Forum Post: A Question for Everyone
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 4:36 p.m. EST by HitGirl
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It seems to me that a lot of people are floating a lot of radical suggestions. We should be looking at the root of our problems and applying more practical ideas. What is the purpose of money? Can we agree that it serves society as a medium of exchange? The problem is that it is also used to reward and punish and peoples lives depend on it. That makes money very powerful. There are very few people who, given the opportunity, wouldn't accumulate as much as possible. In the past we limited that kind of power-grab through progressive taxation. Is that the best answer?
Don't the OWS people have ANY ideas.
If you want to discuss this please follow the link
http://occupywallst.org/forum/maybe-this-will-get-the-support-of-mainstream-medi/
They say we don't know how the system works. I say they don't know how systems in general work.
In science old theories get replaced by a new theory if the new theory explains the things of the old theories (and even more) better than the old theories. But it can take a long time before the new theory becomes mainstream because they always face the problem of dogmatism in the establishment (think of Gallileo).
This new theory I found, by doing some research in the web, is called 'debitism' and the principles and consequences are very easy to understand if you are not blinded by the things which you consider to be facts. But the fact is, facts exist only if you can prove them by logically deducing them from given facts. And the most things you consider as facts are only beliefs deducted from beliefs.
So here is an introduction in the theory of debitism for preschool kids (things in brackets to make it easyer for the experts to understand):
Money (and such things as expected money or how you may call this) is created if someone (banks or so) gives a credit (or something equivalent) to someone else. And if someone pays back his credit the money gets destroyed. So the amount of money is always equal to the amount of debt, which is also true if you take interest rates (and such things) into account. Therefore money is just the proof of the promise of someone to pay back his debt. And the rest of the economy is just about how getting this piece of proof to pay your own debt plus the interest rate.
The problem which we face today is that someone must first take a new credit (which we can't because everybody says we have too much debts) before we can pay back our debts plus the interest rates. And the 1% can't give us the money either because their money is our promise to pay our debts and interest rates (so we need to bail them out which is only some sort of new credit). So we first will have to pay our interest rates before they can give us the money to do this. You see how messed up the system is?
So if we really want our system to keep running we are forced to make higher debts and not lower them. But even then there will be a point where the system collapses. And as history shows people don't say it was the systems fault. They say it was the fault of aliens which we have to kill and start building up the system again. From time to time they changed the face but not the structure. And the history got repeated many times.
And now a little bit theory of systems in general:
A system is called stable if every limited input leads to a limited output.
Real existing systems always tend to get into a stable state. Think of a pressure tank: if the pressure gets too high the tank explodes and the system is stable again.
So, if you don't want a collapse as the solution for the problems we face you should better educate yourself and others about debitism and start a public discussion about a stable system where everyone can live by his believes and where we all can freely care for our needs.
And stop insulting the movement beeing a bunch of lazy ignorant anarchists. The only lazy ignorant anarchists I see is the man behind the 1% and his supporters who profit from keeping people blind and uneducated and for whom a human life means nothing.
And I would be glad if one of the economy experts can proof the theory of debitism to be wrong. But before you can do this you will have to study this theory and understand it because that is the way how real science works.
And don't believe anything I said. Maybe I am just the man behind the one percent or one of his supporters who tries to disturb the public awakening.
Learn to think and educate yourself. Internet is not just for commerce and porn.
Feel free to use this text as you like. Maybe someone will print this on toilet paper for the 1%?
And to anonymous: if you want to hack the system distribute this.
Welcome in the next millenium.