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Forum Post: 69k people got a job last month

Posted 5 years ago on June 1, 2012, 10:54 a.m. EST by gestopomillyy (1695)
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US job market all but stalls in May


And all you hear on here is 'get a job' THERE ARE NO JOBS



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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

We need to see import tariffs. Products being brought to our ( USA's ) market place are being made for pennies on the dollar then sold at full market price or just a tad less so that enormous profit is made. I do not care if it is a completely foreign manufacturer or an outsourced manufacturer. The cost to manufacture/import savings should be eliminated. Business is ruining our economy by outsourcing/importing. We are losing work/employment so that business can have substantial profits. Thing is what happens when so much has been outsourced/imported that there are no consumers here able to buy? When you cut off the earning potential of the better part of the population - where does the economy Go? Down down down. Where then does business earnings go? Down down down - no sales - out of business in this market. Greed will kill itself after it kills us.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

And republicans are cutting money for states to keep American 1st reponders, teachers, and sanitation workers employed. there would be 2 million more Americans working if the government hasn't fired so many Americans in the last 2 years. It is criminal, dogmatic. self destructive when we have an employement problem.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

Pick a Bale of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan

San Diego Welfare offered me a job for $2 an hour

[-] 1 points by junglemonkeez (208) 5 years ago

That reminds me, isn't money made of cotton?

[-] 0 points by adaldk (-11) 5 years ago

cotton and other things, Crane's makes the blanks for our money.

[-] 0 points by quatloo55 (10) 5 years ago

There's nothing wrong with keeping the First Responders, teachers and sanitation workers. It's the admin staff that has grown over the years and needs to go. We don't need a bunch of paper pushers dressed as the deputy assistant to the deputy assistant to the department secretary to the secretary. Get it?

More paper, policy, arcane process and bureaucracy gets us nowhere. Keep it lean and we'll have no problem. Gubment should not be a jobs program.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We are in the middle of an unemployment crises. Now is the wrong time to make things worse by Firing more American workers. It is self destructive! It is ignorant. Cutting waste in govt jobs should be done when the economy has recovered. We are in the "great recession" because of corp crimes not govt working Americans. To punish them with firing is punishing the victims of the corporate crimes that have transpired. And will just make the recession worse. The only solution to our recession is growth, more employment (not less) govt or private, also debt forgiveness for working Americans, tax cuts for middle class/small business. With more employment and more money in middle class hands will increase consumption, demand and then the job creators will finally hire people like they should. We must also reward corps who onshore jobs, and punish those who offshore jobs (and assets). Agreed?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Thanks VQkag,

Austerity feeds the beast of recession. Swells the ranks of the unemployed and adds to the list of those not able to pay their bills and so weakens the economy further.

Sure lets throw fuel on the fire.

Fucking backwards thinking shit heads.

I think not.

Let us instead embark on a series of national works programs and employ people and put money into circulation in the economy while improving our infra structure at the same time this is going on we need the government to address the issue of white collar crime and the TBTF banks that have ruined our economy.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Agree with all your suggestions. Also, lets create jobs (public private) to making every home energy efficient. That could last decades! And save money as well. Jobs in residential solar manu/install made affordable by govt subs. Also, wind turbine manu/constr in largescale (midwest, offshore installs). And finally jobs for millions who can sift through our landfills for recycled material, compost material? methane capture. There are so many critical areas we can employ people thatwould improve society at the same time.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

What say part of the national public works programs was to directly support the needy.

Make their homes green tech. - Solar panels, mini wind turbines, Geo-thermal heating and cooling.

Reduce their utility bills while relieving stress on the power grid.

Look at the hopewell project. It features a stand alone home.


Look at low income housing or senior housing or any subsidized housing.

Reduce their costs - and - What (?) - save money/resources.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Yes I've seen your hopewell project link it is smart and important. I would also add creating jobs in urban farming. All public housing roofs perhaps. Maybe separate highrise structures just to grow healthy fruits and vegetables. Serves an important need in urban areas. And all of these jobs we mention should include job training for low income people to fill them. This would create great economic growth. And save government money that would other wise be used to support low income people. Seems like no brainer.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yes it does - a common sense initiative. Training? Remember OJT?

What better training then to help install the systems and learn as you go. Many parts of installation relate directly to maintenance as you see how the system is put together and are shown how it functions much of the information relates directly to operation and maintenance.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

This is where we must create consensus. These kinds of jobs programs have great potential to help so many people.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Absolutely - a clear cut issue of common cause to the health and benefit of ALL.



[-] -3 points by adaldk (-11) 5 years ago

skag,the growing of govt jobs is a false economy. growth and a healthy GDP comes from the private sector.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

"skag"? <-- name calling? Are 12 yrs old? We have created 4.5 million private sector jobs. Replaced all the jobs lost by Bush. If the repubs didn't cur funds for state aid we would have another million Americans working. That would make a difference in the affects of the great recession that the repubs and their 1% criminals created.



[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Walmart and mcdonalds expand?

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

Does not mean we stop trying to find one. Its not easy but it can be done.

That said, the situation is grim and the statistics are skewed. True unemployment is supposedly much higher since Govt statistics do not typically include people who have stopped actively searching for employment.

Keep searching for employment... if nothing else, at least you will be helping to bring the real unemployment figures to light... might force someone to do something right for a change... Be a part of the solution...

[-] 1 points by Stormcrow1 (-25) 5 years ago

Until the people get their head screwed on right and stop buying cheap chinese made products and start demanding a import tax to be used to fund American made businesses we will never have jobs here in the USA

Stop protesting on wall street and start protesting your representatives and big box stores that have 99% or their product imported from china - and that also includes your beloved apple IPODS that you so much admire and can't live without.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

lol ive just seen that new commercial with john malkovich. absolutely creepy! i will never have an ipad , iphone or ipod! i might end up old and talking to a inanimate object.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Fair Trade over Free Trade is on the table.

Protesting Wall Street makes perfect sense as it is the iconic location of all the big box stores that import from China. Dosen't make sense to have 4 or 5 demonstrators in the parking lots of 1,000 Walmarts, when you can have 5,000 protestors in one location on Wall Street.

As for the iPadss, and iPhones everyone harps on,.... well, primo communications equipment is needed to further the movement.

[-] 1 points by Stormcrow1 (-25) 5 years ago

How about having 5,000 protesters in one location in Washington DC.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

It's been done. We need to do it more times.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Don't stop protesting WallStreet as they are the very visible tip of the corrupt greedy criminal practices running rampant in our country and world.

This outsourcing and free trade agreement mess is all part of the same toxic economic mess we are in.

This is another front in the same battle.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Unitl a politcian says we should erase the tax/trade/foreign and monetary policies and start over, we should be looking fo rhte next guy

[-] 0 points by tedscrat70 (-35) 5 years ago

No, the government is appearing to be completely incapable of producing jobs. That is Ok, though; it was never their job to begin with. Individuals create jobs, industrialists and capitalists create jobs. When there is a profit to be made, people will strive to make it. There is no incentive to grow when Obama & Co demand that everyone pay their fair share, whatever the fuck that means from a mere community organizer.
Give the money back to the people, they will know what to do with it.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

There are no jobs?

An 8% unemployment rate means that you have a 92% chance of finding a job. Pretty good odds.

Get a job indeed!

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

no 8% unemployment means that how many are drawing unemployment, not how many have jobs. there are 15million out of work.. there are 69k jobs. thats not 8%.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

There are 12.7 million unemployed people in the US. 69000 is the number of new jobs created in the month of April. There are also 3.3 million jobs that turnover each month. That means that every month there is 1 chance in 4 of getting job.


[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

thats not "new job' those are old jobs that have not yet been eliminated.even at your estimate.. thats 25% chance of a job and that just a chance. by that thinking.. 3.3 million people get a job every month and 3.3 million lose one. thats 0%. theres no way around the fact that there are no jobs.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

No, it means that for everyone seeking a job each month there is a 1 in 4 chance in getting it. They must compete for it and, frankly, having a half-full attitude will improve your odds considerably.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

thats a 75% chance you wont get a job.. and attitude means nothing until the interview performance date. being realistic doesnt mean you have a bad attitude after all.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

Attitude is everything, all the time. Without it you will never get the interview. You can't hide attitude, it is one of the unchangeable post-puberty traits. If you want a thing you must be convinced you can achieve it. How can you convince and employer that you can do a job if you not convinced yourself?

[-] 3 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

being absolutley convinced you can do a job does not get you an interview. until then all a boss sees is your resume . scince there has been an elimination of about 5 million jobs in the last few years.. there is a overabundance of people that most not in the least concerned about thier abilities having already been in the workforce thier whole lives. you confuse the kids just out of school with seasoned workers that have to find a replacement job for those eliminated. now IBM is eliminating 27k positions. on top of the 30k from citi bank not to mention the millions in the last few years. none of those people lack confidence.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

When IBM cuts people how do you think they pick which ones to let go?

When I hire someone do you think that the first person I look for is the guy that IBM did not want?

No, I want to steal the guy that IBM wanted to keep or hire the smartest person coming out of the best University in the top of the 2012 graduating class.

[-] 3 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

so you think IBM has hired 27,000 losers? just let em hang around till the company tanked? lol i imagine even you could not get a job at IBM. i imagine that they will go by seniority like most large companies do. besides the point anyway.. you are not going to hire 27000 people. most of those people will be on unemployment for the next 99 weeks. then working for a fourth of what they are worth at some small business somewhere. point being.. there are no jobs for those people.. they will not just go back to work a week after elimination. cause there are NO JOBS

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

The 27,000 are by definition not the top IBM performers. At a time when there is labor pool abundance why would an employer settle for second best?

Even IBM continues to hire the best new 2012 grads at the same time they are conducting a reduction in force.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

yes they are.. ibm is eliminating jobs in order to save money.. it has nothing to do with job performance or ability. why would you think that? are you not aware that the 15 million jobs eliminated was not due to job performance?. that during the last 5 years.. american workers have increased production all at same time that the corporations were eliminating millions of jobs? how can you think an eliminated position has anything to do with who populated that position? its pure greed of the management that eliminated those positions.. so that money could be put in the pocket of the ceo. i looked and the last time ibm was hiring any one was 2009.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

Think about what you just wrote. Could it be possible that IBM has not hired a singe person for 3 years?

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

Please think about what you just wrote. Do you believe that it is possible that IBM has not hired a single person in three years?

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

you are too trusting. there are over 5 million "job openings' right now. only 69k were actual jobs . companies put these out there to appear as though they are profitable and growing to enhance stock prices while the truth is they eliminating and firing people. seriously.. how can there be 7800 jobs at a company that is eliminating 27000 positions ? think!

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

This is painful.

Of course there are job openings at IBM; thousands of them. The RIF is affecting 17% of their workforce over a period of 3 - 5 years. The RIF does not affect every business sector. They must continue to hire in sectors where they are growing. Additionally, IBM has the normal employee replacement (~ 3.5%) hires that take place continuously at IBM (and other corps) as people retire or leave for other jobs.

Your recalcitrance on this issue is confounding.

These jobs are not unfilled by IBM. They are filled every month and new jobs are listed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Propaganda - misinformation - spin - to support a false stance. Yep corporations at work jobs listings misinformation is the same as MSM propaganda. If you took all of these jobs listings and added them up. Then took the number of UN-employed - the published number or the real higher number. You might wonder how come these jobs are unfilled.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

yes it is absolutely a fact that they have not hired. why would you think they would once the collapse began?

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

7800 Job Openings at IBM right now.They are hiring right now!


[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

This info is not hard to find:

IBM Annual Report 2012


Total Personnel: 433,362

Turnover rate: 3.5%

Number of replacement hires (2011) : 15,165

500 Jobs in Boulder


160 people hired at IBM Columbia


175 jobs in IBM Delaware county


1000 Jobs in San Jose


[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Right..... what percentage of those 92% employed do you think are leaving their jobs to create openings? And if they do leave their job, will an opening happen or will the business close it to save money in this climate?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 5 years ago

Turnover rate is about 3.3 % and is up from a low 3 years ago. Plus there have been about 3.5 million new jobs created in the last 36 months.




[-] 0 points by TheMisfit (48) 5 years ago

Of course there are no jobs. No one in DC is actually working on legislation that would encourage job growth. We have a corporate tax system that encourages greater leverage and risk while ensuring it is more profitable to operate overseas, our trade policy all but guarantees that our competitors will have the advantage over us in nearly every sector and many of the unions are willing to bargain a company out of existence in order to keep their wallets fat. We have such an anti-growth attitude when it comes to business that we have allowed DC to legislate away our prosperity.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

How many jobs bills have been obstructed in congress. And who is responsible for that. I only hear one party talking about penalizing outsourceing. What do YOU suggest. Any plan or just complaints?

[-] 0 points by TheMisfit (48) 5 years ago

Around 30 Rep and bipartisan jobs bills have been stalled by the Dems in the Senate to answer your first question, but none of them truly addressed the problems faced by US companies today. As for penalizing outsourcing; why penalize a company trying to remain competitive? That is the type of attitude that has created this mess in the first place. Rather than punishing someone for trying to stay ahead, we should change the environment that forced them to operate overseas in the first place. Your punishments only serve to make the problem even greater by creating more incentives for corporations to move operations overseas.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Let 'em move! then we can ban them from doing business in the greatest middle class market on the planet. It is a priviledge to do business here! They ain't doin us any favors. It ain't like they are hiring us. Lets see how competitive and successful they are selling to Australia, or Vietnam. What are you kiddin me? We gotta accomodate them? Don't be a pussy. It's our world. They are just a squirrel tryin to get a nut. Get it?

[-] 1 points by TheMisfit (48) 5 years ago

Your want to try and drive business away, then you complain that there are no jobs. God damn you are an ignoramus.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

your name calling shows the weakness of your argumenst. You use the same school yard bully tactics of your candidate Romney! You cannot intimidate me! I will not be silenced. I believe Corps are the problem. If DC has done something against the 99% (and of course they have ) it is at the behest of their corp puppet masters. they work for the corps. So even when DC is at fault the real criminals are the corp 1%. You don't see that? Then you are blind. You are the "idiot" as you say. not me.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 5 years ago

unions do not bargain a company out of business. most of those companies that cry bankrupt .. do so after giving the ceo a salary of 80 million.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Globalization is a real bitch.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 5 years ago

Yup. This is the one area where nationalism makes sense.

I don't want free trade if it means that so many Americans suffer. I'm pushing for tariffs on Chinese goods in particular, although Mexico is now manufacturing our games and DVDs, and we're still importing too much clothing from Malaysia.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

We are importing a ton of stuff, and its not exactly like the prices are cheaper now than they were in the 90's before these two parties started signing all this "free trade" BS, talking about a "service economy"...