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Retribution Against the Financial Elite

Spokes Council Meeting Tonight

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 7, 2011, 5:14 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

The Spokes Council will take place tonight at Murry Bergtraum High School 411 PEARL STREET (Just East of City Hall) at 7:30PM. Please be on time. We have the space until 10:30pm.

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[-] 3 points by sqrltyler (207) 2 years ago

Let's join together to get all corporate money out of politics. We cannot institute real change democratically, until we accomplish this goal. Practically all Americans support this.

It's time to use the power of our numbers, to win our representative government back.

http://www.wolf-pac.com/

[-] 1 points by Freedom2B (23) 2 years ago

"Practically all Americans support this"... Barack Obama doesn't. Mitt Romney doesn't. Guess what... One of those two fellas is going to be president in 2012.

[-] 2 points by sqrltyler (207) 2 years ago

That's the problem Freedom2B. Neither of those puppets will represent us.

[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

True.

[-] 2 points by Freedom2B (23) 2 years ago

And of those two candidates, Obama is more likable. Romney will lose, Barack will be reelected and our country will be completely deadlocked for another four years. It will be the Carter years multiplied by 10.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Do you think any of the Republicans running would help our situation at all?

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

SwissMiss, look at Switzerland and the triple prime minister system as an example where unemployment has been 2.8% in 2011.

There is no incentive for either Democratic or Republican to work with OWS because they each are perceived as having a 50/50 chance of winning.

All around the USA, independent's and third parties' ideas are being censored and ignored because of plurality elections and single winner districts.

And women in particular are also being under-represented in single-winner districts. Two-member districts (like prez/vp) allow for gender balance being mathematically guaranteed, when the ranked choice system is used, because when 2/3rds of the voters alternate genders, then the results are guaranteed to be the top ranked female and the top ranked male (or visa versa), in that two-member district under ranked choice voting.

Only through the Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system (similar to Switzerland's), where 1/1001ths (or .999%), plus one vote, elects each of the 1000 names in consecutive order will you get a smooth running team where all parties and independents agree and are willing to work together.

MSP (MSP=member of super-state parliament) Robert N. Davis [Independent] for US Senate of New York, and member of the New York Super-state Parliament (ss2) is one example of a person who returns phone calls, who can think clearly on his feet when presented with such a mathematical equation, and who wants to work with OWS as a team.

http://www.usparliament.org/ss2.php

We need more cool people who understand pure proportional representation (PR) like Hon MSP Davis [Independent] who aren't going to twiddle their thumbs and view this voting system as just a "distraction", but an opportunity to organize a peaceful, harmonious and orderly revolution.

Be sure to click on the link above and then click on his name to keep up with his campaign. And if you want to be one of 100 members of the NY super-state parliament (or any of the twelve population balanced super-states, which is made up of states and groups of states for population balancing purposes), simply sign up your name on the US Parliament's web site.

And feel free to post here or contact me at 415-686-1996 if/when you have any questions, suggestions or corrections about the American parliament operation.

--James Ogle [Free Parliamentary]

Volunteer Web Page Maintainer and Vote Counter, Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Thanks for the example. My reply was to Freedom2B.... their comment about Obama specifically. My comment was about how neither party has fixed things. Maybe I read the comment wrongly, but I take it as they are blaming Obama for things being deadlocked. What I'm saying is that Republicans don't have a healthy track record for fixing anything and make things much worse than Dems do.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Bill Clinton's civil rights record, esp. per the ACLU, was seriously dismal.

Obama had ~ two years during which his party had control of the Congress, and he was at the helm; the USA PATRIOT ACT was expanded, the FBI paid zero serious consequences for rampant violations of the USA PA's broad parameters, as well as basic civil rights, Mueller was later reinstated, the TARP marched forth (after being hatched by GW), and more nauseus stuff than any freedom-loving person cares to digest.

BOTH primary parties engage in satisfying their own chapters or groups of the Oligarchy, in my opinion, with sufficient facts to prove it.

Thge D's raised Holy Hell about the R's USA PA... Right up 'til they were in charge. Then suddenly it was again a matter of Nat'l Security. Necessary. Just ask 'em..

Their real gripe was that the other team had the power at the time that the extra-legal 'privledges' were granted, making it more a battle of Partisan Supremacy' than a matter of adherence to ther BIll of Rights, moral vs. amoral, righteous vs. unrighteous, or anything substantive.

If ever there was a year to vote 'None of the Above,' at least in re. to the two primary parties, this year is it.

Now all that needs to be done is to convince Ma and Pa America of this, in order to actually have a meaningful impact...

Of course, you know that old cliche'; "if voting actually changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

This -ought- to be the year to try to seriously change that quasi-truth.

Take care,

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

I agree with you. In fact, the system I'm promoting is really great for breaking the deadlock and fixing things, because as quickly as literally scores and scores of alternatives can be nominated and ranked with #1, #2, #3, #4, etc., is how quick that the majority (50% plus one vote) can agree on the multiple ranked solutions, with the highest ranked ones taking priority. And it doesn't take a long time to rank multiple alternatives, it takes only a few minutes.

When the ballots are ranked correctly (and the incorrectly* ranked ballots are marked "spoiled"), you just average the numbers on all the correctly ranked ballots using algebra.

When that system is applied to electing names, you also get more alternative candidates elected like independents, greens, libertarians, socialists, constitutionalists, etc.

The big problem is that the ranked voting isn't being taught and because it's based on algebra, a lot of people say that it's too complicated. It's not complicated, but you must use consecutively ranked numbers beginning with the number one, or you're not doing it right.

So then we can all work together, democratic and republican too, as well as all the creative named third parties and independents.

The party name (or independent) is just a label we use by the candidates' names to give the voters more information besides a name when the voter is in the voting booth and about to vote.

*a ballot is incorrectly marked when any character other than consecutively ranked numbers beginning with the number one is used.

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

Nobody can predict the future. When all Americans unite, nobody can stop our team. So you have to make it so, but not through plurality elections. I'm writing about all parties and independents working together as one. The promise of democracy.

http://www.usparliament.org

[-] 1 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

I signed up to the Wolf-PAC. The 8th USA Parliament looks forward to working with you. We need to integrate our efforts into a coordinated team.

--James Ogle [Free Parliamentary] 415-686-1996

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

I have an idea: how about have teach-ins every now and again? They could be at different venues--big names, smaller names, to teach us stuff we need to know. Activism skills and the like.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Good idea.

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

How about 1000 names as 1000 equals?

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

But, some of us know more.

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

Only a few actually know Moore. ;)

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[-] 1 points by therock (30) from Altona, NY 2 years ago

How was the council elected? I've read about some opposition. This might be a development that needs to be clearly explained. I know accountability and transparency is the name of a working group in our town. How about yous?

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

The 8th USA Parliament has used the Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system every year since the First USA Parliament was elected on August 5th, 1995.

We welcome your efforts, your name and your votes, and we're eager for improvements.

http://www.usparliament.org

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[-] 0 points by JohnnyO (119) 2 years ago

Any refreshments being served? Wagyu beef sliders maybe?

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[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 2 years ago

going to talk about the 1/2 a million dollars in donations you have collected?

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

The funds were collected via donations.... meaning people VOLUNTEERED to donate money. They weren't collected by force, via taxes, via forcing someone into slave labor, etc. It's a great example of people helping each other and being community-oriented. How is donating money to the movement for food and other resources any different than you or I donating clothing to a homeless shelter, food to a local food bank, money to a charity, money to a school, money to a church, etc.? Do you complain to those who donate money to their churches every Sunday?

You have a problem with THAT?

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Perhaps there is no difference at all. I give to a church, officially organized as a non profit organization and they issue quarterly and annual reports of every dollar or large donation (boat, etc) that I may choose to donate, as well as annual reports as a non-profit. Hope you do the same.

[-] 1 points by entarage (36) from New York, NY 2 years ago

we put out a financial statement online. google it.

[-] 0 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

Or use the parliament's search engine http://www.gonott.com and gonott the statement. GoNott advertise, gonott seach and use our system gonott for profit!

[-] 0 points by nikka (228) 2 years ago

Latest figures put it closer to $700,000

[-] 0 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

The funds were collected via donations.... meaning people VOLUNTEERED to donate money. They weren't collected by force, via taxes, via forcing someone into slave labor, etc. It's a great example of people helping each other and being community-oriented. How is donating money to the movement for food and other resources any different than you or I donating clothing to a homeless shelter, food to a local food bank, money to a charity, money to a school, money to a church, etc.? Do you complain to those who donate money to their churches every Sunday?

You have a problem with THAT?

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

No problem at all. Just expect that you meet all the requirements that my church does for receipt, control, and use of the money including itemized listing of all moneys of good that I donate and the appropriate summary report back to the congregation and the state as required by law. No problem at all.

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[-] 0 points by CoffeeKicked (12) 2 years ago

What happened to your ONE voice ONE vote?

Hypocrites!

[-] 1 points by BethesdaMD (25) 2 years ago

People are waking up and realizing that our world needs much more cooperation to stay alive. If we continue with the current political regime, it will lead to the demise of our democratic society, our education, and our earth. Indeed, we do not live in a one voice one vote society....instead its a 1,000,000$ to one vote society. Its all over the world, and people are ready to reset democratic society by asking them to leave. Peacefully.

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[-] -1 points by bobby (58) from Quincy, CA 2 years ago

Our team is too small and we're going too slow.

If this battle were compared to the allies landing on Normandy Beach on June 6th, 1945, at current pace Battle of the Bulge is not expected for 175,000 years in the future.

The two-party system is like the bunkers on the cliffs above, and from behind the concrete walls they're spraying us with cannon. Many are dead in the water which is red with our blood and green like green tea with our uniforms. We're shell-shocked, blinded, and our numbers are rapidly diminishing.

To get past the bunkers, we must coordinate and work together as a team. Our three prime ministers and two secretaries are the team leaders who are like "bunker specialists", and are rotated in and out like five basketball players. When one gets tired another is elected and rotated in by the 100 members, who are like 100 basketball coaches.

We have a center, and a left and right wing. On January 1st, 2012, we'll be expanding the operation to 1000 names on the national, and all three wings must be coordinated, as we approach to cliffs and push forward past the first bunkers.

Don't forget to self-nominate your name to the team. As one of the 1000 elected members, your name will be one of the 1000 coaches in 2012, and you'll be able to vote as one coach for the three prime ministers, two secretaries and one set of rules.

The biggest majority to elect the rules is called the "ruling coalition".

To learn more, visit the 8th USA Parliament's site:

http://www.usparliament.org

Once you sign up your name/avatar/anonymous with any of the twelve super-states and categorized under the party/category of your choice, you'll automatically receive one follow-up message with more details.

On 1/1/2012 we start all over, and we'll be expanding the national team from 100 to 1000. Nominations are from 2/1/2012 to 3/31/2012. Our election runs from 4/20/2012 to 8/5/2012, and then we'll be finished electing our team of 1000, the 9th USA Parliament, approximately 90 days before the "real elections", the first Tuesday of November.

All 1000 elected names then serve for four years, and the members of parliament (MPs) continue their votes of confidence through their terms.

Should any name die or stand down, the cast ballots kept as proof for your validation and verification are counted again and the next name is automatically elected in their stead. You may own one copy of the stack of ballots cast yourself, as long as you pay the cost of printing your edition.

If you subscribe to the monthly bulletin when asked on the robo-message as you sign up, then you'll receive regular updates. That way you can stay more informed about the team.

We're like a voter registration drive too, where the federal voter registration form is distributed simultaneously with our single parliamentary ballot, so every voter can participate on both elections, the 8th USA Parliament election of 2012 and the election of a president in 2012 in the "real" elections.

[-] -1 points by JimGordon (-2) 2 years ago

I'm sorry - maybe its because I'm just one of the 53% of those who actually contribute to society - but I just don't understand this "movement".

If you're against "Corporate Greed" - stop patronizing corporations (no Mcdonald's/iPads/Starbucks etc.)

If you're upset about your student loan(s) - protest your school and their ridiculous tution rates (not the bank(s) who loaned you the money and YOU agreed to pay back)

If you don't like "capitalism", move to Cuba. Or Russia. Or China. Or ANYWHERE else where your protests will be welcomed with open arms.

I just don't see how a bunch of (mostly) well-off white kids camping out in public places - whining about the 1% (who pay over 90% of the taxes) or damaging property (or sexual assaults/drug abuse/deficating in public) is going to solve anything.

Someone please help me. Really. Don't just spout out a bunch of nonsense about THE MAN or platitudes about GREED and MONEY. You are losing the majority of Americans in public opinion polls.

[-] 2 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 2 years ago

The main reason I support OWS is to get money out of politics. Do you see how corporate/lobbyist bribes to politicians are bad for everyone?

You say only 53% "contribute to society"? What does that mean - you pay federal taxes? That statement is pretty insulting. I pay lots of taxes but I don't think constitutes "contributing to society".

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

1) The 53% = total myth, 100% of Americans pay taxes, and they contribute, even the poor, even the homeless, even the unemployed, 100%.

2) No one is saying all corporations are evil. There is no need to boycott apple. But many corporations are irresponsible, reckless, problem gamblers, and they need to be reigned in.

3) Not all of the Occupy Movement endorses Student Loan clemency. Though many do. I do. education is a basic human right, and no one should be economically and psychologically coerced into selling themselves into slavery just to get an education.

4) Americans cannot "move to Cuba" or "move to (Mainland) China" on a permanent basis without cutting themselves off from their families forever. And they cannot move to Russia unless they have proof of independent wealth (i.e. unless they are 1%ers).

5) (a) OWS isn't mostly "well-off" "white kids." (b) not everyone who disagrees with you is "whining", (c) where is your concern for how Corporate greed is ruining the ecosystem of the planet? Or do you value "property" over, say breathable air?

6) We're not "losing the majority". We have not even begun to wake people up yet. And no one is spouting platitudes about "the man" lol, this is not 1969. We all know what Goldman Sachs is doing to this country, and we are going to stop it. Educate yourself, join us, or get the F@ck out of the way.

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[-] -2 points by JimGordon (-2) 2 years ago

I'm sorry - maybe its because I'm just one of the 53% of those who actually contribute to society - but I just don't understand this "movement".

If you're against "Corporate Greed" - stop patronizing corporations (no Mcdonald's/iPads/Starbucks etc.)

If you're upset about your student loan(s) - protest your school and their ridiculous tution rates (not the bank(s) who loaned you the money and YOU agreed to pay back)

If you don't like "capitalism", move to Cuba. Or Russia. Or China. Or ANYWHERE else where your protests will be welcomed with open arms.

I just don't see how a bunch of (mostly) well-off white kids camping out in public places - whining about the 1% (who pay over 90% of the taxes) or damaging property (or sexual assaults/drug abuse/deficating in public) is going to solve anything.

Someone please help me. Really. Don't just spout out a bunch of nonsense about THE MAN or platitudes about GREED and MONEY. You are losing the majority of Americans in public opinion polls.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Spamming are we Jim? Bruce would disapprove.

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