Forum Post: A cookbook to create 20 million jobs
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 19, 2011, 4:29 a.m. EST by RogerDee
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from Montclair, NJ
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Defining the scale of the solution
Jobs are obviously the first priority, creating the next generation of energy infrastructure and reversing wage disparity complete the list for our purposes. China spends 9-10% of GDP on infrastructure, Europe and India 5% to 6%. If we spent 50 billion on the New Deal over 7 years, thats about 7 billion a year, or about 7% of GNP in 1936. While a dollar spent in the US in 1936 mostly stayed in the US that is no longer true.
Due to Energy, Resource depletion and EROEI issues the days of 6% Growth in the economy are gone, 3% to 3.5% might be the best we can expect short of practical fusion and space based resources,
Summary: 1) 7% of GNP wont do today, make it 10%. 2) 3 years wasn’t remotely enough, make it 5 years.
New Deal cost 50 billion. http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/11/new-deal-stimulus-opinions-contributors_0211_jim_powell.html
Conclusion 10% of GDP spent on jobs stimulus over 5 years. 1.5 trillion to start. That should get us on the right track, in years 4 and 5 consideration should be given as to whether a 6th year is needed.
Where do we find these new jobs? The US manufacturing sector gets a big boost because of the nature of renewable energy development and infrastructure and surface transportation infrastructure jobs will play a major role. Healthcare related fields should add jobs over the next decades.
According to the US Dept of Energy there 2 main reasons why renewable energy technologies offer an economic advantage, 1) They are labor intensive, so they generally create more jobs per dollar invested than conventional electricity technologies and 2) they use primarily indigenous resources, so most of the energy dollars can be kept at home.
http://stalix.com/Solar%20Energy%20Job%20Creation.pdf
Wind power. 20% of US electricity in 20 years, 300 gigawatts of wind turbines with a capacity of 100 gigawatts. The US Dept of Energy estimates 500,000 jobs can be created in meeting the 20% from wind goal. Offshore installation of wind turbines pays very well: 80k to 120k.
Solar Power. Although the SEIA does not endorse a 20% in 20 years program, Rhone Resch, president of the Solar Energy Industries Association, said in November of 2010 “that installing 10 GW annually by 2015 would create as many as 220,000 jobs”. Other studies estimate 480,000 jobs over 10 years, though they base the higher number of jobs on waiting for Solar panel factories to be built and count those jobs, as a predecessor to installation jobs. For our purposes 400,000 jobs over 20 years. http://ussolarinstitute.com/2011-outlook-for-clean-energy-jobs-in-the-u-s-–-beating-the-trend/
Hydro A recent study conducted by Navigant Consulting suggests between 480,000 and 1.4 million jobs can be created. Its not clear that these numbers include pumped hydro stage systems.
Smartgrid with HVDC Job creation estimates range from 240,000 to 420,000 over 20 years, leading to more efficient clean power, replacing failure prone AC systems with DC results in more stable power, cleaner power. Smart meters with sensors on AC local systems give Utilities more warning of increasing demand. HVDC allows large amounts if electricity to be moved over 2000 miles, with 30 to 50% less loss than HVAC.
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/smart-grid-could-create-280000-smart-jobs/
HVDC systems http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/09/1001465/-Solar,-Wind,-HVDC-and-the-Smartgrid
Manufacturing Over the last decade this sector has lost over 6 million jobs. Manufacturing output dropped by 10% while GDP grew 15%. Capital investment and R&D tax breaks along with partnerships in energy can turn manufacturing around. Lets add 3-4 million jobs over 40 years. Many manufacturing jobs are good jobs, paying between 35k to 75k.
http://www.technologyreview.com/business/37958/page1/
Infrastructure investment Not much to say here, I’m we all understand the importance, and how good these jobs are. 9 to 10 million jobs a year. Many of them 45k to 85k, good jobs. http://change.gov/agenda/economy_agenda/
http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/12064319904/cookbook-for-creating-21-million-jobs-in-the-us-by
Hey look kidz!!
Something to consider besides arguing over who's partisan or not.
These are all important considerations....................:)
A good post - thanks for bringing it back to the light of day. This was posted I believe during one of the earlier bot attacks on this forum. Would like to have seen this one get more notice back then - would like to see the contributor/author return.
Surprisingly, or not, it's being ignored by those who constantly bitch about partisanship........By those who constantly try and excite partisanship.
This is why I figure they are 100% pure bullshit.
Every last one of them.
Excuse me my fine sir. There was a fella who spoke about not much more than wages and the Federal Reserve. Seems he was often downvoted because protesting the Fed was to close to conservatism for some. Even though the Fed is handing trillions of tax payer dollars to the very banks being protested and not a dime will go to something like a jobs bill or anything of that nature. Strange indeed.
Not sure what this has to do with this thread, but I get down voted for saying innocuous and even supportive things too.
Oh well.. I try not to take it too seriously. It's been going on for months now, and will likely continue to happen.
Stick around and be supportive, and you'll be OK in the long run.....:)
As long as it's not bots, I'm not mad about it.
Oh please, I don't want to hear any more conspiracy theories about the FED.
( I always wonder where thrashy is at times like these.)
Get WallStreet out of it and I think it will be alright.
Quantitative Easing doing more harm than good is a conspiracy theory? LMAO. Well it sounded like you just said you were more knowledgeable than over half of Bernanke's colleagues who also said that Bernanke was harming the consumer base with his application of easing. But, I guess you know best. I look forward to your highly detailed thread on the matter. Please include charts.
I don't know best and you don't either.
So yepperz, all the FED crap is conspiracy theory.
I see lots of pro and con on QE. You apparently don't.
It's a conspiracy theory but you see lots of pros and cons on what you call a conspiracy theory? As I stated previously, I look forward to your thread on the mater. Please include charts.
I don't need another useless chart on this matter.
I did tell you what I feel needs to be done, however you ignored it.
With the plethora of charts out there, endorsed by folks from stormfront, to the OMB and everybody else inbetween or with a bone to pick.
I'll pass.
No idea what either of the groups are. I do not that you downplay it yet validate it at the same time. Internal conflict?
Funnily enough, I run into folks that have no idea what FLAKESnews is too, as well as people that quote rush Limbaugh, that swear up and down they NEVER listen to him.
It's a strange world, isn't it?
stormfront sounds like a video game. What is OMB so I can look it up?
Office of Management and Budget. That would be the official conspiracy theory.
Stormfront is a bunch of white power nazis, that are highly opposed to the FED.
what does eliminating the FED have to do with white power?
one knows the fed loans money to the elite at low interest that turn around and loan the money out at higher interest
that elite is predominately white
Don't confuse me with those or the Paul folks. The idea of reverting to the gold standard is like disavowing calculus. Again, we don't all fit in boxes.
Never said you did. I was just answering your question.
Not sure where you got the tie in to Paul, but stormfront is one group of his supporters.
No - tell me it ain't so!!! You mean all of that building a bridge to the ground stuff was a lie? I am Shocked - shocked I say.
The "bridge to the ground" is already here. It always was.
They just rarely post in those threads, preferring instead to stir up controversy among posters, and create their own personal "conspiracy theories"..
Yeah we call that a staircase.
It is insidious. trashy and his toe jam puppets operating under a false flag - those Bastards!
From what I understand, the guy you call thrasy has access to users IP addresses. This sir is no troll, it's a false flag.
Every thread posted under username OccupyWallSt, is just such a bridge.
Just such an attempt to reach the "streets".
The divisive things they post only drive those posts lower, as they rarely post a thing in them.
I understand and I agree. The bridge has always been in place - this forum this site all of the postings of the protests happening on the ground by this site and forwarded by this site for the various affinity groups.
And this is something others should be aware of as well.
The false flag fliers do not contribute - they disrupt.
Exactly.
So now you know what to say to the turds demanding a different bridge.
What's wrong with the one that OWS built already?
It is so obvious - I could just kick myself for having wasted so much time.
It took me a few days too.
It's a distracting trick of propagandists.
Pretend the obvious doesn't exist.
Take that for what you will
I will - I can be slow on the uptake - so I should be more observant - than reactionary. Thanks - yeah - shills they just piss me off. I gotta get a better handle on that.
Never think that you are so good, that propaganda cannot get through to you.
That's when you are most vulnerable.
They had me ignoring what was in front of my face too. I was mostly confused by all the rest of the shit they were throwing.
That's just another propaganda trick.
Pushing peoples buttons is easy to do. Of course the shills are gonna go there. Practically their only useful weapon.
[-] 1 points by shooz (12650) 0 minutes ago
That's if it really was a plan. They could have just fallen into it as way to piss others off.
That too, is more popular around here than it should be. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Hope that their plan being blown wide open really pisses em off.
[-] 1 points by shooz (12650) 0 minutes ago
The shit storm is thrown up as cover for the core. It kept users bickering about side issues.
The aim was to create the illusion that there is no "bridge to the ground".
The term itself felt propagandized in the first place.
Whether he realized it or not VQ hit it, when he mentioned 'we have stairs'. Indeed, bridges cross gaps. Ramps and stairs reach the ground.
It was slick, but now they will need something new. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
That's if it really was a plan. They could have just fallen into it as way to piss others off.
That too, is more popular around here than it should be.
Yep throw a shit storm and perhaps some will get past the clean-up effort. They definitely throw up a lot of shit.
The shit storm is thrown up as cover for the core. It kept users bickering about side issues.
The aim was to create the illusion that there is no "bridge to the ground".
The term itself felt propagandized in the first place.
Whether he realized it or not VQ hit it, when he mentioned 'we have stairs'. Indeed, bridges cross gaps. Ramps and stairs reach the ground.
It was slick, but now they will need something new.
Sorry to dust off on old thread here, but I had to really dig to find something on topic. I think the ideas about alternative energy development look great at a glance, I guess what I would add to that would be an up to date rail system, and more public school teachers.
And airports, roads & bridges, Smart grid Super conducting electrical system. Shipping ports. And much much more!
Sounds great.
This post is nine months old. It could have been posted today. This is major issue stuff. Ending our addiction dependence need ( however you want to put it ) for fossil fuel is paramount. Using clean technology like thorium reactors and liquid metal batteries for power creation storage and delivery would be so gr8 for our power grid so much more efficient safe and clean. It would also provide those manufacturing jobs as long as the contracts were placed with a stipulation for domestic manufacture only.
This is what we should be doing as though our lives depended on it - because our lives do depend on it. Look at the jobs created look at the pollution stopped look at the need for fossil fuel strife ended as this clean technology can be exported as peaceful aid to needy countries.
Peace is not achieved through the barrel of a gun - it is achieved through meeting the needs of people - ALL PEOPLE.
And where does the money come from???
tax cap gains & corps & koch etc
but we cant do that! why???
too many Rs in congress
what???
95% signed grovers no tax pledge
what can we do about that???????
throw the pledge signers out of office
vote for people who did not sign that pledge
for OWS - advocating for JOBS - is very easy
for OWS - advocating voting for people who support that -
for people who actually will be able to do something - is very hard
you could start with Obama & Warren & Duckworth & Grayson
but we cant "endorse" anyone
why would we want to do that? we are not allowed!
teacher - can I please get up to go to the boys' room please ?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/jobs-arent-the-problem/
Jobs aren't the problem it's the cost of commodities and basic survival items - food, water, oil, gas, electric, communications, housing, bank loans. They are busy robbing us blind yet we're so willing to work work work even harder to overpay these mega monopolies for inflated prices. Let's work less, let's have less jobs - let's just get rid of monopolies, then we can work less hours a week and still be able to meet those basic needs that are being pillaged from us. It's not jobs stupid - it's monopoly prices.
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