#OWS calls for nonviolent solidarity on November 17th
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 16, 2011, 7:14 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
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Actions like blocking the subway will only cause nuisance to the 99%. So actually to hurt the 1%, actions to be done are :
1) Boycott all Corporate Goods and Services.
2) Pull your money out of Corporate Banks and Investments.
3) Create and Support Alternatives,that threaten Corporation.
4) Enlighten others to Boycott.
What money or investments do they have? The only reason the movement even went this long was because of the free food and shelter. After the eviction all that stuff is finished.
Once OWS realizes that our political process is based on fascism, government in bed with big business, then they will get on the right track. By asking the government to step up entitlement programs, the fascist system still wins because the government takes more taxes and gets even more powerful. Our president is not a socialist, or a communist, he is a fascist just like the last republican was. They all continue the same programs but add their own little distinct taste of their political party accolades so we will continue to believe that they are on the democrap team or the republicon team. It is called the Hegellian Dialectic. You may read about it here..http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm. That being said, there will be elements of different political ideals such as marxism, socialism, and the likes intertwined into keeping this fascist system going, but in the end that is what it is, government in bed with big business. Wall Street is definitely partially to blame for the alliance they have created with the government by sending lobbyists to D.C. and paying off politicians. The bigger picture is the Federal Reserve, master banker of them all that keeps the printing press running so that these elitists can print enough dollars to keep the war machine running for eventual total world domination. We bomb these countries not to spread democracy, but to spread McDonalds, Walmart,etc.. What we need is capitalism, but not the so called capitalism we have now, it is not capitalism at all. We need freedom from government, and power back to the states. We need lobbyists out of D.C.. We need political campaigns run solely by public funding so each candidate who runs has an equal playing field and the same amount of money to run with, not the candidates with the most money win scenario like we have now. This is why the rich get richer, because they run the whole show. Corporations throw money at these politicians to gain favor, why do you think big banks never get to fail. Freedom is what we need, not more government. The last thing we want is to end the Federal Reserve and replace it with a bigger monster called the International Monetary Fund, or the World Bank. We need to introduce competing currencies like silver and gold to get this country back. He who prints the money makes the rules, we need to decentralize the monetary system. Anyway sorry to blabber, but we all really need to educate ourselves to the problems we face so we don't end up following the wrong flocks of sheep. OWS is on the right track partially, but they need to do some more research on the problem. It is not Wall Street specifically, but the cozy relationship that all big business and the banksters have with politicians. Please OWS, don't ask for more government, ask for less and Wall Street will be forced to get back in order.
RPalltheway... then, you are going to LOVE this:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/stop-the-corruption-on-wall-street/
( My web site sponsors 'The Petition', and has already gotten 4 investigations into GS Fraud, unfortunately they were only fined, THIS time.. 'The Petition' is demanding JAIL TIME!)
This 49 year old ex conservative mother wishes she could be there. This weekend I will be there with my young adult children. I live close to Washington DC so I usually attend the DC protest.
Great job delaying the opening bell. I am very sorry about the inconvenience to New Yorkers BUT Wall Street has inconvenienced the entire world. As the NYC casino eats filet mignon, my neighbors shop at the dollar store buying empty calories to feed their children.
Shameful.
One line soundbite quote from NYC "city spokesperson" says it all:
When asked why journalists were arrested on Canal Street with people who had come over as a result of the eviction of Zuccotti Park Occupy Wall Street, the NYC "city spokesperson" (unnamed) said:
And why I keep a pencil and paper handy.
Congrats on your two month mark! God bless you all today here in the United States and worldwide! Today we make yet another attempt to wake the living dead! I am with you in heart, thought, prayer and spirit! <333 Keep fighting the good fight! Keep it righteous! Keep it peaceful! Don't keep it secret! Embrace not disgrace!
I have empathy for CITIZENTODAY. However we must all ask ourselves how long do we allow this to go on? I just looked in my Wallet after making my Mortgage payment I have $30.00 to get to work this week. I say: BRING ON A DEPRESSION! LET IT ALL COLLAPSE! DESTROY ALL OF THE MONOPOLY MONEY and BRING BACK GOLD and SILVER! Plant a Garden and suck it up. Its worth it. The 1% will fall quickly when there money doesn't spend. Good luck to you OWS. Pick your battles and win them. Trust in your State Governments and Local governments. If your Local Governments become Tyrannical match force with force ie.(non-leatal weapons vs. non-leathal weapons) Get a hold of some gas masks, Make a Greek Phalanx in the street. Take back your City and State Governments!
ATTENTION OCCUPIERS IN ALL CITIES of THE US: now that the dispersals are starting, there is only ONE LOGICAL REACTION to the dispersals. MARCH TO WASHINGTON. every encampent that gets dispersed needs to regroup and MARCH TO WASHINGTON. that will put them in a bind. do they disperse and swell the movement marching to Washington or do they let the encampments grow? if you agree to this action, copy and paste now on your social networking sites. ORGANIZERS PLEASE HEAR OUT THIS PLAN.
Let the fists fly for the cause to everyone else you look like pussies! God damnit grow some balls!
the 1% sure has some balls...
How congress get's rich. http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Out-ebook/dp/B0062N35X8/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_3#reader_B0062N35X8
This movement is not doing enough to target the corrupt power brokers and fund managers who get rich of being channeled with large swathes of public taxpayers money, or teacher's pensions funds.
Examples of Madoff, Raj and many other funds in NYC exist where they contribute nothing to the economy except profiteer on insider trading or cushy connections.
Whilst the upper echelon in the banks that this movement has targeted obviously are grossly overpaid, a lot of innocent middle-management and day to day staff workers are also made to suffer.
It is common knowledge that ex-fund managers responsible for Bear Stearns and Lehman collapse, get away scot free and start up new billion dollar hedge funds with their pals and drive our country to the brink of destruction.
Ralph Cioffi & Matthew Tannin has gotten rich over book deals, Covepoint Capital spun off from Bear Stearns is still raking it in in NYC, Marex Spectron/JRG in London is still laughing their way to the bank.
These protests in subways won't affect their cab rides from their offices to the Upper East side counting their 50million, 100million dollar bonuses yearly.
We have to take it directly to the offices and away from the streets!
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Who gives you permits? Is this funded by Goldman Sachs?
occupywallstreet you don't have a clue how to debate with our government. our government is not scared of occupy. grow up. you people need some training, how about three years in the marine corp so you can grow some hair on your chest. you boys and girls need some real life experiences to fall back on. so far you haven't had to swim to the other side or die. life and death situations are much different from where you are today just ask any Egyptian. now keep on protesting and ask to meet with the governor. if the governor turns you down then go protest in front of his house for a meeting with him. that will get the press involved.
I have had to swim to the other side. I have the experience and the degrees. I'll be standing tall with my brothers and sisters in the morning. Get rested, big day tomorrow.
Your ignorance of current events is overwhelming. Obviously you have not heard how Veterans are returning from war and unable to find employment. "Life experience to fall back on"...thanks for the empty rhetoric.
You do realize that when you joined the service you were expected to uphold the constitution right? Not just whatever the government tells you to do.
A US citizen does not have to have read and know the constitution to enlist with the US military. You take an oath to follow your leaders orders. No you don't rape, steal, or kill the innocent.
A military member who is supposed to be protecting the constitution should know what the hell they're protecting.
I've went through this process. I know the oath, and what I just heard from you is absolutely disgusting.
You're a failure of a service member and should be immediately discharged.
I have my dd214 how about you? honorable
They're not scared of Occupy? Why is Homeland Security, the FBI, etc. are helping to coordinate massive law enforcement responses to people camping in public spaces? Why the goons in the riot gear to keep people from assembling and protesting?
rock on in Midtown! We the people.......
How very entrepreneurial.
This is just too good to be true.
If the poor were permitted to live like this, they'd be able to accumulate capital and get ahead -- unsurprisingly, such living conditions only turn out to be legal for migrant laborers, who are paid so little that they can't get ahead even living like that.
If you are wondering why this is world wide, then understand the Global initiative. You young folks are being targeted by the Socialists and Communists to bring the United States to a state of Chaos (Soviet Subversion tactic), Why? Because Russia wants to see the USA fall down on its knees and become subservient to Russia. If you think this will end with some pie in the sky dream of you being free, you are dead wrong.
If you continue they will declare a state of Martial Law and that is when the real pan for you young folks will start. At that point the constitution and your rights are suspended. The military can take any actions it deems necessary to control the situation, including violence and there is no one that can assist you once this starts. All communication will be shut down and you will be forced into curfew. Those who don't obey will be arrested or worse. Those arrested will face military investigation and trial for treasonous acts.
There is another way if you are serious about reseting this nation as a constitutional Republic. You should select representatives from among you (not any of the communists or socialists) and have them contact the tea party in your local area. The Tea part is not dedicated to any party as the press incorrectly reports. Its simply older citizens looking to return this country to a constitutional Republic by removing all non-constitutional communist and socialists programs and departments. I urge you to contact them, do not let this go sideways, do not allow your self to be deceived by the communists and socialists, it will get ugly and you will be caught up in the middle of violent conflict. There is simply no need for this to occur, we have an answer and a plan, you are voters and we can change this together. As a constitutional Republic you will have the freedom to move foreword as your heart desires and your skills allow. As a communist - Socialists state, you simply become one of the vast number of state owned slaves. Your very existence will be dominated and controlled by the state. There will be no freedom and there will be no voice with communism or socialism. Just a military state to kick your butt and tell you what you will do. And there will be no one to help you then..... You will be isolated .... and totally alone... helpless and much worse than your present condition.
Your actions are not working, you are actually hitting the folks you say you are attempting to assist and increasing the controversy between yourselves and the remainder of Americans. Your actions are being directed by Communists and Socialists who are planning a coup d'etat of the United States. Overthrowing he current government and turning the nation into a communist-socialists nation. This will bring civil war if it does not end here and you will decidedly loose, because the vase numbers of US citizens are not with your communist methods of creating chaos to overthrow the government.
If you are truly interested in freedom and restoring the Republic then contact your local tea party and with them there can be lasting peaceful change. They will assist you in learning how to peacefully take control of this nation and return it to its rightful state. The tea party is not Republican nor is it Democrat its constitutional in its base as were the founders of this nation. If you work together we can win and return if you continue, horrible atrocities await you at the end of a communist barrel. Please reconsider and start talking to your local tea part representatives, while you still have time Read up on soviet subversion and the state of crisis. you are being used by the communists and socialists looking for a coup d'etat in the USA and global socialism.
Gas mask...Shield....10ft Pole.
occupying subways are just going to make the 99% you represent suffer. bad move.
Focus on the horrific monetary policies by the Federal Reserve and the CRONY CAPITALISM NOT ....CAPITALISM. Then protest the Federal Reserve , The White House , Then protest the SEC. They allow these companies to essentially place all the bad bets then ask Americans to pay for it.
www.stopthepolicestateinthe.us/banking
The truth is if you do not have a complete understanding of the monetary system you are in the blind. I only ask each and every protester to learn the truth before you protest. go wwwdotstopthepolicestateinthedotusforwardslashbanking then you will know why you should be protesting the federal reserve and the white house.
About us in OccupyEdinburgh. We are doing OK, and getting on well with the local authorities. We are parked in St. Andrew's Square right outside the Royal Bank of Scotland World HQ. We have a large tent city and a big drop in centre. Last night, the kindly owners allowed us to stay, as long as we move some of the tents aside for their Christmas kiddies programs etc. That was considered fine by us, as our protest site is great!
We still look to #OWS as the inspiration of the Movement. It is because of you we are here. We are also impressed by the other Occupy sites in the US and overseas. :)
We are all following your brave protests. You are our inspiration. From Edinburgh.
Thank you for posting these live updates. This is a historical day. God Bless!
What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time around.
The more Non-Violent the 99%, the MORE powerful we Grow. ... Let those in Authority make the Mistakes.
Keep the WRONG Doing where it has rested all this time!
Let NO Protestor raise a hand in any way other than to defend against physical harm,.. and
.. THEY end up Proving our whole movement .
No different than the abusive Parent getting caught finally when the Bruises on the Victim are Exposed.
WE have Been Abused, and THEY are blaming us!
Violence=martial law=suspending the Constitution=they win, you lose. Keep it nonviolent if you want to create real lasting change.
Please use some common sense here. The 1% who need to get to work aren't going to be riding the subways. They're going to be taking their private car service. Blocking the subways and making it difficult for the average NYer to get around will only negate your cause. What if they are late to work and lose their jobs because of you? Seriously, that list of demands??? Come on people! If you want to be taken seriously you need to use your brains. While I agree with your cause, your methods are less than ideal. Go back to the think tank. And to Kevin77: Really?? The Thanksgiving Parade? Who are you hurting there except tourists (who contribute money to this city, thus creating jobs for the 99%) and children. Grow up.
why were my peaceful posts? who edits/ what are the rules? suspicious...
Please Occupiers, don't you realize that you are only hurting the 99%? Your tactics of blocking streets, bridges and subways only prevent the 99% from making a living, while the 1% go along their merry way. Please get some intelligent people to help you develop strategies that actually accomplish something productive. If your goal is mayhem and chaos, please look at other countries where anarchy reigns--I don't think you'd like to live there. Grow up!!! And I'm talking about you too, you former hippies. Please do some research, inform yourselves about who's really corrupt, and do the hard work of working within the system. What you are doing is easy, mostly unproductive and only hurts the "little guy".
Thanks for deleting my comment! What happened to the 1st? Oh wait the 1st only applies if it agrees with your view.
Just got back from OWS 7am march! Got caught in an unsafe police situation and had to bounce, but I will be back! It's still going strong, so head out there if you want to!
IF YOU'RE GOING TO OWS: Be alert, Be strong, Be smart about it. Take care of yourself and other people. There are HUNDREDS of NYPD out there using divide and conquer tactics (plus they are filming folks in a creepy way). But there are even more people engaged in direct action! It seems like there were some direct action tactics planned for today beyond what was announced on the website and that some folks are using the march as cover to occupy spaces and disrupt business as usual. It's awesome! But it's also hard to know what's going on, so there's a lot of room for miscommunication and arrests. Just make sure you don't get swept up into anything you're not comfortable with! :)
From a land abroad [historically known for its warring and well-financed neo-fascism, but is now in democracy; with an economy stabilized by a government regulating its financial institutions, and not the other way around; where complete social equality and justice is enjoyed by all minorities, including me; and where universal health care is a fact, at bare-minimal cost to all]: Thank you, my ultra-brave brothers and sisters, for the needed kick-start, in my native land. [Occupy Wall Street]
HERE'S WHAT YOU DO:
Create a frontline of people in nothing but business suits with protest signs. Conduct protests in the uniform of the 1%. Make the "suits" synonymous with subversion. Confuse the so-called "authorities." Make bankers appear untrustworthy to their own culture. Hack the social grid!
P.S. no beards, but bowties accepted. ;-)
If you want to win your battles tactically you must look to ancient times. Shields Masks and Staffs. Most of all.....You all need the discipline to stand as one. No matter how scared you are.
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Also, check out Eliot's Testimony at the NY Senate Judiciary Committee Hearings Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cw0gogF4Fs&feature=player_embedded and Part 2 @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apc_Zc_YNIk&feature=related and Christine Anderson Whistleblower Testimony @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlK73p4Ueo and Eliot Part 1 - The Iviewit Inventions @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOn4hwemqW0 Eliot for President in 2012 Campaign Speech 1 with No Top Teeth, Don't Laugh, Very Important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIHQDcwQfM Eliot for President in 2012 Campaign Speech 2 with No Top OR Bottom Teeth, Don't Laugh, Very Important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOP3U1q6mM
Thought that was crazy, try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mfWAwzpNlE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2ADE052D9122F5AD
Other Websites I like: http://www.deniedpatent.com http://exposecorruptcourts.blogspot.com http://www.judgewatch.org/index.html http://www.enddiscriminationnow.com http://www.corruptcourts.org http://www.makeourofficialsaccountable.com http://www.parentadvocates.org http://www.newyorkcourtcorruption.blogspot.com http://cuomotarp.blogspot.com http://www.disbarthefloridabar.com http://www.trusteefraud.com/trusteefraud-blog http://www.constitutionalguardian.com http://www.americans4legalreform.com http://www.judicialaccountability.org www.electpollack.us http://www.ruthmpollackesq.com http://www.VoteForGreg.us Greg Fischer http://www.liberty-candidates.org/greg-fischer/ http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vote-For-Greg/111952178833067 http://www.killallthelawyers.ws/law (The Shakespearean Solution, The Butcher)
-- "We the people are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
Fuck „nonviolent”. Do you think they can be stoped nicely? It is time to occupy the Wall Street for real. Smash the place, get them out of there, broke all the servers. This is revolution. They can be violent with the protesters but the protesters cant. I am not saying to punch people in the face, but you can destroy the place. Nobody will be hurt, just helping the 1% to be human again, like everybody else.
Violence means martial law, total government takeover. That is what OWS is suppossed to be fighting. Educate yourselves on the system, and work within the corrupt system to change it, have patience. Violence is the last thing you want to do. Patience and education is what is needed. The r3VOLution has made great strides in the past four years through patience and education and positive activism. That is why a certain republican candidate who I may not name on here has gotten so far this time around. He is not really a republican, he is a libertarian, but he works within the corrupt system to make change so he has to run as a republican. Don't be blind sheep, educate yourselves and then educate others, and work together to change things. Broken windows can be repaired, these buildings are insured. Break the corrupt political system and insure it with an educated mind, and by remaining active in politics. Just some advice.
I agree with you. Please start the violence. The quicker, the better. I think we are headed toward our our 2nd civil war in America and I can't wait!
It will be us patriotic Americans versus you dumbass communist libtards. I have my guns ready.
So go ahead. PLEASE start it. You will quickly learn that your so called 99% is actually only about 1% of our society. We have 300 million people in America and you loons only number in the thousands. Do the math dummy.
America would be a better place if we could cleanse it of you idiots.
Who is talking about guns? you moron. If you think that inert lifeless goods (like NYSE building and some electronic money) is equivalent to human life you must be insane. What is more important? Goods or life? I personally choose life. Can you see more then 2 feet in front of you? I think obviously not. So, stick your gun in to your asshole. Maybe than you can see the big picture, because you, and morons like you, are already in that situation.
Scumbag criminal comment. Vandalism/arson like the rightie thugs in Oakland.
All violence would do is create a minor inconvenience for the 1%. It would cause real suffering for small businesses and their employees and would lead to a further erosion of public opinion. Non violence is the only option. We must be the change we want to see.
I am saying that there is more options. Kick the 1% where hurts most. The only thing that the filthy rich cares about is their properties. Lets burn that. What is so violent in that? Nobody will die for that. If liberty means to burn down the NYSE and some rich guy properties lets do it. We are already the change we want to see, but you can not change the rich. Make them to loose all they have, make them to be human-being. Is a good thing for them, only that they do not know it yet.
I support nonviolence as a tactic, or a strategic approach that is what is called for in this time and place. I don't endorse nonviolence as a religion nor as something that must be adhered to at all costs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmlujV-TvU
Non-violence is how you win. The only way you can win.
Our government goes around the world to preach to other nations about freedom and human rights. It secretly and openly supports dissidents, protesters and outright rebels in other countries. It readily warns the authorities in other countries to leave their protesters alone. Yet, here in America, it crackdowns on its protesters mercilessly. If this is not hypocrisy, what is? No country will be willing to listen to the US bullshit anymore.
http://mayorbloombergkingofnewyork.blogspot.com/2011/11/st-vincents-activists-join.html Good luck and please join us for a peaceful half hour protest in front of St Vincent’s 1:00 for a half-hour a die in. Rudin family greed destroying what is left of the Village that NYU didn’t destroy. NYU mega-dormed the East Village to death and zone busting luxury hotels and condos followed thanks to vile socialite city planner Amanda the People’s Burden with a 40 million dollar trust for her kids. She approves every shady corrupt zone busting deal for her pals yes Cooper Union and eminent domain abuse including Columbia University’s.
The Occupy Wall Street protesters are constantly challenged and insulted to get a job. There are the accusations that they are disrupting the work routine of those employed. All these are rubbish.
When you work in a system that is faulty, you are contributing to the faulty system and the sufferings of all the people affected by it. To those how are proud that they have work, do they not realize that they are helping companies to cheat and grow so huge debts that these companies become too big to fail? While you little people slog and sweat for pittance, those executives in those "too big to fail" companies earn huge bonuses. Is this something to be proud of? Those of us who work to change the system should be the one to feel proud. We are not motivated by money, not driven by selfishness. We work for free, for all.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/34427/martial_arts_aikido_techniques/
I didn't expect any good from USA in this century and now here comes a big surprise. I still can't understand how this - sorry for that - brainwashed society could come up with such noble idea that decent state should take care of every human. Please don't stop. Greetings form Poland where this simple idea is long forgotten.
this is not a protest, this is dissent... because of the situation today, we need to continue to show the world how to do it, we have brave people in the mideast that have been lied to forever, are making their own society, we, usa, remake our democracy...
The MTA should bring back the daily unlimited passes!
Two comments on the issue. I support any activities that occur that do NOT prevent/restrict travel. Many of the 99% take the subway to get to/from work (if they are fortunate enough to have a job), to/from job interviews (if they are lucky to get one), or to/from picking up their children from day care. If traffic is blocked, we'll lose support of many. Secondly, I hate the fact that the MTA always raises fares but do not accept pennies in their vending machines nor with the customer service agents. I am broke and unemployed and EVERY penny counts! Pennies are U.S. currency and should be accepted!!! Worst case scenario, they can invest in a coin counter in their agent booths. I'm so sick and tired of these fare hikes and they won't even accept our money. EVERY PENNY COUNTS!!!!
One does not need to be religious to understand and embrace the idea, the ideal, that "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." But in their blind greed and schemes, the 1% has closed its eyes and has forgotten what the word "society" should really mean. Because of Occupy Wall Street and its offshoots, we are finally talking less about CUTS and more about BLEEDING. Instead of shouting for more budget cuts -to be borne by the middle class and poor- we are FINALLY focusing on the shameful bleeding that the poor and middle class has experienced for all too long. Instead of talking about even more cuts in the taxes of millionaires...we are now talking about fairness and justice - about an economy and a political system that is run for the rich, and by the rich. Instead of talking about LESS government , we are talking about a government that WORKS FOR ALL OF US, not just a favored few. Thank you OWS, for reminding us that people -ordinary working people- really DO matter, and for helping open our eyes to what’s really going on in this country. Thank you OWS, for standing up for the workers, and for those looking for work, and for those that will graduate or come back from war ...and find no work. Thank you OWS, for standing your ground, for enduring illegal beatings and arrests - non-violently. Thank you OWS, from all of us who can’t be there in person, from all of us who are working two and three jobs just to keep up, from all of us struggling to raise our children, or caring for our elderly, or just trying to live with some dignity.....while the rich become richer and more powerful, at our expense. The 1% are running this economy. Indeed, they’re running it right into the ground - with their get rich schemes, their shipping of jobs overseas, their tax evasions, and their cuts in social programs. You inspire and motivate us OWS. You strengthen us, and give us hope. And we’re damn PROUD OF YOU! This land IS our land! AND WE WANT IT BACK! We want our FUTURE back! But it’s much more than mere words.... it’s much more than just politics..... it’s your freakin’ LIFE, and how you want to live it, and how you WILL live it. The time has come to choose....to risk...and to act. If not now...then when? If not you, then....who? You DO have the power my friend. Don’t let your dreams die.
I agree, OWS could be a great thing, if it chooses to be. We need to take the power back to the states and decentralize government. It is a lot easier to limit power and greed at a local level then it is at a federal level. We need less government, less lobbyist and corporate influence in our political culture. We don't need to tax more, we need to get the damn corporations out of our government, that is why this 1% gets so rich, it is not a tax problem, it is a corruption problem. More taxes just gives more power to government. How about publicly funded campaigns to all candidates so they all have the same amount of money to run on, or a more balanced media that does not try to push candidates that their corporate masters want to have win. If you watch these so called news stations, Fox, NBC, CBS, you can see that they all collude together to push who they want to have win elections. Trust me, they have candidates on both teams, republicon and democrap. They run the whole show, from the news to the money supply to politics to corporations, it is all one tangled web. Bill Clinton passed laws allowing media companies to monopolize the news. Meaning one newspaper company could own all the main newspapers for every state, and own television news media. That sounds very convenient to help push an agenda. Or Bush pushing no child left behind allowing the government to indoctrinate our children further while at school. If you start researching these things it all starts to come together. The whole system is corrupt. There are so many things we have to change, but we have to turn off "their" entertainment (the television) and get active and educated and unite under liberty and freedom!!!!
Isn't it dangerous to clog a subway? If anything happens underground, the people can't get out easily.
Whose Police?
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-police-bloomberg.html
'Mic checked' the police? You guys sound like Scientologists with your 'occupyspeak'. Good grief.
you know what mic check meant before occupy right? http://mic-check.urbanup.com/525655
cuz it kinda looks like a microphone.
This group - OWS - does nothing more than censor comments they disagree with. Hippocrits! Shame on you OWS!!
socialism baby! take a look at N. Korea. of course they wouldn't want you to think that was where they're heading because they don't know it themselves
Censor: to delete (a word or passage of text); an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio, television programs, letters, websites, etc., for the purpose of surpressing parts deemed objectable on moral, political, military or other grounds etc.
If there actually was censorship happening on OWS website I dare say your response (as well as many others) would be deleted (already) as well. At first I thought things were being deleted (actually just mine) but I realized comments get compressed after so many are posted. Scroll down the screen and look for your handle and click the + (plus sign) to expand your comments and reponses to your comments.
Cheers,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
"keep on protesting and ask to meet with the governor. if the governor turns you down then go protest in front of his house for a meeting with him. that will get the press involved."
^^ this guy is correct. Or protest Washington DC itself. The politicians are a big part of it
good luck tomorrow!
I had a friend tell me, omg they are going to shut down the subways and stop people from going to work!!! I just saw it on the news. haha...so i checked it out, since it doesnt seem to be the ows movements I know. the subway thing is from 3:00 to 4:45 (foley square at 5pm) hmmm maybe he meant going home from work. hahha i would love to see someone from ows blocking someone who is getting on a subway....so funny,
yeah, the "99%" is gonna see just how small they are. they act like they're a majority in their thinking. if they do this stunt they will get CRUSHED.
The WALL STREET Connection To Our Corrupt Government... Still don't know why we are OCCUPYING WALL STREET? Maybe this will clue you in.. If we were to partake of "Non Public Inside Trading", as the Politicians do, we could also become rich ...with one difference... We would end up in PRISON! You may ask, well then, why are they not in prison? . SIMPLE! They have set the laws so that it is legit for them to have access to NON PUBLIC inside trading information and to act accordingly. Which means if a bill came up, that was good for the country, they would vote it down if it could possibly negatively effect their stock. A few congressmen have attempted to get a Bill entered that would put a stop to this but no one would back them. Even though it would have done wonders for their political backing.... $$ before the public and our country... These sort of politicians need to go..Spread the word.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95uC_wzUX4&sns=fb TOO many of our politicians are only there for the quick money and not their country... Gone are those days..We need to make it so that that is all they could possibly be there for...Also make them have the same health insurance and no salary for life..So what if they put in time "for their country" ..Look at all the service men and women who died for their country and their families are awarded NOTHING... Do ya see the big picture now?
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I pray this huge, and puts the 1% on notice that they can't stop us from taking our country back!!!
How can tomorrow be huge when most are at work?
Like a 5-year old kid grabbing the wheel of mom's station wagon while she's on the highway, none of you would know how to run a country and lead a nation. Fantastic strategy.
None? Try all of us. Millions of protestors together, shaking the foundations of the corrupt system, and demanding peacefully for a fundamental change. In their number are countless political scientists, economists, historians, and lawyers. More massed expertise than ever witnessed before by mankind, united globally in the quest for social justice and societal reform.
If we are 5 year olds to you, then so be it.
Let the children take the reigns. It's time the real heart and sole of humanity, our children, led.
When we are born we don't know how to talk but we still learn, we also learn to walk, to read, to drive a car, we learn science, math, and history. Many of us have gone on to higher education. We may not know everything now, but we can and will learn. We aren't the type of people that throw our hands up in defeat when we realize that there are people that know more than us, we learn from them. This is basic survival of the fittest.
Also, what makes you think that among all those protesters there isn't at least one political science, history, law, or economics graduate that can't find work? ; )
I teach these 5 year olds at the university level, and I can say definitively that they are the heart and soul of this nation. I hear more good ideas out of these "children" then I do from our corrupt leaders, on a daily basis. I actually like your analogy though, maybe it does take someone grabbing the wheel and wrecking the system before we can rebuild. I support everything these kids are doing, and I would be down there with them if I could.
Who do you believe knows how to run a country and "lead" a nation? Our government has been bankrupted, our economy is in ruins and you are calling activists incompetent? Not to mention that the wars in the Midldle East are hardly over...who do you think is paying for the thousands of contracting firms that will remain in Iraq? U.S. If our laws supported the rights of people then we would have to power to run it.
Whatever charm had existed in this "movement" has been flushed out like so many lice from the park - oh, and speaking of the park - you can chant like babies all day - "whose park? our park!" but it's it's NOT your park - it's private property, idiots. So grow up, go home - or just go away - the world -- 99% of it anyway - is now officially sick and tired of you.
The police are there to protect and serve everyone regardless of affiliation. I applaud the NYPD and the Mayor for putting the security of the public as the top priority of the day. If you peacefully protest you might not get arrested. If you clean up after yourselves and not literally crap in the street the police would not have to raid the protest to clean the park. If you didn't infringe on other people's daily commute you might not get arrested. And by the way go to http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=98123,00.html you would actually get your facts straight about how mach in taxes the "rich" pay. The top 1% of income earners pays 37% of total income tax revenue to the IRS. The top 5% pays 58% of the income tax revenue. That means that 5% of the income tax paying population is paying for over half of the money to the IRS. They also are getting taxed at a rate of up to 35%. They also pay taxes on capital gains as well. So I suggest you that next Thursday you be thankful that the “rich” are paying the majority of the burden for entitlement programs like education, Medicare, government housing, and yes the police and military who sacrifice day in and day out for YOUR safety and mine. Also, do a little research about how the top earners also give more to charitable organizations then about half the population. After you do your research you tell me how the “rich” are greedy after you do your research, and look at the greed that you are portraying by your actions today. Mine you this statement is being made by a former liberal! All your demands sound great in theory till you get out in the real world and have to work to support a family with the lifestyle they deserve. You are responsible for your actions. If you make poor financial decisions you have no one to blame but yourself. If you take out a loan you have a responsibility to pay that loan back. Remember that the real world might not let you get a $150,000 salary if you’re not willing to earn it. And just because you spent 100,000 on an education that doesn’t mean you’ll get a $100,000 job.
Eat Shit. Ever read anything real about the American Revolution asshole? Maybe you just want us to be Roman slaves.... Screw you and your tea party bullshit. Those of us that are willing will meet you on the field. Like the real SONS OF LIBERTY. Sic Sempar Taranus!
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OWS plans to inflict huge pain on fellow New Yorkers on Nov. 17. Oppose this movement! It is motivated by anarchy. It does not care about the 99%.
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You occupiers are not the 99%, your a fringe .02 % if your lucky. The rest of us are just watching you laughing.
Do what you want to do....
To the undercover/overt law "enforcers" and unhappy individuals that are so terrified of this movement as to attempt to clog the comments with unabashed nervousness of change that it reeks "yellow belly" stench....I will continue,as other Occupiers, with creating the change necessary for a truly egalitarian world; where resources are protected, nurtured and shared with every living individual on this planet. Creating a world filled with individuals no longer bound to the false notion that a piece of paper with a politician's face on it is an actually resource (unless you count it a great camp fire starter, wall paper or building insulation). I do this for you, those who are scared of the great and growing movement, your children, family, friends and all others; And I pray that you join the Occupy Movement here and worldwide for your children, parents, extended family, friends and strangers....the same strangers who are a part of this movement for you!
Cheers xoxo,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
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Dear freeusa
Thank you for participating in your right of freedom of speech. I do agree that there are those who believe that life should be or is naturally unequal. Luckily that is an extremely small percentage :-). I have seen so many hard working individuals being laid off due to automated machinery replacing, saving corporations money yet starving out hard working individuals, lack of company money etc. Growing up I have experienced the "receiving handouts" as well "donating time/materials" to those in need. I have also experienced a "rich country" vs a "poor country" and again have donated time/material in each country on a regular bases. I have lived "hand to mouth" as well as "financial secure". I myself have worked in fields ranging from fast-food, cleaning out rent houses, landscaping, college aide, wind turbin repair, etc, while presently a life coach. At one point I did work for the government "scientifically"; unfortunately even though I did have the education required for the position, the main reason I obtained the position was because of who I knew. My experience and observations in/of "government positions" has proved to be a "who you know hiring basis". I also was a member of "Explorers Law Enforcement" group back in high school and again I got to witness first hand how those "government officials" behave and treat citizens as well as practicing illegal activities... sadly detoured me from my goal of becoming a police officer once I realized that my "Idealism" of "Protect and Serve the Citizen" was not being practiced within the confines of this governmental entity. And sadly the last year and a half years I have been sexually, verbally, psychologically and physically harassed multiple times by our "border patrol" while crossing back over after going donating material goods. I'm not sure how often you travel to a third world country, my experience has repeatedly shown that native 99%ers desire an egalitarian world. They too have crooked governmental officials (though it is more openly acknowledged), which I witnessed twice. Since I have witnesses multiple times illegal acts among government officials I realize that change happens outside of those entities that would rather maintain the status quo because strategically that is what is best for the 1%. Of course I also know this from studying history, which repeats the same patterns pertaining to revolutionary change. I recommend that you study and physically experience this for yourself, that way you prove or disprove the validity of my statements. Fear of change is usually based on the unknown and inexperienced.
Cheers xoxo
Lisa Marie Chadwick
On a side note that I think you may find interesting that was a response to another post
Thankfully I understand what it is like to work physically hard as well as sitting in an air conditioned office and also can appreciate the impact of being laid off. Unfortunately the "out sourcing" you mention strategically is the smartest move in a "capitalistic society", and since it the 1% that has made the decision to negatively impact their fellow citizens (an issue for every country) by the mishandling of native resources etc. then it is up to the 99% to strategically impact the 1%'s source of power in a " capitalist society". Initially is best done through public protesting (for example: the civil rights movement, women's right to vote, the protests against the Vietnam War, US Civil War just to name a few). Let me remind you that "Bring our jobs back" has been the outcry for the past few years to only be ignored. So these protests are the next historically logical step to any societal problem that is being ignored by those who claim a seat of elite power over the masses. By impacting the 1% source of power i.e. money via closing banking accounts, reducing the amount of money put into circulation ( which really doesnt exist anyways, I recommend researching how money is fundamentally created) etc puts pressure on the 1% because there ceases to be an urgency for the 99% to do the 1%'s bidding thus influencing the survival mechanism of the 1% to do as the 99% bids i.e. Job Outsourcing Cessation etc. I believe you may like the documentary "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" on YouTube. This explain how our government has been literally making money out of thin air thus impacting the 99% economy...our lives. The video runs about 3 hours. I believe you will find this documentary of great interest. Of course I recommend that after you watch the video to research the information presented for yourself so as to prove or disprove the validity of the documentary for yourself.
What fresh hell is this comment section?
To the undercover/overt law "enforcers" and unhappy individuals that are so terrified of this movement as to attempt to clog the comments with unabashed nervousness of change that it reeks "yellow belly" stench....I will continue,as other Occupiers, with creating the change necessary for a truly egalitarian world; where resources are protected, nurtured and shared with every living individual on this planet. Creating a world filled with individuals no longer bound to the false notion that a piece of paper with a politician's face on it is an actually resource (unless you count it a great camp fire starter, wall paper or building insulation). I do this for you, those who are scared of the great and growing movement, your children, family, friends and all others; And I pray that you join the Occupy Movement here and worldwide for your children, parents, extended family, friends and strangers....the same strangers who are a part of this movemnment for you!
Cheers xoxo,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
Thanks alot but you are not doing anything for me. Iam one of the 66% that doesnt agree eith you or your movement. I dont have the same ideals that you have and really do not appreciate a movement that assumes im to stupid to come up with my own. Do i think the government needs to be fixed? Yes, but i beleive it needs to beone in a different way. Do i believe in a capitslist society yes. I just domtbelieve the government should be aloud to take money, goods etc from these people. Having a good idea and being able to sell and make a profit from this idea is the american way. Taking that idea and out sourcing the jobs without paying a tarrif ie the free trade agreements is wrong. That is what the american people should be screaming about. That is why so many are without jobs...scream at the top of your lungs about that and i will gladly join you but not about the communistic ideas that i see on this web sight. "BRING OUR JOBS BACK " needs to be your rally cry ..not sit own your butt and letthers work for you. Thats the other thing wrong with our government to muchis given to thise who will not work it makes people laxy and unmotivated and their children learn the same thing the the teachers in our schools are asked to motivate them. How? They have learned their whole lives that they can do nothing and get something. If people knee they had to workto eat that would get them off their lazy butts.
Sorry about the typing errors. Big fingers small keyboard.
Dear teachkat,
I appreciate your passionate and sincere response. I do agree that there are those who are lazy. Luckily that is an extremely small percentage :-). I have seen so many hard working individuals being laid off as of lately due to automated machinery replacing, saving corporations money yet starving out hard working individuals, lack of company money etc. I myself have worked in fields ranging from fast-food, cleaning out rent houses, landscaping, college aide, wind turbin repair, etc, while presently a life coach. Thankfully I understand what it is like to work physically hard as well as sitting in an air conditioned office and also can appreciate the impact of being laid off. Unfortunately the "out sourcing" you mention strategically is the smartest move in a "capitalistic society", and since it the 1% that has made the decision to negatively impact their fellow citizens (an issue for every country) by the mishandling of native resources etc. then it is up to the 99% to strategically impact the 1%'s source of power in a " capitalist society". Initially is best done through public protesting (for example: the civil rights movement, women's right to vote, the protests against the Vietnam War, US Civil War just to name a few). Let me remind you that "Bring our jobs back" has been the outcry for the past few years to only be ignored. So these protests are the next historically logical step to any societal problem that is being ignored by those who claim a seat of elite power over the masses. By impacting the 1% source of power i.e. money via closing banking accounts, reducing the amount of money put into circulation ( which really doesnt exist anyways, I recommend researching how money is fundamentally created) etc puts pressure on the 1% because there ceases to be an urgency for the 99% to do the 1%'s bidding thus influencing the survival mechanism of the 1% to do as the 99% bids i.e. Job Outsourcing Cessation etc. I believe you may like the documentary "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" on YouTube. This explain how our government has been literally making money out of thin air thus impacting the 99% economy...our lives. The video runs about 3 hours. I believe you will find this documentary of great interest. Of course I recommend that after you watch the video to research the information presented for yourself so as to prove or disprove the validity of the documentary for yourself.
Cheers xoxo
Lisa Marie Chadwick
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Just be prepared for anything and help each other out. always think of a plan B and know where your exits are in case something happens. It broke my heart to see that 82 year old lady in Seattle after she was sprayed. You all be safe.
To the undercover/overt law "enforcers" and unhappy individuals that are so terrified of this movement as to attempt to clog the comments with unabashed nervousness of change that it reeks "yellow belly" stench....I will continue,as other Occupiers, with creating the change necessary for a truly egalitarian world; where resources are protected, nurtured and shared with every living individual on this planet. Creating a world filled with individuals no longer bound to the false notion that a piece of paper with a politician's face on it is an actually resource (unless you count it a great camp fire starter, wall paper or building insulation). I do this for you, those who are scared of the great and growing movement, your children, family, friends and all others; And I pray that you join the Occupy Movement here and worldwide for your children, parents, extended family, friends and strangers....the same strangers who are a part of this movemnment for you!
Cheers xoxo,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
Far more of us are in support of Occupy than you know, whether we acknowledge it or not, whether we know it or not. We are inspired by your courage and pray for your safety!
Dear PhiliaToo,
Thank you for being a couragous person by sharing your opinion. It is for you, myself and the citizens around the world that I partake in the Occupy Movement. Thank you for unmeasuarable support and for being an inspiration yourself!
Cheers xoxo,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
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I love the idea of targeted actions like shutting down Wall Street. I truly believe that these are the actions that most concern the authorities, and the governmental agencies which serve the 1%. We've already seen in NYC and Oakland that there are thousands more law enforcement personnel dedicated to eradicating the HORROR OF CAMPING than there are investigating financial abuses. Give 'em hell, New York! And thank you sincerely for all that you've accomplished in the last 2 months.
Be strong!
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They have already announced that there will be riot police ready to stop the movement from happening. Please be safe everyone, i know we come in from a non violent stand, but i feel like the police, and or inflitrators, presumming to be part of the movement, will try to instigate for a riot to start so they can call forth martial law and/ or the armed forces. Let's hope we knock some sense into these people in a rational manner! Best of luck brothers and sisters, stay attentive, be safe!
If one notices another OWS acting out in a physically aggressive manner towards police then just assume that individual is not a member of the OWS and just ignore that aggressive individual and continue in a non-physically aggressive protest. If police are only arresting aggressive individuals then they will only be arresting their own (infiltrators). History around the world repeatedly shows that past governments used such tactics especially within the last 70 years. An interesting idea would be if some OWS were dressed more akin to Police officers uniform...it would cause some confusion among their ranks, especially if the unknowing officers saw one of their "own" helping members of the OWS. This wouldn't be to hard to accomplish, especially since these "law enforcement" individuals wanted, tested and hired for have "higher" levels of a "conformists/follower" mentality...in essence "lemmings". This would require a rather large number...perhaps 25-50 OWS dressed as such, and stay closely knitted together. If police officers saw a large group of "other police officers" joining the movemnment and helping and protecting the OWS, I dare say it would help influence the police. What is "legal" for the police is "legal" for us.
Cheers xoxo
Lisa Marie Chadwick
What the 99% of the protesters should do is teach the State of New York a lesson that people will never forget and always will remember. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade just too show the World how strong you really are,then people will start believing.
I part of OWS and think that is a bold move. are you going to organize this sort o action?
OWS is obviously a group of disgruntled hicksters from middle-america who dreamed of making it rich in ceramics, puppetry, fine arts, or whatever – only to see their dreams vanquished by the current recession. And now they’re simply facing the tough reality that they've made horrible idiotic decisions in life, so they want the govt to bail them out by paying back their student loans for them since they're unemployable. Imagine going to school for something that would help you contribute to society! But no - can't be a doctor, or a scientist, an engineer, a lawyer. No, those aren't cool jobs that allow you to comment on Gawker on the internet all day and play around on facebook uploading vintage-looking photos from the party in Bushwick last weekend.
Own up to your mistakes. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to take on debt for useless degrees and no one held guns to your parent’s heads and forced them to buy mcmansions in suburban CIncinnati that are now worthless. Obviously a lot of you are the offspring of parents who were unable to pay their mortgages, made poor financial decisions, etc. It makes perfect sense - the apples don't fall far from the tree out there in ol' Ohio, right?
Face it, you are not the 99%! You are maybe now part of the 8% or so who comprise a great part of the unemployable permanent underclass in our society. So please leave NYC. We’re glad you were able to experience our city for a short time. We hope you had fun. Now please - go back where you came from. You're not entitled to camp out in a privately owned place where real NYers live their lives and pay taxes.
10s of thousands protesting? Really? Wow! Out of a country of 310 Million? Lets be extremely generous and say you have 50,00 protesters nationwide. Out of 350M what % is that? You are 0.00016% of our population! Will you please get a clue and walk right on over to the Port Authority – hit he road and stop looking for handouts from NYC? Thanks!
Almost forgot - try that shit in the subway tomorrow - holding doors open or whatever you think will be fun and disruptive to people (the real 99%, not your pitiful backwoods 0.00016%) and you'll see how actual NYers with jobs respond to you bored out of town hicksters with nothing better to do. Try that shit in Morrisiana with the bros in the Bronx or in Gravesend with the guidos and lets see how it works for you. Oh yeah, I forgot - you've never heard of those places since you're all hicksters from middle-america who’ve only ridden the L train from Lower Manhattan to Bushwick since you came here 2 mos ago.
And by the way - full disclosure - I agree with most of what you protest for. You've just managed to do it in a backwards way typical of the people who you've employed to take part in your little campout and set normal people like us back even more. And nice job censoring all the comments you don't agree with. It would be wonderful to have jerkoffs like you in power. Thank god we don't have to worry about that...
Dear rocknewtown,
I think you are a very unique individual, being able to "straddling the fence" some perhaps would describe as. Though I understand how easy it can be to generalize about a group (or race, sexes, countries etc) I thought you might find joy knowing that I am an Occupier who paid off all college debt and credit card debit. I own my house outright and my vehicle is completely paid off. The great news is that I am not the only Occupier that got a hold of their finances etc. :-) I have been on the other end of the stick, growing up on food stamps off an on depending on layoffs, receiving used toys for Christmas, later excessive school loans, credit card debt etc. Because of my experience in both worlds (hand to mouth poor and financial secure),as well as observing others in the either or/or back and forth (born into it, layoffs and downsizing) I realized logistically that if our money/economic continued/continues in the manner that it has been ran down too, that it will essentially collapse...much like a snake eating itself. But don't take my word for it...I recommend watching the documentary "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward". It is approximately 3 hours long and informative; but even after watching that I recommend studying the intricate workings of The Fed to truly find out for yourself.
Cheers,
Lisa Marie Chadwick
Censor: to delete (a word or passage of text); an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio, television programs, letters, websites, etc., for the purpose of surpressing parts deemed objectable on moral, political, military or other grounds etc. Seeing as your comment is still posted among others, you haven't been censored.
If there actually was censorship happening on OWS website I dare say your response (as well as many others) would be deleted (already) as well. At first I thought things were being deleted (actually just mine) but I realized comments get compressed after so many are posted. Scroll down the screen and look for your handle and click the + (plus sign) to expand your comments and reponses to your comments.
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Since you are local, come down and see for yourself that OWS is populated by all kinds of people, including doctors, lawyers, people with jobs, people with families, and yes, even bankers and financiers, some of whom drop by after work. Your view of who we are is, quite simply, mistaken. A lot of us are donating time, money, energy on top of everything else we do, raising kids, going to jobs. Sorry to disappoint you.
You only disappoint yourselves. And most likely your children someday who will be saddled with your debts once you die of adult onset diabetes in your late 40s. Reject.
So much venom, so little intelligence. For every one person like you, there are ten of us who support this and will defend their right to demonstrate. So be careful!
Of course you have a right to demonstrate. So does the tea party. Doesn't mean you're both not fringe idiots. Go back to art school for another MFA and accumulate some more debt. Suckers like you are the people who bought into the American dream that has crushed people linked to OWS' hopes.
FYI...In my training of pepper (OC) spray, there are two types, oil base and water base. with oil, you cannot use water to wash it off. it stays on your face and when the effects are over, when you take a shower later, water will re-activate it. Water base will wash out with water. What they told us was to always cary a bottle of baby shampoo to wash it off in case we spray ourselves. I was lucky enough to never need to use baby shampoo on myself, but that is what I was told in OC Spray training. FYI
http://occupywallst.org/forum/hosni-bloombarak/
Shutting down the subway is a bad move. It will turn a lot of people away from your cause. Be smart. Don't hurt the people you claim to represent. Take over Wall St. -- that's where the robber -barrons are.
In 1764 England passed a law which prohibited the American colonies from printing their own money. It would be eleven years later before the Revolutionary War would start in 1775. For years, the Federal Reserve has replaced England and slowly destroyed our society by replacing our silver backed currency with their debt based currency. For every dollar they issue, the more us citizens owe in taxes. Revolutions start slowly. Keep up the good fight OWS.
May the creative forces that define our existence continue to bless you May the perceived divine destiny of this movement find full expression in your actions tomorrow. My gratitude for all my brothers and sisters who are struggling for the spirit of humankind is as precious to me as the air I breathe. Although I cannot join you tomorrow, I will live my day in your honor and send you my thoughts and share my pride with everybody I can. I pray for your safety and for your victory. All my love...Ken Vallario
We will overcome . . . someday. Deep in my heart I still believe. But people need to be committed for the long haul. No more retreat into passivity and narcissism. We need to recognize the fundamental changes we need to make in our own behavior, our personal lives (how much do we contribute to the consumer culture that underpins the Wallshington power structures? To what extent have we stood silently by, content to live in our own secure bubbles, ignoring the corruption and the exploitation of corporate capitalism and the human suffering it has caused? The middle class is hurting now; students are realizing that the future that they have been promised is a total lie. Shedding these illusions is healthy. Though outrage is warranted, it needs to be tempered by self-awareness and humility. We can't overcome if we resort to methods that dehumanize those whom we seek to change. We must change ourselves as we engage in the process of changing the world. This is the true revolution.
You not getting anywhere ignoring new information. Its about ignoring people on earth who would like to give information about technology and social ways to do things, instead of be slave what lots of people like to be now.
If you would like to get out of cage, you could right now but all of want to live in matrix, so we die with technology what we have because we keep destroying earth.
Is it fun.... maybe lots of people don't understand how serious that question is. Some of it will be fun because they have not respected their lives anytime, because they have given their lives allready to someone else use. How funny that is then, everyone giving their LIFE FOR NOTHING. Nothingness is nothing, its empty and its dark and cold and there is no life or soul or anything in that place.
Is it fun that you all want deceive yourselves because you want feel some sort of "happy brain masturbations" little time and then more and more and more and soon your head is filled with angels and hobbits who walking around and in circle and singing rainbow songs.
Seriously people, now get off from dreamland, earth is dieing.
Do you want get technologically and socially advanced?
Do you care about earth future?
What about future generations, do you care do they born or what kind shape you leave earth for them?
I would just love for one individual that is apart of this "movement" to clearly spell out how attempting to shut down the NYSE and the subways tomorrow is going to in anyway positively impact the everyday people that are trying to get to work? These are the same people you call the "99%" that you apparently represent in your "cause". How does blocking their ability to get to work and commute around their home city benefit them? Please only leave logical answers and spare me the nonsensical rambling you learned from The Matrix about "freeing one's mind" or "creating an awakening". Restricting someone's ability to freely go to work and earn a paycheck is a complete oxymoron to the "restoring democracy and freedoms" you all preach about.
If you were to get hit by a bus tomorrow, would your dying thought be, "I wish I had worked more hours and made more money?"
I asked someone what they did for a living, and they told me what they did for work. I asked another person and they said they were retired. Retired from living??? Since when has our means on how we make money become so deeply ingrained in who we are in American society, that we equate it to "living?" No one talks about spending time with family, helping out in the community, spending time in nature...no that's what they do in their "free time." I guess the "other time" is "imprisoned time." I'd venture to say it's that "free time" that we all hope will give us a sense of serenity when we are gasping for our last breaths of air at death's doorstep. You know memories that made life a true gift. No, but it's become making money that occupies a majority of our time and energy whether actively engaged or passively contemplated. Will you think about your last raise when you are about to die? How many hours you spent for your company maybe? Hmm, we get one life. Can you honestly say you occupy 99% of that life living it in a way that will be meaningful to you when you die? I hope you make it to work safely and on time tomorrow my friend.
This is exactly my point, not even in one sentence did you explain what attempting to shut down Wall St. and the subways would do to benefit the "99%". Instead you pushed your own self righteous rhetoric that in no way shape or form applies to my question.
Oh and just in case your curious, I have a very rich and meaningful life outside of work that I will be able reflect back on as I get older with no regrets. I'll also be able to do that with a bank account full of money that I worked extremely hard to earn by getting to work on time.
Yay~ OWS is 2 months old. Let's celebrate!!
Lets do this tomorrow. If you are deciding whether to be there, then decide. Be on the side of America's future.
To all OCW in NYC and everywhere; Please be very careful and keep it nonviolent. Law Enforcement would not hesitate to create another Tianeman Square. Stay tuned.....
i was talking to my mom in her room about school and stress and such, and i saw she had fox on. there was an anchor making comments about how the protest it dead and there is no one at liberty square and bloomberg was right and then they showed a video of some ignorant protester yelling about Thursday and how we should be violent and riot. the nypd seeing the youtube video arrested him for terrorist threats, there trying to make the movement look dead and equating it with terrorism. i left the room really bothered then cried to myself, why cant we just get behind a movement that helps people, how come this guy gets charged for this video but the tons of cops on video beating people and threatening people get off scott free, they get to tied up in legal stuff and nothing happens, pragmatism is only to excuse evil, its the truth, think in your own mindset the narrative of this whole nation is flawed. if this movement even tries to save one person from misery im behind it, but the nation gets behind the tea party movement who just seem to be putting in candidates who want the rich richer and the majority of Americans to suffer. FUCK THE WORLD THIS IS SHIT
Brookfield Properties calling gay man 'faggot.' Watch disturbing video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4CI3OFYB_U&feature=player_embedded
have the Occupiers made any real difference or instigated any significant changes? Or will theirs be a legacy of resentment and self imposed chaos? http://littlebiggy.org/4660547
come out and show them!
I received an email from the ACLU, because I'm on their mailing list not because I'm special or anything. They are raising awareness about this years NDAA bill, that is the National Defense Authorization Act, which has been implemented each year since 1948...hence our Military Industrial Complex. There are a couple of sections in the bill, 1031 and 1032, which offers the President of the U.S. to indefinitely imprison people in the U.S. and abroad. H.R. 1531- it has passed in the house and now has moved to the Senate floor for debate. Let your Congress people know how you feel about this legislation...that it is a death knoll to Democracy, especially in these turbulent and grossly unequal political times. I apologize in advance for the way this message can easily be perceived as authoritative.
The National Defense Authorization Act, for the fiscal year 2012 is H.R. 1540 (not 1531) and the sections you mention are:
SEC. 1031. DEFINITION OF INDIVIDUAL DETAINED AT GUANTANAMO.
In this subtitle, the term `individual detained at Guantanamo' means any individual who is located at United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on or after March 7, 2011, who-- (1) is not a citizen of the United States or a member of the Armed Forces of the United States; and (2) is in the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense.
SEC. 1032. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY TO MAKE REWARDS FOR COMBATING TERRORISM.
Section 127b of title 10, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (c)(3)(C), by striking
September 30, 2011' and insertingSeptember 30, 2014'; and (2) in subsection (f)(1), by strikingDecember' and insertingFebruary'Here is a link to the Bill : http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:4:./temp/~c112YcI9qJ::
So... given what I have just posted can you tell me where you got your information on the bill? Perhaps you got the Section numbers wrong... can you find the sections that refers to the things you mentioned?
btw, H.R.1531 is Access to Complete Education Act introduced in April this year and is still in committee as far as I could find.
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Awesome! I agree this would make a great commercial. I love you occupy, thank God I work and can donate what little I can to help the cause. It's my day off tomorrow and I will be out occupying West Palm Beach FL!!
Nice!
Would be great for an OWS commercial as well.
I hate to (be the first here to) say this, but it's hardly appropriate to compare Zuccotti Parks' events, and those of the 99% thus far to the Arab Spring.
The percentage of people staging the revolution in Tahrir Square, etc. was a large part of the population. Those people had so little, that they had little to lose. They'd been marginalized and oppressed for decades. In North America, way too many people, the real status quo, will NOT take such risks, because they have too much to lose. Once enough people in America are seriously affected, this movement could have teeth, but until then, a few hundred, or even thousand people demonstrating, with no clear action plan or demands, will likely end up affecting very little change.
MOST people are still just too apathetic and comfortable to get off the couch, or leave their job site and go out and be counted.
What percentage of the people in your city are protesting??? Not even .9%.
Sad, but true.
This will be swept into the dustbin of history just like previous attempts at American radicalism. Its just not happening. As bad as the economy is, there's still too much (or enough) opportunity and high standard of living. Nice try kids.
Actually, active participants in the arab spring only really measured out to be 10% of the population. The rest bolted their doors and shuttered their windows.
And no, you aren't the first. You're the latest in a long string of heavily mislead individuals who get a strange pleasure from concern trolling.
I actually have a good understanding of the Arab Spring, having spent time in Tahrir Sq. personally. I meant only to draw attention to the difference between the Egyptians who's oppression was acute, and their options very limited. I happily stand corrected for any misinformation on my part re: the OWS movement. I am 100% in support of this important social statement, I just feel that too many people here are too comfortable, so they aren't likely to have their voices heard, and that's a real missed opportunity for solidarity, as the current set of circumstances will adversely affect us all.
No disrespect intended, I assure you.
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Join us for a die in, in front of St. Vincent’s Hospital closed where Bill Rudin is building luxury condos from 1:00 1:30 Join us -- walk over from Washington Square Park and reunite with OWS. http://mayorbloombergkingofnewyork.blogspot.com/2011/11/speak-out-and-die-in-st-vincents.html You are peaceful. Good luck. NYPD are already in place and have been since earlier today http://nycculturepoppolitics.blogspot.com/2011/11/nypd-strong-presence-in-advance.html
and Amanda the People’s Burden mega-millionare socialite city planner green lights all zone busting deals for her fellow rich greedy ruthless pals.
We are succesful on our mission- now everyone repeat.
We still have a Plan B: http://occupywallst.org/forum/flash-protesting-an-idea-to-consider/
Watch for full Knowledge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
"I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an emperor. That's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone, if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other's happiness — not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood, for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world — millions of despairing men, women and little children — victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say — do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed — the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people and so long as men die, liberty will never perish. Soldiers! Don't give yourselves to brutes — men who despise you — enslave you — who regiment your lives — tell you what to do — what to think or what to feel! Who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men — machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate! Only the unloved hate — the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don't fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the 17th Chapter of St. Luke it is written: "the Kingdom of God is within man" — not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power — the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then, in the name of democracy, let us use that power! Let us all unite! Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give youth the future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie! They do not fulfill their promise; they never will. Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people! Now, let us fight to fulfill that promise! Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness. Soldiers! In the name of democracy, let us all unite!"
Use these words to get through what may come tomorrow
Yes! Humanism is the ism we need now! Tomorrow will be huge. The eviction will only reinforce this.
happenings at Occupy Calgary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKFcUb9gr1s
What the 99% of the protesters should do is teach the State of New York a lesson that people will never forget and always will remember. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade just too show the World how strong you really are,then people will start believing.
I'm eager to see what the Anonymous vow to retaliate amounts to.
If possible I would like everyone to chime in on SOPA the bill being considered for anti-piracy. When I read through it some how it seems to cause indirect censorship. Can we possible protest the government being able to censor sites like this. maybe some ideas how to get our thoughts through to senators and congressman.
I'd say the censorship is blatant and direct. I signed the petition at americancensorship.org. They also have a video up about SOPA.
occupyearth@internetnational.com Midtown Manhattan $100.00 per person per month. You pay a membership fee of $50.00, and your first months subscription which totals $150 to join. This includes multiple showers, toilets, several lounge, recline, study, and work tents complete with desks, seats, satellite TV, computers and phones. Also you get complete laundry service, 24 hours security on site.
You may prepare your own meals or have meals prepared by on site cook, maid service, in addition you get daily private round trip transportation to and from school, work etc. Amenities include: Your own private tent, gear and furnishings consisting of desk seats, bed, wifi Internet access, lockers, storage. Your tent will be supplied with electricity, tents and gear will be set up and disassembled by crew whenever necessary and upon your request. Call 24 hours a day (347) 949 5324
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Out-ebook/dp/B0062N35X8 This is great reading throw them all out good idea.
The ballade of the poor fisherman and the shark of L.J. Frozenbeard
He was but a fisherman, an awful poor one
He rowed at dawn to the sea in his skiff
So wrecked, so old and each day near to sink.
He sailed back to the harbour at sunset
With no fish at all in the threadbare net.
He ever came back to his old forlorn slum
With nothing to eat for his children and wife
From his youth and so on, each day of his life.
He was but a fisherman, an awful poor one.
From their fishing boat, full loaded of fish,
The other men looked at the unlucky pal,
And from their full hold they gave him small fry
And pats on his back: «You’ll lucky next days!».
He smiled every time but didn’t believe:
nets riddled with holes, should never be lucky.
So empty it still, every day of his life
dogged by misfortune: no hope of good luck
for that wretched fisherman, the awful poor one.
A day of rough sea, his boat was aground
he met an old sailor, the eldest of all
and he asked him were he had to sail to,
for casting his net and to fill it of fish.
«Bigwigs always want deepest water to swim
You have to go there to well fill your net…
Be careful my lad! You must be well smart
Offshore there’s a danger: the jaws of the shark!»
«So do I» he say to the old and wise man
He still be a fisherman, unlucky and poor
But for heaven’s sake… He will be soon no more!
Next day he sailed soon, the night dark and wet,
At dawn he was off shore: then he cast his net.
He couldn’t believe: the skiff sudden list
Nearly overturned by the net full of fishes!
He gazed in the water, shaking of silver backs
But they were so heavy and he couldn’t hoist the net.
«I yet have been lucky… Now I will be smart!»
But he was not quick and he saw the fin shark’s
For he was the fisherman, the unlucky one.
He took from the bildge a rusty harpoon
And start to move fishes from the net to the boat
But they there too many and he was alone
So the shark came close, with the open mouth.
«Stop there! Wait!» to the raider he boomed out
And he told him all of his wretched life
the hovel in the slum, his children, his wife.
The beast listen to him, scanning with his eyes dark
«I don’t care it at all, because I’m the shark:
I’m the sea master, that’s just I’ve to say:
I eat fishes and men they’re crossing my way.»
«I beg you at once: please try to understand
My family is dead if I’ll back with bare hands.
The fishes you want eat, you’ll have in a day,
For us, put in brine, will last up to may.
Please wait: we’ll be safe! Can you feel my sorrow?
Leave me all the fishes: you’ll have yours tomorrow»
The shark gazed at him and the jaws seemed to grown:
«Don’t know what ‘wait’ means, understanding is unknown:
To me they are things that I don’t care at all.
I’m the shark! I’ve the strength so I seize what I want.
I have that great power by I’ll do what I wish.
And to have power more, I will eat all your fish!»
The open deep mouth and the round eyes dark
Look alike mock at him, so he seized the sharp
rusty harpoon and he quick run it through the eye
so up to the brain till it poured its blood dark.
And so that smart fisherman, the outcast poor one:
he got all he needed, and he killed the shark.
The post about tents in Midtown is 100% BS. Googl the number and you will see: car service, apartments for rent, mansion for rent. We should all call and live messages just to shut his service down. That will teach him a lesson.
I had a friend tell me, omg they are going to shut down the subways and stop people from going to work!!! I just saw it on the news. haha...so i checked it out, since it doesnt seem to be the ows movements I know. the subway thing is from 3:00 to 4:45 (foley square at 5pm) hmmm maybe he meant going home from work. hahha i would love to see someone from ows blocking someone who is getting on a subway....so funny,
I had a friend tell me, omg they are going to shut down the subways and stop people from going to work!!! I just saw it on the news. haha...so i checked it out, since it doesnt seem to be my movements style, and its stories in subway stations from 3:00 to 4:45 (foley square at 5pm) hmmm seems the worst that can happen is someone doesnt want to here us on their way home from work
Is Obama listening to this?
No and neither is most of the 99% including past supporters of OWS.
I'm listening... actually, I can't stop listening... I'm totally absorbed in this movement. I hope something comes of this... We have to stop the wealthy from ruining this country... this world...
Please explain how the wealthy (the people who own the companies who hire the non-wealthy) are ruining our country. Facts, not party lines please.
A GLOBAL PROTEST: A Rant Addressed to People And Protesters Everywhere
When will the Occupy protesters wake up to the fact that they cannot change the world through peaceful means alone? When a group of protesters declares themselves as “peaceful” and are unwilling to elevate their cause to the next level (contrary to every other successful revolution throughout history), the game is pretty much over for them; they have essentially revealed their poker hand to the opposition. Now knowing that these protesters will never cross that border to violence, the opposition forces move forward to dismantle and destroy any organized symbols of solidarity (a.k.a. tents and encampments of the Occupy Movement).
Forgive the cliché, but in order to make a cake, you have to break a few eggs!
As we all know, the American Revolution wasn’t won by holding signs, or by shouting slogans, or being polite and peaceful. Our nation’s independence and our various liberties were won by fighting the ugliest of wars; one in which the loss of blood and life was not only expected by every American, but obligatory.
Let’s not mince words:
Since our world has been infected by these financially-corrupt groups (many of which are now controlling our respective governments), acting out against any one of them should not be considered an act of terrorism, but an act of patriotism; just as it was back when the common people of a burgeoning America rose up to defend their rights and freedoms against an oppressive British regime in order to establish a new nation.
In short, the extent of corruption infecting our globe is at epidemic proportions. If we the people – the 99% – don’t take physical action now to stop the endemic disease being brought forth by our enemies, we can pretty much say goodbye to our way of life and everything that we’ve all known to grow and love.
You see? Just like you, I’m one person out of the 99%. And just like you, I’m willing to not only think about what is happening to our world, but eager to act out in its defense and sacrifice myself by stating my views, beliefs and opinions (even though those beliefs may land me in federal prison). But if I’m willing to go to prison for YOU, shouldn’t YOU be willing to do the same for others; if only to wake them up, or to change their history in order to ensure a better world for humanity and that of their children?)
The Destructionist (a.k.a. Walter Taylor Grand Rapids, Michigan)
How do you commit terrorism against a bank? Do you think setting a teller or a loan officer on fire would make them shiver? Would even a $50 million heist frighten anyone but their insurance company? It's the same fallacy that sends Republicans out to bomb countries. All those planes flying over Iraq and Afghanistan, and the only thing they kill is people. And then warriors wonder why those people don't give their hearts and minds to us...
I don't recommend any sort of terrorism - you can't justify it by necessity or any sort of appropriateness - but I should also point out that it is not necessary to break any law or commit any act of violence to make a very powerful terrorist attack. For example, in this case, consider that OWS had $500,000 weeks ago. If they wanted, at their sole discretion, you could do some Internet research and walk into a New York police station to bail out a rapist. If you Google https://www.google.com/search?q=rapist+"bail+was+set+at" you'll see that rapist bails run as low as $500-$5000, and as high as $300,000, but many of them are $25,000 and $50,000. If supporters wanted to, they could announce that they were going to bail out a rapist every single day until the NYPD let all their protesters free. And the NYPD could do what to them? Yeah, that's right: they could smile, file their paperwork, and bring out the rapist for you.
But of course, legal or not, violent or not, terrorism really isn't what we want, as this example should make clear.
This movement was started because we realized that the direction society was taking was immoral, and not pointed in the same direction as our hearts.
By willingly harming other people, even when they attempt to harm you, you are merely redirecting the compass at a different, equally foul direction. Point true north. Be peaceful, even to your death, and that death will have vastly more meaning.
Enjoy prison.
Don't let the soap slip outta your hand.
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." - Al Gore
Are we going to share the stolen wealth tomorrow? People need the currency to buy stuff that will eliminate the need for currency. Every person.
Stolen, or simply taxed, or given back to those who it was originally stolen from?
I have two things to say to all this. 1) Cool story bro. 2) You had better not end up fucking up my twice-a-day commute into the city. I need to be on time tomorrow to my classes, and I do NOT plan on waking up earlier just to compensate for the clusterfuck you may or may not cause.
If you are wrong about this movement and you are being victimized by global players that are using you for a pawn, what is the best outcome by the time you graduate? Before you insult me with ad hominem attacks, really ask yourself that. Find this out (for your own future), how does money come into existence in today's American society? Looking at a dollar in 1950 versus today, what do you get in exchange for that dollar? The answer (and the questions that follow it) will change how you plan your future and the future of all those you love. I promise you that.
I AM ASKING YOU, FROM ONE OF THE 99%, NOT TO DO THIS TOMORROW. I LIVE DOWNTOWN AND NEED TO GET TO WORK TO GET PAID. DO NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR ME TO GO TO WORK! If you want to make a difference, hire professional lawyers and go to the Capital. Hire creative people (you can create jobs with your donations) to come up with a plan to create jobs. Leave us people trying to work that live in finance district alone! I am not a trader, just someone who wants to get to work safely.
"hire"? with what? If I were you - I would leave early to make sure I got to work if that was my goal and try to put the needs of the group ahead of my selfish needs.
Dude get over yourself! You unemployed bums are the MINORITY in this country. You useless dirty piece of shit should be ASHAMED to so much as step foot in the way of a working man. So help me God, you pull this shit in Chicago and you'll ALL be mowed down.
Selfish? For wanting to get to work on time? Your dumb. The peoPle your after take car service to the office Anyway. Try and count how many "1%'ers" you see on the subways today. Remember that they sell suits At Walmart as well, so don't let the costume of those running the rat race fool you.
I'm surprised you all have any credibility left At this point.
God Bless You
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You may hate the movement or you may support the movement. But you must Know the facts on the monetary system
1) This link explains How the money takes its birth and how it ends. http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty8.htm
2) This Link Explains the Monetary Defect. http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty9.htm
3) This Link Explains the monetary system on a whole. http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm
4) This videos explains the fractional reserve banking and the more important inflation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAjOk_UY9I
5) Quotes of the famous persons on banking system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagHbRWh6MI
6) This video explains the history of bankers and the ones who fight against the bankers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
I totally agree!! The Occupiers are only hurting the 99%. Their tactics of blocking streets, bridges and subways only prevent the 99% from making a living, while the 1% go along their merry way. Occupiers, please get some intelligent people to help you develop strategies that actually accomplish something productive. If your goal is mayhem and chaos, please look at other countries where anarchy reigns--I don't think you'd like to live there. Grow up!!! Please do some research, inform yourselves about who's really corrupt, and do the hard work of working within the system. What you are doing is easy, mostly unproductive and only hurts the "little guy".
That's the point, we have to target SPECIFICALLY those corrupt institutions and not annoy and create more bad will amongst regular New Yorkers.
Why not Occupy their phone lines?
GANGSTER CAPITALISTS
Not your ordinary office workers. And the big thieves are over on Park or at Water and Sipp.
NYSE is the floor, sure. But the transactions are done by computer, overwhelmingly, and if Occupiers think that high frequency trades have anything to do with humans then this is not your area of expertise.
NYSE could do away with the floor tomorrow. It is an anachronism.
Really.
(Plus, in near two months inhabiting Zuccotti there was no protest at 115 Broadway -- south side of Zuccotti. That's where George Anderson has his office. He's the Wall Street CEO who killed Florence Flo Cioffi back January 25, 2008. Hit-and-run DUI going 60 mph up Water Street after a Rangers game. Mr. Anderson did 16 days in Rikers and paid a $350 fine. 1%er justice. Of course, Mayor Bloomberg is probably right -- if Manhattan prosecuted Wall Street gangsters, they'd leave the City and take millions of jobs with them.)
Shame on YOU !!! That's the same mental attitude 1% always carry with the them. They know people like you & NYPD will always try to save their skins. Again i will quote "Unlike the 99% , 1% will never ...ever share their happiness with you "
Agree!!!
Dear freeusa
It seems your comment was deleted somehow and I wanted to share equal passion with you and to answer you questions that you had respond with:
Dear freeusa
Thank you for participating in your right of freedom of speech. I do agree that there are those who believe that life should be or is naturally unequal. Luckily that is an extremely small percentage :-). I have seen so many hard working individuals being laid off due to automated machinery replacing, saving corporations money yet starving out hard working individuals, lack of company money etc. Growing up I have experienced the "receiving handouts" as well "donating time/materials" to those in need. I have also experienced a "rich country" vs a "poor country" and again have donated time/material in each country on a regular bases. I have lived "hand to mouth" as well as "financial secure". I myself have worked in fields ranging from fast-food, cleaning out rent houses, landscaping, college aide, wind turbin repair, etc, while presently a life coach. At one point I did work for the government "scientifically"; unfortunately even though I did have the education required for the position, the main reason I obtained the position was because of who I knew. My experience and observations in/of "government positions" has proved to be a "who you know hiring basis". I also was a member of "Explorers Law Enforcement" group back in high school and again I got to witness first hand how those "government officials" behave and treat citizens as well as practicing illegal activities... sadly detoured me from my goal of becoming a police officer once I realized that my "Idealism" of "Protect and Serve the Citizen" was not being practiced within the confines of this governmental entity. And sadly the last year and a half years I have been sexually, verbally, psychologically and physically harassed multiple times by our "border patrol" while crossing back over after going donating material goods. I'm not sure how often you travel to a third world country, my experience has repeatedly shown that native 99%ers desire an egalitarian world. They too have crooked governmental officials (though it is more openly acknowledged), which I witnessed twice. Since I have witnesses multiple times illegal acts among government officials I realize that change happens outside of those entities that would rather maintain the status quo because strategically that is what is best for the 1%. Of course I also know this from studying history, which repeats the same patterns pertaining to revolutionary change. I recommend that you study and physically experience this for yourself, that way you prove or disprove the validity of my statements. Fear of change is usually based on the unknown and inexperienced.
Cheers xoxo
Lisa Marie Chadwick
On a side note that I think you may find interesting that was a response to another post Thankfully I understand what it is like to work physically hard as well as sitting in an air conditioned office and also can appreciate the impact of being laid off. Unfortunately the "out sourcing" you mention strategically is the smartest move in a "capitalistic society", and since it the 1% that has made the decision to negatively impact their fellow citizens (an issue for every country) by the mishandling of native resources etc. then it is up to the 99% to strategically impact the 1%'s source of power in a " capitalist society". Initially is best done through public protesting (for example: the civil rights movement, women's right to vote, the protests against the Vietnam War, US Civil War just to name a few). Let me remind you that "Bring our jobs back" has been the outcry for the past few years to only be ignored. So these protests are the next historically logical step to any societal problem that is being ignored by those who claim a seat of elite power over the masses. By impacting the 1% source of power i.e. money via closing banking accounts, reducing the amount of money put into circulation ( which really doesnt exist anyways, I recommend researching how money is fundamentally created) etc puts pressure on the 1% because there ceases to be an urgency for the 99% to do the 1%'s bidding thus influencing the survival mechanism of the 1% to do as the 99% bids i.e. Job Outsourcing Cessation etc. I believe you may like the documentary "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" on YouTube. This explain how our government has been literally making money out of thin air thus impacting the 99% economy...our lives. The video runs about 3 hours. I believe you will find this documentary of great interest. Of course I recommend that after you watch the video to research the information presented for yourself so as to prove or disprove the validity of the documentary for yourself.
I remove my comments because there are people who live in the dream world, and think they are doing a greater good except it is a circus in town. This is not about the fear of change and yes speaking of change. You like to write to me, OK then answer this: How you expect to change if the same people who cause the issues is running the office are still in the office? To the reach people of Wall Street, what do you think the fair game they can play that you think is fair to 99%? Do you know by protesting only going to pass few laws, and the same law did not serve us before what kind of the law you think can bring fair/justice to the 99%? If you look at the history a real change to the government system usually means turning over the government, hope you know that is treason in the United State and it is clearly stated in the first amendments. If the public has the right of first amendment, then why I don't see any one bear arm in New York City (The second amendment)? All of the above might not be true of anything but at the end is what OWS expect to change or accomplish by protesting, some of you only attacks on ideas of other who is the opposite side of you but never show anything tangible to your action (OWS).Meaning tangible as in actually present ideas how we can replace those who have the power to our government by enforcing the US Law like public voting. Or OWS are ready to be label as terrorist or treason and do their things? Protesting has a time limit and ways of expressing your ideas, at the end you must come back to the track that system has already lay down. I don't like Wall Street, but can you stop eating Mcd, using iPhone, smoking, drinking beer? Etc. the list goes on and on. Your detergent is own by P&G and these are some of the company who run our world and yes they are the 1% of the state. By blaming them, disrupting them is not going to help anything; we must replace the people in the government office via election. In mean time we got your message go home and stop disrupting other people’s life and wasting tax dollars including your too on the police who has to go out there to control the crowd.
Mass protests work; any movement must grow to the point where it can go to the next level. There is nothing wrong with addressing the real government. I don't think anyone expects the shadow or real gov people to change but you gotta start somewhere. OWS is opening the eyes of the sleeping masses -- who is really in control -- how much Freedom is lost ---. how the MSM lies are used to manipulate -- both political parties are owned -- and Bloomberg and others are showing just how bad the Police State of America has become. Exposing these things are important and OWS is doing all of that. It has to be done!
The shadow government likes remaining in the shadows and they are scared of The People uniting so actions like this are an important message. Unity is our strength; watch it grow!
Of course the gov-puppets have to be removed but VOTING IS RIGGED! That it is something that needs to be addressed. I suspect it will as OWS evolves... OWS will evolve!
the majority of these guys don't have jobs. don't try to reason with them.
Aren't most people at work when this happens?
good point
You think!
Two words:GAME OVER! The only thing that is happening now is that people (esp the ones arrested on Tuesday morning) are compromising their futures, I implore anybody especialy the people writing this propaganda tripe to spend a night or two in jail and then see how they talk after that experience! the good news is that there is more than one way to skin a cat, or get the message of the 99 percent out, but this wasn't it.
Yes, being arrested is not fun and standing up for what you believe in is a risk in these political times, but there is not alternative. Our country has been ravaged by monied interests who have bankrupted this nation. Ten years ago we were not at war, we were not trillions of dollars in debt..this past decade has been a mission for greedy people to steal from the U.S. citizens...and take their kids to war too. This is not acceptable.
The key word in that first statement isn't over- it's game. To you, this is just a game, but to us, this is the beginning of our last chance at saving ourselves. So yes, let us "compromise" our previously undervalued futures. Let us redefine what is valuable to us.
"Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison"
It is only human nature to hope, and to dream. It is only human nature to believe in something greater, and to pursue it. It is in our nature.
“If a plant cannot live according to its nature, it dies; and so a man.” -Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
The crowd is growing. But have you thought what you're up against? It's not just a small clique - 1 percent of the US population is more than 3 million people. If you want a visualization, I've got one for you here: http://cygielski.com/projects/onepercent/the_one_percent.html That's a hell of a lot more people than what you see at even the largest OWS protest.
OWS is obviously a group of disgruntled hicksters from middle-america who dreamed of making it rich in ceramics, puppetry, fine arts, or whatever – only to see their dreams vanquished by the current recession. And now they’re simply facing the tough reality that they've made horrible idiotic decisions in life, so they want the govt to bail them out by paying back their student loans for them since they're unemployable. Imagine going to school for something that would help you contribute to society! But no - can't be a doctor, or a scientist, an engineer, a lawyer. No, those aren't cool jobs that allow you to comment on Gawker on the internet all day and play around on facebook uploading vintage-looking photos from the party in Bushwick last weekend. Own up to your mistakes. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to take on debt for useless degrees and no one held guns to your parent’s heads and forced them to buy mcmansions in suburban CIncinnati that are now worthless. Obviously a lot of you are the offspring of parents who were unable to pay their mortgages, made poor financial decisions, etc. It makes perfect sense - the apples don't fall far from the tree out there in ol' Ohio, right? Face it, you are not the 99%! You are maybe now part of the 8% or so who comprise a great part of the unemployable permanent underclass in our society. So please leave NYC. We’re glad you were able to experience our city for a short time. We hope you had fun. Now please - go back where you came from. You're not entitled to camp out in a privately owned place where real NYers live their lives and pay taxes. 10s of thousands protesting? Really? Wow! Out of a country of 310 Million? Lets be extremely generous and say you have 50,00 protesters nationwide. Out of 350M what % is that? You are 0.00016% of our population! Will you please get a clue and walk right on over to the Port Authority – hit he road and stop looking for handouts from NYC? Thanks! Almost forgot - try that shit in the subway tomorrow - holding doors open or whatever you think will be fun and disruptive to people (the real 99%, not your pitiful backwoods 0.00016%) and you'll see how actual NYers with jobs respond to you bored out of town hicksters with nothing better to do. Try that shit in Morrisiana with the bros in the Bronx or in Gravesend with the guidos and lets see how it works for you. Oh yeah, I forgot - you've never heard of those places since you're all hicksters from middle-america who’ve only ridden the L train from Lower Manhattan to Bushwick since you came here 2 mos ago. And by the way - full disclosure - I agree with most of what you protest for. You've just managed to do it in a backwards way typical of the people who you've employed to take part in your little campout and set normal people like us back even more. And nice job censoring all the comments you don't agree with. It would be wonderful to have jerkoffs like you in power. Thank god we don't have to worry about that...
This movement could be as powerful as the Tea Party, but all of the arrests that are happening are completely ruining the credibility of this movement. Additionally, I'm sorry, but this park used to be a nice getaway for the area, but later became not only unsanitary and an eyesore, but also very intimidating to visit. I work at a non-profit organization where I have to wear a suit and tie every day, and a few times after work I would visit to check out the movement as a passive observer, I would get taunted by many of the occupiers since they believed, from what I gather, strictly from appearance that I am part of the 1%, and was not welcomed in their establishment. The whole thing was disheartening since I initially believed in the movement. Maybe this was a rare occurrence, but it has left a bad taste in my mouth since about the movement. Also, unless there is more structure to the movement, it will never receive the credibility that, unfortunately, the Tea Party received. But the shear makeup of the movement is against any kind of structure, so I can't see that happening. It will continue to be viewed as a crazy hippy movement with radical ideas and never can be taken seriously. I am guessing that tomorrow there will be hundreds of arrests, which will further deteriorate it's reputation as just a group of trouble makers opposed to patriots. I wish this wasn't the case, but I'm afraid it will be. You will be told by the police that you can't block traffic, entrances, bridges, etc, but through solidarity and adrenaline rushes, you will do it anyways, and you will be arrested for it. I hope I am wrong. After "reading the rules," I'm sure that my not so positive experience, and thus expression of this movement will violate some rule on this blog, and this comment will be removed, eliminating my ability to contribute and express free speach. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
I also hope you are wrong. I believe there is friendly fire in every war; unintentional, but still bitter.
You seem to miss the point. Getting arrested is the goal, and it has been historically proven as vastly effective. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi proved that peacefully committing a crime, and then willingly being arrested, can change history.
"Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison" -Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
H.D. Thoreau, who went to jail that year for failing to obey the law of the land, and refused to pay an unfair tax. We was a brilliant thinker and had an irrepressible optimism. How different things would be if he were alive today, living in the White House.
One of his quotes that somehow seems relevant here, and I'd like to share with protestors who are Occupying anywhere: A man's worth should be judged by the amount of things he can afford - to LIVE WITHOUT. (I'm paraphrasing a bit), but I really feel that many of the 99% could feel a much deserved sense of power and independence. They would have so much support from Thoreau and other critical thinkers of the period.
Did U2's record label provide permission to use that song?
It did. :)
"On the 17th, we’re going to burn New York City to the ground," one protester can be heard saying in video recorded after the protesters' home base, Zuccotti Park, was cleared Tuesday.
“No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s,"
Non-violent you say? Your ranks betray you.
There is a difference between peacefulness and non-violence. Non-violence basically means that the movement does not strive to be violent, but the individuals withing the movement have a right to fight back if absolutely necessary. Or, at least, that is my take on it.
I think the term "non-violent" is pretty clear. But feel free to find out what a rubber bullet feels like if you want.
Ooooh, down twinkle down twinkle
I believe the intent is to be non-violent. What individuals do is up to them, but the movement itself will not be based around violence.
Yeah, who knows who that person was...sounds like a mole.
I hate to say it but its going to take some serious violence on one side or the other to make the majority open there eyes
I've found the opposite to be true. I'm fairly sure that If at least 10% of America went on strike for a few days, questions would be asked. I'm not saying that's a good idea, but it helps prove my point.
that's the problem though, there are a lot of people out there that have nothing but derogatory things to say about occupy while all the time not knowing that they have been bought and paid for. look at history major change always comes after those in power over step there bounds and kill one or many people although terrible that's what it takes for people to stop and relies that the ones that we pay to protect us only protect us on there terms. As much as Michael Bloomberg is seen as the enemy, the 1% he is the one adding the most fuel to this fire and as much as I DO NOT want to see anyone get hurt and certainly not killed the most beneficial thing that could happen to the movement is for one of those unprovoked police officers to let a clip off into a crowd of peaceful protesters then watch your numbers grow way bigger then 10% I will reiterate this would be tragic to say the least and the last thing I'm sure any of us want to see but until its right in peoples face like that they wont relies that these people only care about one thing and that's them selves and there money.
While I agree with your statement, there have been no police-related deaths (there was a guy with a propane heater in a tent I heard...)
Anyways, my point was to be peaceful until the other party turned violent. It might come to that, but if they don't lower the playing field we shouldn't either.
Yes I agree if it turns bad it has to be because they force it in that direction, because if the protesters are the reason for the violent turn it will loose more support then it would gain.
OMG OWS is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring and gay
Evidence please?
Just like Kansas.
Screw that non-violent crap. We need some rioting, shooting, firebombing, ASAP.
that's what it will take, your founding fathers did not make your nation by sitting around peacefully. A lot of people had to die to make there vision of there perfect country come to be. I hope it doesn't get to that.