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Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 21, 2011, 12:48 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt



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[-] 23 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago


This is a message to the Police, to the military, to the TSA, to Homeland Security and to members of every other enforcement arm of the government.

I know that most of you chose the life in uniform because you love your country; because you believed in what that uniform stood for; because you wanted to serve and protect... but I also know that deep down inside you sense that something has gone terribly wrong.

You've watched with the rest of us as elected officials have incrementally legislated our constitutional rights away, you've watched as the state surveillance apparatus has expanded like a cancer through the heart of the nation, and you've watched as the corruption has become more and more blatant. I can understand why you haven't wanted to acknowledge the implications of what you are witnessing. To face the reality of what is happening would mean admitting that you've been betrayed, and it would mean coming to terms with the fact that you... are working... for criminals.

I don't envy your position. I know your job depends on you following orders. I know you have families to support and bills to pay, and I know that if you stand up you could loose everything... but what you need to understand is that continuing to submit to unconstitutional, and immoral orders will not protect you from what is coming.

You may tell yourself that you will take a draw your line in the sand later, that there is a certain point where you will say no, but in reality, you crossed the line a long time ago. You are standing on the wrong side of history right now. You are already participating in the destruction of this country, in the trampling of our rights, of your children's rights, and grandchildren's rights. You are the enforcement arm of a criminal enterprise, you are a servant of a rapidly expanding police state, and you DO have a choice.

I'm not telling you this to condemn you. I'm telling you this because we the people desperately need you to take a stand. We desperately need you to have the courage to face your commanding officers, and tell them no, I didn't sign up for this. No this isn't right. No, I will not obey these unlawful orders.

You took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Time to start taking that oath seriously

[-] 1 points by red66 (9) 6 years ago

Thomas Jefferson believed that the highest form of patriotism is to challenge and depose a corrupt government. The constitution is a foundation, a strong, sturdy and integral foundation to the building which is America . By the people, for the people. But then again WTC7 had strong foundations and look what happened to it on 911. Keep watch on the constitution, those in the shadows are plotting against it.

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

BRAVO!! We need to print this and start a mass mailing...

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

I've covered this a number of times on this forum, but one more time won't hurt. What if officers that agreed with OWS walked off their posts and joined the movement? Wouldn't that be great! Or not. Then next week, officers at a pro-life rally decide the don't agree with abortion, and walk off their posts. The week after that at a muslim faith rally, the officers decide they don't agree with the muslim religion and abandon their posts - leaving this group to deal with an angry mob of religious fundamentalists. I assume you are ok with all of these things, right? After all, you want officers to follow their hearts when it comes to matters of protesters and public interest issues that they may find themselves encountering during their duties.

Of course not. We expect officers to minimize the impact of their personal beliefs and opinions when it comes to enforcing the law. The officer has the job to protect the rights of citizens, which includes YOUR right to free speech. And that is what they do, until your free speech impinges on someone else's rights - at which time, an action must be taken to return things to balance.

I know you wont' agree with this. You believe that because these issues are so grand, that your right to free speech should trump everyone else's rights. It just doesn't work like that.

In my city, the occupiers have been camping out for months. The have several marches throughout the week. They carry signs, and they chant, and they sing songs. What they don't do is break the law. That is why they have a great relationship with the police, and the arrests have been in the single digits.

[-] 4 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

look at what is happening friendly. peaceful protesters are being subject to police brutality. laws are being made out of thin air to make the protesters unlawful, and to protect police. i understand where you are coming from, but the crackdown on this movement is only to organized. if you read between the lines, you cannot help but see the authoritarian police presence is a complete attack on our constitutional rights. just look at the lack of media coverage. what about the nature of attacks at uc Davis, and uc Berkley. Seattle. a movement of this caliber has barely received two comments from our own president. this movement is HUGE MAN, and no one wants to address it truthfully in the mainstream. occupy wall street is being suppressed, just as our individual rights are being suppressed. it;s time for everyone to WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP!!!!!

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

We are going to disagree here. I hate to burst your bubble, but the movement isn't as big as you might like to think. People see the tents and say "dang, are these people still camping out here?" The media isn't suppressing coverage of occupy, it is delivering the news people want to hear (to keep their ratings up) and people don't want to get an occupy update every day. There are a number of reasons that the machine isn't more threatened by the movement. The crackdown isn't a nationally coordinated movement, though I bet smaller cities are looking to the larger metropolitan areas to see how they are handling their encampments. I'm not trying to be hateful, but the fact of the matter is that most people aren't that interested anymore.

[-] 3 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

well, you go ahead and keep believing what you want to believe. i hope that brings you happiness. whatever you do, at the very least be passionate about something you believe in. if anything, the world needs more passionate people.

peace and respect.

[-] 3 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 6 years ago

I like the civil conversation going on between "nuck1es" and "friendly opposition". I believe that these types of conversations are the most important element of this movement. It's like exercising, we will grow, change and be healthier. As far as Occupy Wall Street goes, the Cat is Now Out of the Bag. How far this goes, how big it gets or doesn't get is up to us to persevere and endure and not settle for injustice. Remember, All media is mortgaged to the limit to the banks, which means that first the banks can get a little cranky if one of the media outlets spin to far against the banks, but, secondly, these media warehouses need to sell enough "news" to make the payments on their mortgages to the banks. "World Out of Order". Like a crazy zen rock star once said, "We're bigger than Lake Erie, and that's just the surface you're seeing". Anyway, I hope we can keep this ball rolling like a snowball, getting bigger and bigger and roll over injustice and have a little bit of fun. I agree- peace and respect.

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

"if anything, the world needs more passionate people."

We can end on something we both agree with.


[-] 2 points by nicky2 (46) 6 years ago

I am 65 years old . i do not say "dang: are these people still camping out here?" I say thank god for these people who know what is going on and are brave enough to fight the pigs and parasites. As we speak, changes are being made and being made rapidly. When I see OWS at work, I feel HOPE. And, I am certainly willing to do my share. There will always be the deniers. Unfortunately some people are so very fearful that they cannot face the truth . And PS: the msm IS VERY MUCH suppressing coverage. They are bought and paid for just like our DISGRACEFUL government.

[-] 1 points by RMeacham (3) 6 years ago

You may be a bit delusional. People love conflict in the news. As the saying goes, if it bleeds it leeds. Those in power control our media. That's why those that are interested in this movement have to get the coverage from lesser known sources such as this one.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Actually, I'm not. Those in power don't control the media as much as the viewers do. You are right - if it bleeds it leads is the mantra for the news. That isn't because of corporate sponsors (directly) it is because of viewers. In most towns, the seediest news channels get the most viewers and therefore the biggest corporate dollars. Since the occupy movement isn't bleeding - its boring - it doesn't make the news. You can't run the same story over and over again for three month "people still in tents" "people still marching" "people getting beat up by police." Incidentally, when that story does run - it ends up being about the police and not whatever the topic of the protest is.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

You are definitely delusional "Those in power don't control the media as much as the viewers do."

Oh Bullshit! How and where do we have input into what the Corporate media covers? Corporations pay them to promote propaganda, whether or not a station gets the most viewers. The propaganda in on all stations 24/7. No one likes the bullshit on the TV or radio, we have no choice but to shut it off. That doesn't appear to interfere with their continuing the propaganda on our public airwaves.

There is plenty to cover about this movement, like the reasons people are mad.

The media could do some investigative reporting, uncover all of the illegal behaviors of Wall Street, Robosigners and other illegal foreclosure practices. In other words, they could do their jobs!

But no, we control the media and we like the lies and diversions. Sure.

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Keep in mind, you are only a very small portion of the 250 million potential viewers. I agree that it is a sad statement - but most people get exactly what they want on TV. That is the true horror of modern society.

Not to get us off track - but a lot of the problem with coverage goes back to a lack of leadership or spokespeople for OWS and a lack of a simple, consistent and clear message. Anyone can walk up to a camera and say "Hey, I'm OWS and here is my message." I know that the movement prides itself on being leaderless and messageless (?), but that is counterproductive when it comes to getting the word out.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

"but most people get exactly what they want on TV"

Most people want to be lied to?

How do they know if they want truth or lies... if lies are all they get?

Most people want their TV media to protect crooks and liars.

Most people want fascist enablers to lie to us meanwhile Congress destroys our Constitution?

[-] 1 points by nate (48) 6 years ago

See here as one example: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/11/cities-conferenced-about-occupy-situation.html

Also, the reason given for evicting the protesters is always the same. It is highly unlikely that officials in hundreds of different cities would cite exactly the same reason independently. It seems more likely to me that, as Mayor Quan admits above, city officials coordinated - and in doing so, identified the reason that would work best of them, and then exploited it.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Or it could be that one Mayor uses that as a reason...and then another Mayor says (independently) "Wow, that worked there...I guess it will work here" and goes with it. That doesn't mean that these cities are taking orders from one central command, there isn't a conspiracy. It is cities that are all dealing with the same issue talking about how they are dealing with it. This is nothing new - every city has a list of cities that are similar to them that they routinely consult with one policies and practices. So what?

[-] 1 points by nate (48) 6 years ago

I don't believe I mention anything about a central command in my comment. What I am saying is that officials who wanted to suppress the protesters in their city coordinated with other like-mind officials from other cities. Not every city has done this. I live in Nashville, TN, for example, which still has an Occupy encampment. But, to address the question "So what?", even if it is local government, it still constitutes government suppression.

What is interesting, in light of this, is the flurry of lawsuits that have been filed from coast to coast against cities that decided on forceful evictions - and more are on the way. It seems it was one thing for officials to keep pushing until they found a judge to give the ruling they desired (Bloomberg, for example, went through three) - but I think it will be interesting seeing what, if anything, can be done when so many lawyers are approaching various charges by individuals, and from different angles. Some examples of charges being: bodily harm, mistreatment and neglect, excessive detention, and fines exceeding city protocols. Also there are grounds relating to the infringement of First and Fourth Amendment rights. Additionally, individual protesters may have the names of officers who assaulted them, so that they may wish to sue officers instead of the city. At any rate, the city officials will likely put the burden of expense for these inexcusable actions onto taxpayers, or they will be making deeper budget cuts during already difficult times.

On top of this, the police attacks have given both gravitas and power to this protest movement. Gravitas, because the protesters can now be certain that they are striking a nerve. Power, because the police attacks caught the attention of more radically-mind individuals who are willing to endure hardship and struggle.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

You're right, you didn't mention a central coordinating point - I also agree that cities talked about their particular occupiers and what they planned to do about it? It is normal business to see how other cities are handling different problems. Why is this even a topic of discussion?

As far as lawsuits go - that is the oldest tactic in the book for raising money. Every city knows that protesters use lawsuits to raise money for their next big protest. Any town that has hosted an DNC/RNC, G20 or G8 or NAFTA summit or any other event that has drawn a large group of disruptive protesters is used to getting sued. And as far as passing on the burden to the taxpayers - that is the governments primary source of funding, so the money has to come from somewhere.

You're last paragraph is just silly. I have nothing to add to that.

[-] 1 points by Joe4more (165) from Cranston, RI 6 years ago

You couldn't be further from the truth. Just today on cable news, I was watching the Gov. of Iowa, he referred to the ows movement as "Occupia's". They were mentioned in the context of how the GOP tax cut fiasco played into the theme of the protesters!

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Congrats. You got a mention by the Gov. of Iowa.

[-] 1 points by Joe4more (165) from Cranston, RI 6 years ago

you missed my point, but I feel that was your objective.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

"the movement isn't as big as you might like to think...There are a number of reasons that the machine isn't more threatened by the movement...."

Why does it appear there are more paid corporate posters that Occupy protesters here?

If the movement is so insignificant, why are there so many people here trying to shut down our discussions?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

I'm not corporate - and I'm not occupy. Those aren't the only two groups in the mix here.

I don't come here to shut down any discussions, in fact, I want to encourage discussions because I enjoy the opportunity to engage with people on the big issues.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

There are so many of you just here for friendly discussions NOT!

People that do not understand the movement have not been paying attention to what has been going on for ten years, have no empathy for their fellow Americans being screwed out of their homes,jobs and retirements by the 1%, are sadistic cowards like Glenn Beck and the NYPD, and/or have their head so far up their ass they believe the corporate media.

These are not the open minded type that venture to websites encouraging discussions.

Which one are you?

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

I am not in the top 1% of wealth. So that makes me part of the other 99%. I also understand some parts of the movement quite well, and I agree with much of what I understand.

It looks like my options are to agree with OWS and go pitch a tent, or I can be a sadistic coward with my head up my ass. Great summary. Wouldn't it be nice if the world could be so neatly divided. Unfortunately, reality isn't like that.

I'm neither. I'm an educated, middle class American who thinks that corporate money should be removed from politics (one of the founding principles of OWS), who believes that greed is immoral - but that you shouldn't try to legislate morality, and believes that the government isn't the answer to all of your wants and needs.

If you want to know which one I am, browse the forum. Read my posts, and then tell me if I am the one trying to shut down the discussions - or maybe you just don't want to hear from the people that disagree.

[-] 0 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

no I don't want to hear from people that disagree. If you are not in agreement, you are clueless or paid to say otherwise.

No one is trying to legislate morality. No one wants more government or thinks they are the answer to our wants and needs. We want less government intrusion...less invasion of our constitutional rights.

How can you be here in discussions and not get that?

No one here is calling for government to save us.

We want them to do their damn jobs, which is to uphold our Constitution.

We want the Justice Department to do their damn jobs.

The SEC needs to do their damn job.

The country would be working just fine if the crooks and liars weren't at the helm. They have taken over every part of government.

The greedy hoarders have been breaking the law, laws that are already on the books.

They need to be held accountable. We don't need new laws. These crooks and liars need to be thrown in jail....now....

I came here to talk to people who know what is going on and come up with ideas.

I think we can all find places and people who we disagree with which to shoot the shit....somewhere else....

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

'You either agree with me, or you are an idiot' - How's that Kool-aid tasting? It must be yummy. There is a vast world of knowledge that you are just barely beginning to skim the top of. Maybe when you grow up, you'll come to appreciate that people who challenge your way of thinking are not necessarily the enemy - in fact, they will force you to continue to learn and grow in your own beliefs. Good luck with that.

As far as the rest of your post? Spend some more time around these forums and you'll find ample examples of people looking for freebies and handouts, and looking for the government to save them.

Good to know why you came to this site, but that doesn't explain why you bothered commenting on my post - it doesn't really fit with your plan.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

'You either agree with me, or you are an idiot'

more like, you either have been paying attention to the real news and support the people's movement against our oppressors...or you believe the corporate media and hang out on this site for 'discussions' but have learned through this process absolutely nothing about the movement or any of the injustice that has been occurring i.e you have your head up your ass(or you are paid to act that way)

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

I'll take option c. Observant and educated. Understands both sides of the issues. Has a real grasp of reality. Agrees or disagrees with issues individually and does not accept either side as having a monopoly on truth.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

wow that was fast, as if you are just waiting around on this site to answer people.

Both sides? So you see how the robosigners feel stealing people's homes with illegal documents? Yeah that must be hard on them.

I can see how the bankers might feel bad about themselves for fucking up the entire economy on purpose, then using their fuck up to steal even more in the worlds most open bank heist. I really haven't taken the time to see things from their side...thanks so much for the tip.

You can see things from Congress' side? Congress must feel so insecure knowing America hates them, we should think more about their feelings and not the fact that they have been illegally insider trading and passing on insider information to hedge fund managers.

We should try to see their side of why they needed to destroy our country for their own personal gain. They must feel so bad about themselves for writing legislation that violates our bill of rights, I should really try to have some compassion.

What you are not getting is, there is no other side. WE have people fighting for truth and justice for the 99%, with all the evidence we need of illegal crimes to throw them in prison only our justice system refuses to act and our corporate media refuses to do their jobs and hold them accountable to the people through our 'free press

the 'other side'.... is a tiny minority that are using their money on the web to hire people and pretend all is well and they have done nothing illegal. You think by your numbers you will appear bigger than you are, but no one is buying your crap. Sorry.

[-] 2 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Just because you claim to be the 99%, it doesn't mean that you have the support of 99% of the people on ALL issues. I'm sure you can get a lot of support for things like ending corporate personhood and getting business out of politics - but there are other things that people's opinions will differ. You can look on this site and see how many detractors there are? Do you really think they are all billionaires (including me?).

I'd also like to hear more about these crimes. What evidence do you have and what charges are you seeking on these CEOs and others? I'd like to hear what specific laws have been broken. I agree wholeheartedly that the things some of the corporations and their leaders are doing are horrific - but the problem is, they aren't illegal.

[-] 1 points by independentmind (227) 6 years ago

You must be a riot at GA meetings...

[-] 0 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

So you people are infiltrating the GA meetings as well, interfering with the assemblies with your diversions and lies. Great.

[-] 1 points by independentmind (227) 6 years ago

Some of us strive for solution by means of taking everyone's opinions and desires into account and achieving ones that represent all.

Some of us are also only looking to better the America we have today. Not destroy it from the ground up and make a whole new one.

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

Yes, you are right. This country has been impoverished and poverty continues to rise. I am angry and sick at the economic devastation that these criminal scum have gotten away with...the children living in poverty, the homelessnes, I could go on and on. To put a personal face on this I look at my 80 year old father, who is in good health; he has always been happy and worry free...until the crash of 2008. He has not been the same man, but has sunk into a depression necessitating therapy and medication. He used to cook, and play the piano among other things...I want my father back and I pray every day for the eternal damnation of those responsible for destroying so many lives. Funny thing is some of these people actually believe in god; take Blankfein for example who claimed to have been doing god's work. How ironic...I hope I live to see justice.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

Thanks for your story. This is so sad, but probably quite common these days. How many lives have been ruined? How devastating it must be for the older generations to see our country fall so far.

I don't think those 1%ers believe in God. They cannot possibly believe in an afterlife. These are just the same crooks and liars, praying in public pretending to be believers...just like Jesus had to deal with back in the day. It is hilarious they expect us to believe they are following Jesus' teachings.

WE have to fight for justice, you must live to see justice...we have to do it for our children and the future of this nation. And it is inevitable they will fall, just a matter of time.

Please hang in there, and I hope your Dad regains some hope soon. It is really hard for all of us these days, that is why this movement is so inspiring! They have left so many with nothing to lose, so we will fight until we win.

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

Thank you! :)

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER2 (56) 6 years ago

^^^ fucorporatemedia

example of head in ass

[-] 0 points by BystanderDC (91) 6 years ago

I have been reading through the discussions for a week or two, and honestly it is a few people posting the same thing over and over again. The intellectual thought and care that was once on the board has trickled off. It is no longer a rationale discussion anymore. For example, a few people are railing about the police, but I would rather them out there protecting the 99% than spending so much time keeping an eye on the 1% protesting at the Occupy DC movement.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

"There are a number of reasons that the machine isn't more threatened by the movement. The crackdown isn't a nationally coordinated movement," I beg to differ:


[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

That post doesn't really say anything. PERF is a non-governmental body of academics (some of which have police experience) who crafts model policies and provides police chiefs with input on how to do stuff.

Chuck Wexler had a conference call where Mayors (?) and Police Chiefs had a discussion about their individual occupy movements and what they are dealing with. They talked about best practices and what is working or not working in each jurisdiction. They were sharing ideas, and not coordinating the crack downs. It is no different than the discussions that groups from Occupy have had about the same things - how to deal with police in their area, how to set up marches, best practices on strategies and tactics. Chuck Wexler does not have the authority or ability to give commands to cities about when or how they should deal with their protesters.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

The conference call was real. Wexler isn't some guy who teaches Poli Sci 101. The evictions that soon followed also real.

No, Chuck is in with some heavy hitters: This is what Chuck and his buds say they do:

"What We Do Mission and Responsibilities

The Department's mission is to ensure a homeland that is safe, secure, and resilient against terrorism and other hazards. Our efforts are supported by an ever-expanding set of partners. Every day, the more than 230,000 men and women of the Department contribute their skills and experiences to this important mission. Our duties are wide-ranging, but our goal is clear: a safer, more secure America."

"Terrorism and other hazards"

So chuck is an advisor to DHS. He's on the horn with 18 mayors. They're talking about eradicating this uprising. That's national, son.

Homeland Security Advisory Council Members (with regular guy nicknames) On This Page: William "Bill" Webster (Chair), Retired Partner, Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, LLP Chief William “Bill” Bratton (Vice Chair), Chairman of Kroll, Altegrity Security Consulting Norman "Norm" Augustine, Former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Lockheed Martin Corp. Leroy "Lee" Baca, Sheriff, Los Angeles County Richard "Dick" Cañas, Security Consultant Kenneth "Chuck" Canterbury, President, Fraternal Order of Police Jared "Jerry" Cohon, President, Carnegie Mellon University Ruth David, President and Chief Executive Officer, ANSER (Analytic Services, Inc.) Manny Diaz, Senior Partner, Lydecker Diaz Mohamed Elibiary, Foundation, Founder, Lone Star Intelligence, LLC Clark Kent Ervin, Director, Homeland Security Program, The Aspen Institute Ellen Gordon, Associate Director, Naval Postgraduate School, CHDS Lee H. Hamilton, Director, the Center on Congress at Indiana University Raymond Kelly, Police Commissioner, City of New York John Magaw, Self-employed, Domestic and International Security Consultant Bonnie Michelman, Director of Police, Security and Outside Services at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Northeastern University's College of Criminal Justice Jeff Moss, Chief Security Officer, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Martin O'Malley, Governor, State of Maryland Sonny Perdue, Former Governor, State of Georgia Harold Schaitberger, General President, International Association of Firefighters Joe Shirley Jr., Former President, The Navajo Nation Lydia W. Thomas, Trustee, Noblis, Inc. Frances Fragos Townsend, Senior Vice President - Worldwide Government, Legal and Business Affairs, MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings Inc. Chuck Wexler, Executive Director, Police Executive Research Forum John "Skip" Williams, Provost and Vice President for Health, The George Washington University

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

The conference call was real, and it was in connection with his duties at PERF. This is what PERF does:

"The Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) is a national membership organization of progressive police executives from the largest city, county and state law enforcement agencies. PERF is dedicated to improving policing and advancing professionalism through research and involvement in public policy debate."

What the chief's were engaging in was the "FORUM" part of Police Executives Research Forum.

The funny thing is, I know Chuck Wexler, and he is a bleeding heart liberal. He is a professional moderator - he is not a subject matter expert. He is a book worm, not a master strategist. Chuck probably sits on a dozen boards, so you can't just single out his relationship with DHS as the driving factor. Look at his bio on the PERF website: "As operations assistant to the Police Commissioner, he played a central role in the agency's management of racial violence in the wake of court-ordered desegregation of the Boston school system. He was also instrumental in the development and management of the Community Disorders Unit, which earned a national reputation for successfully prosecuting and preventing racially motivated crime. Wexler graduated from Boston University with a liberal arts degree."

It is real easy to go out on the internet and start trying to put all these little scraps of information together into a conspiracy - but you are going to be way off base when you don't have a basic understanding of how these different organizations operate.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

The police apparatus includes liberals. The point is the 18 mayors were talking with each other about what to do about OWS- to make it go away. That is national coordination. Chuck might even be a nice guy.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

Bouncing ideas and strategies off each other is not the same as coordination. Coordination would coming together for one plan on how and when to evict OWS. Is there any evidence of them saying "Ok, Boston - you guys evict on the 9th, Oakland on the 12th and Portland on the 15th." Do you even know that all 18 have moved against OWS? We can argue about the definition of terms, I guess - but either way, discussing things is not a bad idea. Some cities have been praised in the way they have handled occupiers - don't you want them sharing their success with other cities?

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Okay opposition you win. These mayors and police chiefs bounced ideas off each other on this nation wide conference call about how to destroy the Occupy movement and Wexler was just a "facilitator" of this nation wide 18 city conference call about how to destroy the Occupy movement. Uncle. You win.

I want the occupations to continue and get bigger.

[-] 1 points by inquisitive (20) 6 years ago

Good discourse. As Rodney King would say, "Can't we all just get along?" Unfortunately, "we all" face a long rough road ahead. It will take much more than polite discourse to get this country back on its Constitutional track, but it's at least a start.

[-] 1 points by Jester (30) 6 years ago

@ friendlyopposition: You pose some hypothetical situation that is, I think, intended to create some powerful argument that is actually intellectually dishonest from inception. I'd first like to point out to you that the post was not penned by the individual that pasted it here, perhaps you missed that detail. Here is the link to the original video for your convenience> http://waitingforthestorm.com/an-open-message-to-police-military

Your entire argument is based on one presumed premise; " After all, you want officers to follow their hearts when it comes to matters of protesters and public interest issues that they may find themselves encountering during their duties." That point is never even hinted at in the text nor the video. The message above has nothing what-so-ever to do with law enforcement "following their hearts". In case you haven't been paying attention, The message is directly pointed to ILLEGAL activities for hire. You utilize the editorial "we" as though you have inside information or other facts yet fail to even once to cite any supporting sources. If you have observed any of the NYPD tactics you can't miss their use of unnecessary brutal force against legal acts of protest. Don't confuse it with civil disobedience. The term you might be trying to find is "morality". Morality was what was lacking when German citizens followed their orders and mass murdered (ILLEGALLY) over six million European Jews.

Also, when you discuss law, please take a moment to look it up and reference it. But, get this straight, Freedom of Speech is still free and legal if it impinges on you. The only time free speech is illegal is when it is a lie, i.e.. slanderous or libelous. I can call you an idiot if in fact you are one even if it hurts your feelings.

Lastly, this movement isn't afraid to break the law, it's mandatory for actions of civil disobedience. And, it isn't necessary to be violent to break the law. In fact, it's necessary to be non-violent in all efforts of civil disobedience. It's not a demonstration as you may have in your city. The above author isn't asking the police to play nice. Blowing someones face off because they are sitting in the street with a sign is an illegal police act. That's the deal man. Don't waste your time lecturing us on something you obviously have no good knowledge about. OK?

You know what the movement is about by now and you know what is posted here. If you don't like it, or if it bothers you, don't read it.

[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

A) It doesn't matter who originally penned the response.

B) My use of "we" is as "we citizens" not as "we occupiers."

C) If the whole purpose of this post is to get officers to believe that the actions that they are taking are illegal - then it is a pointless post, and I shouldn't have bothered responding. Maybe my response was misguided, but all of the points in it are valid. When occupiers obey the laws, they don't get arrested. When occupiers submit peacefully to arrest, they don't have brutal force used on them. Could there be exceptions among the hundreds of police officers, and thousands of protesters? I will accept that there can - but brutality and violation of civil rights is not the norm that many occupiers are trying to present. I will agree that Free Speech is only illegal when it is a lie or incites dangerous behavior (screaming fire in a crowded theatre). However, you can't use Free Speech as protection when engaging in illegal activity. You can come into my yard and march around carry sign around. If I ask you to leave, and you do not - you can be arrested for trespassing. That trespassing charge has nothing to do with your free speech. You can march in the street carrying your signs, but when you refuse to get out of the street,you can be arrested for impeding traffic - which has nothing to do with your free speech. If someone had their face blown off for sitting in the street with a sign, then of course that would be an illegal police act. When did that happen?

D) I understand the movement, and support some of it. And there are parts that bother me - but that is why I read it. I prefer to have people challenge my perspective instead of just surrounding myself with people that think the same way I do.

[-] 1 points by Jester (30) 6 years ago

It DOES matter who authored the original of the piece you have viewed. It may not matter to you, you don't seem as motivated by truth as you are about making your point relevant to the disinterested. The piece ( the entire original video ) is actually a well done piece of recruitment, but you missed it, and thus lost the point. You also failed to account for state and local layoffs of police, as-well-as Iraq veterans returning to a 35% unemployment challenge. It is timely to recruit these 99%.

Ah, finally you address the purpose of the post. It is obvious to most who have posted here, it seems to me, that the post is far from meaningless. Just because you don't understand it or perhaps disagree with it, doesn't make it meaningless nor diminish it in any fashion. You've got some ego bud!

As for the rest; I'm not about to engage in more of your rhetoric or your love of the hypothetical. We can both agree on one statement of your's though. You "shouldn't have bothered responding." Consider your perspective challenged. Merry Christmas!

[-] 1 points by sking11 (1) 6 years ago

I feel like you are making the assumption that every time a protester has been arrested or subjected to police misconduct it was because he/she broke the law. Testimonials and video evidence has shown otherwise. I don't think you can make the assumption either direction. For example you can not assume that every time a protester has been arrested it is because he/she was a victim.

Also the issue here isn't about the cops quitting their job because of their biased opinions. The issue is really cops being afraid to participate, maybe on their own time, or being afraid to not follow unlawful orders. In this case the cops would be putting their jobs on the line, not quitting. That is an injustice. We need cops to protect our rights but it is wrong when big banks and corporation can use the police force to further their agenda. Also, the NYPD seems to have an obligation to big money seeing as they are Bloomberg's "army" and Chase bank "donated" millions to them. This is not the case in EVERY city. You can not also make assumptions about the whole movement based on your city. The movement is all over the country, the world, big and small, and it is on the internet.

I know this is open for interpretation but I do not feel it is unlawful for protests to go on in the street. A lot people have been arrested for stepping foot in the street. It is not about the issues being grand, I think anyone should be able to protest in a public space, or have the right to peacefuly assemble. They should not be hushed because it complicates my route to work or it is an inconvenience on my day. If the government has a problem with that, then maybe they should offer the people a better way to get their voices heard instead of the big money owned, propaganda, media.

I would like to hear more about the rights that these protesters are "trumping" on.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

I do assume that every protester is arrested because they have broken the law. A police officer is responsible for that arrest, and that police officer alone. We it comes to taking a persons freedom away, the Federal law does not allow you to say "because my boss told me to." The officer has to articulate what the violation of the law was, and what his/her probable cause connecting the person to the crime. No officer is going to put his job, or his house, on the line just to arrest some protester who is not breaking the law.

The legality of impeding traffic is not up for interpretation. Why do you have the right to stop me from driving my vehicle on a roadway that I pay taxes and fees to use? What if you were having a march on the sidewalks and a group of counterprotesters set up a barricade blocking your path...and every other path leading to your destination? I guess you guys would consider it a minor inconvenience, and respect their right to be on the sidewalk as well.

No one is suggesting that the message be "hushed" as a matter of inconvenience - speak your message...just don't do it in the street.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

So in other words, the protesters in your city are well behaved and don't disrupt the lives of others like protesters did in so many other struggles in this country, from the Boston Tea Party, to women's suffrage, to the Civil Right movement, to the Viet Nam War protests, All the people that took part in those protests knew that the system could not be fixed from within that same system because it had become too rotten and did not live up to the ideals enshrined in The Bill of Rights. The police then as now protected the corrupt system that was in place by ignoring the crimes of the plutocrats and enforcing the minor infractions of the people that want to live in a just society as outlined in the Constitution.

I'm sorry, but in my book, you don't get off the hook. If your conscience tells you that the protesters do indeed have a legitimate gripe that goes to the very soul of what this country is suppose to be about, you are on the wrong side of the police lines, and if not you are on the right side and hence deserve the criticism that you are receiving from us.

My daughter graduated from Fordham, Lincoln Center Campus (in the top 10% of her class) with degrees in criminology and served on the NYPD's auxiliary police program while in school. She had a choice to make when she graduated, whether to become a cop or not. She chose not to and instead went on to law school. She made her choice, you made yours. You simply can't deny your responsibility in keeping the current corrupt sytem in place.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

First of all, I would like you to enlighten me by listing the crimes that the plutocrats have broken. I don't mean tell me the things that they have done wrong, or tell me how corrupt they are. Let me know specifically what crimes they have committed.

Secondly, you think lawyers are less corrupt than the police? What planet do you live on?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

I will not do the research for you. You can 'enlighten' yourself. It's easy enough, Just Google up 'banking in 2008 meltdown' or something similar. You are not still under the belief that a financial system that has wiped out trillions of dollars of people's wealth hasn't committed any crimes, are you? Perhaps fewer posts and more research are in order. The real crime is that your peers in the criminal justice system and regulatory agencies let this happen and have done nothing to prosecute these cases. Three years later, and nobody in jail!

As far as lawyers go, how about a lawyer who worked long and hard for a person that she knew was innocent, a lawyer who despite graduating near the top of her class at an excellent university, Fordham would never work for corporate America, and finally a lawyer who proved that her client was indeed innocent by coming up with an audio recording that proved the cop was lying in the case. Would that be a corrupt lawyer in your book???

One more time, if your conscience is telling you that these protesters have a legitimate gripe that goes right to the SOUL of what this country is suppose to be about, then you are on the wrong side of the line-- if not you are on the right side of the line, and simply on the wrong side of history.

While I appreciate you civil discourse in these posts, as indicated by the name you chose 'friendly opposition', I do not see how you can justify the position of law enforcement in all of this. At the very least you could admit that your peers at the state and federal level did not do their jobs (on a criminal negligent level) that they were sworn to do, and by not doing so, in effect acted in complicity with the criminal bankers, thereby costing millions of people worldwide their chance for a comfortable retirement, lost tuition money, lost homes, etc., etc. You are part of that system, and their is nothing "friendly" about that! So if the people on the other side of the line seem a little upset, maybe it is because they or their loved ones were victims of the criminals who perpetrated these crimes and they see you as part of that system.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 6 years ago

You can't have it both ways. You can't say that some lawyers are corrupt, and others aren't - yet say all police officers are bad. That's crap, and you know it. There are corrupt lawyers in the world and there are bad cops, but in both cases - they are a tiny fraction of the whole. I could stack up as many good cop stories as you can good lawyer stories - but I doubt it would change your views.

I agree that what the business leaders have done to our economy is horrific. Loaning money to people who can't pay it back is irresponsible. Gambling with someone else's pension is despicable. Ruining lives through economic "three card monte" is downright vile. And on top of that - giving yourself a fat bonus is unspeakable. I agree with all of that. Unfortunately, for the most part - these people weren't breaking the law. They were entrusted with people's money and they screwed them. It is another sad statement about how our economic system is designed. Just because we can plainly see that something is wrong, and we are angry as hell about it - doesn't instantly make it a crime.

I get tired of hearing protesters blasting the uniformed cops who are out on the street - telling them that they should be locking up the bankers and not the protesters. It isn't their job to investigate the bankers. If there is some sort of fraud going on that is the job of the FBI. They investigate white collar crimes - go bark up that tree. While it is easy to lump all law enforcement into one basket, that isn't how the system works. Those officers on the street have NOTHING to do with whether or not the FBI is doing their job.

And I am fully aware that people will focus their anger on the first uniform they see. People are just as quick to get angry at the cops because their garbage didn't get picked up the day before as they are about the murder of civilian protesters in Egypt. It is part of the job.

I believe that the OWS movement is onto something. I do support the idea of ending corporate personhood and getting money out of politics (to name s few). But my conscience tells me that I have to continue doing what I signed on to do almost 20 years ago. Protect the rights and the lives of the citizens - all citizens. I will continue to stand in the middle and do my best to be objective. There will always be cops on the line. Wouldn't you rather have one that spends 15 or 20 minutes a day talking to the people at the local encampment? I've discussed these same issues with them face-to-face, and while we don't always agree (especially when they start getting out in left field) - we both appreciate the exchange. I know some of them by name, most of them know mine (of course, I have name tag). They are good people, I recognize that - and I can only hope that they recognize that I'm a good person too. Hopefully when the clash comes, and it inevitably will, this positive credit we have built up will make things go a little bit smoother.

Sorry, I digressed there a little bit. I'm too tired to go back and read what I wrote.

I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

I will pick this up with you tomorrow. I hope you too had a good Christmas

[-] 0 points by iEarnThings (13) 6 years ago

What rights are you refering to when you say "our rights"? Just out of curiousity

[-] 2 points by kayak69 (57) from West Sand Lake, NY 6 years ago

I would assume that this person is referring to our first amendment rights, which are stated as follows. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Specifically "the right of the people peaceably to assemble..."

[-] 1 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

i didn't answer because I thought it was incredibly obvious. but thanks:)

[-] 1 points by iEarnThings (13) 6 years ago

Don't take my question as a question of ignorance. I only asked because I have heard people say they have a right to shelter (which isn't true) and someone had the nerve to tell me that my generosity isn't mine at all but instead their human right. So I wanted to make clear the rights that you were refering to in your post. Thanks for clearing that up though. Also, I'm not sure how assembly works entirely but I believe a permit is required if meeting on public property, is it not?

[-] 0 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

We need to work on getting our protesters suited up in some of their own riot gear. Why allow the police force be the only armed and protected bodies out on the street? Especially if they're going to abuse their powers. I want my people to be supplied with gas masks and MOPP gear. Steel toed combat boots and carbon fiber gauntlets. How about some bullet proof chest plates and projectile deflecting helmets We need to show our leaders what happens when they even think about implementing a police state.

Apparently OWS has all this money, it's time to start putting it to good use.

[-] 1 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

i think they had an active militant group do this in arizona, everthing was smooooooth. arizona has very liberal gun laws though. very cool though.


[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

Thanks for posting this nuck1es. I'll definitely do my research on the websites provided in the video.


[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

The police are just taking orders from the people who are in charge:


Don´t hold your breath on police changing sides. The police is a tool of the ones in charge - the rich and powerful - to maintain status quo. As the Occupy Movements grow - becoming a huge threat to the owning class - we actually have to expect more police brutallity. Many policemen/women are good people, but they are taking orders from the higher ups, and they´re not to thrilled about popular movements wanting change. Please read my contribution The Transition Phase: The Road to Freedom

For those who missed it, make sure you catch Noam Chomsky at Occupy Boston

solidarity and greetings struggleforfreedom

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

I think we know that; it should not however prevent us from making a plea such as this one. The more they hear it, the better. We must continue to plant the seeds.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Sure. I do however, think there are lots of other things that need to be focused on which are much more important and effective than that.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

The police can change sides, when they realize they are being used as tools for the elite. We should not give up on that effort.

....and I would not hold my breath looking to Chomsky for anything. He won't even look at 9/11, building 7...and said something like 'what is the difference'

What kind of intellectual would not want to examine the events of 9/11? Do not trust Chomsky.

[-] 3 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

And if the enforcers are unwilling change sides, they can soon expect a beatdown--congruent to and possibly much more damaging than the ones they lay down on their own citizens--by their own citizens. I say this not as a terrorist, but as an ex-military pawn who has already switched sides. I have once been a member of the dark-side, and as soon as I became privy to what was and is actually taking place, I did not want to believe what I was seeing. People wonder why so many members of the armed forces suffer from post traumatic experiences, it's because there is some evil motherfucking shit going down.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Sure, as the support for The Occupy Movement grows, more policemen will also become more sympathetic toward the movement, I´m just saying that they are following orders, and are going to follow orders in the near future.

Come on, man. Arn´t we done with these conspiracy theories about 9/11 yet?


[-] 3 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

"Arn´t we done with these conspiracy theories about 9/11 yet?"

What kind of intellectual would not want to examine the events of 9/11?

[-] -2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

911 has been examined very well, and non of the experts and people involved have concluded that it was a conspiracy.


[-] 2 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

well that's pretty stupid considering a conspiracy is two or more acting together, even the official version is a conspiracy.

The only attempts to debunk were from one article in popular mechanics, the same 'article' that is referred to over and over by paid propagandists. Is that the examination of 9/11 you are referring to? It has no evidence whatsoever, and when Amy Goodman had the author on Democracy Now, he had absolutely nothing to back him up.

Have you heard of Scholars for 9/11 Truth? They have a hell of a lot more credibility.

If you seriously have no questions about that day...let me give you a few....

How did those steel building fall from fire, the only steel buildings in History to ever come down from fire? And Building 7? You have heard of it? Amazing how it came crashing to the ground just like a controlled demolition....but of course it was because of a tiny fire. And of course the corporate media has talked about building 7 just as extensively as the twin towers right? right?

And the fighter jets that Rumsfeld said couldn't intercept the hijackers because radar was 'pointing outward'...do you really believe that too?

Amazingly they intercepted Payne Stewart's plane within 5 minutes of a transponder being shut off, but on 9/11, our fighter jets couldn't intercept hijacked planes for over an hour.

And Rumsfeld was the one person on the planet that had no idea that planes had hit the towers until one hit the Pentagon because he was busy in meetings. No one at the Pentagon thought maybe this was more important? The whole world was watching, except for the US Defense Secretary.

If you really believe the official story, you must think that Americans are incredibly incompetent. We can't build steel building the way other countries can. We can't use our radar to spot hijackings within the US. Some guy in a cave outsmarted the US military, a country that spends more money on defense than the rest of the world combined? 'They shut off the transponder so we just couldn't find the airplanes'....that excuse really works for you?

[-] 2 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

Someday the truth will come out. The evidence is overwhelming. What makes it even more convincing is the fact that, being the worst act of terrorism in US history, one would think that the simple request that truthers make to re-investigate the official account would be welcome by people/officials that truly love this country. Why would they not prioritize an effort to find the truth??????

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

It does seem pretty clear that the official story is a lie. Lots of people just don't want to get it.

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

Don't forget that the infamous building #7 came down hours after the twin towers. This building housed a lot of classified information...

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

and it was severely damaged by the north tower collapse. Come on, let´s drop these conspiracy theories and start focus on facts and important issues!


[-] 2 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

This is an important issue...as much as the other ones.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

9/11 was the excuse they used to kill one million people in Iraq.

9/11 is what they used, and continue to use to assault of Bill of Rights.

9/11 is the reason we are groped and radiated at the airports.

9/11 is the propaganda they still use to push their agenda.

9/11 is what they are using to push an attack on Iran now.

9/11 is their excuse for destroying our once great nation....but let's just move on to something important.

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 6 years ago

You are mistaken on this one...

[-] -1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Few if any police officers will heed your call any time soon. It still is good to address them as you do. As much as possible the onus for their misdeeds should be on them.

[-] -1 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

i just sow the movie Order of Chaos. Boring and sick. For those of you who likes Illuminati

[-] -1 points by BlueRose (1437) 6 years ago

Wow thanks.

[+] -4 points by burningman2012 (187) 6 years ago

most of them took the job for a paycheck because they couldn't find another way to make a living other than being the jailer of men. fuck them.

[-] 1 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

we will never beat the 1 percent with this frame of mind. we need to unite.

[-] -1 points by burningman2012 (187) 6 years ago

unite with cops yeah keep dreaming. did you see even one cop quit in protest over how they treated ows? no.

[-] 3 points by Justice4all (133) 6 years ago

2011 was a changing point in the way in which the vast majority of the population said enough! While governments and corporations throughout the world continue to ravage and rape the population for their own self want and profits, 2012 will be the tipping point to which mankind will either rise or fall depending on whos voice is stronger. Is it their world to run or is it ours? I think inside all of us as human beings can feel that breaking point coming. Otherwise there would not be so many disenfranchised and backbroken people on here, desperately needing a better way in the world! Nor would there be so many speaking on behalf of greed, intolerance, injustice, arrogance and all the poisons this system is on this site defending it at all costs. That is a place driven by fear and the knowledge inside themselves that their way of the world is being threatened and they will not let go all that they cherish (Money, materialsm and control over the population) so easily. This is a fight of the spirit!! People who have sold their souls long ago for want and desire of things that have no basis in humanity will fight back with anger and hate and especially fear by means in which to keep that world. We have seen in 2011 that people will not play that game any longer and are listening to the truth inside all of us that is supressed since birth. To be good boys and girls and obey the system and the system will surely not harm you. The lie is clearly evident to the consciesness in man and is only getting stronger!! The question all of us on the side of truth and decency have to begin to ask is what are we all willing to sacrifice and suffer through to make that dream a reality so man can truly be free? Many have laid it on the line in 2011, by protesting, getting arrested (Just by practicing their basic rights mind you) pepper sprayed, shot and more. It is the beginning of a new dawning for the human spirit!! 2012 just may be the ultimate tipping point!

[-] 3 points by lizaonline (3) 6 years ago

The video falls into the trap of making this about space and police. The movement is about more than that and the constant battles over space and a place to sleep is diluting the importance of the political corruption that has called us all to support OWS. Information is king and releasing information about the politicians, bankers, and assistants who will do anything for a future job with lobbyists is more important than the battle over public space.

[-] 2 points by kayak69 (57) from West Sand Lake, NY 6 years ago

Expose the bastards and vote the corrupt politicians out of office.



[-] 3 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 6 years ago

I agree with BrockLanders. That video was a little to far over-the-edge for me. Where is the substance? Give me something with a heart-beat.

[-] 2 points by DarknessOfGreed (41) 6 years ago

call up bono or zach de la rocha

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

Lyrics are provided on both videos for people who cannot understand screaming



[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 6 years ago

This one is much better....

Occupy Wall St giving Cops a Teach-in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAKq6Cnnu0

[-] -1 points by burningman2012 (187) 6 years ago

stop living in the past there is so much music out there today that is amazing you are just not looking hard enough.


[-] 3 points by nuck1es (59) from Port Hadlock-Irondale, WA 6 years ago

we need the police on our side. we need to find common ground with them. if they come to our side we will be unstoppable. consider their internal turmoil and make their decision easy to make. they deserve the same respect we afford our brothers and sisters. PLEASE WATCH THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV0pl9yiURY

[-] 1 points by Spacecatfunk (1) from San Francisco, CA 6 years ago

Unstoppable how? Unstoppable because there of their super-awesome police powers? Or unstoppable because there just won't be any police once the police join our side. And how will they join us? Will they still be police? Will they be OUR police? Remember, the Police represents the concentrated power of the bourgeoisie. The civilian police force is a common feature of all modern democracies (Being established after the defeat of whatever royalist or private security forces protected the vested intererests of the previous ruling class). After having achieved power through revolutionary means (And they were revolutionary, in their time), The bourgeoisie then proceeds to cement their gains through the creation of a police force to "arrest" any further revolutionary developments.

That is the role of the police in a democratic society.

Why should we want to co-opt this power structure into our movement?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Don´t hold your breath on police changing sides. The police is a tool of the ones in charge - the rich and powerful - to maintain status quo. Please read my contribution The Transition Phase: The Road to Freedom


[-] 1 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 6 years ago

I agree 100%. Whether we like it or not and whether the police like it or not, we are all part of the 99%. We need to figure out how to make this work.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 6 years ago

The 99% is an economic group, you may be able to win them to you political beliefs, but most aren't there yet. Until they are the police will go with the majority.

[-] 1 points by juanainez (27) 6 years ago

""Asset ownership inequality"--I love it! If you want more of this country, you'll have to buy it, just like everyone else does."

totally agree! we need to make the 1% of capital owners work for the 99% that are workers (labor owners, not assets/capital owners). enough of having it done the other way around for so long.

[-] -2 points by burningman2012 (187) 6 years ago

the police are not our brothers they are our oppressors

[-] -3 points by catlover (1) 6 years ago

What?? This is a police state- the police is the enemy- aggressively non violently attract them every time you can. Take movies of them, abusing peaceful protesters. they are paid mercenary's- paid to protect the interest's of the rich greedy and corrupt. paid to force us to conform to, laws against out constitution. http://1vbd3.cjb.net

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 6 years ago

catlover? That has to be the stupidest username you made yet. How many users do you have now? 100? And all that so you can post your crappy link?

[-] 2 points by nograve (23) 6 years ago

They're right-- we are unstoppable. There are simply too many of us and not enough of them. The prospect of a million man army frightened them in the 'red scare'; so you can imagine how they feel about an army of nearly every man, woman and child. Knock knock.

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

What a wonderful job the Occupy Movements have been doing these last months. The uprising continues for as long as it takes.

The revolution starts now!

Noam Chomsky at Occupy Boston

The world and its habitants desperatly need change. Keep up the good work.

yours s. struggleforfreedom

[-] 2 points by JenLynn (692) 6 years ago

The video is certainly different, I must be missing something I don't see any point to it. Makes the protesters look like the stereotype they paint us in the media.

[-] 2 points by SuzannahBeeTroy (14) 6 years ago

Just sent this to some city council people and couple of state senators:

http://youtu.be/q2OFcErnB6A This YouTube breaks the news that Norman Siegel won a victory at 66 Wall Street and there will be no more sign prohibiton (we believe was meant to target OWS) by Deutsche Bank security and the NYPD.

Separate issue:

I need to get in touch with every city council person and demand accountability re: new trend -- private security with no identification! If you agree please spread the word and effect change before we have even worse abuses of power.

Who is policing this new trend of private security in public spaces? The security wears no identifying uniform or name plate!

1) Brookfield has hired retired and or off-duty NYPD to police public space Zuccotti Park aka Liberty Park

2) Deutsche Bank hired what appears to me to be their own private military

In both case men have used foul language and there is no identification on their body and this is yet another abuse of power!

Examples beyond foul the worst offender DB guard who said "I f....ed your mother". "you are shi/".

Zuccotti Park unmarked security said -- your fly is down. (he just have gotten embarrassed because he than said "fagg/t"

Please help to alert everyone possible and lead the call for City Council and even perhaps State Senate to demand accountability.

It is unacceptable to plunk down private security with no way of identifying who they work for and individuals who behavior is threatening or verbally abusive.


Thank you,

Suzannah B. Troy

[-] 1 points by doubtingthom (1) from Newberry, FL 6 years ago

OWS And The Master's Tools

As Audre Lorde put it, "The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."


[-] 1 points by freeows (84) 6 years ago

Time is NOW! Spread that spirit out loudly and widely. If we come together, a lot of things we CAN DO!


[-] 1 points by 11jamespevanhoe (3) 6 years ago


HOW THEY KILL THE AMERICAN DREAM for the 99% by design


It is absolutely Real Class Warfare

How did Our Economy, Congress, Military, Banking and the Justice system get so corrupted. We now have the most corrupt Nation on the Planet.
Our Government has allowed Wall Street to destroy Our Economy "March of 2000"...started the collapse of the Tech Boom, by Goldman-Sachs under the direction of Henry Paulson who then became Secretary of the US Treasury under Bush and than again "October 2008" the latest economic collapse, by Blankfein, Goldman-Sachs......See and read Documented evidence to these facts by Matt Taibbi writer for Rollingstone Magazine and former executive and whistleblower from Goldman-Sachs Nomi Prins and my comments over the last 12 yrs. having personally watched Goldman-Sachs deliberately destroy the Tech Boom in "March of 2000" in order to level the political playing field and bringing GW Bush to power.


                               BY THE  BIG 5


They are deliberately "DESTROYING THE AMERICAN DREAM", for their own success, their greed, their power, their monopoly, their pathetic perverted egos. Especially George Bush Sr. a totally perverted old man.

....in large part designed by George Bush Sr. Bill Gates, Dick Cheney, Alan Greenspan, Goldman-Sachs Henry Paulson and Lloyd Blankfein and their many criminal buddies from the Carlyle Group, HSBC, Halliburton, Texas Oil Families, Exxon, KBR, Lockeed-Martin, Bechtel, every weapons manufacturer on the Planet....and every large scale Drug Cartel.

The out right perversion by deliberately creating chaos throughout the Planet: Afghanistan to Iraq to Vietnam to South America, Central America and right here in the Good ole USA. through their Needless Wars, Drug Cartels ( they launder their money through HSBC and have for 30 yrs ) and Prisons for Profit soon thousands and thousands, Wall Street corruption.

Chaos created, deliberately "let to happen", example: launder Drug Cartel money so they stay in Business....Follow the Money......this creates Chaos in Central America, Mexico, the USA. Now sell the Governments and the Cartels more and more arms to fight, the Cartels who's money is laundered directly by Bush's buddies at HSBC. See READ "WORLD BANKING WORLD FRAUD" BY JOHN CRUZ.. Now their making money off of weapon sales, laundering cartel money, lets keep this going, lets keep Afghanistan growing the largest Heroin crop on the Planet....with sales in the $$$ billions $$$ and over all Global Drug Cartel sales over a Trillion Dollars annually...from Southeast Asia to Mexico...all laundered by HSBC a Bush buddy for over 25 years. So how can America or for that matter the World ever have the American Dream with criminals like the Bush Family, HSBC, Goldman-Sachs, Microsoft deliberately creating major economic collapse, needless wars, laundering drug cartel money, building prisons for profit, mortgage fraud, corruption by and through Congress and the White House.....deliberate Class Warfare .....crimes by this Group allowed to go on unpunished for more than 30 yrs.

Did you know: Had the USA economy been left to normal growth, with correct management and accounting practices, > without < NEEDLESS WARS or created economic collapses the USA's over all standard of living, educational system, medical & mental health services and even OIL Companies profits would have been 152% better, made more money, the national debt manageable and the globe would have been financially solid for the long run. That's right the Wars the Texas Presidents created or let happen might have raised falling oil prices by those Wars and created larger Defense spending but over the long hull those wars and the following economic collapses created by both Bush Presidencies destroyed our Future: "Father Like Son" War & Economic Collapse 1988,89,90,91,92 and again 2008,09,10, 2011. That's right those wars and the Bush Family and their cronies destroyed real growth. They destroyed stable long term growth, which is absolutely a must for global stability, global public health, global food production, housing, education.

IF YOUR AN ECONOMICS MAJOR you work this through from 1982 through to 2011. All Government Expenditures, Wars, Economic Collapse value of those loses to business, to pension funds, to real wages, production and sales, savings rates, standards in education, and health, U.S. & global families ability to survive etc. etc.


Every WAR created or let to happen by the Bush Family and their cronies destroyed this Country's ability to move forward in a balanced stable form, through stable growth, solid financial systems, solid planning & management, solid accounting, ethical and honest government. The Bush Family and their cronies destroyed Our World 100% deliberately. Again profiting from Global Chaos, now they need to control through corrupt power in order to keep their billions, and to keep from being Charged, Convicted and put to Death.



U.S. TRAITORS, THROUGH their created FINANCIAL TERRORISM the deliberate destruction of Our Financial System, SOCIAL TERRORISM killing young Americans through their drugs, prisons, needless wars and corrupt legal system, ( deliberate Class Warfare ) the deliberate perversion Of Our Freedoms by and through the Bush Family and their criminal organizations World Wide, by Obama and Congress's absolute failures.

IT is time to CHARGE, CONVICT and put to DEATH these individuals who are deliberately killing our brothers and sisters, our friends, our neighborhoods, our families, our homes, our jobs, our future....THROUGH THEIR WARS, THEIR CORRUPTED INSTITUTIONS AND CORPORATIONS, such as Goldman-Sachs, Microsoft, Halliburton, Exxon Mobil, KBR, Bechtel, Congress & the President.


First step is to throw out the trash: Obama, Congress, Republicans and Democrats this November 2012


[-] 1 points by OWSMusic (57) 6 years ago

Merry Christmas to the banksters on Wall Street... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FM3KR9dEOk

[-] 1 points by therevolutionisnow (15) 6 years ago

Its time to take back our city better yet to be more blunt its time to take back control of our country . The revolution is now .

[-] 1 points by ubercaput (175) from New York City, NY 6 years ago

Who cares about the police

[-] 1 points by ropeknot (359) 6 years ago

Step back ;

Take a breath ;

look at the world ;

Now "VOTE" !


[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 6 years ago

We must understand that it's orders from headquarters and the officers must do their jobs. They cannot take sides while on duty. Though there are a few who get carried away with the rough stuff there are many good officers out there that are doing their jobs and we need to respect that. They are not the politicians or corporations, ceo's or bankers. Try to understand their side of things. Try to learn how their job is and see their side of things. These protests are one thing but what else they do gets very dangerous at times and look how many has been killed this past year. We need a better understanding of them, they are not our enemy, just doing their jobs. Get to know some, hear their stories. If we get moved on we will continue in other ways.

[-] 1 points by BarbGantt99 (14) from Mexican Hat, UT 6 years ago

10 steps to to make a difference against the financial elite 1%

http://www.thrivemovement.com/ http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_problem-follow_the_money http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_problem-gda

The financial bank conspiracy by the 1%: the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans and their banks: Bank for International Settlements; National Central Banks; Big Investment Banks; Corporatocracy and the wealthiest billionaires that own the Federal Reserve Bank and meet as the Council on Foreign Relations


For full list of all actions http://www.thrivemovement.com/actions 1 renewal & new free energy IS THE FIRST MOST IMPORTANT 2 informed with diverse news sources especially public radio & stay connected & speak up 3 bank locally at small banks or credit unions 4 Spend local and speak your vote with each dollar sends your message make conscious consumer choices the 1% need the 99% the 99% do not need the 1% 5 movement to audit & end federal reserve Please cosponsor HR 459, The Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011, and do everything in your power to see this bill through to a passing vote. http://www.auditthefed.com/ http://www.auditthefed.com/view-the-coalition/ 6 movement to keep internet fair and open savetheinternet.com 8 speak for diverse sources of news independent news break up corporate owned media for diverse free information savethenews.org; http://www.freepress.net 9 organic non gmo farming & foods 10 traceable paper ballots & campaign finance reform getmoneyout.com

[-] 1 points by liam82797 (5) from New York, NY 6 years ago

MIC CHECK !!!!!!! this video shows that OWS is what democracy looks like however the NYPD is trying to take this away from us NYPD join us because

[-] 1 points by Hamlet2086 (33) 6 years ago

Occupy the solstice.

What does it mean? The solstice has arrived, because the planet which we occupy is slanted and is cycling about the sun. If you are on one half, the days will start getting longer; on the other half, the days will begin getting shorter, and if you are in the 1% located at the equator, you may not notice a thing. Funny, isn't it? Most change is like that: many people barely notice at first.

Some say the Occupy movement has no answers, so it won't go anywhere. They seem to overlook the fact that to get to the right answers, it often helps to be asking the right questions first.

Houston, we have a problem. Awareness is the beginning of any solution.

Columbus was wrong. To get to China by heading due west from Spain, Isabella would have had to have granted him three aircraft which were able to fly into the wind, and the time was not right for that to happen yet. Remember that little word: "yet."

Columbus was also wrong in later thinking that he died a failure, because his voyages were not a bridge to nowhere, either. Others would use what he did, and eventually, the President of the United States got to China (in a plane).

History is not just a sound bite, and it is not over in 30 seconds. (It already has much more time on the meter than that.)

The solstice is a turning point. We need to keep our balance to reach our destinations. This planet is not getting bigger, and we cannot endless add people to it much faster that we lose them or we will eventually fill it up. Change happens, ready or not. Since we cannot get to another suitable planet for millions of years using our existing ships, we'd best take care of the planet we have, and share the rations productively.

Balance is part of the answer, We need sustainability in some measure to assure there is a future for humanity. That is why at times like this at the end of the annual cycle, some humans traditionally make resolutions about how they will improve things in the coming year.

Bless you all. Without you, the world would not be the same.

Tomorrow, the world won't really be the same, but whether that change is for better or for worse is why we occupy.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 6 years ago

Days of Future Past.

[-] 1 points by kayak69 (57) from West Sand Lake, NY 6 years ago

I am embarrassed and disgusted with the way that the protesters are being treated. When other nations treat their people like this, we condemn it. Don't let this abuse stop you. We are all behind you.

[-] 1 points by Bostonian (1) 6 years ago

Artsy and devoid of politics.

[-] 1 points by AllOverIt (100) 6 years ago

Official Calls for National Guard on the Streets 'We are at war in New Orleans' (20 Dec 11)




[-] 0 points by rebel9999 (24) 6 years ago

America is in the mist of an economic revolution and the police are only just referees. The police are not our enemies but only someone relunctily doing their job. Our enemies in this revolution is the rich and the Republican Party for they are the ones who empower the rich to continuously financially abuse and enslave us. Remember, it's either revolution or else submission. We have to turn this revolution from a sit-in into a power force that will force change. We have to organize and vote the Republicans out of public office. If the Republicans win the next election within a week of taking office they will make abortions illegal. They will then end many environmental laws and regulations that protect us all. The Republicans will extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich. The RepubliCONS will do all they can to make the rich richer and ALL of us their SLAVES! Wake up people! Read my web page at www.mybetteramericaplan.com to see ideas on my Current Events section about how we can LEGALLY shut down the Wall Street Stock Exhange and Congress until we get laws, regulations and rules that protect us the people!!!!!! Keep the revolution going, VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!


[-] 0 points by Zealwriter (5) 6 years ago

NO GOVERNMENT PROGRAM IS COMING TO SAVE US! It's time to take ownership of one's own life. This is still the land of opportunity. People sit around puzzled when immigrants come to this country and prosper. There is no magic potion and its not simply tax breaks, it has more to do with mindset. For those that tune their eyes it is obvious the opportunity that we're all surrounded by-perception is everything. There are mechanisms in place where people combine their resources and as they duplicate this process they create WEALTH! These are things that Dems and Repubs lightly touch on, if at all, but it's a proven process for helping people become Financially FREE while in my company people are getting wealthy and healthy at the same time. DON'T WAIT UNTIL YOU NEED YOUR WELL BEFORE YOU START TO DIG! Today your job is secure and tomorrow you could get a pink slip but if you build supplemental residual income now it won't matter what your boss does--invest 3-5yrs doing what others won't do and then you'll be positioned to do what they can't do for the rest of your life. Whiners and handout seekers need not bother----- JOIN HERE: http://ceburns.mymonavie.com

[-] 0 points by Zealwriter (5) 6 years ago

LET THE MOMENTUM FIZZLE OR IMPLEMENT AN UNCONVENTIONAL METHOD TO CONFUSE YOUR OPPONENT!!!------ ----NO GOVERNMENT PROGRAM IS COMING TO SAVE US! It's time to take ownership of one's own life. This is still the land of opportunity. People sit around puzzled when immigrants come to this country and prosper. There is no magic potion and its not simply tax breaks, it has more to do with mindset. For those that tune their eyes it is obvious the opportunity that we're all surrounded by-perception is everything. There are mechanisms in place where people combine their resources and as they duplicate this process they create WEALTH! These are things that Dems and Repubs lightly touch on, if at all, but it's a proven process for helping people become Financially FREE while in my company people are getting wealthy and healthy at the same time. DON'T WAIT UNTIL YOU NEED YOUR WELL BEFORE YOU START TO DIG! Today your job is secure and tomorrow you could get a pink slip but if you build supplemental residual income now it won't matter what your boss does--invest 3-5yrs doing what others won't do and then you'll be positioned to do what they can't do for the rest of your life. Whiners and handout seekers need not bother----- JOIN HERE: http://ceburns.mymonavie.com

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Simply complain on blogs like this one and be accused of loitering rather than occupying or Join a growing movement and return here to lead others to water!

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[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

I know that the December 17th Day of Action was a little bit of a disappointment to OWS in the fact that we were not able to reoccupy and perhaps because of the number of people who showed up. The cooler weather had a lot to do with the latter. Still though on the eleven oclock news (NBCNY) that night, they said three months in and the Occupy Wall St. movement grows bigger! The people who did show up including me were very active though having made their way from Duarte Park to Times Square chanting and protesting along the way. Anyway, I urge you to move forward from there and listen to Noam Chomsky's advice, and that is to start engaging people and to educate them on what this is all about and how it has or continues to affect them. A lot of people simply still don't know, or think that it is impossible to change anything.

Now is the perfect time to reach out, as many of us will be going home for the holidays and will have the chance to talk to family and friends who still don't understand what OWS is on about. We should also think about writing letters to the editor and actually going out into the belly of the beast (places where we have the least support) ie. senior centers different clubs, etc. and give presentations. There is a lot of pain out there, and people who are unhappy with their government and we have to tap into that if this is going to be successful.

We should use this winter to keep this movement on a low boil; to examine the different strategies that have worked in successful past struggles; use social media to its full potential; to educate ourselves and the timid or unknowing; and then plan on ramping it up again in the spring.

Remember that spring and all the hope that it symbolizes will be here soon, and I expect this summer will be a lot hotter than it usually is.

[-] 0 points by BystanderDC (91) 6 years ago

Everyone have a fantastic holidays, whatever your religious/cultural preference. Spend time home with the family, recharge and relax. It is the season of being with your family and I wish everyone safe travels home to wherever you are from.

[-] 0 points by hattiecat2 (17) 6 years ago

Up until now your movement has been an amusing spectacle. Something fun to read about when the day is slow at work. But now when you are producing these videos that are representing your message, and your thoughts, I am beginning to realize most of you are just plane crazy. This video is so stupid, your group is all good, people on bouncy balls, children, free vegetables , puppets, and cute little flash cards. And the police are all bad, just waiting to mace your stupid asses. Who blames them! I would be pulling out the fire hoses. They are acting with amazing restraint!!You guys really need to stop while you still have a tiny bit of credibility. Start planning your trips to running man and Coachella!


[-] 0 points by evol (14) 6 years ago

Hi there. I wanted to pass along this article I found - I feel it is incredibly important and needs to be read by those in this movement. It's titled: "Power To the People-The Economic Re-Wire", was written in 2007, and the link is: http://www.planetlightworker.com/articles_free/steverother/article18.htm

Please read, and spread!! Thank you. :)

[-] 0 points by elf1 (3) 6 years ago

Corporations are not anonymous - there are people behind them - it's time to call them out - how do you fight a war or strike a revolution when you don't know who your enemies are? We need an active list for every decision for every instance of the people bribing our government to subvert our rights. Diebold, Monsanto, Dow, Bank of America, Countrywide - where are the faces of the people bribing our politicians? Lobbying firms need to be staffed - who are the faces behind them? They are so large behind their logos - what if CEO's can't hide anymore - will they have to bare the culpability of their actions?....

[-] 0 points by elf1 (3) 6 years ago

Corporations are not anonymous - there are people behind them - it's time to call them out - how do you fight a war or strike a revolution when you don't know who your enemies are? We need an active list for every decision for every instance of the people colluding within our government to subvert our rights. Diebold, Monsanto, Dow, Bank of America, Countrywide - where are the faces of the people bribing our politicians? Lobbying firms need to be staffed - who are the faces behind them? They are so large behind their logos - what if they can't hide anymore - will they have to bare the culpability of their actions?

[-] 0 points by SuzannahBeTroy (28) 6 years ago

Breaking news 60 Wall Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2OFcErnB6A

[-] 0 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago
  • Imagine a better world.

  • Imagine a world where middle class citizens actually had a say in their society.

  • Imagine a world where the police protected the 99% instead of the 1%

[-] 0 points by barb (835) 6 years ago

Don't count on it getting police officers to see our side. Since 1981 when police officers actually cared about american citizens and they did follow their oath to serve and protect has changed drastically over the years. They only serve and protect themselves and this attitude comes from higher up in the chains of commands.

[-] 0 points by OWSMusic (57) 6 years ago

A song for the banksters on Wall Street... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FM3KR9dEOk

[-] -1 points by TheScreamingHead (239) 6 years ago

Occupy Xmas is now as well. Join the economic fight.