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Forum Post: 5 Points that Occupy, Tea Party and the average American can agree on

Posted 5 years ago on Sept. 18, 2012, 4:28 p.m. EST by divisionamerica (4)
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I am launching a grassroots movement starting with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wowPGHC_lmA

the 5 points are

  1. Foreign Policy - End the wars
  2. Debt - we need to liquidate our 16 trillion dollar debt
  3. Federal Reserve - Audit/End the Fed, give congress back the power of the purse.
  4. Corporatism - stop the merging of government and corporations.
  5. Civil Liberties - repeal Patriot Act, stop the coming police state.

5 Points that form a fist the smash the status quo!



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[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 5 years ago

People have two fists, no need to be limited to just one.


[-] 1 points by lkindr (58) 5 years ago

The video is rather well made, but I think we need to organize better at the local level. The ruling class has addicted the people to pride in their differences. The people need to get into addiction recovery and deprogramming. They need to realize that there are win-win solutions for the vast majority of "differences".

[-] 0 points by divisionamerica (4) 5 years ago

thanks. i agree about the local level. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this go viral?

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 5 years ago

One key point that Occupy and the Tea Party agree on:


[-] 0 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 5 years ago

I don't think that will do anything to the status quo. None of those 5 points address the real problems in society: 18% are underemployed and 50% are in or near poverty because most of the wealth produced is concentrated in the hands of the few.

I think the solution is for the Right, Left and Center to each get their own economic system and these systems should compete against each other for your membership.

Having multiple economic systems would work similar to the way medical insurance plans work.

Each business and each person will decide which Economic Plan they want to join. When you sign up to an Economic Plan, you will work and shop at the companies that are part of your Economic Plan, just like how you visit doctors and medical facilities that are part of your medical insurance plan.

If we adopt this, nearly all of society's problems will come to an end. There will be no unemployment or poverty or financial struggle, which are the root cause of nearly every problem in society. Because when a Plan has to actually compete against other Plans for your membership, that competition will force them to make sure their system truly delivers the highest standard of living for its members.

Nobody will stay with a Plan that they think is unfair or is making them poor or that they cannot find a job in.

This is the only rational, sensible way to organize society. Everyone wins. The Right gets what they want. The Center gets what they want. And the Left gets what they want.

Forcing Republicans to live in a Democrat system or vice versa serves no useful purpose whatsoever. It is tyrannical and just causes conflict.

If interested, you can read more about this idea in this post.

[-] 0 points by divisionamerica (4) 5 years ago

what if you're not right, left or center...and what if all those systems suck? who will regulate this?

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 5 years ago

"what if you're not right, left or center"

In order for an economic plan to be viable it has to have enough people to create an entire independent economy that produces all the goods and services it needs. So if your economic plan got 10-20% of the population to want to sign up, the government would officially charter it and make it one of the available choices.

However, the Right, Left and Center systems cover just about all the different ways you can organize an economy. What system would you like to have?

Here is a brief description of each system:

The Right Plan would be a network of companies managed according to the Republican Party platform. All the companies in this plan would be privately owned, there would be minimal regulations and taxes, and the market would allocate everything including school, medicine and retirement.

The Center Plan would be a network of both privately and publicly owned companies managed according to the Democrat Party platform. There would be high regulations, high taxes and enough welfare to make sure everyone was at least getting the basics.

The Left Plan, described here, would be a network of companies that were all publicly owned. Income would be allocated in an egalitarian way since all Plan members would be equal owners in the Plan's companies and there would be no welfare since allocating income more equally would pay everyone a high enough income to make everyone wealthy.


"who will regulate this?"

They regulate themselves. You are free to choose any plan you want. So if a plan is not meeting the demand of its members, they will leave.

Each plan will be motivated to provide the highest standard of living. If they don't, they will lose all their members to the competing plans.

Plus, each plan would be governed by a democratic body, elected by plan members, that set the plan's policies.

[-] 0 points by divisionamerica (4) 5 years ago

to smash the status quo*