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Save Our Post Offices

Posted 5 years ago on July 1, 2012, 3:29 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

March carrying Occupy the Post Office banner

The Community Labor Coalition to Save Postal Jobs & Services of SF takes it to the streets to save Civic Center PO

Article by Patricia Jackson for IndyBay; for photos and more info, check the original post.

Wednesday, June 27, we held a rally, march, and occupy of the Civic Center Post Office which serves many of the city’s homeless. We gathered in solidarity to support the national June 25-28 Hunger Strike by postal workers in Washington DC. This movement is growing across the country to stop threats of eliminating 220,000 living-wage jobs and closing 3,700 post offices including four in S.F. The majority of post offices threatened are in poor neighborhoods and rural areas.

These job-cutting, service-slashing ideas affect people who depend on deliveries of medications, social security, and pension checks. Though we live in a digital communication society, the arrival of our mail is the only communication in the country that reaches everyone 6 days a week. This service is a public resource and these measures are steps toward privatization.

Why is this public institution since 1792 in danger? In 2006, Congress manufactured a “budget crisis” through the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act which forced the United States Postal Service to pre-fund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years. This jeopardized USPS with a $20 billion debt. No other government or private corporation is required to do this.

The rally at the Federal Building kicked off with speakers from the coalition including, postal workers, labor and community groups, Occupy Oakland and Occupy SF. Coalition member, Michael of SF Gray Panthers spoke of the effects on seniors and the importance of keeping these good wage jobs traditionally held by people of color. Anne from Living Wage told of the necessity of keeping the PO open for folks to receive Social Security checks. Angela, a postal carrier asked what can congress be thinking by allowing the lay off of 220,000 people. There are already hundreds of thousands of workers already unemployed and many have run out of unemployment!

Gary of the Union of Unemployed Workers, called for organizing the unemployed. The organization will have a march July 11 at noon from Oscar Grant Plaza to the Oakland unemployment office. Unionofunemployedworkers [at] gmail.com

After the rally, people marched through UN Plaza, took the street and continued to the Civic Center PO chanting; The 1% full of greed Don’t’ let them take away what the people need!

Whose Post Office? Our Post Office!
No Closures No Cuts No Ifs’ ands’ or buts’!
Our Post Office is a People’s Institution It’s been around since the Constitution!

The entire protest reached the Civic Center PO and occupied it! We continued chanting and listening to people talk of saving the post office. Dave sang us his song, “Mr. Postman” “Mr. Postman, don’t go away, you walk down every street in the USA.” All then walked outside to continue protesting. With our show of determination and power, we can keep this post office, and all others open to keep serving the public. And we will be back!”

Build a nationwide movement! Defeat privatization! Keep living-wage jobs! Keep Saturday Delivery!

march carrying large Save Our Post Office banner



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[-] 10 points by beautifulworld (22876) 5 years ago

This has been a targeted effort to privatize the postal service. Congress passed a bill to force the post office to fund it's pensions for a ridiculous 75 years into the future. Meanwhile most corporate pensions as well as other public pensions are, in fact, underfunded. They are not even funded enough to cover their current pensions. The cost of this requirement has the post office on it's knees while capitalists salivate at the thought of the profits that can be made through privatization. Look out, education, transportation and a host of other things are next on the list.

Sad thing is, 50, 75 years from now the only elderly folks who will have any money will be retired postal workers.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago


Let's keep the USPS public!!

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago
[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago
[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Labor day & Postal banking. Perfect together.



[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago


[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Public bank update/Action


Truly a blow against big 1% corp banks and a benefit to working families and banking customers.

FYI, & abump

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 4 years ago

Signed. Agree. We live in a rural community, with a Post Office and no bank. Nearest bank is 25 miles away.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Knew I could rely on you.


[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Postal banking history

"As the debate over reinstituting postal banking heats up, we should know we had it. And it worked."


For your reading pleasure.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 3 years ago

Good article. Postal Banking worked so well.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Successfully implementing this will help millions of working families.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 3 years ago

Agree. Would also protect the USPS from those in government and corporations, that want to destroy it.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Especially the thousands of families who will benefit from new Postal banking (good paying union) jobs.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Turning the mail service into a bank could be one of the strangest ideas I have heard in a long long time.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago
[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Public banking popularity is growing because we (& other progressive groups) are protesting, and pressuring all pols for change.


Keep up the fight

[-] -3 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Dont confuse public banking with allowing the post service to gouge the poor.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Millions of decent working families depend on this critical service that the people cannot live without.


Retire ALL pols against the post office.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 years ago

Would accepting money from the direct competitor be considered against it?

I know some of you have a hard time tying the money to politics, so here you go:


Keep in mind UPS is a very active board member of ALEC as well.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

So then you do not support : expanding post office services?

Increasing govt employment?

Creating public competition for private banksters?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 years ago

You are confusing something like the the state owned bank in North Dakota with the post office gouging people at less of a rate.

I;ve explained this to you about 10 times now, with various links and stats, some from the post office itself.

Don't let desperation lead to lesser of two evils thinking, which is what gouging people via the post office is. Fucking them over is still fucking them over, even it its at less of a rate. We should be setting the bar higher than that.

As far as the vague "increasing govt employment" go for it, see where that gets ya.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

I'm not confused I do not support/suggest any sort of gauging/fucking over.

Your description of what Post office expansion means is unfounded & illustrates your slanted opinion.

I do not submit to your definition of what I support.

Public Banking competition (thru Post office) will increase employment & allow lower income working people to keep more of their money.

Your comments are dishonest & designed to confuse with straw man args.


[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 years ago

They aren't my comments Einstein, they are the Post Office's


If you want to be all gungho on charging people $25 up front and then gouging them on the payback still, go for it. Great plan. Lets get the post office into the payday loan business, wonderful.

Is there anything your favorite politicians could endorse that you wouldn't become an automatic robot supporter of?

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

The Post office said they will "gauge & fuck over people"?

No. Those were your comments.

The details of costs will be worked out fine (People must make sure) and as a result the public banking services WILL SAVE users lotsa money, & create good paying union jobs!!

Yeah baby!!!!

That's what I'm talkin about!

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 years ago

Actually you have no clue what you are talking about, as you are simply parroting the lines of a few politicians instead of reading the actual text and thinking to yourself is this actually makes sense, both operationally and financially.

Obviously the post office isn't going to say that, otherwise upper middle class citizens such as yourself who are completely removed from anyone who actually has used a payday loan recently, might start to think a bit if this is actually an improvement or simply an extension of whats already going on.

No one has really given any of this much thought, so its probably not going to happen.

The fact that something like this can be put out there and even humored is quite telling.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

Well "payday loans, & check cashing places" need to be put out of business so clearly we can utilize a Post Office Banking effort to acheive just that.

Whatever "plan" exists is simply the starting point. There are other financial services we are going to target.

The Banksters will never know what hit 'em.

I think in fact cluelessness is your misfortune. We just have to persevere over the banksters puppet mouthpieces who oppose this obviously better model for people.

Not so good for banksters

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 years ago

Actually, if you read that piece, the very stuff you are claiming to defend, you would see that the post office already talked about having to partner with financial institutions to do this due to a variety of factors.

If you support public banking, Im with ya. This is not that, and structurally would not be able to be "transformed" into it either.

Why would they choose such a shitty position as a starting point? And yes, I'm sure once all the competition has been put out of business, your magical government wont bring the hammer down (with the partnership of somoene probably like Wells Fargo) on the top of the poors head all over again.

Please read the whitepaper if you really want to discuss this.

And if you like public banking, check out: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Farid-Khavari-for-Florida-Governor/221168051396911

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

I ain't married to this particular plan. I post it for discussion.

The final law WILL serve the people, because we will agitate for the right plan.

We must be involved to get the right changes & to maintain the new system.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

No confusion here. Are you confused? Are you trying to confuse the issue? Do you need confusion to muddy the issue?

I'm against gauging people thru banking services, as such we MUST implement a public option banking system (Post office?) to provide real competion to the corrupt, (gauging) private banksters.

Current info that might help you appreciate the issue.



Protest, Vote! Repeat!

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

The planet disagrees


Ain'tcha never got a money order from P.O.?

Be better check cashing than current gauging places in poor areas.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Right, most of those pics only confirm that its simply another arm of the central banking systems of those countries.

The comment below it might be on point "Isn't this what credit unions were created for?"

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

A public option to the criminal private banks is imperative if we are to break the grip those banksters have over us.

Post office is a viable option that has growing support.

Credit unions provide more banking services than P.O. banking might provide. So they would serve a different need while both providing competition for banksters.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

The post office would simply be an arm of one of the big five, they have no plans on actually becoming a full fledged bank, this is simply about offering banking services. Thats why its ridiculous to me. If its all ran through JP MorganCHASe at then end of the day, what changes?

WellsFargo owns Amscott, they arent going to undercut each other and destroy what is a great profit center for them.

Personally Id forget about putting the post office into this banking mess and stick with the credit unions.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Just removing the 'check cashing' places in the city (where banks have fled) will save working class people hundreds of dollars a year.

And no, it would not be related to private banks.

Private banks are against this proposal because they don't wanna lose the numerous fee rich low income customers they currently squeeze.

So you are absolutely wrong.

Maybe you are against P.O. banking for the same reason?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

So the central banks run all the other post office banking services on the planet (as shown in the link you provided) but here they will simply let them do their own thing? Really?

And sorry, but the post office is not going to start opening up all sorts of locations to cash checks in certain neighborhoods. Expansion of facilities is not on the agenda.

International/domestic shipping is a tricky enough industry without adding another completely different business model under the same roof. Theres a reason the central banks run all the post office banking in the countries your link mentioned.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

No real need to expand. That is the attraction boss.

They already exist in the places banks have fled. (leaving the high cost 'check cashing' joints)

And no we are not proposing a system that is controlled by private banksters.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I understand what you are proposing. Im saying thats not how its going to go, and it hasnt gone that way in any of the countries you listed for a reason, its a completely different business model.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about with the locations? Google how many post offices are in your city, and then how many of the big five banks are in town, and then how many check cashing centers there are. The post office is severely outnumbered, has no advantage in that area.

What are the rates the USPS is proposing to cash people's checks anyways? Do we even have any numbers on this?

I just get tired of seeing some idea put out there and everyone jumps like lemmings at it. Like the solar roadways thing from a few weeks ago. Jesus, we cant even get them on our roofs but now we are going to build roads out of them?


[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I already seen all the numbers and this proposal WILL help working class people, and hurt the criminal private banks.

Your made up objections are not based in reality but solely on your desire to protect the status quo for the private wall st banksters?

I guess your allowed. You're certainly not alone.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Your spinning out of control, slow down.

There is no real plan, this is just something that someone put out there and now reactionary fools from one side of the internet to the other are backing it with no details whatsoever, no financial analysis, nothing.

Just lets make the post office a bank! Yaaahh!!

Please show me those numbers you are speaking of.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Find your own numbers you bankster mouthpiece.

Educate yourself before you venture beyond your brainless bashing routine.



[-] -3 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Wow, that was a pretty horrible article. 25% interest on payday loans is what you are proposing? Plus a $25 upfront fee.

Have fun continuing to pillage people.

Finding articles to back up your articles is not your strong suit. You are now 0-2. Toss another one up here and lets call it a night.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago


"the proposed Postal Card would cost users less than half what they pay for prepaid cards now, and Postal Loans would cost them less than one-tenth the cost of a payday loan, a substantial savings for the poor."

You spew lies as easily as you bash for distraction

So you don't support those high fees? Or you simply see some bashing potential?

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 years ago

"..Republicans could be shamed into supporting postal banking"

"It would free the poor from the exploitation of payday lenders, shore up the Postal Service, and not cost taxpayers a dime. "


Is this partisan?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

The postal commons is still a very real issue.

Last Christmas, they proved themselves more efficient than FedEx and UPS.

So much for privatization.




[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

This labor issue continues, in spite of those among us who disagree.


Indeed, in spite of those among us won't truly discuss labor issues

[-] 3 points by reeblite1 (4) 5 years ago

to US occupy members....protesting creates awareness outside the system, why not finding people from within occupy wall street to run for local offices, from city council, to mayor, to state representative, to attorney general to governor, to work inside the system, for true change? the single act of voting is what makes us a democracy and a tool to eliminate tea party constituents who are passing facist laws at the state level, successfully taking away our civil liberties. time to fight back at a true level of competency??? the democratic party will back your candidates in a heart beat. i don't get the resistance to true change. i love the idea of non profit banking, and doing things on your own, but the only true change is through changing legislation power and rules, which can be achieved by occupy wall street candidates, getting them elected into the system. do you simply find this too boring or too challenging? if the tea party could be so successful, just think how successful intelligent, caring people could be. the democrats are begging for candidates to come out and run, and are surprised it hasn't happened. hope stating a belief is considered rule breaking here. i support occupy phoenix, but thought you were also actively political, not simply protestors. if you are, i'm truly disappointed, being a protestor from the sixties, we had great candidates run for office for change. we need you. we want you, we're begging for you to run for office. you'll truly make a difference.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Good Post


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Let's not forget, this effort is on going.

Here's another point of view.


Aren't they always the first to get screwed by the neolibe(R)tarians?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago


Because the anti-union coalition attacked me to drive down the truth.

See the link in the above posting.

[-] 2 points by CTFreethinker (4) 5 years ago

Small observation--Social Security no longer mails checks. It is either direct deposit or, if someone does not have a bank account, an EBT card (like the ones used for food stamps).

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 5 years ago

Actually there are hundreds of thousands of people who continue to receive paper checks from SS via the USPS. There are hundreds of thousands who receive Workmens Compensation checks the same way. There are millions of people who receive their monthly utility bills via the USPS. Many of those people have no desire to change this, in the instance of WC the companies have no desire to change this.

Get ride of the prefunding of the pensions of the unborn, prehired and the post office will not only be operating at standard but profitable.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

I belive when Clinton was president.The goverment tried to force social security recipiants into direct deposite.There was a huge out cry.At that time many of the people alive had lived through the depression.And did not trust the banks.It did not go through at that time.It is very hard to live by cash today.The cost of cashing a check today are prohibative unless you want to use Walmart.I will never use Walmart.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Maybe they should go backwards like the union and liberals would prefer and end all electronic payments. Maybe we could all be taxed for email and that money too could go to help the Post Office avoid change.

[-] 3 points by PandoraK (1678) 5 years ago

Nice and snarky eh?

I simply point out a few facts and you respond with this? Come on now, that's now a attempt at discussion, it's an attempt at an argument.

The problem with the USPS is obvious to us all, it's the mandate to fund the pension plan 75 years in advance. It was obvious when it was enacted and an attempt to weaken the USPS as a service thus opening the area to private enterprise.

Daily we are shown that the internet is not secure, can not be made secure, yet millions entrust everything from finances to the most personal information to it.

Do you know the single most important event of the day for our military personnel, especially those over seas, is mail call? Do you know that the birthday dollar (or five) slipped into a birthday card lights up the world for a 5 year old? What private corporation could do this for 47 cents?

[-] 0 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Defending the Post Office's email denial is a loser position. Volumes continue to fall and that's an objective fact. Come on, pick something else to be in favor of. It just validates the easy criticisms of liberals and unions that they'll support anything, no matter how absurd, as long as the money can be borrowed or comes out of someone else's pocket.

Congress for once got it right heading off the Post Office and the union piling up obligations for the taxpayers down the road. It shortens their denial run-way and that's a good thing. I'm shocked Congress would have the foresight.

Troops and 5 year olds? That's now the pitch for ignoring email? That's why even Saturday delivery is untouchable? That's why rural places require a truck pass their houses every day for eternity? That's just silly.

The Post Office needs to change. Saturday delivery should be cancelled right away. Many rural places should be dropped back to once a week (or less). They should explore joint shipments and perhaps mail staging so that private shipments and mail could be co-delivered.

I used to live in a rural place. Our mailbox alone was 7 miles off a highway and town was 35 miles away. Yet to this day, a truck comes out and drives past that house every day, even if the mail is junk. That's beyond inefficient, that's just stupid. But as long as it's seen as someone else's dime, it goes on. The shameless union would protest change even if the truck delivered nothing.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 5 years ago

Yep, snarky.

Some things are just worth it.

I'm not talking about the unions, they didn't mandate the 75 year pension fund, talk to Congress about that one.

Just because you are computer literate doesn't mean the entire country is, there's something about a handwritten letter that is just more meaningful than a hastily dashed off email.

By the way, you do realize that the rural carriers are not USPS employees don't you? They are contract carriers, meaning they are self employed.

It appears you feel two things are necessary for the USPS to do, 1. eliminate the union 2. end rural delivery.

I am so very glad you only have the one vote the same as the rest of us do.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

No, change as the world changes. Just because some people don't use email doesn't mean running the Post Office utterly unaltered for all eternity. Non-email users can certainly manage with something less than 6 day service.

At this point, the Post Office should've already stopped Saturday deliveries and further curtailed service in rural areas. They should've already made important changes to distribution and routing centers. But they've done none of it. They're already way behind.

It's more than just the unions and liberals that resist change. Pork barrel politicians do too. A Post Office could be down to almost nothing and if the local Congressman can get the rest of the country to pay to keep it open, he or she will. It isn't about the merit of the Post Office, it's about sticking someone else with the bill. And as long as they can do that, they don't give a damn about doing what's sensible.

The pension funding just keeps us from later holding the bag as the need for the Post Office continues to shrink. They'd happily continue to run up the promises and extend their time of inaction. Thankfully, Congress acted to prevent at least that part of the coming bailout.

Again, it's just such a ridiculous thing to defend. Find something else. But like I've written, maybe we're just lucky they don't still use horses because people like you would argue against trucks too.

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 5 years ago

LOL! "people like you would argue against trucks"

I owned a trucking company. LOL

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Think of all those poor carters you put out of work! Job-killer, that's what you are, a heartless job killer!

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 5 years ago

Funny, I hired them to drive my trucks, load and unload them, wash them, maintain them...I'd say it more than balanced in their favor.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

That's just so insensitive. Sure, you're there to offer them a few crumbs after crushing their livelihoods. Using horses and carts used far more labor than your greedy profit seeking trucking business. I just can't figure out who is worse, people like you or the people that invented email. Trucks are wrong and email is wrong.

Waste: something liberals and unions are fine with as long as it's someone else's money.

The good news is that government can now bring this same approach of denying change and progress to healthcare.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

indeed, we hardly need bankers

[-] -3 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Maybe they should. This whole progress thing is reducing mail volumes and is threatening good union jobs. In fact, social security should pay daily and that would create even more jobs. LOL. I'm surprised the unions don't pitch this idea.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 5 years ago

Contact your representatives !

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

Anyone upset that Bush was not able to hand over there Social Security to Wall st.. like he wanted.Remind that old conservative fart about that next time you have a heart to heart with em.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

No stock market casino for SS.

Fuck that Noise.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 5 years ago

One word. Constitution!

[-] 1 points by ponchovilla (16) 5 years ago

Sorry. All done saving. Have no more resources to give. We're just flat out of everything.

[-] 1 points by CTFreethinker (4) 5 years ago

My comment re Social Security was based on the letter I received from the Social Security Administration earlier this year that the 2 options I mentioned were to be the only ones as of this year. It may not have been fully implemented as yet, but that's the direction the SSA is planning to go.



[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 5 years ago

Are you claiming that the post office will not longer deliver medications, social security, and pension checks to some people?

I find that hard to believe.

[-] -1 points by caseman (-24) 5 years ago

Union, email, and online bill paying is what is killing the post office. USPS is no longer needed as in the past and about the only mail I get anymore is junk mail

[-] -2 points by caseman (-24) 5 years ago

Saving our post offices means that they must get rid of the union that is destroying them

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

The GOP attack on the USPS is just about Union Busting!! But you know that. So can your specious justifications for tearing down yet another one of the few remaining great institutions of this country. You righties are a miserable lot.

[-] -2 points by Arbour (-3) 5 years ago

You are on the wrong side of this issue, you need to embrace change. There is a reason why the pony express died off, there is a reason why the postal service is dying off - it's the same reason in both cases - times change......

[-] 4 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

Yes we all need to "embrace" Low wage non benifit employment.Yes we all need to "embrace" Large corporate subsidies.We all need to "embrace'Huge tax rebates for GE.Exxon.etc.While the average tax payer gets hammered.Yes we all need to "ebrace"the idea that education is only for the wealthy.Yes we all need to "embrace"Every single thing we are told by the corporate media and its sponsors.Just keep shoping and do not embrace any ideas that are contrary to what we tell you.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Good Post

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Yes, let's create all sorts of high paying jobs at government expense that accomplish nothing. I suggest we start filling the Pacific Ocean with concrete using, of course, only the best union labor.

[-] 2 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

I would not call a Living wage high pay.And who the fuc- mentioned anything about the goverment.And if thats what it takes to put this country back on it's feet after corporate america Kicked us in the balls, stabed us in the back ,so fuc-ing what scab!

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

It's called progress. Unions and government have an impossible time coping with change, but find something less stupid to argue against besides email.

We'll never put anything back on its feet spending money on jobs we don't need performed with rigid rules that deny change. If you think we will, you move love the filling the Pacific with concrete idea. Say, maybe if we pour enough concrete, we can have a bridge between Hawaii and California. LOL

Fact is, the Post Office and it's union doesn't care how stupid it all is. It's a raw attempt on their part to keep things as they are no matter how idiotic and no matter how wasteful.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

It"s called Revolution when people like you try to fuc- us.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

It's called email and it's reducing mail volume. The union doesn't give a damn. They expect nothing to change even if all the mail went away. Honest to God, find another cause besides the Post Office and email denial. You just look stupid.

Maybe we should count ourselves lucky that at least they don't still cling to horses.

Your revolution needs to send more things via the mail if you expect to help out the squatters at the Post Office. LOL

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

Last I looked it was in the constitution.Fact is that all public services are being sold off and privatized.Possibly because America manufactures very little anymore.In fact the only thing it does manufacture war.And industries that participate must not be offshored.We should reduce all defence and security industries in this country.The conservative propaganda machine would have a fit.God forbid if our tax dollars are spent on something that does not enrich the one percent.Trillions to kill trillions to repress zero for human needs.You are a Scab.And less than human.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

I guess we should consider ourselves thankful that the union doesn't insist on using horses and bicycles. LOL. No doubt, if they could get away with it, they would.

The United States remains the world's largest manufacturer.

The problems you see aren't solved by paying people to accomplish nothing in obsolete government jobs.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

The military $till has active calvery.Why do we pay for three air force$?When was the last time we needed the marine$ to board a ship?Why are we $upporting bank$? How come large corporations$ pay le$$ tax than the average American worker?Are you not concerned ? Who made you the arbitrator of what is ab$olete?I as millons of Americans still use the Po$t Office.I use our national park$ and do not pay an entrance fee yet.They do not make money.I also use highway$.I have yet to see a return on them either.I could go on forever but in the end taking with a $cab is usele$$.There only concern in life i$$$$$.

[-] 0 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

OK, OK, sorry to upset you with the whole email, progress, and change thing. I agree, let's pretend that none of this is happening and send every little mailman a nice post card telling them not to worry about a thing.

Yes, we still are "using the Post Office", but we're USING IT LESS. Really, how about dumping concrete into the Pacific Ocean. Great idea, huh?

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 5 years ago

I use e mail all the time.Am not upset at all by it.Now don't get your panties all knoted up.I just do not like Scabs.I do not care much for greed.or selfish motivations.Do you also have to destroy whats left of the Pacific with concrete.I would think that your oil companies have done enough damage already.I only give the Mailman a card at Christ Mass.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago


[-] -1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

It's called UN and it makes war obsolete.

[-] 0 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 5 years ago

You sure about that?

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Should have said that regarding the USPS.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Maybe they can just convert the Post Offices to museums of the age before email. Why not just have a general protest against progress?

What is it about government, unions, and change? It's email and it's reducing volumes, no shit things should change. But liberals are opposed. Unions are opposed. Pork barreling politicians are opposed. They love the environment, yet would have us drive empty trucks around the country for eternity just to resist the obvious. Good thing they gave up horses before the union came along.

Don't worry, they'll do better with healthcare. LOL.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Disgusting RW Crab Mentality!

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Go mail something. Give a mailman something to do.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Why don't you go to Walmart and help your RW psychos kill the middleclass!

[-] 0 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 5 years ago

Can I buy stamps there?

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

About the only thing they sell that's still made in America.

[-] -3 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

You don't help the middle class by setting up and defending government jobs that no longer have value. Make work do nothing jobs make us all poorer in the end.

[-] 3 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Those are stupid made-up talking points that have no basis in reality.

Go work for a fucking Labor Ready (idiot), is that the kind of abusive slavery you want?

Unions bring us all UP!!

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Reality? That's a good one. Maybe you should consider it yourself. Oh yeah, tell the union too. Email is sharply reducing Post Office volumes. Dealing with reality means dealing with email. Make work jobs driving around in empty trucks doesn't preserve our standard of living.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Wall Street would flick you like a bug. Maggot!

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

I understand that change can be scary, but email is real and the Post Office should change too.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Tell rural UPS and such commercial inadequacies. Loser.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Don't be afraid. People have always dealt with change. Even the Post Office can do it. It's going to be OK.

Email is real. Volumes are declining. The need for change is obvious and growing. That's reality.

[-] 3 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

I just got my dearly deceased father's work out clothes by the United States Postal Service from my mom, across the country, for next to nothing. UPS, Fed Ex too expensive!

What's E, What's E, mail got to do with it?

[-] -3 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Great. Email is still real. Volumes are still declining. The Post Office and it's union are still clinging to even Saturday deliveries and plan to go on as though nothing is happening. Typical.

Change. People have managed to cope with it before, and you can do it now. Good thing the buggy whip makers didn't have a union and a connection to the taxpayers.

[-] 3 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 5 years ago

Fuck You! Heartless bastard!

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 5 years ago

Oh, I know. If you think I'm bad, just think about those awful people that invented email. Fucking progress.