource-based-economy/
Excellent! "earth's resources are common heritage to all human beings"
If that concept was put into practice in terms of laws....there would be no poverty.
The earth's resources are common heritage to all human beings, whatever happens. They are not treated accordingly.
Money is a tool. It is a medium of exchange. Try not to use money and see what happens.
we are not evolved enough as a species yet to implement a venus project type system. Would love to see it but just not plausible at this time... better to just do our best with a money system by drastically reducing government spending and involvement, ending the fed, freeing up markets, low flat tax, north dakota type banking system, and just cracking down on the cronyism
http://www.moneytrendsresearch.com/
you know i hear about RBE all the time these days from reformers, but now is not the time, it would be too radical of a change too soon, and it's good in theory, but you know i'm not sure how well it would work on a grand scale, just like corporate capitalism failed us on a grand scale... my "marching slogan" is " we want main street capitalism, no more wall street capitalism" more decentralized, localized economies
capitalism isn't the problem. what some have done with it, is.
exactly
Jacques Fresco has been thinking about this for a very long time. We started this site to help educate people about Occupy Wall Street and the transition towards a Resource Based Economy: www.occupyrbe.info
The focus of #ows is currently on wall street because people like to blame people. But let's face it, the real underlying re-placer of jobs is robotics and automation. Machines replaced us in agriculture, they replaced us in manufacturing, and it will soon replace us in services (think atm, self check out, online travel services, etc.). Then, where do we go?
Everyone is talking about job creation? Why isn't anyone talking about creativity creation? Or free time creation? Were humans really designed to work 9-5? Is that our life purpose?
It is important to recognize that technology is not some alien invasion, instead, it is something that is transformative, beautiful and incredibly powerful. Technology has artfully emerged from our species, we need to embrace this gift. We need to rebuild society today so that this second wave of intelligence benefits each and every one of us. Let's build a resource based economy and design a life of perpetual vacation.
This idea is of a RBE is pretty unrealistic. My proposal to create a global based Party called the People's Party is better than the Zeitgeist Movement cults RBE communistic Utopian. Click link below.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-street-basic-model-proposal-and-no-its/
It sounds great to want to create a new economic system for the world, but I think what people don't realize is the fact that the people who want to dominate and control, the shadow elite as it were, have been around for a long time and they are the problem, not the system. You can change the system and these people will resurface to take over again. How do you resolve the problem? Personally I think the problem will get solved in the future but probably in a way no one imagined. Yeah, if you were in charge of creating a new economic system it wouldn't be hard to come up with ideas that would work. If you want clean free energy take a look at this site. http://www.cheniere.org/ I think the awareness that the "patriots" of OccupyWallStreet are creating is super great and long overdue. The media coverage their getting is fantastic. If I was in better health I would be out there too. Talk is cheap, what's needed is action and that's what the resistance is doing.
Yes, but if enough people are informed of alternative systems like an RBE, we can collectively demand change towards them while working to EFFECTIVELY transition the current system.
. It's not the system that's flawed it's the people. The system that our forefathers set up with a public bank ,where the government ran the banks and charged little or no interest, and like the state of North Dakota has, would of worked fine. But as you read history, the continental currency was counterfeited heavily by the British, demonstrating that the bankers are just too insidious a group to deal with. Even after the Civil War Lincoln set up the greenback under a system of public banking and was assassinated and the greenback done away with by the bankers. The RBE system would work just a good as any other non parasitic system like the current banking system. I think the ideas of the RBE are great.But If you look at ancient history to the present you'll see that even Plato didn't have much hope for governments, and today we are seeing that repeat of history in the United States. Just take a look at the book Animal Farm by George Orwell.
The problem are all systems which emphasize the importance of competition rather than collaboration. This includes political, monetary, and some religious systems.
Whenever competition is at a system's foundation there will always be winners and losers, haves and have nots. And for the 'haves' to maintain their power they must use whatever tactic is necessary to remain on top. Those unwilling to use immoral and unethical tactics will lose their position. This in effect allows the worst kinds of people to gain positions of power.
Competition-based systems therefore indirectly reward the worst side of humanity.
Any system with collaboration at it's foundation will work much better than the current system. The RBE is simply more efficient and effective because it applies the scientific method to social issues. Scientific method > opinion because it is capable of self-testing and correcting mistakes before they occur.
And yes, in regards to all the shady and corrupt activities which occur behind the scenes. They must be exposed if people are to let go of competition driven systems. But of course, the issue is HOW which OWS seems to be addressing partially now.
In the meantime becoming self-sustainable and participating in collaborative rather competitive activities will progress us towards that post-scarcity society we all desire.
I was on Jacque Fresco's website and although I haven't read his books I did go over the website pretty thoroughly. The concept of a resource based economy sounds great, and would probably work if not for the problem, which Fresco doesn't want to admit, of human nature. I know, Fresco is a scientist and believes in behaviorism. He believes we come into the world as blank sheets of paper that can be programed from day one to either be good or bad. Anyone who has been around children knows that this is not true. We all come into the world with at least a false ego, and have to discover our real selves in order to grow emotionally. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm Even if we went to a RBE the people who now have control of our present system, the special interest, would only take control of the RBE system. So it's not the system, it's the people in the system that's the problem. I honestly don't believe Fresco when he says he can create a society of perfect people who won't be disruptive. Just taking the need for resources off the table is not going to make people morally perfect.
I agree with you halfway because it does in fact come down to the personal will of the people. The corruption and greed/competition centered practices must be released in order for a RBE to develop.
But I disagree in the fact that the environment has a much stronger impact on one's behavior than their nature. There will be no perfect people. There are no perfect systems. A RBE isn't meant to be perfect.
Systems have to evolve and change to adapt to the will of the people, otherwise revolutions will destroy it from within.
A RBE simply rewards the better qualities of people rather than competitive ones. So even if there exist a bad apple to two, they will not undermine the entire system. Just look at Norway's relaxed penal system and their lower crime rates. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4beUC3-ckw
So again, it's really about promoting and rewarding collaboration rather than competition. This is the key to reaching a post-scarcity society.
Hello, from spain, more on RBE: http://www.dailypaul.com/70314/resource-based-economy and also the Blue economy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1af08PSlaIs
I think it could work. I'm all for it. No one should control any of the Earth's resources. They belong to every human being born.
I think it could work. I'm all for it. No one should control any of the Earth's resources. They belong to every human being born.
I love capitalism but this revolution should lead to the following:
Public free clean energy for everyone. (a minimun per peron worldwide, more for the Rich) Public free healthcare. (Again a minimum for everyone and more for the Rich, or richer societies) Shelter and food for everyone. (I dont think everyone needs a villa, but at least a bed, food and warmth) Everybody shuld have acces to some education (read, write and calculate and a world commun language would be a help)
If we clear some debts and use some funds from the 1% or 5% and the world would work on thee (and maybe other principles) we dont have time for wars.
I believe all organisation needs an enemy to reach a commun goal. Use our climate and bad energy (petrol, nuclear...)
Last but not least (find all commun principles the churches used to organise the world. Im sure all religions have some very powerfull one in commun we can use.
Peace!
I'll look into it. However I'm more for the allowing the people themselves to select what they want to use for a monetary system. There should be no one system that's being enforced as the standard. The one that would work best will be the standard and as long it works best. No need of laws and regulations to keep it standing.